The Syndicate

I have to get the kids started on their school work, but I wanted to check in real quick. I cannot catch up on everything, but I did see this:

juliets wrote:Elocin, don't know if you'll see this but could you explain why you voted reywas?

I thought I was clear that unfortunately I felt I had to randomize. I have never done that before, but there was nothing to go on imo. Again, sorry reywaS (if you are good).

Well, I still have no real suspects but I must vote now as my mornings are busy with schooling my children. I don't want to help create any kind of bandwagon. I hate to vote random. Doing so will make me a hypocrite, but I seriously have no ping to go on, so I guess it is what I have to do. *votes reywaS* Sorry dude.

MovingPictures07 wrote:So I just found out my grandmother has died and I'm not feeling up to mafia at the moment, so I haven't caught up, sorry. I'll see if I feel up to it later tonight or something so I don't miss the vote, but I don't know yet. I guess this should be in OT green, but given it relates to my activity this game, I guess I'm keeping it normal color.

So sorry, Alex. My thoughts and prayers are with you and your family.

Bullzeye wrote:I highly doubt anyone will come forward. Especially not baddies at this point.

I guess you're right. It would give us a better idea of who the baddies are.

So, this means that it would be a good thing to find out who received info, right? Alex?

MovingPictures07 wrote:And Elo, I'm very sorry you found me as rude, but I never had any intention of coming off as such. You just had clearly not caught up by the time you posted, as you were asking for other people to share their info (or maybe you had and just disagreed with me... which is fine), and so I spoke out of urgency because I did not want to contribute to the potential outing of civvies. Regardless of what anyone thinks of my hackbrained theory... on the off chance it actually is true and at some point we lynch a player who would be outed in the off chance that it is true, it only possibly confirms everything, which only helps the baddies more than it does us.

But anyway, I apologize for that. I suppose I know better now to "control" the thread. Maybe I should have just spent hours on my Sunday studying instead and not bothering actually contributing, like other 'helpful' civvies who will last until Day 10 because they follow the crowd and don't put themselves out there.

First of all, I had caught up. Second, try not to be discouraged. I know what it is like to be civ and to be thought bad - remember our talks in the game we previously played together. As of right now, I am not sure about you yet - baddie or civvie. I think players are grasping at straws right now. There is not much to go on, but you know that. I don't think I will be jumping on any bandwagons today even though it is probably the safest thing to do.

Matt F wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Many of the theories being thrown out so far don't seem realistic to me. That said, I appreciate when players actually come out and participate in such discussion because it often leads to an unfortunate early civvie death and thus there are risks involved in doing so.

That being said, the idea that we should lynch the 6th player or other such inferences are completely ridiculous, IMO, and I will vote for the first person to cast their vote based on something so trivial and illogical.

Like you have never made any ridiculous or illogical theories. I've seen your lengthy posts on how things could be this way or that and then at the end you say something like, "but I could be wrong". At least I'm trying. And I already said, if what I came up with was a bad theory, just tell me, kindly. I will respect your opinion. We civs are in this together.

So you believe MP is a civvie? Not trying to say he's not, but rather, I have no idea. Or maybe you were just trying to butter him up after he struck down that idea of yours?

I wrote this when I assumed him civvie. I am unsure at the moment. I try not to pin baddie on anyone until they give me something to suspect.

birdwithteeth11 wrote: I know one of the topics I would like to hear more opinions on is the whole Snow Dog thing. Do others agree with me that it was a misunderstanding, or do some people honestly think it was a baddie slip-up? My mind isn't entirely made up on it yet, and I think other voices would help clear it up for me.

I thought it looked mostly like a misunderstanding. But I'm not sure how good of a liar Snow Dog is.

@BDH - definitely a smart, analytical player.

BigDamnHero wrote:

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

BigDamnHero wrote:This intrigues me. I'd like to hear more from ANYONE who didn't vote CASTLE with the rest of the crowd and see what, if any, info they had concerning voting options. Could it be possible that an option didn't necessarily have to "win" per se, but just that certain people had to vote for certain options?

Also, I could totally get on board with the "VOTE THE PLAYER LIST" option. Genocide is hardly ever a good thing, but it WOULD destroy all the baddies...civvies too, unfortunately, but at least there would still be balance in the universe and these headaches and random eye twitches that I've started experiencing as of this morning would probably/hopefully go away!

Do you understand WHY having people volunteer whether or not they received info is a bad thing? Because to me, it either sounds like you don't or that you don't care.

No, I really don't understand, so please help me understand. The ASSUMPTION that people are making is that ONLY CIVILIANS were given any sort of information pertaining to the poll. No if this were indeed true, then yes, I can see why people revealing they received info would be bad because it would be identifying roles we are inherently trying to protect. I by no means want to expose, sacrifice or otherwise endanger any of my civilian counterparts, but I can neither subscribe to this insane theory that one side has been given an unfair advantage over another in a game that is just in its early stages. Assumptions and theories are not the same things as truths or facts. I could formulate a theory that every single civilian player ONLY voted for the Castle option and therefore everyone else is a bad guy. Is it PLAUSIBLE? Of course, but that doesn't make it true or factual in any way. So I'm having a hard time buying into the theory that only civilian roles were given any information. At this point I don't care who has info or who doesn't or who voted why or whatever. What concerns me is that this single theory has been seemingly validated and made out to be the gospel truth to everyone so as to distract us from considering other possibilities. I can envision multiple scenarios where one of the bad guys would either admit or deny receiving info so as to forward their own agendas. The fact that MovingPictures began down a specific road of discussion only to put an abrupt and immediate halt to that exactly line of debate has me gravely concerned since he was one of the key people who began propogating what I'm going to refer to as the 6-civ theory. I see this as him trying to manipulate a situation wherein we think his actions are for the greater good of the civilians so as to give him a sort of credibility as being one of us.

I'd just like to say that I like you and think you will be so much fun to play Mafia with

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Elohcin wrote: Other players with info...did your info come like Snowy's? Or was it different?

Again, why do you want to continue that train of thought? This is the only part of the discussion so far that is really bothering me. And I feel there are plenty of other avenues we could explore besides this one.

I was just joining in the discussion when I wrote this. If we as a whole feel it is better not to discuss this any further, I am okay with that. I'm sure thee will be a more appropriate time later. What other avenues would you like to explore?

MovingPictures07 wrote:One last post because I happened to see it.

Elohcin: Catch up before posting again.

And Mongoose: I agree, don't use it as a starting point. It will be Erlatz 11 all over again. I am actually thinking I might vote Devin today... but I might not. I might vote MDH, but I might not. I might even vote for llama... but I might not. I might even vote for Player List...

I will mull on this and visit the thread when I have more time, and when I think it would be beneficial for me to do so. Seriously. Bye now.

Sigh. Linki with BDH: Please read my last 10 or so posts again. If you come to that conclusion again, think about it. I do not want to discuss info any further; it should be clear why.

Now let me go!

I keep a separate tab up to address things as I read. Then I edit my thoughts after I'm done catching up. Four pages is a lot to read without making notes on what I want to say. And, you're rude

I just read 4 pages of posts! Y'all are a chatty bunch today

MovingPictures07 wrote:Many of the theories being thrown out so far don't seem realistic to me. That said, I appreciate when players actually come out and participate in such discussion because it often leads to an unfortunate early civvie death and thus there are risks involved in doing so.

That being said, the idea that we should lynch the 6th player or other such inferences are completely ridiculous, IMO, and I will vote for the first person to cast their vote based on something so trivial and illogical.

Like you have never made any ridiculous or illogical theories. I've seen your lengthy posts on how things could be this way or that and then at the end you say something like, "but I could be wrong". At least I'm trying. And I already said, if what I came up with was a bad theory, just tell me, kindly. I will respect your opinion. We civs are in this together.

That said, I don't have anything to really go on for finding baddies yet. Many of the players aren't even posting, really.

thellama73 wrote:
What are your feelings about low posters? I tend to like to vote for them on Day One, but other people think I am wrong to do so. The reason I like to is that I think it is an easy way for baddies to hide. I have seen very low posters make it all the way through games with no scrutiny due to flying under the radar. Also, I like to have fun, and the game is not fun if nobody is talking, so I prefer to vote of someone who is not talking over someone who is, all things being equal.

I agree with you here. I hate to vote people just because they aren't talking but I think randomizing is worse. If we randomize aren't we more likely to lynch a civ, yes? I think between the two options, voting a quiet player over random voting would give us a better chance at lynching a baddie on the first try. I don't know about you all, but I've never seen a baddie lynched on Day 1. Have any of you ever witnessed such a thing? And, I agree with Hedge that we ought not vote a newbie on Day 1.

About the info, I think the whole thing about 6 players getting info as there were 6 options would be logical if Snowy hadn't received info *before* the pole. It would be nice if everyone who had info would let us know they had it and whether they received it before or after Day 0 poll ended, or both. We could put a list together of who had info and when and what option they voted for. Thank you SnowDog for giving us what you could I too think it was a misunderstanding about what "info" meant. Technically you had info before the poll just by knowing that you would get info if castle won .

Other players with info...did your info come like Snowy's? Or was it different?

Also, why do you think someone would lie about getting info? Someone was talking (sorry cannot remember who with all I read) about how if only one person voted for a certain option, they would automatically be the one to receive info (with the "6" theory) but someone in this situation claims they got no info. What would keep someone from sharing the info that they received info (did that make sense?)

I don't mind you refuting my theory is it is a bad on. I am all for squashing those baddies

Sorry for the double post. But, I am not saying that I think Bullz is bad, I am just putting forth the option. I wouldn't think that the number 6 would have much to do with the Day 0 poll. I think all that will be kept secret, at least for the time being as Daisy said absolutely nothing about it today and for the reason that she said no one with info is allowed to reveal anything. So, I think the number 6 has something to do with today's poll. Who is baddie.

No no, not Vomps, Bullz. He is the 6th option on the poll today. Hmm...which is funny, because it could be considered Bullz or or BWT if you count the mistake (Player List) option.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Given Daisy said "those with info may not reveal what they were told", that makes me wonder. There had to be some outcome of the poll; I just have absolutely no idea what it was. I was kind of hoping voting Castle would allot me to receive something, but nothing happened.

I thus am not sure what to conclude.

Yeah, it was kind of disappointing that Daisy didn't post anything at all about the Day 0 Poll. I was really hoping to get some sort of information. Even Simon (my son for those who do not know) asked, "But what about The Cheat?"

MovingPictures07 wrote:Astute observation, Mongoose! See, I had not yet watched the video for two reasons: (1) I was hoping to only make a post and then get to studying for the GMAT because I didn't do any at all yesterday due to it being my birthday... I am unfortunately sucked into this game and still procrastinating, whoops, and thus intended on watching it this evening; and (2) I have already seen all of these videos in the past.

It cannot be a coincidence that there are 6 messages on the answering machine and 6 Day 0 poll options. I know Daisy and I have a very hard time believing she would play us so hard as to set that up as a meaningless lead.

I do not think your 6 posts in this day period theory is the correct one. It is an interesting discussion point, but not something I think is the correct interpretation in this case. I will let this new fact and your analysis sit because I need to go eat lunch and stop procrastinating on studying as I've spent more than my allotted time mafiaing this morning that I intended. I look forward to seeing further analysis from you and others regarding the matter, and I'm curious what you think regarding what I already had to say as well, Mongoose.

@ Mongoose - I agree that was an excellent observation.

There are so many ways this could go with the 6 posts thing. There could be a prize for those who post 6 posts exactly, or a punishment. Or, like Mongoose said, maybe we are supposed to post at least six times. I have no clue, but I do think the number 6 is significant here somewhere.

What if we should vote for the 6th player? What if it is a clue to lynching a baddie. Bullz?

linki: llama beat me to the idea :/

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Happy Birthday Alex! You share this notable day with Martha Stewart, Tony Bennett, and Evangeline Lilly!

Also James Hetfield,John Landis and John C. McGinley!

And my friend Dana. Happy Birthday Alex!

bea wrote:

Dom wrote:

bea wrote:I'm going to assume at least 3 civs were told that the castle was a civ option. I'm also going to assume that at least 3 other civs were told a different option would help them. (given my theory up there about how this day 0 poll could have went down)

why

because it made sense to me when I thought it. I thought last night while I thought it that it was quite ingenious and a rather nifty idea.

Admittedly, after some sleep, I'm more than willing to admit that I have no idea at all. I'm just guessing really. In any event, now that I'm rested and the pain med has wore off, I have decided that it's time to be done with my own running around in circles and just go with the obvious castle choice.

But how did you come up with the number 3 in the first place? Or was that just a random number you chose to insert into your post to get your thought across?

Glad to have you here DFaraday.

bea wrote:
I'm just very very paranoid. Am I really the only one this paranoid? have I got that mafia jaded that I can't see the forest for the trees?

From my experience, it just doesn't help to be paranoid. When I have acted paranoid before, it just brings suspicion on me.

Bullzeye wrote:

juliets wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Am I the only one who thinks that the video and the poll are two different things? Nothing in mafia is ever that obvious or simple...

Bullz I'm not sure what you mean by the video and poll being separate.

People are saying they're voting castle because of the video but I just don't see why it'd be that obvious.

Maybe it is that simple. Maybe SpaceDaisy just wanted to see who would watch the video and who would skip over it.

Mongoose wrote:The Castle may be a bit obvious to be the "right" answer, but I think it's still a good logical place to start. I hope we don't have to go to the sticks.

You can find Epignosis and I in the sticks

Mongoose wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Yay Game!

I voted for castle as that seems like a logical answer after watching the video.

This looks like it will be a lot of fun, and My kids are enjoying watching the videos with me so far. Thanks, Spacedaisy.

Mother of pearl, Eloh. That's an exquisite cake.

Thanks Mongoose. I love what I do You can see all my cakes at facebook.com/LittleMissCakesNC

Yay Game!

I voted for castle as that seems like a logical answer after watching the video.

This looks like it will be a lot of fun, and My kids are enjoying watching the videos with me so far. Thanks, Spacedaisy.