The Syndicate

I never received a PM telling me I was silenced, which is why I made that post. I was only told afterwards that I shouldn't have posted.

Ironically, I wasn't resolved to try to lynch you until you made such a strong push to lynch me, which seemed to come out of nowhere as far as I could tell.

I'll second the assertion that Sorsha played very well. While I did call you out on Day 0, you had me completely convinced I was wrong a few days later. Very expertly played.

I am a bit disappointed that my Axis of Evil theory proved wholly false.

Good game everyone! I want credit for my amazing one-post detection of Sorsha, but I'll admit Made had me totally fooled. That vote for Wilgy and its timing was pure genius.

Mongoose wrote: Sorsha has been lynched. She was the Jhorts.

I was right! I called it in one post! I'm the greatest mafia hunter ever!

Mongoose wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
A Person wrote:I've never been to a water park!
You're not missing much. It's like the shower, only colder and more crowded.
I can't picture you at one! I would imagine you find them quite uncouth, to be perfectly honest.

I'm far too busy playing cribbage at my club.

A Person wrote:I've never been to a water park!

You're not missing much. It's like the shower, only colder and more crowded.

juliets wrote:Geez we still have two hours to go. I'm all wined up tonight woo hoo! so will probably asleep by that time.

Join me in a glass of port?

Mongoose wrote:Always Remember

I remember when that photo was taken of us. Happy days.

Thanks for an absolutely delightful game, Mongoose! Good luck to my surviving civvie brothers and sisters! I'm counting on you to secure this win for me.

Given that INH and Long Con both claim to have lynch immunities they MIGHT use tonight, I suggest we refrain from discussing who we intend to lynch until the next day phase. Telegraphing our next move will not end advantageously.

Less than ideal, but at least now we know about that secret role.

Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Quin wrote:My ideal way of playing has just gone down the shitter in this game. At this point I'm just being lazy.
What's your ideal way of playing?
Not being lazy. I try way too hard to fit the high poster archetype. Although that's really just not in my nature.

I love you just the way you are.

Quin wrote:My ideal way of playing has just gone down the shitter in this game. At this point I'm just being lazy.

What's your ideal way of playing?

Come on, Made. Get your head in the game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:No ties. No ties. No ties. NO TIES.

THIS. Bearing in mind that there are two vote manipulation roles.

Ten minutes to Lynch O'Clock, folks. Let's get those votes in.

juliets wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:All:

Tell me why we shouldn't lynch Elohcin.
She's not here to defend herself, which I know is an "old-school" reason not to Lynch someone but you asked.

But it's not like she hasn't had lots of opportunity to be here to defend herself. We told her she was a suspect yesterday and she asked for more time, which we gave her.

I'll be honest, I think the civvies have this game in the bag. It would displease me to see you guys waste the opportunity cost of lynching me instead of a baddie, but I expect I'll win anyway, so it's not the end of the world.

But what about my voting record screams baddie to you? I campaigned against Wilgy, and he tried to save DDL by voting me. Do you think we pre-arranged to bus each other from Day 1?

I'm excited about this lynch. This game is really shaping up to be a good'un.

Damn, I just posted almost eactly the same thing as JJJ. No wonder people think we're teammates.

Quin wrote:What's the gist of the case against Eloh 2.0?

Her vote against Wilgy was opportunistically timed, the timing and circumstances of her replacing back in are suspicious (although I am less sympathetic to this part of the case, as expounded by Epignosis) and she asked for a day to explain herself and then promptly disappeared. Her predecessor, AP, was basically an absentee.

Bad voting record. Bad participation. That combined with the process of elimination I outlined above makes me thing she is surely bad.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I believe it was Epignosis who said that Wilgy's Day 1 vote improved the outlook for llama -- I agree. Wilgy pushed llama as a suspect early in the game and voted accordingly, at the very end of the phase, in an attempt to save DDL. This looks like opportunistic suspicion upon an easy target (I think that's what llama was on Day 1 given his behavior toward Sorsha). The vote was an easy one for Wilgy to make. That reduces my tinfoil on that front.

It's Elohcin, Jimmy. I've cracked it.

Quin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I've changed my mind. I think all the remaining players should vote for Elohcin 2.0.
Why?

Juliets reminded me that I had the list of potential baddies narrowed down to Elohcin, INH, JJJ, Long Con, Quin, and Juliets herself.

I don't think more than one of the Axis of Evil is bad. I don't think Juliets is bad, because I don't think MP would have self-voted in that situation. I don't think JJ is bad, because reasons.

Ergo, Elohcin must be bad. Q.E.D.

nijuukyugou wrote:
thellama73 wrote:To Made's point, when I've made frustrated "just lynch me already" appeals in the past, I've almost always ben civ. It's something I see a lot less from baddies.

Someone has to be first, so I will place my vote on INH now. We will see if he really protected himself or not.
But wait...didn't you avoid voting for JJJ because he claimed he had an immunity? Why are you less inclined to believe INH?

INH never claimed he used his immunity today, and his morose attitude indicates he did not.

nijuukyugou wrote: You were gung-ho against JJJ in several posts up until:
thellama73 wrote: I have decided I don't want to lynch JJJ. While the objective evidence against him is very strong, my heart says he is good. He has remained so calm during all this, and I think a baddie with absentee teammates would be more on edge. His interaction analysis last phase was genuinely helpful. If he is bad, he is playing such a good game thta he deserves to live another phase.
Calling shenanigans on this. Everything about him looks bad, except your heart says he's good? JJJ doesn't play a panicked game. I've never seen the dude panic. And deserving to live another phase if he's bad?? What??

I don't buy it. He's been too helpful. It's possible he's bad, but I don't think so. Sometimes you have to trust your instincts. And haven't you ever heard of respect for a worthy foe?

nijuukyugou wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote: Care to be specific?
Okay. I've explained why I think one of your voting bloc is bad, and only one. I think the other baddie is one of the lower posters, likely Eloh 2.0 or Daisy. I think starting with one of your more active triumvirate will be more beneficial in terms of information for the civilians.

Quin has put up a spirited self-defense, and has weirded me out with calls to lynch him. I'm not usre a baddie would do this.

Long Con has been giving me generally good vibes all game and has been pretty helpful in terms of content.

You've been a wallflower since after Day 1. You characterize your playstyle as aggressive, but you seem depressed and apathetic. Even now, you seem resigned to your fate when only one vote has come in. Bitter, but not really resisting. You're not really making case son anyone. You only reluctantly came out of the woodwork to participate in the discussion when it became clear you were in danger. You make halfhearted claims about prizes. You seem unwilling to impart information to the civilian cause to be used after your death.

What reason do I have to think you're civ?
Wait, Quin has a "spirited self-defense"? I hardly call "lynch me, go ahead and do it!" a self-defense, let alone spirited. And you mentioned before that if you were in the position of the current baddies (possibly one active baddie with absentee teammates) that you would "also be apathetic and depressed" in the thread, but I don't believe that, and I don't think you really do, either (of most other people). That statement makes me think you're just digging for something against INH.

That is not the extent of Quin's self-defense, as you well know. I spent the better part of all night arguing with him, remember?

nijuukyugou wrote: Your last vote makes you look good, but your recent posts stink to me.

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Everything stinks to you, Blooper. You live in the ocean.

I've changed my mind. I think all the remaining players should vote for Elohcin 2.0.

Quin wrote:Boomslang mentions his suspicion of me in every second post yet conveniently hasn't put his money where his mouth is once in this game. If a baddie was going to keep me around and then get rid of me at LYLO, it'd be Boomslang.

It's 11 civilians to 2 baddies. Don't worry, Quin, we'll have plenty of time to lynch you LONG before Lylo.

Boomslang wrote:Hmm, so many lynch immunities claimed. Assuming they're all true, all we have to do is wait out another day before we can return to business as usual... which I'm prepared to do. On further reflection, I'm worried about the INH-LC-Quin "axis of evil." All of them, plus Wilgy, voted for llama on Day 1. Would three of those four have made that vote if they were all in fact mafia? Maybe two of them, but I doubt they'd leave themselves that open.

I want to be clear that my theory is that exactly one member of the axis of evil is a baddie, not more. Their vote records are all abysmal, so much so that I think one must be bad, but I don't think baddies would be brazen enough to vote as a bloc multiple days in a row.

insertnamehere wrote: Made, Elo, and MM all voted mere minutes before the EOD, once it was clear Wilgy was being sent packing.

If we assume that all Wilgy voters aren't innocent civilians with halos and harpsichords, those three + Llama are who I'd be looking at.

I'd like to investigate them further, if I'm, y'know, still alive.

I wouldn't spend too much time investigating MM, if I were you.

insertnamehere wrote: Care to be specific?

Okay. I've explained why I think one of your voting bloc is bad, and only one. I think the other baddie is one of the lower posters, likely Eloh 2.0 or Daisy. I think starting with one of your more active triumvirate will be more beneficial in terms of information for the civilians.

Quin has put up a spirited self-defense, and has weirded me out with calls to lynch him. I'm not usre a baddie would do this.

Long Con has been giving me generally good vibes all game and has been pretty helpful in terms of content.

You've been a wallflower since after Day 1. You characterize your playstyle as aggressive, but you seem depressed and apathetic. Even now, you seem resigned to your fate when only one vote has come in. Bitter, but not really resisting. You're not really making case son anyone. You only reluctantly came out of the woodwork to participate in the discussion when it became clear you were in danger. You make halfhearted claims about prizes. You seem unwilling to impart information to the civilian cause to be used after your death.

What reason do I have to think you're civ?

Oh, you said "and why". Sorry.

I'm sticking with my "one of the LC-Quin-INH" voting bloc is bad. I would choose Quin over LC because I think his lynch would give us more information (re: Day 2, interactions) than LC's would. Also, he has been playing in what I regard as an insane fashion and I want to know what's up with that.

Epignosis wrote:Question: If INH was off the poll, who would get your vote and why?

Quin

Sorsha wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Sorsha wrote:
thellama73 wrote:^ I find it hard to believe that INH would have asked Wilgy if he was down for a Llama lynch in thread. Being teammates, he would already know the answer to that. I feel better about INH from this ISO
Why did you say this but then keep inh on your suspect list?
Because that was a thousand years ago and much has changed since then.
It wasn't a thousand years ago, it was Tuesday night.

A few posts after that one you listed your suspicions and inh was still on it then too.

It was literally a thousand years ago.

I said I felt better about INH, but I never said I didn't suspect him at all. The empirical evidence is quite strong. At the time I made that post (which, to reiterate, was a thousand years ago I was probably least suspicious of INH out of anyone on my suspects list. Things he has said since then, and things others have said since then, and my own continuing ruminations on the state of the game now lead me to believe that he is the most likely suspect.

Sorsha wrote:
thellama73 wrote:^ I find it hard to believe that INH would have asked Wilgy if he was down for a Llama lynch in thread. Being teammates, he would already know the answer to that. I feel better about INH from this ISO
Why did you say this but then keep inh on your suspect list?

Because that was a thousand years ago and much has changed since then.

To Made's point, when I've made frustrated "just lynch me already" appeals in the past, I've almost always ben civ. It's something I see a lot less from baddies.

Someone has to be first, so I will place my vote on INH now. We will see if he really protected himself or not.

juliets wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I can believe that he won a lynch immunity given that LC is claiming the same. Either neither is lying or both are.

However, the important detail is whether it has been activated for today.
I believe I said it before. Welcome to the deathless world of Mongoose.
I'm going backwards through the thread and I have to stop here and ask what this is about. Do you really think Mongoose would have given away three Lynch immunities? That just seems, well, hardly believable. Did this happen in her other game and thats why you made this comment llama? Or did something similar happen?

Mongoose tends to not like people dying in her games. It's not impossible.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I can believe that he won a lynch immunity given that LC is claiming the same. Either neither is lying or both are.

However, the important detail is whether it has been activated for today.

I believe I said it before. Welcome to the deathless world of Mongoose.

INH is now claiming he won a lynch immunity too? Shenanigans.

insertnamehere wrote: So, I'm suspiciously overconfident when I say I think someone is bad, but I'm doing ill-advised knee-jerk flip-flops when I attempt to take a step back.

Pick one.

I don't think you've been overconfident this game at all. In fact, it's your milquetoast approach that I find most suspicious (apart from your voting record.) I'm not seeing the aggression you claim characterizes your play.

I'm tempted to replace "Supatown" in my account description with "One Slippery Camelid".

For the record, if I were in JJJ's position and bad, I would not kill LC. If I were in LC's position and bad, I would not kill JJJ. If I were neither of the and bad, I would not kill either of them. The continued thread-clogging arguments benefit the baddies regardless of what their roles are.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I've been in Quin's "lynch me now so they can't save me for LyLo" position before as a civilian -- hell I felt that way in this game. Two points:

1. I think that's a decent look for Quin. Sure, he could be employing the puppy eyes to encourage the opposite of what he's saying (survival). I rarely see baddies do things like that though.

2. Quin, I don't think we have to lynch you. If you play with ferocity, your position in this game might change. If you end up in a LyLo, it will be the job of any civilians there with you to judge you with a level head.

I agree with this. I'm leaning towards an INH lynch currently. I am not impressed with his apparent apathy. It smells like a defeated baddie who feels his team is doomed, which is probably how I would feel in his position.

Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:Was anyone silenced yesterday?
I just checked and unless it was Made or SD, I think everyone posted yesterday. I doubt those 2 were silenced.

All we assume is INH was silenced day 2, and that's it right?

And why would a silencer waste their power on Daisy, anyway?

Scotty wrote:What could it possibly mean for the overalls' strap to come undone? To be attached? And what would that do for their lynchability?

It would seem to me like the mechanic of straps coming undone haven't come into effect yet. The killing has been happening every day, so unless the strap just happens to switch places every kill, I doubt it's doing the killing. If it's not doing the killing, that must mean that there must exist a mechanic to balance that, because if there's 2 kills on mafia, that's gonna be a bitch.
There surely must be a mechanic in the *Secret* Denim Mini that can combat this, like a big shit or something.

There's so many possibilities of unstrapping the overalls that I see here without any context:
-one time lynch immunity: doing so unstraps to a side.
Now the problem with this is...if it is unstrapped to one side and they start killing every other night, what determines the switch? Another attempted lynch/kill on overalls, and they are immune again? Naw. They must have the ability to switch in fair play. Two lynch immunities is bullshit with 4 mafia members.
-an item that they receive.
The problem with this is...it's too variable. Hell, who knows when items will become available during this game. Afaik there's only been one item giveaway. But even then, what "item" unstraps overalls? "HANDS"? Naw.
-the death of x number of mafia teammates
This one could make sense...with 2 down, maybe overalls are slightly hampered.
-a timing thing
Since we have lynch immunity for a civ role until the end of the 5th cycle, mayyyybe this also activates the Overalls as an SK? Or maybe the Jean Genie becomes the SK? The game is already 12 civs + 4 mafia + 1 Jean Genie. We don't know shit about the Jean Genie...
-the player controlling the Jean Genie votes for Overalls.
Thus granting some sort of hillbilly wish. I dunno. We were told the sock couldn't vote in the poll, but there are definitely more players than there are roles, so who knows.

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How bout this tinfoil tho:
The Jean Genie is actually the Denim Mini's secret, and the Overalls are split into 2 people. Those 2 people are essentially blind in the mafia and don't have BTSC, but are searching for each other all game. If they find each other, they'll be essentially merged into their own team with btSC. And if one member dies, the other gains ability to kill every other night. And Vis versa. 12 v 3 v 2 seems relatively balanced, right?

I come to this tinfoil because the Jean Genie hasn't utilized the sock to give us any information or provide a use for civs. It essentially looks like a role mechanic that can talk to the thread in general privacy instead of making the host post on its behalf. It just has nothing to say because it doesn't know shit.

I think the extra player is not on our side, and so you if think a player looks like a hanging chad indie in the civ voting bloc, then maybe that player should be lynched instead.

That's my tinfoil for the day. Now time to go do a shit ton of interviews. Kill me.

I considered that maybe the first time we try to lynch the overalls, a strap would come undone (meaning we'd have to lynch them three times) but that seems overpowered, and thre have been consecutive night kills, so it wouldn't explain Quin's survival.

Long Con wrote:
What do you think of the misgivings about you presented by other players on the game roster?
Voting records, interpretations of Wilgy interactions... nothing that really blows my skirt up. I do think it's weird that INH, Quin and I have been like a voting block. I think the idea that there's a baddie in there feels right... and it's funny how the order in which our votes came in rotates across the three days: INH, LC, Quin... then Quin, INH, LC.... then LC, INH, Quin. Almost perfect rotation, but Quin was never second, and INH was never last. I took a turn in all three positions, and each of us got a turn at going first.

And sorry about rebutting your exercise old chum - get a few drinks in me, and I just want to argue.

If you agree that there's probably a baddie in the voting bloc, do you think it's more likely to be INH or Quin?

Long Con wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I still think our triple lettered friend is bluffing.

Even if he won a one-time lynch immunity, I doubt he'd use it today.

I can definitely see him using it tomorrow, though. That's partly why I want him out today.

I also don't understand the Wilgy case.
INH, this is really the post that was marking you as "There - there's the way a teammate would try to salvage this for his teammate without outright defending him."

I agree that this post does make INH look pretty bad. How could he not understand the Wilgy case, as it was based mainly on his late vote on a counterwagon that would have saved a baddie's life if it had succeeded?

I'm eliminating Eloh and SD from my "willing to lynch" list today, and here's why.

INH, LC, and Quin all have terrible voting records and other reasons to suspect them. They have all voted with each other on every lynch. I do not believe that the two remaining baddies would have voted together on every lynch, so I believe that one, but not more than one, of them is bad.

If we find the bad one, I would be willing to eliminate the other two from my suspicions and look elsewhere. That would be enormously helpful information. Now the question is, which one?

You;re right, it does feel a lot like June 1960 in here.

Epignosis wrote:I still think Eloh subbed in for Mafia. Sorry dear- nothing you can say will change my mind. It's circumstantial.

I certainly have my suspicions there as well, but the sticking point for me is her stated preference for voting Wilgy, followed through with a vote, albeit a late one. It's possible tha she would have done this as his teammate, but I think it's less likely than the other candidates.

Let me ask you this, Epi. If Eloh indeed is bad, who would you suspect of being her last teammate?

RIP MM.

I'm still torn on who I want to lynch today. I keep WIFOMing myself like crazy with Quin. "No civvie could be playing this ay, but no baddie would possibly choose to play this way either!" Round and round we go. In some ways, I think a Quin lynch would give us the most information, as there has been a lot of interaction, and it would shed light on the Day 2 lynch vote. But I am open to Long Con, INH, or even Spacedaisy.

I have decided I don't want to lynch JJJ. While the objective evidence against him is very strong, my heart says he is good. He has remained so calm during all this, and I think a baddie with absentee teammates would be more on edge. His interaction analysis last phase was genuinely helpful. If he is bad, he is playing such a good game thta he deserves to live another phase.

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