The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I asked the hosts a bunch of questions about the state of the game and the Hatch. I got a lot of ambiguous answers. I don't think the hosts know what's going on at all or what they're doing.

Maybe the spirit is confusing them.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Donna Meagle wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:@Donna, I didn't realize what you were asking. But the spirit of the vote is still there, whether it counted or not.

Let's see Jay hack my computer and delete my spreadsheets.
So a spirit would determine whether there is a tie or not?
No, I mean that it's the thought that counts. Whether the vote counts or not, it was placed on Soneji.

I do not mean that there is a spirit that breaks ties.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?
Not really, no. But if we want to avoid the risk of it influencing lynches later on, we should try to avoid such tight polls.

Agreed.

Does it matter whether the Cheerleader's vote counted?

I feel confident in saying that I don't think Cheerleader is our friend.

I am hopeless at trying to figure out who's behind sock accounts, so I don't bother trying.

Damn, sorry Sonaji. I really thought I was onto something there.

Very glad to have Golden back among us, though.

Oh, hi Boom!

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Alternatively, is it possible Golden is faking being silenced?
I think he's a civ, so:shrug:

I lost internet for a few hours, catch up time.

I do too, but civs have been known to fake these things "for the lulz". Golden is not that type of player though.

juliets wrote:I've thought about a role that has choices of what they want to do each night and maybe they picked silencing and then maybe there is a silencer role as well but Epi had a role that allowed him to choose among abilities and I don't know that there would be two such roles in one game. Gosh that was a long sentence. I also thought about a mimic but then again, why hasn't Boom voted?

I have been in games with role abilities thta both silence and prevent voting, but it seems unlikely to be paired with another silencer role.

Alternatively, is it possible Golden is faking being silenced?

Is it possible Boom is faking being silenced? But then why would he do that?

bea wrote:To be fair llama, I didnt interact with you yesterday either. Pretty hard to interact with anyone through the 10 pages of chatter i was passed out during.

I know. That's why I'd rather lynch Soneji today and revisit you once I have more content to analyze.

Made wrote: before I forgot, this isn't true. Surprised llama didn't point this out actually because he's the one i'm quoting.
According to a post from night one he made,
the players who mac talked to that day or quoted by name that day were Golden, priz, Wilgy, DH, Boom, Quin, Sig, Epi, MM, llama, juliets, me, LC, BR, John Coltrane, and Sorsha. The players who talked about or quoted mac by name were Priz, Quin, Epi, Mm, llama, juliets, Professor, BR, LC, Myself, Wilgy, Golden, Scotty, Sig, DH, Boom, John Colltrane, Sorsha, and Lorab

The players who neither talked about nor talk to him bea. bwt, Soneji, Floyd, and timmer

Source: this happened to be on the one page i had open in another tab.

Thanks for digging up that list, Made. I needed a refresher on it. The fact that Bea was on the "no interaction" list is one of the reasons I am more willing to lynch her than I am Boomslang, for example. Until now I have been giving her the benefit of the doubt because of her illness, but my patience for non-contributors is running out.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:I think there is enough content in this thread alone for everyone to have something to say about something.
We've got a few substantial cases against the likes of Soneji and Made. What do people think of these?
Myself and Scotty have also received a bit of scrutiny.
There's been a good deal of chatter about lynching a low poster (Bea seems to be the preferred choice). What does everyone think of this? We've got plenty of time to work out a good lynch, but that requires us not sitting on our hands.

You know what I think about Soneji. I have yet to be convinced by the case on Made. I guess I'm not seeing what others are seeing. I have a blind spot for Scotty. I always tend to think he's bad based on tone, so I don't especially suspect him here, and as I said in the other thread, I think you would be nuts if you were Mac's teammate (assuming only one baddie team, that clears you, but I don't know if I'm ready to make that assumption).

My GTH read of Bea was thta she could be bad, and I wouldn't object to lynching her. However, I do not think she would lie about being sick to excuse her inactivity.

Soneji wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Soneji wrote:Do you think that I specifically forget to mention my teammates as mafia, Llama?
Yeah.
Would you like to display your research to the class?

Nah.

Soneji wrote:Do you think that I specifically forget to mention my teammates as mafia, Llama?

Yeah.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Is there more to the Soneji case than his denouncement of meta-analysis? Because I can't vote for him if that's it.

There's a little more to it. I initially noticed Soneji for his avoidance of mentioning Macdougall, even when he was the central topic of discussion. The meta comment combined with that observation to form my suspicion, as I think baddies often forget to talk about one another.

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I notice a pile of votes on Boomslang. Can someone refresh me on that case? Is it just because he's absent?
While I was on break did you moderate your general "Death to Low Posters" stance?

I'm not as gung ho about it as I used to be, partly because I've lately been having some pretty good success with vote and interaction analysis, which you can;t really do with no shows.

I notice a pile of votes on Boomslang. Can someone refresh me on that case? Is it just because he's absent?

juliets wrote:I understand what you're saying now MM, thanks.

llama, hate to keep pushing on the cheerleader but I'm just trying to understand. Why did you rate him/her as GTH bad if the game is kind of hazy for you?

I actually think the Cheerleader is probably neither bad nor good, but in a GTH read you can't sit on the fence, and I distrust mysterious and enigmatic accounts who can apparently vote to lynch us, even though we know nothing about them.

juliets wrote:Gahhh! Booms was here but didn't defend himself or add anything to the discussion. I don't know how to read that. If he was bad wouldn't he have said something?

Llama same question I had for MM last night - can you talk about the cheerleader? I didn't play that game so I have no idea how to rate him/her.

My memory of that game is extremely hazy. I don't think I ever fully understood how the process worked or what it did. I fear I have no insight to offer you on this point.

S~V~S wrote: So if I die before Day 3 does that mean you killed me?

I have no power to kill you, nor would I wish to even if I had such a power.

I see people were doing GTH reads, and I don't want to be left out.

bea - BAD. Has she contributed anything yet?
Boomslang - GOOD
Cheerleader - BAD
Donna Meagle - BAD
Golden - GOOD
John Coltrane - BAD
juliets - GOOD
Made - GOOD
Metalmarsh - GOOD
thellama73 - SUPATOWN
Scotty - GOOD
Soneji - BAD
SVS - ALWAYS GOOD UNTIL DAY 3

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?
I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.
Does it make a difference to you that Soneji voted for sig on Day 1?

Linki: I'll read you later.

It's something I've considered. It could be read a couple of different ways. Until I know the alignment of at least one of them for sure, though, there's a limit to the analysis I can do on that.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:Llama: what, if anything, can you tell me about Donna's interactions with Macdougall?

I don't really remember. I think it was minimal, towards the end of the day. I don't remember her being on my "no interactions" list.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Because you guys are following Golden's vote around, you being the primary one.

Question to everyone on the beach: who would you lynch if everyone was on the poll and not just the Sand-Surfers?

I'd probably still go with Sig, but I'm increasingly comfortable with my vote for Soneji.

I'm putting my vote on Soneji for now. I might move it later, but I remain unconvinced by his posts.

Soneji wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Soneji wrote: Meta is a crutch as it means you can't catch said person in any kind of slip or make a convincing case that their behavior is scummy on its own. It is a tool that can be used to scumhunt but I'd never rely on it.
You would agree that it was successful in this instance though, yes?
Since Mac flipped mafia then yes. You didn't see me defend Mac did you? That was due to me recognizing it as a tool those people felt like using and not being familiar enough with Mac, I had no basis to agree or disagree with their assessments on his meta.

I didn't see you mention Mac at all, and I didn't see him mention you. Given the amount of discussion around him, that alone has me worried.

Soneji wrote: Meta is a crutch as it means you can't catch said person in any kind of slip or make a convincing case that their behavior is scummy on its own. It is a tool that can be used to scumhunt but I'd never rely on it.

You would agree that it was successful in this instance though, yes?

The cheerleader is somewhat less helpful and considerably less frolicsome than I would have liked.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Coltrane has given no one any reason to trust him. I don't have a specific ping about him like I do against Soneji, but he definitely has work to do if he wants to stick around. I'd say the same for Donna Meagle, who appears to not be trying at all.
Thing is, I'm 99% confident I know who John Coltrane is, and he's been lynched recently for this exact kind of behavior, only to flip civilian.

I don't intend to defend him, I just wanted to say that.

Would you like to share who you think he is? It will be easier to discuss in plain language rather than nudge-nudge-wink-wink innuendo.

juliets wrote:Interesting - Donna Meagle is not on the poll unless I'm just looking at it wrong. I wonder if that has to do with the thing about Pisces not having anything to worry about today.

Pisces is a water sign, along with Cancer, and Scorpio.

I am a fire sign, and tend to get along best with other fire signs. Maybe that's why I am not liking Meagle's game.

Coltrane has given no one any reason to trust him. I don't have a specific ping about him like I do against Soneji, but he definitely has work to do if he wants to stick around. I'd say the same for Donna Meagle, who appears to not be trying at all.

Donna Meagle wrote:I want to lynch sig.

And people in hell want ice water. Any thoughts on people in this thread?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:One of my observations that prisoner didn't see was that Soneji was posting, but never mentioned Mac and was never mentioned by Mac, one of the only active players where that was the case. One of Soneji's relvevent posts described relying on meta analysis as "a crutch." Meta analysis is what did Mac in.

As of this moment, I think Soneji looks the most like a bad guy of anyone here.

To answer Made's question, I bet it will either be Sig or Wilgy.
How much did Soneji post? It was somewhere around an 8-hour window between when Mac's name came up and the day ended. Did Soneji post in that timeframe?

Your crutch point reminds me of that post and tells me that he did post in that window. I do wish we could view the Day 1 thread though. This is most unfortunate.

I believe that post was after Mac had taken some suspicion. He didn't post a lot, but I did see several on topic posts from him. I can't remember perfectly, but it stood out to me.

One of my observations that prisoner didn't see was that Soneji was posting, but never mentioned Mac and was never mentioned by Mac, one of the only active players where that was the case. One of Soneji's relvevent posts described relying on meta analysis as "a crutch." Meta analysis is what did Mac in.

As of this moment, I think Soneji looks the most like a bad guy of anyone here.

To answer Made's question, I bet it will either be Sig or Wilgy.

Prisoner 27385 wrote:I missed whatever was being discussed over the last 5 hours or so in the main thread. What's relevant?

Did you see my summary of all Macdougall's interactions?

Cheerleaders on the beach? I feel like I made the right decision coming here.

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