The Syndicate

Mongoose wrote:
Matahari wrote:Hmmmmmmmmmmmm. The very first suspicion I had when I replaced in was INH. But I don't think I ever voted him. Then I got suspicious of everyone else. I think I'll vote INH.

Me too. I think he gets away with too much due to my inability to read him, so how is that fair? *votes INH*

Woah, wait. You said you were voting INH but I got your vote. :/

Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Man! :/ Still so confused. This makes Lizzy okay...I think. A P
I agree with this... Even with the I think. I feel really good about Lizzy right now, but she could have just as easily latched onto AP as a baddie knowing he was a civ... I don't really trust anyone anymore. But, I think I will trust Lizzy right now.

That being said, I'm leaning the most towards Matahari today. She caught my eye earlier in the game for a couple of reasons, her sudden list of 4 potential baddies for starters. And as soon as llama agreed with me on this (but not as strongly), he was Night Killed... That speaks volumes to me at this point.

Plus I think my odds of hitting a baddie now are pretty damn good

*votes*
Sorry to vote early, but I have a super busy day today!

I am with Devin, our odds of catching a baddie are pretty good now. *Votes Matahari*

Man! :/ Still so confused. This makes Lizzy okay...I think.

A P

Russtifinko wrote:RIP Vompers. You died a hero.

I'm sorry I was wrong about you. I feel all mixed up this game, and it makes me not trust my read on A Person anymore. I still can't shake the feeling about Mata, though. And I tend to trust Lizzy more than most of you at this point, so I'm considering an INH vote as well.

Why all the early votes, guys? No one wants to talk anymore?

I don't know, after Lizzy's last post about not voting A P, I don't feel I can trust her. The post screamed of trying to save a baddie teammate.
Then, Mongoose's tone when she said she trusts lizzy and is nervous about a matt vote. I am beginning to wonder about her again as well.

voting A Person...fingers crossed

I've never been in a Mafia game where it was THIS hard to find the baddies.

Hedge.

Devin the Omniscient wrote: Pretty sweet result!!

I will state my reason again, I believe Vomps is Da Fetus and has been too busy to vote for anyone else at the time. Since he has been defeated, we SHOULD be able to lynch him now.

That being said *votes*.

It is so difficult to know who to trust this game.

However, This explanation of Vomps sounds like it could be true. *Votes Vomps*

I will not be here this evening so the sooner we can come to a consensus, the better. I am okay with a vomps or A Person vote as well. Any ideas why Vomps would have kept voting for himself?

y'all are nuts.

First Dr. Fetus was defeated, then he survived? I'm confused.

Stupid RL always getting in the way of Mafia. What's up with that?!

I voted Hedge because when Epignosis found her suspicious, he was killed.

Aww, boo! RIP Epi!

I've been to the panhandle a few times. It is amazing the difference between there and central FL. However, you can go to Apopka and find some good backwoods and southern accents as well

Happy Thanksgiving Mongoose

and everyone else celebrating.

Lizzy wrote:
I'm glad Hedgie was brought up yet again. Although, given my brilliant sleuth skills this game, she might just as well be civ.

I've been suspicious of Lizzy a few times and this statement is pingy to me, like she knows Hedge is civ and is glad we are looking at her. *votes Lizzy*

Epignosis wrote:I'm going through looking at the posts of people who got replaced. This exchange raised my eyebrow.

That was weird. Did Dego think llama was role hinting? And if so, what does that mean to us now?

insertnamehere wrote:Really, my main two suspicions, A Person and Elochin have done nothing to dissuade me from suspecting them. They're at the top of my list on who to look at. We need to get a baddie, and fast. To the best of my knowledge, there's 4 (5 if Brownie can be recruited) baddies left. We haven't got rid of any of them. This is a fucking travesty. The one thing that's been in our favor is the fact that we've been flying through the levels. We need whoever Dr. Fetus duels to take him out.

Why exactly do you suspect me? B/c I said we ought to cluster vote? I truly think if we had done that, things would have worked out better for us, but we didn't. Sure there were little bandwagons here and there, but nothing strong enough. Anyway, at this point I guess we should spread our votes thin to buy ourselves time as I explained earlier today. It just seems like there are no leads after llama's death.

I have a feeling the baddies are all laughing at us BTS. We are really doing a horrible job at finding these guys. The low posters could be the baddies. Maybe they are very active BTS but not in the thread. I'd hate to think we are losing to a bunch of inactive players. As of yet, I am thinking we might need to spread the votes. Maybe you all were right. It will hopefully buy us time at least.

I think I need to wait and see what llama thinks of her in a day or so.

Okay, since you mentioned me, and you are wrong, I was going to say Lizzy, llama, mongoose, and ?.

Epignosis wrote:I vote for DP / llama alone and there's a pileup on bird. Hmm...

Hmm? What are your thoughts? What makes you go hmm.

And, llama, don't be so sure.

RIP BWT and MR. I am just so confused. This game is truly a difficult one when it comes to finding baddies. Someone will say something and it makes me think, "yes, he is definitely bad." Then the same person will say something I totally agree with and it is hard for me to imagine them bad. :/ I'm at a loss. There is only one person I genuinely suspect, but I will hold off on mentioning who and why until night has passed.

I have to vote now. I am going to vote BWT for his defensive response to Epi's post.

thellama73 wrote:The funny thing is, Rob's analysis is excellent and I would have totally gone along with it if I had not learned, just a couple of seconds ago when I got my new role PM, that it is completely wrong.

That's exactly what a baddie would say

Epignosis wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Epignosis wrote:A vote has been cast for DP.
For what reasons?
This isn't the hot chocolate thread. I posted why.

Sorry, I totally missed that somehow. I don't know how...it's not like it was a short post. And, I think I agree with you about the two you suspect (BWT and DP) and their defensive reactions to your post. I will take the night to think about it and decide who to vote in the morning as I will be done when the poll ends.

Now I must get some sleep. I cannot believe I am still up. I will regret this at 2:30 when my daughter needs to pee and 4:30 when my son wants to nurse, and 6:00 when my other son decides to turn on his Yo Gabba Gabba music. Goodnight.

Epignosis wrote:A vote has been cast for DP.

For what reasons?

Oh, and yes, the kids loved it

I put 3/4 cup sugar, 1/3 cup cocoa, and a pinch of salt in a pan. I added 1/3 cup boiling water, brought it to a boil and then simmered and stirred for two minutes. Then I stirred in 3.5 cups whole milk and heated it to a good drinking temp. Then I stirred in 3/4 tsp of vanilla.

I didn't use cream although the recipe said that half and half can be used at the end to cool it down and thicken it up, but b/c I used whole milk, I didn't feel it needed to be thickened at all. It was very creamy as it was.

I'm never buying boxed hot chocolate again. This homemade hot chocolate is amazing!

Epignosis wrote:
No madam.

I am bored because:

1. I was killed Night 1 and brought back. I have no need to defend myself. Which means I may die at any moment.

2. I have no suspicion on anyone given the nature of this game.

3. Replacements should be lynched, given that from my experience, such people replace bad guys.

two and three contradict one another, don't they?

Devin the Omniscient wrote:
Also, Quiet Epi is a scary Epi

I'm not sure I agree. I'm not outright defending him, but I am leaning towards civ on him. He is still participating in in The Island over on Revolution Mafia. It makes me think he is putting all his effort there and may be a bit bored with this game (sorry MP) which makes me think he is civ. If he was bad, I definitely think he would be more active.

I'm inclined to agree with whoever (sorry I cannot remember) brought up A Person as a suspect. I suspected HIM in the beginning and I think it was Lizzy that defended him, I will have to go back and read to see. Something to think about.

But, even though I suspect A Person, I am sticking with a Boom vote today. I also agree with the suspicions on him and again, I think we need to keep our votes together as much as possible.

*votes Boomslang*

A Person wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?
Either she is hoping that people would think that she'd purposely wait and not suspect her or someone else knows that she would be suspected if they hid right after she joined.

Hmm, yes, I hadn't thought of the second possibility.

I don't have much to add to what has already been said. However, I want to bring up...

1. Dr Fetus was inactive (for whatever reason) for two nights.
2. Mongoose replaced an inactive player.
3. Dr Fetus hid again and as not found.

This doesn't automatically mean Mongoose is Dr. Fetus, but it could. Any thoughts?

llama

Matahari wrote:i agree with you MR, about Eloh's posting style. She makes the most honest posts I've seen in mafia in a long time, no matter what her affiliation might be. Sometimes they make me laugh because I wish I had said it. This may turn into a mafia strength for her in time.

I'm really a black and white person if you can't see that already. My better half helps me see the great almost on a daily basis. However, my black and white outlook on life has saved him 10% on a guitar before.

I hope you are right about it becoming a mafia strength for me - maybe when players get to know me a little better.

Russtifinko wrote:
I'm worried you just want people dead and not the info that comes with their deaths, so I'm voting Elo.

I'm very much interested in the info that will follow a lynch. Isn't that what I have been saying? That is why we need a lynch. I'm also very interested in lynching baddies! What I would LOVE to see is an agreement on who is a bad and then we all vote together but that just ain't happenin' with the suspicions all over the place as they are. I haven't really contributed to the suspicions much, I know. Even though is is Day 5 it feels like there is still not much to go on. And, I know you all think I am crazy with my gung-ho attitude, but let's get this party started

Need I remind you that we are not getting any stronger as a civvie team the longer we go without a baddie lynch.

Mongoose wrote:EBWOP: I also trust Elohcin and she is not a nutty bast*ard, for the record.

Someone other than Epi trusts me?

HAHA J/K.

linki: MR too? wow, I think my continuous noob playstyle is finally working for me as a civ

thellama73 wrote:
Russtifinko wrote: In summary, Elo is all for just randomly lynching people this game, regardless of alignment, until....something happens? I don't really see her endgame here. It makes me think she's bad, and even if she's not bad I think she's a danger to the rest of the civs this game, because she's willing to play fast and loose with our lives by following any bandwagon she can find and killing the weak ones. I will almost certainly vote for her today, and I hope that she gives some sort of response to my post. I also hope others will consider voting her.
I agree with this. I have gone on record multiple times against the "let's just lynch anyone, because information!" argument. I think it's a wicked bad idea to not care whether the people you lynch for are actually bad.

Wait a tick! I'm not dangerous, I'm compliant. No reason to go after me.

Russtifinko wrote:Actually, Elohcin is scaring me a bit, now. She's been a stalwart proponent of bandwagoning in this game (which isn''t what pings me). She's been consistent about that, but not about WHOM to bandwagon.

Elohcin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Elohcin wrote: And if I had said nothing it would have been, "Elohcin hasn't said anything to defend herself."
Only a baddie would make such a response. I'm on to you, Tasha.
Eh, I'm not worried. You don't scare me Honestly, I don't think you're really pinged by me at all. And, I definitely get civvie vibes from you. I admit that you pinged me a bit at first with your "odd behavior" but there was one post that you made that turned things around for me. You're okay in my book.
First she's dead certain llama is civ (as a strangely large number of players seem to be this game, imo).

Elohcin wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for INH because I think Rob is good at reading his wife. Plus, she is always a little bandwagony if I remember correctly.
Bandwagony? Bandwagony!? Eh, I guess you're right. But not today folks! I still suspect that you and A Person are up to no good.

*votes llama*
The next day period, she's sure enough that llama is bad to vote for him.

Elohcin wrote:
Lizzy wrote:
Elo wrote:*votes llama* Love ya buddy, but others are right in saying that a 16-way tie would not be beneficial. Now you are tied with Dev
More or less bandwangon-y.

Elo wrote:I admit that you pinged me a bit at first with your "odd behavior" but there was one post that you made that turned things around for me. You're okay in my book.
Which one q.m.

Elo wrote:I went ahead and voted Hedge.
Why? Besides your tendency to bandwagon.

Elo wrote:I think this is a good idea. Low posters, not llama.
Why? Bandwagony again.

Elo wrote:Any other ideas folks?
You. Or maybe you could suggest someone for a change.

Yes, I was trying to bandwagon. I believe we need to bandwagon in this game, try to get a baddie asap so we can move forward with some more understanding of who else is bad.
The next day period, she's unable to give a reason for wanting to vote Hedge besides to bandwagon. As I mentioned above, bandwagoning itself isn't a problem for me. I disagree with it as a general strategy when civ, but I can understand how in this game someone could think it's a good idea. What I have a problem with is bandwagoning when you admit you have NO REASON other than the bandwagon itself to suspect someone. It reeks of just wanting people to die. I guess Elo would say she wants people to die so she can have info, but you would think if she were civ she'd prefer it be a baddie that goes. I don't see any sign of that thinking here.

Incidentally, this is one of the posts that makes me feel good about Lizzy this game. She's asking probing questions and following answers to their conclusions to make her decisions.

Elohcin wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:What leads you guys to think 14+ lives is strange?

Granted, there are plenty of other reasons to suspect Llama (and believe me, I'm now considering them all), but I'm not following that one. :/
As much as I suspect llama, I have to agree that 14 lives isn't enough to suspect him. This makes me think that Boomslang has less than 14 lives. Maybe we ought to go after him next as he will take less time to lynch.

Boomslang wrote:
Yeah, 14 votes and surviving starts to look a bit fishy.
And finally, here Elo just flat-out admits she wants Boomslang to die regardless of his alignment, just because he may have fewer lives than llama or her. I also don't understand what she's saying about llama here. Does she suspect him or doesn't she?

tl;dr:
In summary, Elo is all for just randomly lynching people this game, regardless of alignment, until....something happens? I don't really see her endgame here. It makes me think she's bad, and even if she's not bad I think she's a danger to the rest of the civs this game, because she's willing to play fast and loose with our lives by following any bandwagon she can find and killing the weak ones. I will almost certainly vote for her today, and I hope that she gives some sort of response to my post. I also hope others will consider voting her.

There are so many suspicions of who is good and who is bad in this game. It is so varied. You have one player saying, "So-and-so is bad for sure." And another players says, "What?! I am so certain he is civ!" We cannot agree on much at all in the thread and the baddies have to be loving it. We need to get someone out so we can have some more information. How often does it happen that a baddie is lynched on the first lynch? Not often. You think I don't care whether we lynch a civ or a baddie. Well, at this point, I think we just need to get some information. Whether we lynch a civ or a baddie, we will gain so much info b/c of all the varied opinions. Waiting around and spreading votes, we civs are losing strength and power.

*votes boomslang*

C'mon, bandwagon with me!

Yay Mongoose!

thellama73 wrote:1) Dr. Fetus fails to hide 2 nights in a row, clearly inactive
2) Rose is inactive enough to be replaced by Mongoose
3) Mongoose = Dr. Fetus?

I was going to say #1 myself. But I am not sure we can jump right to the conclusion that Mongoose = Dr. Fetus. There are other players who are not very active. However, even if Dr. Fetus does not hide during the next night period, I don't think we can let Mongoose off the hook either. If she is Dr. F, she might not hide to try and fool us.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:What leads you guys to think 14+ lives is strange?

Granted, there are plenty of other reasons to suspect Llama (and believe me, I'm now considering them all), but I'm not following that one. :/
As much as I suspect llama, I have to agree that 14 lives isn't enough to suspect him. This makes me think that Boomslang has less than 14 lives. Maybe we ought to go after him next as he will take less time to lynch.

Boomslang wrote:
Yeah, 14 votes and surviving starts to look a bit fishy.
So because Boomslang is one of the people to suggest the 14+ lives idea, you think we should lynch him for it? How does that make any sense?

We are trying to lynch a baddie as soon as possible. Going for a baddie with fewer lives seems logical to me.

Mister Rearranger wrote:What leads you guys to think 14+ lives is strange?

Granted, there are plenty of other reasons to suspect Llama (and believe me, I'm now considering them all), but I'm not following that one. :/

As much as I suspect llama, I have to agree that 14 lives isn't enough to suspect him. This makes me think that Boomslang has less than 14 lives. Maybe we ought to go after him next as he will take less time to lynch.

Boomslang wrote:
Yeah, 14 votes and surviving starts to look a bit fishy.

Because I think bandwagoning is key in this game, I vote Jiggers.

Bye Nev. Sorry you didn't get to play longer.

A Person wrote: Time is the biggest challenge for the civs I can think of. The baddies apparently can kill every night, but we can't be certain that someone will die even if we all vote for them. One wrong guess could result in 3 or more dead civs.

I very much agree with this statement. As I've said before, I think our best bet is to pile the votes. But, we need to make sure we get a baddie.

"Madam, we must have waffles! We must all have waffles forthwith! We must all think, and we must all have waffles, and think each and every one of us to the very best of his ability... "

Hedgeowl wrote:
Mister Rearranger wrote:@Hedge: Were you silenced for the day as well as removed from the poll?

Wot hoppen?

What are your thoughts on INH and Jigsaw?

What is the meaning of life?

Where's that confounded bridge?
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Lizzy wrote:
Elo wrote:*votes llama* Love ya buddy, but others are right in saying that a 16-way tie would not be beneficial. Now you are tied with Dev
More or less bandwangon-y.

Elo wrote:I admit that you pinged me a bit at first with your "odd behavior" but there was one post that you made that turned things around for me. You're okay in my book.
Which one q.m.

Elo wrote:I went ahead and voted Hedge.
Why? Besides your tendency to bandwagon.

Elo wrote:I think this is a good idea. Low posters, not llama.
Why? Bandwagony again.

Elo wrote:Any other ideas folks?
You. Or maybe you could suggest someone for a change.

Yes, I was trying to bandwagon. I believe we need to bandwagon in this game, try to get a baddie asap so we can move forward with some more understanding of who else is bad.

thellama73 wrote:I'm actually astonished at how dense everyone is being this game. I could hardly have been more obvious about being a civ. I was actually worried about being too obvious. ANYONE who has ever played a game with me before should be able to see that. I don't know what to make of the fact that people keep piling votes onto me without explanation, except that they are a) not perceptive in the slightest or b) baddies who smell an easy target.

Not sure which is more likely, but it has to be a little of a) since I have more votes than there are baddies.

You were worrying abut looking TOO civ. Maybe others see that as trying too hard to LOOK civ.

Lizzy wrote:
Besides Llama and Hedgie, I have Elo left. So unless she decides to stop being evasive, and give a reasonable reply to my post, I'll be voting for her today.

I'm not sure what you want from me.

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting for INH because I think Rob is good at reading his wife. Plus, she is always a little bandwagony if I remember correctly.

Bandwagony? Bandwagony!? Eh, I guess you're right. But not today folks! I still suspect that you and A Person are up to no good.

*votes llama*

thellama73 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I said that Rob was as civ as the day is long, then he was killed by the mafia, making it unlikely that he was mafia. Check the record, and you will see.
If you are a Fetusite, you might claim that I am good, and then when you or your team cooks me, you conveniently gain some measure of credibility.
This is absolutely, undeniably true.

Epignosis wrote:
thellama73 wrote:I don't want to appear as a civ. Do you think I want to get NKed? Not bloody likely.

A Person wrote:I agree, appearing/claiming to be civ only restricts what you can do and paints a target on your head. I also agree with Lizzy, though. :P
This makes no sense to me. There are three factions. One faction knows its members, so you presumably wouldn't want to look like a villain. If you don't want to look like a civilian, then do you mean that you want people to believe you're the turd?
I do not mean that at all, actually.

@ Llama - What did you mean?

I think we ought to vote A Person.

A Person wrote:I like Llama's idea so in an effort to further it (and to make the poll graphs look more even) I vote for him.

First ping. I believe it was pointed out several times that llama's plan was not beneficial for civies.

A Person wrote:I agree, appearing/claiming to be civ only restricts what you can do and paints a target on your head. I also agree with Lizzy, though. :P

Second ping. How does this paint a target on your head when the baddies already know you are civ.

The third reason I would vote AP is is overall tone. He gives me baddie vibes

. And, after rereading him, I am thinking he is a little too buddy buddy with llama for my liking. Maybe llama has pulled the wool over my eyes. Maybe he really meant it when he came up with the idea to spread out the votes...then when most people jumped on him for it, he claimed to have said it only to get a reaction. I know I seem to be flip-flopping, but after the reread, I am thinking both AP and Llama are not so good.

Mister Rearranger wrote:But WB Epi!

I should really let my hangovers work themselves out before I try to read the thread.

Don't worry, I didn't notice either until after you said you were voting Hedge. Any other ideas folks?

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