The Syndicate

Turnip Head wrote:By the way: Elo, please keep playing with your more aggressive playstyle. at least try it once as a civvie. I think if you do that, you'll be more aware of your tells that some people picked up on in this game. I liked your style this game! Even if I heavily suspected that you were a baddie

Thank you for the encouragement, TH. I was really hoping to be civ this game so my "more aggressive" playstyle wouldn't be seen as my baddie playstyle. :/ But it is what it is.

I was not upset that I was being lynched. I was upset about how I got lynched. It seemed to me (and I have previous BTSC experiences that help form my opinion) that certain players will choose to stand by their RL friends no matter what team they are on in Mafia. I understand people may play and vote as they please. However IMO, we ought to leave RL relationships out of it as much as possible. If I believed Epi is bad, you better bet I am going after him

juliets wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'll make sure only to play with unbiased people from now on since I have no BFFs in the mafia world.

Eloh, my vote had nothing to do with popularity or BFF's or anything like that. I've played with kate for years and I can usually get her civ game if I study what she's said long enough. I did that here and saw her civ game. My vote was not personal at all.

I'm sorry, but when in champions you didn't want our team to NK bea b/c of personal reasons....this is the impression I get. But I am done talking about all of it. Y'all have a good game.

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I'll make sure only to play with unbiased people from now on since I have no BFFs in the mafia world.

To be fair, I knew you were bad as well.

I look forward to hearing why at end game I so didn't want to be bad this game too. I've been bad in the last three games I've played. I wanted to be good with my new aggressive playstyle so people couldn't say..."Oh that is just her baddie play style". Sucks for me. I guess I am going back to being a quiet player. Only way to survive.

insertnamehere wrote:

Kate wrote:Oh thank god.

nervous, were you?

she sure was.

The host is cooking my and writing a post. patients please.

juliets wrote:Well, I at this point have a strong enough feeling that kate is good that I'm going to vote for eloh in hopes of saving kate. Kate does have some solid points against Eloh though I do acknowledge maybe both of them are good, but I have to take that chance. And fz i didn't mean for anything I said to sound exclusive, I was just providing my insight and what it's based on. I am going to vote eloh.

Can we say, popularity contest. Only BFFs allowed.

Thank you Juliets for doing a reread on the kate and me thing. I do value your input and anyone else who is willing to contribute. I really think I am right in this. Again, to be concise. I went after Kate b/c she jumped on me without explaination, b/c she claimed she couldn't be lynched, and b/c she continued to be defensive with a tone that was not calm and collected. This screams baddie to me.
Oh, and this is actually the third game I have played since deciding to change my play style. I've gotten gradually more aggressive, yes, but it is better than not saying anything like many off the players in this game.

Kate wrote:Out of my mind? Wow. You have changed your tone.

I do not think you are an easy target. I think you're a bad target who needs to be lynched. I see how now you are softening you accusation. Kate, may be a civ...sure. But wrap up that post with kate is out of her mind. Which is it elo?

My posts on you are solid. You subtly defended Svs then tried to keep her from getting lynched by jumping on any other name mentioned. Unfortunately for you I lived.

No softening here. I never defended SVS....I had a gut feeling the baddies could have been using her to draw attention away form them. It still could have been true....except....it wasn't

juliets wrote:Why is it that people do not believe Kate? I read the roles and her responses and it seems pretty clear she could be one of those roles. Maybe she's a baddie because kate is nothing if not clever but I can't help thinking she's just as easily good as bad. And Elohcin, you are so much unlike yourself this game, not just that you arent saying a lot but what you are saying seems a little...harsh? I don't know if that's quite the right word, it may be too heavy. But anyway, why the sudden radical style change?

Jules, you were the very person to convince me to change my play style. I have done it and now you're questioning it.

To answer your other question. I had not considered Kate thinking that she could not be lynched b/c of a certain civ role. I have not talked about this issue since before she mentioned that. Last I talked about it was when she kept claiming she wouldn't be lynched even though Epi said there were no lynch manipulations/protections. I called that a lie, yes. As to her thinking she was unlynchable b/c of certain role.....I can understand that....but if it is true, she ahsn't been paying too much attention. Epi made it clear that this was a straightforward game from the beginning. Kate could be civ...I'll give you that. But, I think she is jumping on me b/c she thinks I am an easy target. And yes, from previous games, one might think so. But not any longer. I have changed my style, I am in ONE game at a time, and I am committed! I am paying close attention and am going to call others out when they stand up, point a finger, and scream "baddie, baddie" just b/c they think they can get someone lynched that way. Kate has nothing on me and I dare say she ever reread me before voting me that day. She just needed someone to pick on so she could look as if she was a contributing civ. It is my opinion that kate is bad. I wish I could get others to give their opinion on the situation. I don't mind being bitchslapped if I am being ridiculous about the situation. But I really think Kate is out of her mind with her accusations.

I couldn't kill you



For real though. No, you said baddies join bandwagons and civvies start them. So....I thought I would prove my civviness.

How's that for not joining a bandwagon, kate?

Okay, maybe I will say one more thing....SIX posts in a row screams desperate baddie.

Kate wrote:

Elohcin wrote:All this sounds promising. I am willing to go with Kate or SVS....steer away boys.

This is so baddie it's practically an admission.

"So one of you civs please cast the first vote so I can jump on the bandwagon and have no liability for causing this civ lynch."

This is classic baddie maneuver. Baddies don't start bandwagons they jump on them. So out of no where my name is mentioned and you vote me over Svs? Wonder why?

I think you are a bit out of control. This all sounds to me like they caught me....who can I point my finger at and scream, "Baddie! Baddie! Baddie!"

I'm not going to say anymore right now. I want others to weigh in and give their opinions on Eloh vs. Kate. Anyone care to chime in?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

FZ. wrote:Bea,
to answer your question, I just looked at Burglekutt's role description:

The bully landlord. Each Night, he can command two people to vote the same person the next Day. If Burglekutt isn’t satisfied (the person didn’t get lynched), he may steal the Night power of either of his targets for the Next night. Wins by surviving so long as Willow and Bavmorda are both dead.

According to this, we're looking at two people having to vote for the same person. Looking at other roles, there might be people who can be saved from the forcing, if they're protected, so maybe in some of the votes we only have one voter. Also, I don't think he has any knowledge on who is a baddie and who isn't.
So basically it boils down to the type of player. If it's a person who likes being a civvie, he'll force people to who he thinks the baddies are and vice verse. Still he needs to get two people out to win, so it gets more complicated. Bottom line, I'm back to having nothing

A question to you all about NIH. You know his game style. How likely is it, that he and SVS, knowing the sucky situation she was in, decided that going after each other would help him look good later on? Is he the kind of player to do that sort of thing, or is it more likely that he is actually a civvie and has been on the right track all along?

Since Bavmorda is dead, he now only needs to get Willow killed to win. Outside of a lynch, the odds there are going to be kind of slim with all the protective roles we have now, so my guess is that he will start sending his voters after the most townie players. This will make things very difficult from now on because that also means we can't just assume those players are bad if their votes are questionable. This is what I've deduced anyway.

Definitely food for thought. I remember reading that role now that it is mentioned.

Kate wrote: Well I said I was voting for Elo and then she decided she should vote for me. When I die vote for elo, k?

This is untrue. You mentioned rereading me. People say things like that about players all the time. It had nothing to do with my vote for you.

The reason I voted you was b/c you were warning us that you wouldn't be lynched. That is a lie that Epi has since confirmed. Two posts after your warning you toned it down to, "Like I said I'm not sure if I'll be lynched or not." You seem to be so full of POOP.

Everyone, please read for yourselves...

"I'd like to do a reread of Elo in the day."

"I doubt I'll be lynched though. Tis is so a bad idea.
Anyhow.
I'm voting elo."

When asked why she voted me (as there was no reason given)...

"Cut I think you're bad.
...
Maybe I'll just let you vote me and not defend and then you can say....oh well she wasn't acting civ anyway?
Unless some things changed I don't know about I won't be lynched anyway."

quote="Kate"]

Elohcin wrote:
This is supposed to eb a straightforward game with no lynch manipulations. Epi said that from the beginning. So....I don't believe you Wish I could put another vote on you just for that

You're so digging your grave. Every watch Elo push my lynch. Vote her next.

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WHAT?! How am I digging my grave by stating a fact from the host himself.

Epignosis wrote:There are no protections from lynches, no switches, no stops, and no extra votes.

To recap:
Kate has absolutely nothing to go on. She was only trying to LOOK as if she was contributing by saying, "I want to reread elo", waiting a little bit, and then voting me. Ten bucks says she didn't even read one quote from me. Like I said. She just wants tot look like she is being a good little civ and helping her team out. I see right through it.

And she stated several times about not being lynched so it is a bad idea to try. Do we trust a liar? I think not!!!

Welcome Jules!

Beer, Wine, Alcohol, Blech! I'm definitely not a drinker. But Epi told me once that bea can put them away

And can I get a hip-hip-hooray! Bye Bye SVS!!!

Kate wrote:Cut I think you're bad.

What should I defend against?

Maybe I'll just let you vote me and not defend and then you can say....oh well she wasn't acting civ anyway?

Unless some things changed I don't know about I won't be lynched anyway.

This is supposed to eb a straightforward game with no lynch manipulations. Epi said that from the beginning. So....I don't believe you Wish I could put another vote on you just for that

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Three quick votes on Kate. Don't know why I'm worried. I guess players are making sure to get their votes in this time?

My voting "early" was b/c I knew I would be busy this afternoon (wedding cake consult soon) and I knew I could change my vote if need be and if I had time. Kate has a few hours to defend herself.

Linki...ditto...why vote me?

Nevermind...I see you both already voted kate . I will vote kate as well. I will be busy the rest of the afternoon early evening.

All this sounds promising. I am willing to go with Kate or SVS....steer away boys.

I think Kate is one to look back at as well. She is awful quiet and I don't remember seeing much substance in her contributions. I will be rereading her and SVS today. It seems like everything points to SVS being bad, but there is still that nagging in the back of my mind that she may have been set up b/c of her emotional reaction over Andrew.

thellama73 wrote:

Andrew wrote:I will have to be replaced because I can't vote. See u in another mafia.

So all that was for nothing?

TH!

I guess there is only one place to look, right? Unless...What if SVS has just played a horrible civvie game b/c she got too emotionally caught up in the Andrew mess with llama and the baddies have used this opportunity to their advantage. :o I hate second guessing myself

I'm not a big fan of self voters, but I do think TH is the most obvious civ. I haven't agreed with much of what SVS has said this game, perhaps only one thing really and that is I believe she may have been correct about llama and TH having civ btsc. Llama's unfortunate death has only made this idea more believable. *votes TH*

Epignosis wrote:

bea wrote: Dearest Host with the Most: How are ties decided?

With caution.

:P

thellama73 wrote:

S~V~S wrote: A little of both, it depends on the person. llama, for instance, or MP, distances HARD, throws them under the bus sometimes before the bus is even in the terminal, lol. Some others have problems doing that to teammates until it is down to the wire.

This is a sidebar and not really relevant to the current game, but you always assert this about me, and it is not really true. I think I did it once in a game you hosted so I have that reputation with you, but honestly it is pretty rare for me to throw teammates under the bus.

Carry on.

I have been bad with Llama. He never threw any of us under the bud. TH, however...he will .

RIP Llama. I feel really bad about your lynch for two reasons. I figured you were civ. I think you were targeted b/c of the way you spoke your mind on the Andrew situation. And...even though I agree with your opinion, I think others (including SVS) may have felt you came off a bit harsh and without much tact. I am someone who understands this as I, myself, have very little tact :/. It is a weakness. But, I feel extra bad b/c if I hadn't forgotten this was a 24 hour lynch instead of 48, I could have helped save you. So, I am sorry for that.

FZ. wrote:
But Bea, I get that you're busy and behind, but you just chose weird stuff to quote and reply to in my opinion since we moved way beyond that, and other things have been discussed. I've seen baddies use the catchup trick to always appear like they are behind, thus never really having to say something when it counts. I hope this is not the case with you, but I'm keeping an eye.

Finally, DH, you seem to be skating through. You've barely said anything worth while so far (no offense). I'm getting the feeling you're trying to lay low.

I have to agree with everything said here. As I was reading today I was thinking, "Are we really still talking about this?"

And, DH....I get the same feeling. If you aren't "trying to lay low" then who are you suspecting today?

DharmaHelper wrote:Shame about BwT

Ditto. :/

Turnip Head wrote:INH, if you're wary of SVS and Kate, why not vote for your ol' pal Turnip Head? I really want Dom's sack of nuts.

*clears throat* I think this might violate rule #11.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm actually going to consider voting for someone I feel trustworthy about. I'll use myself as a last resort if I can't decide on anyone, but I hate when people do these early Night 1 or Night 2 votes for themselves. It splits the votes up in so many ways if enough people go through with it, and then the baddies can lump an extra vote or two on one of their teammates and get the reward/prize themselves.

Linki: YOU DID IT AGAIN! YOU ARE A BAD MOTHER AND SHOULD FEEL ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!!!

*voting BWT*

I don't think I will ever randomize again :/ So sorry Dom!

Not much time left and I needed to vote. I randomized and got Dom. I promise I won't randomize Day 2.

If Epi did assign roles, I would argue that he made Andrew bad so that he would have a team to talk to and help him along his way, not that Epi would make his a civ b/c he is young.

BUT ALAS!!! This quote is from sign-ups.....

Epignosis wrote:All roles have been randomly distributed. If you did not get a role and you were expecting one, let me know.

The thread is open.

May the force be...

Wait...don't know why I said that.

Andrew (despite his age) could be bad or could be good. I don't think anyone should have any preconceived ideas about what team he is on because of his age. I trust that Kate knows if her son is ready to play or not.

With that said...let's stop talking about Andrew as if he isn't a part of this thread. Let treat him with dignity and respect. There are several other players to talk about. If we let the SVS/Llama rival destract us, discussion will not happen and we will not have any suspects. So...to all of you just sitting back and watching the drama, please speak up, talk, let's get a baddie today. I know it barely EVER happens, but let's try.

I'm trying to think like Epi. Who should I vote for in order to receive a prize? Or...does the person with the most votes receive a prize? Or...both? Maybe there is a specific player chosen and whoever votes for that player gets a prize along with the player with the most votes. I'm voting TH.

I'm more excited this if I were ridin' a gravy train on biscuit wheels! This game ought to be funner than chuckin' rocks at a sign.