The Syndicate

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:We killed all the womens, because we are sexist pigs.

Actually, we didn't realize we had done it until someone pointed it out in thread.

Yes, I must say I noticed that right away.

We don't see gender. We view all people as equals.

We killed all the womens, because we are sexist pigs.

Actually, we didn't realize we had done it until someone pointed it out in thread.

What's Lost?

The mix up actually was genuine. Before the game started, I complained to G-Man that my two teammates were people I didn't know and had never played with before. I even threatened not to go into the chat and just play as an indy. When I started playing, I honestly couldn't remember which of them was which. I was worried thta mistake screwed me, but it turned out to be an advantage. So yay me.

juliets wrote:llama draws bad two games in a row - he's going to get a reputation

Oh, I've already got a reputation.

I was equally surprised by the SVS lynch, but pleased.

A big thanks to my team for pulling out a last minute victory! It was down to the wire. If we had picked the wrong nightkill today, it would have been over.

Great game, GMan, and great game everyone else!~

Long Con wrote:

G-Man wrote:Current (not including Night 6 Poll) Hillary Points Standings:

+19 Points: notsawyer540, S~V~S
+16 Points: Marmot, thellama73
+15 Points: Long Con
+14 Points: DFarady
+13.5 Points: Epignosis
+13 Points: DrWilgy
+12 Points: MacDougall, TheFloyd73
+11 Points: Jackofhearts2005
+9 Points: FZ., Scotty
+7 Points: Elohcin
+6 Points: Quin

Would anyone be opposed to me ending the night phase at 3:30 (aka the PM submission deadline)? My end-of-work-day might involve a meeting and I'd rather post an hour earlier than usual than a few hours later than usual.

End it as soon as all PMs are in. No reason to prolong this.

Yeah, I agree.

notsawyer540 wrote:But for all we know, the lynch could've been civ/civ again.

It was.

I voted no on the poll, because redistribution of points is theft.

For the record, I think the two remaining baddies are Notsawyer and Wilgy.

I'm sorry, DFaraday. I was put in a position where I had to lynch you if I wanted to stay alive. I never really thought you were bad, but I hoped I was wrong.

DrWilgy wrote:

thellama73 wrote:You have chosen wisely, Sawyer. Well done.

Why is this post ominous?

Because it reminds you of the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade, which is an ominous scene.

You have chosen wisely, Sawyer. Well done.

Think about the case against me while you're out there. There is none. Epi voted for me because I didn't gun for you hard enough today. Long Con voted for me because reasons. I've been actively baddie hunting this entire game. It sucks to get offed so late in the game when you've put so much effort into it.

Right, so here's the situation I'm in. If I vote for Sawyer, he will vote for me, I will die and the civilians will lose.
If I vote for Wilgy, Epi, or LC, at best Sawyer's vote will tie things up and there will be no lynch, but more likely he will vote for me, I will die, and the civs will lose.
That means I have to vote for Faraday and hope two things. 1. That Faraday is bad, and 2. that Sawyer breaks the tie in my favor.

I am not at all convinced that Faraday is bad, but I know I am not, so it's my only option.

Sawyer, I know we have had a contentious game, but I swear to you I am not the droids you are looking for. Do the right thing.

I would like to lynch either Sawyer or Long Con today. Will anyone join me on those votes? As much as I dislike the idea, it appears as if I will have to build a coalition if I am going to survive and save the game for the civvies.

Epignosis wrote:I am convinced thellama73 is bad. He campaigned hard for notsawyer, but now? Nothing. He's going after Long Con. He isn't genuine in his opinions.

I haven't stopped suspecting notsawyer. I have been exploring other options because today is so crucial and I wanted to avoid tunneling. I fear you have been overly rash, but okay.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?

Is it like you to confuse two completely different people with very different avatars and names, and one of those happens to be bad?

When they are people I haven't played with before, yeah it kind of is like me. It takes me a while to learn new people.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?

Blah blah blah so unlike LC blah.

This is baddie Llama gently nibbling low hanging fruit.

You don't believe that. You haven't believed it all game.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

Because I'm letting you drive. I drive into the ditch when I take the wheel.

Because Epi has been so successful at driving us towards SVS, Marmot, and Quin?

This kind of thing irks me.

You speak as though people aren't responsible for their own votes and that I shoulder that responsibility.

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I don't blame you for those lynches. I just think "letting you drive" is stupid given your success rate this game.

That's fallacious thinking too. Even if I were right two out of three times wouldn't guarantee any degree of success in future lynches.

It wouldn't guarantee it, but neither is your probability of success random or completely independent of previous decisions.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

Because I'm letting you drive. I drive into the ditch when I take the wheel.

Because Epi has been so successful at driving us towards SVS, Marmot, and Quin?

This kind of thing irks me.

You speak as though people aren't responsible for their own votes and that I shoulder that responsibility.

Oh no, don't get me wrong. I don't blame you for those lynches. I just think "letting you drive" is stupid given your success rate this game.

I do not like this passive LC. It is unlike him. Since when does he let other people drive?

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Why did you wait until I said anything about him to express this?

Because I'm letting you drive. I drive into the ditch when I take the wheel.

Because Epi has been so successful at driving us towards SVS, Marmot, and Quin?

Long Con wrote:Llama is very likely bad. Just through POE if nothing else, if Epi is good. A suspect of mine since way back.

Didn't hesitate to grab that straw, did you, Drowning Man?

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:You know who has had like zero suspicion against him the entire time?

llama.

Let's talk about him.

What do you want to know?

Are you bad?

I'm not.

Epignosis wrote:You know who has had like zero suspicion against him the entire time?

llama.

Let's talk about him.

What do you want to know?

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:The thing thta has me spooked about LC is his "have pity on me, I'm confused" moment. That seemed really out of character to me, as I'm used to him being confident. I have a hard time buying that it was sincere.

I have a hard time buying that your face is sincere.

The thing thta has me spooked about LC is his "have pity on me, I'm confused" moment. That seemed really out of character to me, as I'm used to him being confident. I have a hard time buying that it was sincere.

I'd like to discuss Wilgy as an option for today. He's been quietly smug the last few rounds, with his comments like "oh a tie, neat." and so forth. No one has really been looking at him, and I wonder if he hasn't started to get quite confident in his chances. I'll be doing a thorough reread of him before voting.

DFaraday wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Neat, 2v4. LC and DF are the remaining baddoes and votes are final.

Mislynch causes a 2v2... Is that game over or a 50/50?

You've been saying I'm baddie all game. Why?

I would like an answer to this as well.

RIP MacDougall. I'll have to think carefully about my vote today. It seems this one really counts.

I definitely don't think "Epignosis is always civilian." He's mafia a lot. But he sucks at it and I can always spot him, so I don't think he's mafia this time.

Marmot wrote:But you know, why don't you just vote the player you actually think is scum instead of plotting vote maneuverability?

That's what I'm doing. You're welcome.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Long Con wrote:Marmot cannot vote DFaraday, because that would force DFaraday to switch to Marmot, resulting in Marmot's lynch. Marmot is forced to vote notsawyer.

True, but if Metalmarsh votes DFaraday and DFaraday votes Metalmarsh, that still leaves me with a spare vote. Oh the power.

What would you do with your power?

That all depends, but I certainly don't want a tie. No lynch only benefits the mafia at this point.

Long Con wrote:Marmot cannot vote DFaraday, because that would force DFaraday to switch to Marmot, resulting in Marmot's lynch. Marmot is forced to vote notsawyer.

True, but if Metalmarsh votes DFaraday and DFaraday votes Metalmarsh, that still leaves me with a spare vote. Oh the power.

G-Man wrote:

thellama73 wrote:@HOST - Is the Vote Weighting executive order still in effect, or do we have to worry about ties?

Read the night post again.

Again?

@HOST - Is the Vote Weighting executive order still in effect, or do we have to worry about ties?

I have heard "DFaraday is bad" for a long time now, but am confused about why. Can someone refresh me on the case?

DrWilgy wrote:Anyone still wanna lynch Sawyer?

Yep.

I will say, I'm having trouble buying the "oh, I'm so confused" defense from LC. He's one of the most confident and capable mafia players I know. This doesn't seem like him. It seems like a ploy.

Wow, this is the most uncertain and vulnerable I have ever heard Long Con. It's kind of endearing, but I don't know what to make of it.

That's sorta basic and predictable, Long Con. I expect better of you.

notsawyer540 wrote: llama - Still going along with Quin's idea that I'm bad because of one post I made on the first day. I find llama's piggybacking on this all the way into Day 5 to be pretty suspicious. Let's not forget too that llama was the penultimate person to vote to save me yesterday. Why save me and then immediately turn around and vote for me the next day? Definitely high on my suspects list.

Wanton and deliberate misrepresentation. I never piggybacked on Quin's suspicion of you. I am barely even aware of Quin having a suspicion of you. My suspicion of you is my own, and you misrepresenting it doesn't make you look better.

Marmot wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Marmot wrote:What will a curfew entail?

Typical executive order. Sloppily drafted. Overly vague.

It's not dated properly either (unless it was written yesterday).

Also, apparently the author thinks Rodham is Hillary's middle name, instead of her maiden name.

Marmot wrote:What will a curfew entail?

Typical executive order. Sloppily drafted. Overly vague.

I'm posting this for the sole purpose of soliciting Hillary Points.

Marmot wrote:

thellama73 wrote:<snip>

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.

<snip>

My qualm with this behavior: Epignosis wanted to keep jack alive for the purpose of observing his behavior and hunting for baddies based on that. But the problem is, Epignosis did none of that, and even promoted the opposite when Quin promoted the idea of lynching him.

I don't think Epi's reasoning for keeping Jack alive was to observe him. As I recall, he always advocated ignoring him. He just thought lynching him was a waste of a day, since we already knew his role. At least that was my understanding.

So here's the thing about Epi. A lot of his gameplay doesn't make sense to me.

Why did he argue so hard to prevent Jack from being lynched?
Why has he defended Sawyer so hard?
Why have his accusations of other players been so scattershot? I'm pretty sure at this point he has gone after everybody.

I have a hard time believing that Epi, even at his ballsiest, would stick his neck out so far to defend an outed teammate. Then again, if anyone would, he would. Either way, it's bizarre behavior.
I think the answer to the third question is fishing for reactions, which is something I associate with civvies more than baddies.

It has been pointed out thta odd behavior des not necessarily mean baddie behavior, and while I would certainly call Epi's behavior this game odd, I do not believe that he is bad.

I'll say one thing for Epi. He keeps his word.

Epignosis wrote:

Quin wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Quin missed my original point and misinterpreted my question. Hence we are talking in circles.

Placeholder vote on Quin. I don't think my original point was that obscure.

You had the chance to reiterate your point. Why didn't you take it, and instead choose to believe that I'm (assumedly purposefully) misinterpreting your question?

I'm not putting up with Quin getting into bullshit arguments with S~V~S. I will lynch both of you if this happens.

The last thing about Metalmarsh; his suspicion of Epi.

I don't quite know what to make of this. The very first suspicion MM posted was of Epi for not playing hard enough. Then he flopped back and forth between civ and bad Epi for another couple of days before solidifying on Day 3. I asked him to explain his suspicion and he said it was "infoil" and refused to elaborate. After Quin's death, he's been more insistent still. As noted above, he also said " I woulda killed Epi night 1" which indicates a love of WIFOM as well as a desire to get Epi out of the game.

So basically, MM has wanted Epi gone with increasing intensity since Day 1.

Why?

Could be a genuine suspicion. And MM said all his suspicions are genuine, but the flopping back and forth seems odd in that case, as well as his brief attempt to partner with Epi to lynch me yesterday.

Could be a fear of being caught by Epi. As someone who has been caught by Epi many times, I can relate to that. But in that case why not just kill him at night? I have to mull.

Going to read Skeletor now.