The Syndicate

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote:My little breakdown was sincere though. I did have a lot of time on my hands for this game and I was doing ISOs for the first time really and "helping" and I was still looked at b/c of a conversation that BR and LC had in bed? I was a little upset at that.

When did LC discuss his pillow talk?

Maybe I imagined it, but I thought he said he and Black Rock were discussing my choice of alignment "last night in bed".

Turnip Head wrote:Elo You tricked me! I thought you were civ for sure! Well played and I'll remember not to trust my read of you in the future

Thanks Turnip Head! I think I can play well, civ or baddie, when its a small vanilla game like this was. I think I might stick to speed games from now on. I just don't really enjoy the big games.

My little breakdown was sincere though. I did have a lot of time on my hands for this game and I was doing ISOs for the first time really and "helping" and I was still looked at b/c of a conversation that BR and LC had in bed? I was a little upset at that.

Thanks, LC. I hope you're not sore.

Nevermind, I am getting the two robbers mixed up.

linki...yes, fail

Scotty wrote:We hurt 'em real good this time, didn't we Marv?
No good for nothing kid took advantage of us THIS time!

Sure did Harry, we did good. And I kept all my hair this time around

MUAH HA HA HA HA!

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:

sprityo wrote:One last thing

I've just kinda felt....alone and targeted this whole game, but whatever, circumstances and things happen

In what way? You haven't been nightkill-targeted, and you haven't been a major lynch candidate.

Is this your first game?

No, just my first in a while.

Sorry, I meant that for sprit. I was thinking, maybe if this was his first game and he was bad along with a non-participant, maybe that's why he felt alone and targeted.

Long Con wrote:

sprityo wrote:One last thing

I've just kinda felt....alone and targeted this whole game, but whatever, circumstances and things happen

In what way? You haven't been nightkill-targeted, and you haven't been a major lynch candidate.

Is this your first game?

I've been waiting on Sprit to show but its getting close to time and with dinner and clean-up I don;t want to miss the vote. I am placing my vote on Sprit for now at least, but it will probably stay. I think he is guilty of being a bandit.

DFaraday wrote:What just happened? Would I have been modkilled if I hadn't posted earlier?

Elohcin wrote:Okay, I am done working out. Horton only gives us 15 second breaks and not many of them :P Epi got me some weights for Christmas and its amazing at the difference 6 lbs can make But it feels good to be getting back to the diet and exercise after so much indulging.

As for the game....

I really hope Enri was one of the baddies. I want to believe DF in his role claim as I said he is probably civ before. But there is a bit of doubt as he is now coming back after not participating much. DF, can you explain what has kept you away?

LC is still being very vague about who he is, but it asking everyone else who they are. I don't know what to think about this.

Sprit is still the one I am looking at for now though. The day is closing in on us. We need to get this right.

The last few days I've had a lot of Christmas stuff going on, and any Mafia energy was directed towards Star Wars. I intend to be present for the rest of this game though.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Sprit to make sure I don't miss the vote.

This is what I thought to be the circumstances as I believe it was Scotty that kept saying you were begin active in another game but not here. And if no one comes out questioning your role claim, then I think I am able to trust you.

Okay, I am done working out. Horton only gives us 15 second breaks and not many of them :P Epi got me some weights for Christmas and its amazing at the difference 6 lbs can make But it feels good to be getting back to the diet and exercise after so much indulging.

As for the game....

I really hope Enri was one of the baddies. I want to believe DF in his role claim as I said he is probably civ before. But there is a bit of doubt as he is now coming back after not participating much. DF, can you explain what has kept you away?

LC is still being very vague about who he is, but it asking everyone else who they are. I don't know what to think about this.

Sprit is still the one I am looking at for now though. The day is closing in on us. We need to get this right.

Scotty wrote:@Elo, what role are you, if I may ask?

Peter. But thats all I have time to say atm. I need to keep working out.

Looks like there has been a lot going on today. I've been building legos and what not. Now its time to work out. But I will be back in close to an hour to really respond to how I am thinking about all this.

For anyone that reads Scotty's ISO of me, please go back and read me yourself. I tell ya, that boy knows how to twist some words.

RIP Drac. Hate we lost you, of course. I really wish you hadn't outed yourself. 4 vs 2, we can still do this.

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I don't see why any baddies would try to get their teammate lynched for street cred in this game. In other games where there are 3, 4, or even 5 baddies in the game, yes, but not here where there are only two baddies. I would think they would want to stay alive so they can have as many votes as possible, right?

Why would I be to blame if there is no death? I'm confused as to what your thoughts are on this.

Draco, Draco, Draco!!! Why would you out yourself man? No game of Epi's that I have ever played allows self targeting. How do you expect to like through the night? SMH!

WHats up with not seeing linkies.

*sigh* RIP Llama. I really thought he was acting out of character for his civ self. And apparently several others agreed :/ Frustrating.

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:This is so stupid. I was being so helpful, active, and I still get looked at like I'm a baddie. I am convinced that no matter what I do in a mafia game, I will be looked at as a baddie. Whatever. Who cares anymore. Cause I know others will follow LC and Drac on this. It's how it goes for me. I seriously may stop playing mafia b/c the only way I can last a good length of time in a game is by not saying much at all. Then I eventually get lynched for not saying much at all. I need to leave the syndicate as Elohcin and change my name then come back and have no one know who I am. I think that's the only way I an get you all to stop suspecting me for stupid crap. *throws hands up in the air*

Chill out, sistah! No one has voted for you. The person you want lynched looks like he's getting lynched. All's well in your world if he's a baddie. Even if he's not, it's not the end of the world for you. YOU ARE FREAKING OUT!

This is so stupid. I was being so helpful, active, and I still get looked at like I'm a baddie. I am convinced that no matter what I do in a mafia game, I will be looked at as a baddie. Whatever. Who cares anymore. Cause I know others will follow LC and Drac on this. It's how it goes for me. I seriously may stop playing mafia b/c the only way I can last a good length of time in a game is by not saying much at all. Then I eventually get lynched for not saying much at all. I need to leave the syndicate as Elohcin and change my name then come back and have no one know who I am. I think that's the only way I an get you all to stop suspecting me for stupid crap. *throws hands up in the air*

Long Con wrote:Elohcin's responses surprised me. I didn't think I was making a case against her, I was just clarifying my earlier misconception that Epi would have most likely given her a Civ role. I felt she was needlessly defensive about it.

Sorry, I read it as a case against me and I am used to being told I must defend myself again suspicions or I look bad.

Long Con wrote:I'm going to vote for Llama now, there have been several pings against him for me and I'm willing to give it a try.

He's my #1 suspect as well. I guess I will go ahead and vote too. *llama*

Well, normally when you are trying to build a case on someone its so that you can try to get them lynched. Let me guess, you were just testing my reactions and you really don't feel the way you posted.

I'm onto you buddy boy!

Who are you really looking at to lynch today? I only have a little bit of time at the moment while I wait on my cakes to cool. But I will be back for sure later after the cupcakes and birthday cake for Jesus is done.

well, LC, to reply to your thoughts....I may seem happier this game. There are several reasons for it. This is a vanilla game. I can get my head around it and it makes sense. Heck, even the NKed roles are being revealed and I think that it is awesome. Second, its a small game. Right off the bat I can keep up in the thread, I can remember who said what. Third, my stress level this week is NIL. I have no teaching to do (homeschool Christmas break WOOT!). The only cake order I have are one dozen undecorated vanilla cupcakes with cream cheese frosting whicih I could do in my sleep an within an hour and a halfs time (including cooling time for the cupcakes). I am happy because I am free. I am so free that I am even quite bored and am probably in the thread too much waiting for someone to say something I can respond to. So I probably look eager and happy this time around, but that doesn't mean I am a baddie. I highly suggest you look elsewhere b/c you will be disappointed with the result if you lynch me. I'm just a civvie having fun in a game for the first time in a while. Let me enjoy the one responsibility I have over the next week and a half (Actually I have others....dishes, laundry, bathing and feeding children....but you get what I'm sayin'.) Seriously though...If I get lynched, I might be a bit pissed. When I am in a huge game and only have enough mind power to read the thread and try to keep up with who said what and who could be who and I don;t "baddie-hunt" I get lynched. Now I am staying on top of things and actually performing the beloved ISOs and totally baddie hunting and you still want to lynch me? C'mon LC! DO I need to make a rainbow list to help you want to keep me?

woah now, Syndicate did not show me Llama's linki. Llama, you have barely been involved. Please, if you think I am bad, build a case on me. And do you still think Enri is bad for the same reasons or do you have more?

I just realized how late it is and we have out Christmas even servince at church in the morning. Then I'll be baking in the afternoon and we are having a special family dinner tomorrow evening. SO....I did open up Rico's posts and this is his most recent, as many of you can see by just going up a few posts. He makes some bold accusations in it. Perhaps he knew what he was talking about and the baddies got scared. Would the baddies be so stupid to do that?

Ricochet wrote:

Scotty wrote:Yo @Elo, i wanna know who your lead running back is in suspicion today.
And @Rico, which scenario among the ones you listed sounds more plausible?

Firstly, gut tells me with close to full certainty the two bandits are spread among the D2 vote/non-vote camps.

Secondly, as far as the camps go, gut further tells me, but with much less certainty, one bandit could be AWOL in the thread and the other is located either on the safe side of voting (i.e. not mislynching civilians) or in the eye of the storm. For me the camps are just too mixed and individually numerous (3/4 debateably low-posters overall or 3 MM voters or 3 non-MM voters).

Of the MM voters, I slightly suspect Draco. Sorry, Draco, but what you said now doesn't show up in the chronology of your posts like that. MM specifically asked you to reconsider, you said you would be looking at other options, and then you left it dead. If Elohcin and/or LC are bad, so far they're playing me - well, maybe LC would still have a slight edge as a possible trickster, with all his strategy talk, but it's nothing major.

Draco, you expected a better Day phase from Enrique and he instead missed out on it. Tell me what you think of him now, as a result of this.

Of the Enrique voters, I'd say 60-40 between Llama and you being bad, but only for what I said about Llama being likely to tell us in our face that we're doing a bad thing lynching a player he'd be aware, as bandit, that he'll flip civilian - cred gain. You are not giving me bad vibes so far, so please don't be bad.

I talked about sprityo already, that's pretty much how I feel about his vote post.

Between DFaraday and Enrique, I think both made legit missteps (DF voting, Enrique light wagoning on D1). If either of them are civilian and can't really play, I'd expect perhaps to ask for replacement - but I suppose there is such a thing as uncooperative civilians.

His suspicions seem to lie with Drac and Llama. I know Drac has begun to step up and talk more. I would like to hear from llama. I will try to pop in tomorrow enough to read defenses and vote.

Looks like MM has been removed. I like the simplicity of this game.

Okay, so why Rico? I'm going to read his Day 2 Night 2 posts and see what I can find out. RIP Rico

Scotty wrote:

Elohcin wrote: I suppose after doing these ISOs, even though they were quick and easy, I think DF is probably not bad. I think he seems like a civ who just doesn't care about the game he said he would play. I know this happens. I think Sprityo is more likely to be bad. He is not absent but lying low. He is careful not to give his opinions but only recap.

You voted for him Day 1 for self-voting, and he never explained his position, so we're just presupposing his intentions at this point. To the lay observer, it would appear he just isn't invested, which is understandable. But it could be the blendiest way to blend as well. It's like saying 'honey, I'm running to the store' and returning home 4 days later sporting a bloody lip, cowboy boots and a cape, while apologizing with, 'sorry I ran into traffic'. And we're supposed to go, 'oh of course, dinner's ready!' Like, I want to believe that he's just busy, but he's still been ACTIVE on the site elsewhere. Like wtf.

Sprityo has started contributing as of day 2, but only the minimal amount, which tells me that he is indeed playing the game, but not to the extent that has laid into anyone. Meaning he hasn't gotten on anyone's bad side as of yet; pretty safe.

I understand what you're saying about DF. I've also seen players sign up and just not play and then turn out to be civs. It really could go either way. If he is really invested in this other game he is playing, maybe he doesn't want o wrap his mind around both. Like I said, could be either or. As for Sprit, don't you think that its weird that he is now getting involved but isn't stating any of his own opinions but only recapping what has gone on like none of the rest of us have been here?

I'm taking a break from ISOs for now. I want to hear what others think of what I have said so far. But I'll let you know.

Actually....what do you think of the ISOs I did already?

Now I feel like I need to do an ISO on Drac b/c he is seeming quite shady after reading Rico's post about him and after seeing what I saw of his posts while reading Scotty.

Scotty -

37 posts.

Day 0 - Right off the bat, he seems to claim the role of Buzz but could be just joking around since it was Day 0 and because other posts he had on this day were jokey. He acts surprised at Wilgy's vote for MM.

Day 1 - He starts out his first post on this day with the words, "All joking aside." He says he wants to hear from some people and then exclaims that his only ping is Wilgy for voting MM. Does this mean he knows MM was good? Dr. Wilgy's post surely suggest that he and MM were on opposite alignments, but we've found that they were both civ. So I am having a hard time wrapping my mind around what was going on in Wilgy and Scotty's heads at this time.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:MM is my friend but we must duel to the death, so him

PULL

Whaaaaaa? A game in which you and MM don't declare teammates on each other? Blashpemy.

Scotty wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Lol, why did I ping? I am MM's friend this is true, but we must fight to the death for the greater good. Only one shall be left standing!

Why is that the case?

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Like me, Scotty doesn't understand LC wanting to withhold info.

He thinks DF vote for himself is just a placeholder but says if DF doesn't come back soon, he might think otherwise.

Is concerned by low posters

Votes Wilgy for being the first on his radar.

Night 1 - Talks mostly about the peek.

Day 2 -
Excited for no death and thinks it's more likely the Doctor has something to do with it than a missed PM.

Thinks withholding info from thread is not a good idea.

Wants to hear from DF, Drac, Sprit, and Llama. But also mentions a suspicion on Enri b/c of a drive by vote and then being absent.

Talks with Drac about Enri.

Has a back and forth with MM a bit about knowing if MM is telling the truth or lying. Then the same with LC and not being able to tell if his post thoughts are true or fake.

Scotty then mentions DF again and wonders why he isn't posting/responding. And he then mentions that he is unsure about his thoughts on MM.

Again says DF is a top suspect b/c he knows he is active elsewhere on the syndicate. Also suspicions of Enri but feels better by Sprit's coming into the thread (even though all he did imo is recap )

Lastly Scotty goes against Drac. He also recaps his suspicions and how they haven't changed much. He says lack of participation is bringing us down.


Whew, that was a long ISO for me. Um, nothing really elaborately pings me. Scotty seems like a misguided civ maybe. Not that I disagree with all that he has to say, but something things are a little off imo. I don't understand what was going through his mind in the MM/Wilgy situation. As I read back through it, if I didn't know better, I would still think the wilgy was trying his hardest to tell us that MM was bad. And that Scotty was unsure of that make me a little unsure of him. But then again, he was the one who was right. So, I don't know. I would love to hear other opinions on this ISO.

Okay, so since I took a look at Lllama, I thought it only fair to look at the others whose names I called out.

DFaraday - only two posts all game. One is a Day 0 vote post, the other is him slightly defending llama.

Sprityo - only six posts all game. Checked in for Day 0 and voted. But then he somehow seems shocked when he misses the entire Day 1. He posts twice on Day 2, but his second post is an extension of his first. All he does is pretty much recap everything that's already been said/gone on and gives no opinion on anything.

I suppose after doing these ISOs, even though they were quick and easy, I think DF is probably not bad. I think he seems like a civ who just doesn't care about the game he said he would play. I know this happens. I think Sprityo is more likely to be bad. He is not absent but lying low. He is careful not to give his opinions but only recap.

Next is Scotty. I presume his will take a little longer so I will post this and then go on to him.

Llama has only 12 posts. His Day 0 posts are jokey. His Day 1 posts say that Enri is the way to vote b/c he quickly hopped on Scotty which would be the "easy vote" that day. Then he missed the vote. On Day 2, he voted pretty early n for Enri.

8:18 am -

thellama73 wrote:Well, I have another busy day today, so I'm going to vote Enrique before I forget. I hope people don't take Metalmarsh too seriously. He is just that way.

He mentions MM here in a way that can be seen as him trying to get civ cred if MM is to be lynched.

His next post says that he likes LC's secretive play-style this game.

And then the rest of his posts are him figuring out the Drac is Devin.

I think the fact that he's been tunneling Enri and that he's been lying pretty low is enough to vote for Llama. I would like to hear from him and hear what others think about this too before I vote though.

Scotty wrote:Yo @Elo, i wanna know who your lead running back is in suspicion today.

Draconus wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Damn. Sorry, MM.

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Marsh! Ok, Scotty and Llama are my top suspects now. Baddies knew Metalmarsh was going to flip Civ, and avoided voting him. Llama already said he's going after Metalmarsh voters if he flipped Civ.

Unfortunately, I feel it could be anyone; the bandits may have even gone different ways. Eloh, you and I were pretty determined to test the red peek. Draco said he'd consider other options just as much, but then I don't even recall him coming back till EoD. As you say, Scotty and llama could have easily distanced: Scotty locked on Enrique pretty quick; Llama could have cooked for us the "I told you so" speech, but right now I'm not feeling it entirely. Sprityo's take on MM was kinda lax and he "took interest" in voting Scotty for unstated reasons. Then there's DFaraday and Enrique, who missed the Day completely.

The way we've been playing, the bandits could have hidden on either of these three paths.

I did consider other options. But the only option that might have saved MM was Enrique, and I felt MM was more likely bad than Enrique. Also, I wanted to give Enrique a chance to live past Day 1 in one of these heists

I feel this is a very good summary and Drac sounds pretty genuine here as well. Reading this, I think it would be either a Scotty/Llama team or perhaps Sprit/DF team. Or shoot, maybe Llama/DF. I don't know but I am thinking that I might be looking at Llama today. I know Scotty voted Enri first, but Llama voted for him and has been quite absent in the thread. I think we are dealing with at least one baddie who is lying low and Llama has that going for his case. I will reread him. What does everyone else think?

Long Con wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Long Con wrote:Ok, fair enough. 24-hour days and thread silence doesn't work for that line of thinking, that's true. I think that the Mafia deliberately didn't kill anyone in order to lead us on a wild goose chase against low posters.

I also think that DrWilgy "red peeked" Metalmarsh and voted for him. It's not the strategy that everyone would use, but I think it's logical enough for him to go after MM right away just in case he got nightkilled early, there would then be a record of his info played out in a Day 1 vote, if nothing else. So I'm going to vote Metalmarsh at this time.

Furthermore, it's likely that the other Wet Bandit would try to steer the thread away from focusing on MM, so your post that doesn't suspect him at all follows that logic. So you're my other main suspect at this time.

That's where I'm at right now.

Are these your real or fake thoughts

A little of both, actually.

I know this is anti-civ, but as a civ who thinks you are a civ too, I kind-of want to lynch you for this

Long Con wrote:Ok, fair enough. 24-hour days and thread silence doesn't work for that line of thinking, that's true. I think that the Mafia deliberately didn't kill anyone in order to lead us on a wild goose chase against low posters.

I also think that DrWilgy "red peeked" Metalmarsh and voted for him. It's not the strategy that everyone would use, but I think it's logical enough for him to go after MM right away just in case he got nightkilled early, there would then be a record of his info played out in a Day 1 vote, if nothing else. So I'm going to vote Metalmarsh at this time.

Furthermore, it's likely that the other Wet Bandit would try to steer the thread away from focusing on MM, so your post that doesn't suspect him at all follows that logic. So you're my other main suspect at this time.

That's where I'm at right now.

Are these your real or fake thoughts

Either way, I have to agree that the MM/Wilgy situation gives us the most reliable suspicion thus far. Unless something new and revealing pops up, I will be placing my vote on MM as well.

Epignosis wrote:

Ricochet wrote:Host: Does the Cop receive a random D0 peek? Also, can he receive a D0 peek of any kind or only a civilian one?

4) Kevin will peek before Day 1 begins. On ensuing night periods, the cop may select another player to role-check.

So this means that there could be reason behind Wilgy's vote for MM, meaning he got a peak of MM and saw he was bad. Or it could be that he saw a peak of someone else, saw they were good, and decided to vote for MM b/c he thought that was the best choice at the time. I am going to read Wilgy and decide which I think is the case.

linki with Scotty - I hadn't thought of that...peeking at BTSC. I have had a role like that before, so that might have been the case too.

I can't believe Kevin was lynched on Day 1!!!

okay...it's time to vote. I guess I will vote DF for voting himself. I really have nothing to go on, and LC has sufficiently explained himself. Except, I would like to know the other type of reason there may be other than game-related and personal.

I didn't vote around 4pm like I said I would. I was getting things ready for guests and didn't have a chance to get back here. But my guests are gone and I have a few minutes to catch up. I will post/vote in a little bit.

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm not withholding any information.

Long Con wrote: my reasons for voting Scotty are my own for now

You got some 'splainin to do or I am voting you come 4pm. What does that even mean, your reasons are your own? If it's game-related, then they might be reasons for all of use. If it's personal, then I doubt that you should be having them.

Scotty wrote:
Are we attending the same dinner party?

I doubt it But if we involve skype, we could turn two dinner parties into one.

thellama73 wrote:

Ricochet wrote:

Long Con wrote:

Scotty wrote:God I hate Kevin. I wish I could feed him to my tarantula

So you are saying you're Buzz. Interesting. Let's see if the votes are truly moveable. Scotty

Same question as to llama. Any reason to suspect Scotty for foul claiming?

It's way too early for me to say I really suspect Scotty. I was just testing his response.

Thanks for the clarification.

@LC - I too am interested in why you would like to withhold information.

@Scotty - I can understand not wanting to be lynched Day 1, but what specific ""reasons"" do you have and why do you put that in quotes?

Also, like Scotty, I will be hosting a dinner party this evening and will be unavailable EoD. I have to vote around 4pm, so let's get talking people.

Ricochet wrote:
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Elohcin wrote:HI guys. Sorry I am just now checking in. I know I missed all of Day 0. But as you saw, our day has been super nutty.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hi everybody! Why does Scotty hate Kevin? Is he a baddie?

How you feel about your family is a complicated thing.

This is so true.

I don't have any pings yet, but Llama seems to be fishing hard with his nit-picking eyes. What do you all think?

I'd classify it as mellow on the Llama Loony Fishing Spectrum. Do you feel civvie llama would be zanier or more predictable with his first eyeballs?

I wouldn't call him mellow. I would expect more predictable with his first eyeballs. Kind-of seemed like he was waiting for someone to bite on one of his eyes and make a suspicion out of it. But I could be wrong.

HI guys. Sorry I am just now checking in. I know I missed all of Day 0. But as you saw, our day has been super nutty.

Long Con wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hi everybody! Why does Scotty hate Kevin? Is he a baddie?

How you feel about your family is a complicated thing.

This is so true.

I don't have any pings yet, but Llama seems to be fishing hard with his nit-picking eyes. What do you all think?