The Syndicate

Thanks so much for this game, Rob! It was tons of fun. (I was away for the weekend and missed the end, but am catching up now) It was great having BTSC with LT and Elohcin, because otherwise I would have become hopelessly confused(more so than I already was.)

Thanks to everyone who ressurected me (twice) and trusted me until the end, when everyone thought everyone had turned bad.

I will say thta I think the civvies got extremely lucky at the end, since timmer's power effectively made him unlynchable. Good thing Flyin' High had a trick up her sleeve!

Elohcin wrote:My son is asleep for his nap so I must not get to the dishes.

That is an example of off-topic, Logan.

I like dishes. Better?

Epignosis wrote:No on-topic commentary from the dead please.

That's what I've been trying to tell them!

Elohcin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I can't say anymore, Elohcin, I'm sorry. You'll have to stop asking me to comment.

I'm sorry, my questions were meant for FH. My comment was meant for you, where specifically said, "llama".

My lips are sealed.

I can't say anymore, Elohcin, I'm sorry. You'll have to stop asking me to comment.

Flyin' High wrote:Lols, I have this paranoid fear that ya'll are putting trust in me only to lynch me after BF is gone. I actually had a nightmare about this game last night and woke up at 4AM thinking about it.

This is the thought I had at 4AM this morning.

The Tale of the Archer
Epignosis wrote:“So if you ever find yourself in search of someone else, you might do well to start close to home!

“Although in my case, I wish I could lose that bloated harpy that dwells in my house!”
Before he died, llama suggested that perhaps the Archer was a reference to Bow since Bow is the only Archer in the roles. And this got me thinking, the person most "close to home" to llama is Elohcin. Maybe that was what we were supposed to get from it?

Also, Elohcin was the first to suggest the idea that the sacrifice that llama made was the loss of his civvieness, but what if she suggested that because what really happened was when llama got resurrected she lost her civvieness?

The case against blindfaeth is that he's gotten quiet. And yes, that change might be indicative of him changing alliegiance. But it could also be indicative of him being busy or just having gotten drained from such a long game.

I didn't get a chance yesterday to read back through all of Epig's host posts so I'm going to attempt to do that this morning.

I don't want to drag this lynch out, but I feel that we've come so far and it would suck for the civvies to lose now based on a bad decision.

I wish I could advise you on this matter and give my opinion of your very sensible analysis, but alas, the rules prohibit me from doing so.

I tried to tell you, but does anyone listen to me? No...

Well, my vote is for BF next, since he is refusing to vote.

Timmer, I'm sorry, I can't tell you my role, but I am just that awesome.

blindfaeth wrote:I think I trust timmer and FH and Eloh. I think FH might be onto something with llamas Rez, it happened twice after all.

It's fine that you don't trust me, but will you please cast a vote so we can move on?

Flyin' High wrote:Well, if you're telling the truth Timmer then my next best theory is it's llama and something changed when he came back from the dead the second time.

Because nothing else stands out with regards to blindfaeth or Elohcin as far as I have been able to tell from reading back.

If timmer is telling the truth, then it has to be BF unless FH is an extraordinarily good actor. I can vouch for myself, of course, and I trust Elohcin completely.

Well, after tonight we have four more chances to get them, so I guess the odds are in our favor

Elohcin wrote:
Flyin' High wrote:Elohcin, do you know have any idea about Bow's current status?

Because I may have a huge error on my spreadsheet that completely changes who I'm trusting based on this current conversation.
I believe Bow is alive. Looking in my records, I believe he is still with us. I don't think you have anything to worry about when it comes to Bow and your spreadsheet

You and your vague hints! Can't you be more outspoken and less cautious?

Flyin' High wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Flyin' High wrote: I have wondered why Princess Adora/She-Ra never appeared to be found by Bow but figured the answer for that would have to wait until postgame.
I'm not sure if we would know whether they found each other or not. At this point, we know She-Ra is dead, and Bow may well be. There are a lot of dead people without revealed roles.
If Bow is dead then I must have a huge error on my spreadsheet. You saying that actually confuses the heck out of me.

I don't know he is (I don't seem to know much of anything these days) but I just said it's a possibility.

Flyin' High wrote: I have wondered why Princess Adora/She-Ra never appeared to be found by Bow but figured the answer for that would have to wait until postgame.

I'm not sure if we would know whether they found each other or not. At this point, we know She-Ra is dead, and Bow may well be. There are a lot of dead people without revealed roles.

Flyin' High wrote:But in a way, I see Timmer as someone I've been trusting so if he's bad then it will still fit in with the Archer's tale I think (at least from my perspective).

I was just rereading the role list, and I came across this.

Epignosis wrote:Bow - Scouts for a member of The Horde each night. If he finds one, he shoots an arrow and role blocks the player. If he finds Princess Adora, he recruits her, earning BTSC. Has BTSC with Glimmer and Madame Razz.

I think the Archer's tale must be a reference to this, since Bow is the only Archer in the roles and it fits with him searching for a woman.

Well, I want to rush this as much as possible, so I am voting. If everyone votes right away, maybe we can move on. There's a only a few of us left.

TIMMER!

I think everyone else here is civvie besides timmer. I think we have to try and lynch him again or he will just continue to kill us off. If we can't kill him, then that must mean that there is still a baddie left and if he is able to redirect his lynch as before, maybe he will get the lone baddie. I don't really see any other option.

well, game's still not over, so I guess we have more killing to do. I sure don't know who, though.

Nevinera wrote: I'd almost take the *existence* of that character to imply that recruitment is roughly impossible (or at least strips powers somehow). How could the civvies win if there was an unlynchable baddie?

That is an extremely good point that I hadn't thought of before. As I have said before, I have seen no evidence to make me think there are recruits.

Elohcin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I don't think FH can be bad since she stuck up for She-Ra so heavily. Snake Mountain hasn't been NKing and the only two inactive people at the time were BF and Ishar. FH says that she thinks BF is good, so it doesn't look good for poor Nevinera today.

FH, I would remind you that we don't know the identity of Moss Man. It is possible he is still among us, and he can never be lynched. Sine he can never be lynched, I don't think it out of the realm of possibility that timmer has the same power, especially due to the cosmic nature of his role.
I don't know if it Is just me but you seem to be sticking up for Timmer an awful lot lately?

I'm not sticking up for timmer at all. I explicitly stated I wanted to lynch him. But I have become convinced that he is unlynchable, and I don't want to try for fear of him killing us all off.

I don't think FH can be bad since she stuck up for She-Ra so heavily. Snake Mountain hasn't been NKing and the only two inactive people at the time were BF and Ishar. FH says that she thinks BF is good, so it doesn't look good for poor Nevinera today.

FH, I would remind you that we don't know the identity of Moss Man. It is possible he is still among us, and he can never be lynched. Sine he can never be lynched, I don't think it out of the realm of possibility that timmer has the same power, especially due to the cosmic nature of his role.

Nevinera wrote:I've made my peace. But it would be cool if we could lynch a bad guy this time instead.

Whom do you suggest?

Epignosis wrote:Effective immediately, Nevinera has replaced Ishar Morrad Chuain.

Oh great. I was planning to lynch Ishar tomorrow, but now I feel bad.

well that is just awful.

Epignosis wrote:My IP address at work was blacklisted, so I couldn't even see the results of the poll.

Nevinera wrote: Llama and I know each other IRL, and have played thousands of various games together, including several hidden-role games like Bang! and Sabateur - we've picked up a tendency to treat each other as a threat, because we're both very good liars (though I doubt that admission will help my chances of survival).

I'm willing to suspect him of deception for things that I wouldn't credit most people with being able to pull off, because he's *very* good at playing subtle angles. But I certainly don't have an airtight case against him (even to myself), and there are some things I expect to (not) happen over the next few nights that will answer a few questions for me. Which I will then not be allowed to explain to you.. but still. At least *I'll* know :-)

Ha! Ditto. I hope this doesn't lead to getting us both killed, and then we both turn out to be civvies.

I just want to say, FH, that if you, BF or Elohcin turn out to be traitors, you deserve congratulations for a hell of a game, because I have been trusting all of you for a very long time.

Where is blindfaeth? He is being awfully quiet about all this.

Flyin' High wrote:So I went back and reread the rezz and the mention of the sacrifice is puzzling since I don't think anything ever came of that (at least not publicly).

But I also reread llama's posts since then and they really give me nothing but good feelings.

I do feel like there is something off surrounding Nevinera v. llama, but if there are no original mafia left then I feel like I'd be guessing between the two of them.

Or we need to lynch Timmer and we've all simply assumed that he was on our side.

I really want to lynch timmer. I don't think his death would prevent us from winning, so at worst we lose an ally. But I am gunshy, since every time we try to lynch him someone good dies instead. I am frankly afraid to try again, but it may turn out that we have no choice.

The main reason I flip flopped (if you insist on calling it that) is because of FH's defense of you. I trust FH pretty heavily, so her testimony gave me pause, especially since I was considering voting for Ishar anyway.

I am also a little surprised at all this talk of recruits. Do we have any real reason to believe that there are any? I haven't seen anything that makes me think there are recruits. I think it's more likely that timmer is mistaken and that there is a Snake Mountain member left.

If other people want to tip the vote over to Ishar, I am fine with that. I am far from 100% convinced about Nevinera, but I was suspecting the-untamed earlier (largely by process of elimination) and the substitution by itself is not enough to make me abandon my suspicions. I support a lynch of Ishar if you guys want to overrule my vote.

If Ishar is the last baddie, then there is not really any time pressure to lynch him, since he is not performing night kills or influencing the discussion in any way. However, if it is Nevinera, it would be dangerous to leave him alive. And since I know him in real life, I know that he is tricksy and not to be trusted. It would be a shame to lynch him if he turns out civ, but we would still have plenty of time to get Ishar afterwards even if that did happen.

timmer wrote:Nevinera seems pretty bright I wouldn't be shocked if he skipped a kill to put pressure elsewhere. The idea to lynch came pretty quick... my vote will oikeky to go Nevi. Epig wouldn't fill a civ role and leave a lone baddie role unfilled.

The more I think about it, the more I think you're right, Timmer. It wouldn't make sense to bring in a substitute this late and fill another civvie role if the only remaining baddie had been inactive all game.

Votes Nevinera

Elohcin wrote:Llama, since you came in and completely ignored my question, I will ask again...

Remember when you were ressurected and a sacrifice had to be made? Do you know what that sacrifice was? If so, what was it? Was it your civvie status that was sacrificed? Are you the recruit we are suspecting?

Sorry, didn't see your post. I have no idea what the sacrifice was. I never found out. I am not a recruit, as I think should be evident from my leading the charge against DP and other baddies recently.

Well, there was no night kill by Snake mountain. That means either they are all dead or the last one is inactive, which would make it Ishar. I say we lynch him and see what happens. I am afraid of trying to lynch timmer again, to be honest.Thoughts?

Flyin' High wrote:
Nevinera wrote:How did he get lynched at night? -.O
I have a theory that night lynches happen when the lynch is a tie. Now, how the lynch got tied is a whole other can of worms.

Maybe Timmer pulled some shenanigans and put secret votes on Aces? This isn't the first time we've tried to lynch Timmer and someone got lynched at night. Granted, the first time it happened a Snake Mountaineer got lynched (Roxy, Evil-Lyn).

That is a good theory. The other possibility(and the first thing that occurred to me) is that timmer can redirect attempted lynches of him. I really don't know who to vote for.

Flyin' High wrote:This is getting ridiculous.

I'm starting to think this whole thing is just an experiment by Rob to see how long he can drag this out before people start revolting.

I rather expected that we wouldn't be able to lynch timmer, the first time anyway. We must be able to get him somehow, though, if he ash to die for us to win. I guess we will see whether snake mountain has any kills left.

I have to work all day today. I'm pretty sure I'll be back before the poll ends, but I'm going to go ahead and vote now. For Timmer!

timmer wrote:So is there still a baddie who took a shot at thellama? Or was this triggered by the choice of story?

Come on, timmer, come clean. It was you,wasn't it?

"the red in the sky surged forward in a mighty bolt, striking him with an otherworldly fierceness."

Sounds like you to me. Stop trying to kill me, I don't like it!

Ha! Invincible, as usual.

Okay, so the way I see it, either
a) timmer's info is good and he's telling the truth about it, in which case we have to lynch an indie
b) timmer is lying about his info, in which case we should lynch him before going after remaining baddies, since he is clearly not on our side or
c) timmer has bad info, but is telling the truth as he thinks it to be, in which case we should not lynch him.
I don't know which of these I think is more likely, so I will have to think about it.

I'm voting the archer. I hate to say it, but I think maybe we have to lynch timmer tomorrow. Let's wait and see if there is a night kill, though, which may shed some light on the subject.

blindfaeth wrote: So who wants to give Nevin the 18-day summary?

I was going to try, but my records are incomplete having been killed and resurrected twice and eventually giving up on my spreadsheet.

Nevinera wrote:Hi! I'm completely new, so tell me - who can I trust around here? ;-)

Me, although I pity you having to attempt to understand this utterly insane game with 101 pages of material at so late a date..

I kind of think the Zodac(timmer) kill was Zodac acting as a proxy for a force of nature. The leviathan killed Kate, but since Zodac is basically God, he gets the credit for what nature does.

Nah, I know DP is definitely bad and it would be grossly unfair for him to be able to protect himself from lynches indefinitely, so he gets my vote again.

I am pretty sure Kate was good, so half of me wants to lynch timmer and the other half wants to go for DP again.

If we all get killed by the leviathan and DP is the only one left alive, I am going to be really, really angry.

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