The Syndicate

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Ricochet wrote:That was very easy for me to keep track off. :P Who killed you, on the other hand...
Epig killed me, and apparently BR was his BTSC partner at the time.

I can has banner?

Ricochet wrote:I asked for advice on how to save and upload selections of Excel sheets in a better format that I already did i.e. screenshot images. Glad to clarify that for you the second time, as always.

Please give it a rest. This is hateful and not productive.

I am just happy three of our original four Donner's won. I think it took some skill to make that happen, regardless of what Rico says.

Oh wait, SNowman did win. Yay! Too bad about MM though.

I can't believe you betrayed our pact yesterday, SVS! Oh well, we still won. Not Snowman, though!

Thanks for the game, Roxy! Sorry you are having a tough time.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I'm voting llama i know I'm civ and he keeps pushing my lynch which makes me think he is bad.

Well, full disclosure, I was bad last round and now I'm civ, which means you must now be bad, Bass.

S~V~S wrote:I have to vote for you llama. I trust bass.

And you don't trust me?

Roxy wrote:Lynch ends in a little over 3 hours.

If you don't vote the randomizer will.

I guess I'll vote Bass then.

I knew I should have gone with Bass.

S~V~S wrote:It's after midnight, I am turning into a pumpkin. I don't like pumpkins, and i don't want to be one. Night

Good night, old friend.

S~V~S wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:What about Snowman?
I don't think SNowman is bad in much the same way that you don't think Bass is bad.
OK, so if you switch to Ty, i will switch to Ty?

It appears you leave me little choice.

*votes ty*

S~V~S wrote:What about Snowman?

I don't think SNowman is bad in much the same way that you don't think Bass is bad.

S~V~S wrote:It isn't Bass, and you won't talk about Ty or Snowman.

I just asked to talk about Ty three posts ago, and you responded to it by voting for me.

Has anyone given a reason for why they think I am bad?

Black Rock wrote:Seriously?

I am always serious.

S~V~S wrote:I have to agree. I don't particularly want to vote for you, Llama. But I don't want to vote for a civvie either, and I think Bass may be one, based on something he said.

I don't see any way Bass culd be a civvie, but I guess it's possible I miscalculated. Do you still think it could be Ty?

S~V~S wrote:Russ? Do you mean LC?

And who do you plan on voting for? Llama did not even attempt to discuss it with us, although I asked him to do so, he just voted. I would like to know who YOU think is bad at this point.

I know who I think is NOT bad. So I have a limited pool; you two are in it.

I'm open to discussion. Votes are changeable, after all. But process of elimination means Bass has to be bad.

Snowman wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Snowman did swoop in and save Ty at the last sec, din't he?
When did I do that?

the last lynch vote. don't deny it.

I'm voting for him too, btw.

I am still civ, yes. which means that Bass has to be bad.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:Llama why would you have bee ok with voting me? Did I miss your reasons?

You might have. It had something to do with mercy.

LC, I didn't screencap them, but I saw that Snowman placed a last minute vote on you, so you had three versus Ty's 2 votes, if that's what you're wondering.

Nailed it. BIH Long Con.

Long Con wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Zomberella12 wrote:I think I'm starting to see how this game is different than normal mafia. The BTSC is usually only a mafia power so people are hesitant to "defend" each other.

So this round I do have BTSC but the other member of my civ group is functionally non existent, so I'm not gonna get any endorsements this round. I did want to lunch Ty, but now I'm leaning more toward Snowman. He just posts so little and I can never get a read on him. LC, all your posts sound suspicious to me so I doubt know if you ate bad or if I'm biased.
Personally, I think it would be smarter of you to lunch Long Con. Unless of course you are bad this round.
Unless YOU are bad this round, your vote should be going to Bass. I don't believe what he says about being alone on a Civvie team.

I've always been open to a Bass vote, but too many others are not willing to let it happen due to his RL circumstances. By process of elimination, I feel pretty good about my vote for you.

Zomberella12 wrote:Whatever. Voting Long Con. Llama, you better not be messing with me.

I assure you, I'm not.

Zomberella12 wrote:I think I'm starting to see how this game is different than normal mafia. The BTSC is usually only a mafia power so people are hesitant to "defend" each other.

So this round I do have BTSC but the other member of my civ group is functionally non existent, so I'm not gonna get any endorsements this round. I did want to lunch Ty, but now I'm leaning more toward Snowman. He just posts so little and I can never get a read on him. LC, all your posts sound suspicious to me so I doubt know if you ate bad or if I'm biased.

Personally, I think it would be smarter of you to lunch Long Con. Unless of course you are bad this round.

Thanks Bass. That makes me feel better about my vote.

I haven't had btsc with LC either. I think based on what SVS and Zombrella have said, combined with what I know about my past teammates, we have a good chance of getting a baddie with him through process of elimination. Voting Long Con now.

Snowman wrote: The only danger involving Snowman...is the danger of falling in love with him.

You were bad?! Wait, I thought they said that if you started out bad you stayed bad. I know SVS didn't start out bad, you were good, then bad, then good again? I thought when people started to die off this crazy game would begin to make sense. If the baddies are converting, then I honestly have no idea who's legit. I've been sticking up for former BTSC chums,

Great, I'll probably go bad on the last round, sounds about right.

Really don't have a good idea of who I should vote for. Open to suggestions. If Ty has support, and Bass is off limits, who's the prime suspect?

If you turn bad on the last round, you'll win.

S~V~S wrote:Well, I am going to go out on a limb and say I was bad yesterday, not last night, the night before. I am not bad now. I do know that there is a civ out there without a safety net, though. So I worry about that.

I have a few people off the table, you appear to as well. Bass is with his Mom & family, I am not going to lynch him while he is in this situation.

LOL, linki, you are so right I was still bad right before the switch (2 switches ago, or 1.5 switches?) when she begged the baddies to kill her, and I wanted no part of that. Then there was a rotation.

I say no to all three of those, though. It COULD have been Bass, but not lynching someone at the hospital with a sick family member. I am weak, I know. Any opinion on Snowman or LC?

I haven't figured out snowman's game yet. He is clearly one of those unconventional players like Vomps or AP who is hard to read. I had a suspicion of LC a few cycles back, but who knows now.

I don't see Ty as active enough to reliably send in Night Kill PMs, so I doubt he is Wasatch or Weather at this point.

We know that two people did what FZ asked them to do. I think you're too stubborn to have done it, so I don't want to lynch you (I realized roles might have changed, but this is the best I've got so far.)

That means I'm looking for someone merciful, which to me says Black Rock or Zombrella, or maybe Bass.

S~V~S wrote:Guys this is not official or anything, but Roxy has a sick family member, so she may or may not be by before the lynch.

So lets carry on with the lynching

So Llama, you say no go on Ty. I can dig it. Who do you propose in his place?

This is the problem. No one has said anything today. If the roles all (or mostly) changed, then we have nothing to go on. I am at a bit of a loss. Do you have any thoughts?

RIP FZ.

Quiet day. Anyone have any thoughts? I was fairly gung ho to go after Ty, but with the role shifts I don't know that if that is wise any longer. If no one's going to talk today, it's going to be hard to find a baddie.

I guess the question is: Who would have been most likely to grant FZ's request and kill her?

In fairness to the players, and with the greatest love and respect to Roxy, the mechanics of the game sort of inevitably set up arguments like this.

S~V~S wrote:I don't know that her logic matters anymore, llama.

Perhaps not. It's just annoying to have people saying "I definitely know X, because I figured it out and you should trust me" but be unwilling to answer any followup questions. If you're not going to explain your certainty, you shouldn't say you certain, at least in my opinion.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Great job with you info, FZ

Can we all agree that FZ is a terrible liar at this point?
I now want the baddies to kill me tonight, because this post is so full of crap. I said that if he's not a Donner, he's bad. I expected Donners to come in and prevent this lynch and I think I was pretty clear about it. This lynch is on their hands. But I'm so fed up with this, that I'm asking the baddies to kill me tonight. If I'm rotating to a baddie, I'm killing myself.

linki: llama, that is such bull. You and I know that voting record means nothing in this game, and the only way to do anything is by using your logic.

Let's hear your logic then. If it is based on secret info, you should not have even said it. If you are saying that, it should be based on publicly available info.

There seems to be some confusion about this, so let me clear it up.

If you're going to say things like "Russ definitely has to be bad" you better be able to back it up with voting record analysis or in-thread info.

If secret info is the reason you think that, then don't say it. Make an actual case based on publicly available info.

Jesus Christ.

Great job with you info, FZ

Can we all agree that FZ is a terrible liar at this point?

I am also mystified as to how people are claiming that Russ must be bad if he's not a Donner. It's giving me the willies.

I've been wrong before.

Zomberella12 wrote:
TySlayer wrote:Llama was too quick to trust FZ. I don't trust either of them, and if llama is actually saying FZs posts are HELPFUL, then there's trouble afoot.
I wish we could lunch you!

On this we agree.

TySlayer wrote:Llama was too quick to trust FZ. I don't trust either of them, and if llama is actually saying FZs posts are HELPFUL, then there's trouble afoot.

I said she was TRYING to be helpful. I don't find her analysis helpful.

Zomberella12 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Well, Russ may well be bad, but my gut is still saying Zombrella, so I'm placing my vote there.
You and your guy need to just take it easy! I'm willing to bet money on Russ' evility.

I guess we will see if you are right. I hope you are.

Well, Russ may well be bad, but my gut is still saying Zombrella, so I'm placing my vote there.

Oh, and SVS. Where is she today, anyway?

So BR, LC and I all exerienced the same rotation pattern. FZ's was different, and no one else has said. I'm less inclined to vote people who share my rotation pattern, so that leaves BAss, FZ, Russ, and Zombrella.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Long Con wrote:I also do not understand this "who moved first" talk. After the first rotation, all my family's roles stayed the same, but there was a number of abilities changed. After the second rotation, everything changed... my family, my role, my ability, my teammates.

Is this not the experience that everyone else had?
That's the experience I had.

Regarding FZ's theory... I guess I am alone on this, but I never see the point in speculations based on nothing. I don't understand when Turnip Head does it, I don't understand when FZ does it. I can make up anything, call it a "theory" and assume it's correct. "Maybe one of the role secrets is that we've been given access to each others' accounts and the person posting as FZ is not really FZ!" I don't understand why people like to assume things for which we have no evidence, but a lot of people do it, so maybe I am the weird one.
You're shooting down every idea I have today. If we're going to base our votes on your ideas, we either come up with nothing at best, or at worst, lynch me and lose a civ.

But I'm kind of fed up with being the only one who's actually trying to find a way to find baddies. You don't want to go there, fine. I'm done. I'll make my decision before I go to bed.
No offence.

Sorry, I just don't see any point in speculation of that nature, and I never have. I don't see why we would assume things to be true that we have no reason to believe are true. I'm not the only one here though. I'm sure other people will be more receptive, but it doesn't make sense to me.

Long Con wrote:I also do not understand this "who moved first" talk. After the first rotation, all my family's roles stayed the same, but there was a number of abilities changed. After the second rotation, everything changed... my family, my role, my ability, my teammates.

Is this not the experience that everyone else had?

That's the experience I had.

Regarding FZ's theory... I guess I am alone on this, but I never see the point in speculations based on nothing. I don't understand when Turnip Head does it, I don't understand when FZ does it. I can make up anything, call it a "theory" and assume it's correct. "Maybe one of the role secrets is that we've been given access to each others' accounts and the person posting as FZ is not really FZ!" I don't understand why people like to assume things for which we have no evidence, but a lot of people do it, so maybe I am the weird one.

Anyway, I have not made up my mind to vote for you, FZ. As I mentioned, a lot of your posts do seem like you are sincerely trying to help. I'm just not comfortable giving out all of my previous teammates' info to people I'm not sure if I can trust. I'm going to reread the thread again before I decide who to vote for.

FZ. wrote:
thellama73 wrote:How are the names of my teammates from previous days going to help you, and how is you knowing them going to help me?
For instance, you were a Donner. Which one of the Donners was first to leave, which was the second, and so on. Since then, how many died, and in what role (or power if we're allowed to discuss it). If we find a pattern of who moved first and if one of them died, in what role they died, it can help us figure out if there's a pattern we can follow. Of course, assuming we're allowed to do so (and I'm assuming we are because Roxy said we can talk about previous roles).

As far as I know, all the role changes happen at the same time, so I still don't understand this "who moved first business."

I also don't think "give me all the information you have and then decide whether you trust me" is a very trustworthy thing to ask.

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