The Syndicate

Not if we killed her Night 2!!! I should have fought for what I thought we should do instead of folding so easily.

Sorsha wrote:From the baddie chat:

Elohcin:
I would be down with killing sorsha. She goes after me every game we are in together.


Um... What? And when was this?

This was after I I suggested killing SD. Wilgy anted to kill you instead. And yes, from my recollection, you go after me every game we're in together.

Epignosis wrote:I wanted to lynch my wife so bad. Too bad I wasn't playing.

I didn't play that horibly :P You just knew I was bad.

And I would like to state for the record that I wanted to kill SpaceDaisy on Night 2!!

Turnip Head wrote:

Elohcin wrote:What if Sloonei and SD are the baddies and SD is just doing a great job at making you think she is the cop? I think this is a possible scenario.

In that case we can afford one mislynch before LyLo. My preferred order would be Sloonei (who you think will flip bad regardless), and then you, and then if you flip civilian we can lynch Daisy the next day and still win.

*thumbs up* Good thing civs win with their team, dead or alive.

What if Sloonei and SD are the baddies and SD is just doing a great job at making you think she is the cop? I think this is a possible scenario.

Yes, Sloon. You replaced in meaning you you expect to be able to play and then you were so quiet and making excuses for not reading the thread. I just don't buy it. I figure you replaced in and were shocked to get a baddie role and then had to take a step back to evaluate. In fact, I am going to go ahead and place my vote on you.

Turnip Head wrote:In any case I know who the baddies are, if I'm right about the cop. The only question is which one to lynch first.

I am not 100% sure who the last two are, but I can guess that Sloonei is one and I would vote for him today.

TH, why do you think the cop checked you last night?

MP, I am sad to see you go. But, I think you were successful in your mission to keep the cop alive Go you!

It just occurred to me that it would be easy for baddies to claim cop as they will not be killed for it. Not that anyone is talking of moving votes, but this "lightbulb" makes me happier than before about where my vote is.

I think you are right TH. Even though I think MP is civ, he's been all over the place the past couple of days.

Turnip Head wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Thanks, TH. You are quite a lot of fun to play with, especially in BTSC (but its been a while since that's happened). And, I like that you're always in tune with what's going on and you make your points clear. Next time we all get together you will have to make a way to join us. I am really hoping we can all get together this summer. I say a Syndicate beach trip is long overdue.

That sounds like a lot of fun

If you really think so, go into the meet-up thread and look at what I've found and vote in the poll. If we are going to do this, we have to get a move on it. SOOO many places are already booked for the summer. There are not many left.

And why would you think I was bad b/c I didn't talk about your green peek on me?

What are you talking about MP? I have engaged with you plenty about your thoughts for me. We've conversed, I've answered your questions. And when you said you had a green peek on me, why would I need to respond to that? Whether or not your peek is true, the fact that I am a green peek to whoever the cop is, is true. What would I need to say to that?

Spacedaisy wrote:Thank you! Have I ever mentioned how much I enjoy playing with you? If not, then I am now.

Awe, thanks so much. That means a lot

Here is my revised list Daisy. Let me know if you have any questions. I even colored it for MP

Eloh
TH
MP
SD
Sloonei
Love
G
Llama
Wilgy

Spacedaisy wrote:Could you refresh me? Who are your top three suspects right now?

You are the only one of the three who discussed me prior to this, so I don't think I have any questions for you. You're right I have been back and forth on you. Because I have a difficult time reading you over all.

All you gotta do is look at my in-topic. I even made a list for ya. I gotta go eat. But I will address it when I get back if you are still needing me to do so.

If you have any specific questions, I'd be glad to answer them though.

SPacedaisy, you know me. I keep the game open at all times. I am not lurking. I don't what to say to convince you. You've gone back and forth on me all game. I have given who I think is bad already. I have been very transparent and truthful.

Turnip Head wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:I would vote for you first and her second. In short I don't believe your cop claim anymore. It makes no sense. I have a group of about four people that I feel certain contain the entire baddie team, with one additional one who may be fooling me, but I highly doubt it. You and she are both in that group. So if you are civ, she is definitely not. But I don't believe you are and I doubt she is either. I think you are both bad.

What part makes no sense?

Even if you're the cop I don't believe you have a red peek on Elo. The beginning of toDay would have looked a lot different if you did.

Agreed

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, this gambit has served its purpose, seems Wilgy has dug his own bad guy grave.

I'm not the cop. My claim is absolutely false.

Did we switch to ping-pong? You are fun to play with this game. (I'm not saying you aren't always fun to play with. But in this one, you're particularly fun.)

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Its so funny that you say this because I don't really like writing RIP posts. Almost everyone does it and its just repeated over and over throughout the beginning of each day. Its kind of like the million "Happy Birthday!" posts you get on facebook on your birthday. It's like...if you don't have anything personal to say, then I guess we don't really know each other that well, so what's the point? So as I was writing this post, I was feeling like, gosh this is so stupid to write, but everyone else will and if I don't, they'll think I'm bad. SO I have to write it and add some flavor. AND THEN, you totally read what I was thinking as I wrote it. I must be very transparent.

I scanned Elohcin's and llama's posts to see what I can make of them. Llama's participation has been light, but nothing has set off alarms. There's not really enough for me to make a judgment either way. The above section of Eloh's post is the most immediately concerning thing I found in either of their post histories. It seems that Elohcin is justifying a post that she knew was pointless by saying that she simply made it to avoid being perceived as bad, which is something I would think only a baddie would feel compelled to do.
However, it is not lost on me that Eloh is MP's Night 0 green peek, so if we are to trust his claim then we are to trust Elohcin.

Dude, do you know me? Have you played with me before? I can fart and say excuse me and someone will think I am bad for it. So even when I am civ I am MAJORLY paranoid that I will do something to make someone think I am bad. Thoughts like what I posted above are constantly going through my mind when I play mafia....bad or civ. Thanks for tryin' though. It makes me feel better about you that you are trying.

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I usually wait until EoD to vote but it looks like we are pretty much all in agreement here about Wilgy. SO I might as well place my vote. If he doesn't turn out bad, I am looking to Llama next though and it has nothing to do with him looking at me.

Why Llama?

Have you not been reading my posts?

not with any clarity, no. I have better success when I am actually engaging/being engaged in conversation with people. Could you give me the short version?

He's not really pursuing the lynches of baddies imo. He seems to be coasting.

Linki - funny funny Sloon.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Spoiler: show

Elohcin wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Welp.

Welp what?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

No no....you can't do that. You denounced being the cop, now you're claiming again?

Turnip Head wrote:MP, do you wanna talk about G-Michael? Have you read his ISO lately? He was following Wilgy's vote around most of yesterDay, only he wasn't posting to go along with it, so it's not on the record at all. They both had their votes on Mother and then they both had their votes on Elohcin, at a time when Wilgy was leading the pack with 3 votes. Once I brought it up Wilgy moved to MM and G-Michael switched to Llama, again without saying a word.

This is interesting, but I doubt they would be so careless.

If I were to suspect G-Man it would be b/c he seems to be hiding behind his roleplaying and not baddie hunting.

This is my list of most trusted to least trusted. Llama and Wilgy are together b/c I feel the same about them. But, I think if one is good, then the other is likely bad and vise versa. I don't see them as teammates.

Eloh
TH
MP
Sloonei
Love
SD
G
Llama/Wilgy

Hello, Elo!

Of course, I can do that. Why can't I? You think I wanted to be NKed last night before I could nab a red peek? Surely not!

Why do you think either Llama or Wilgy is bad, but not both?

Can you explain your non-rainbow-colored list of most to least trust? Specifically, why do you trust Sloonei 2.0 more than those below him? Why do you trust lovedelic more than Daisy? Is there anything more to your thoughts on G-Man other than what you said here? Can you elaborate upon your Llama and Wilgy thoughts?

Thanks!

I guess you are right about the cop thing. I never saw it from that angle. You are smart

Yes, I can explain my rainbow list. I was trusting Sloon more than Love and Daisy yesterday when I wrote it and I am not as sure now. He is being all "I dunno what's goin' on". And I don't like it. Why replace in and not pay attention? Sounds like he replaced in as bad and is playing dumb. What do you think about that theory? Oh and why I don't think Llama and Wilgy would be teammates...I wish I could remember the specific thing, but someone (probably TH) tried to make a point where they COULD be teammates. And in his recollection of events, llama and wilgy acted in some way to make him think they could be teammates. I, however, thought llama was too smart to have made such a move and so I thought they could not be teammates b/c of those actions. If you cannot remember what I am talking about either, I would be happy to go back and try to find it.

And no, no more thoughts to G-man. I think he is having fun with the game, just not sure if he could be hiding behind his role playing. It's making it hard for me to read him.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wilgy, I have to second the opinion that your act is utterly unconvincing. You're like Gene Wilder in the original Willy Wonka movie when he says "No, don't, stop."

"No, you're not the cop, I am." It's the most unenthusiastic counterclaim I've ever seen.

HAHA, I love this!

Sloonei wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I usually wait until EoD to vote but it looks like we are pretty much all in agreement here about Wilgy. SO I might as well place my vote. If he doesn't turn out bad, I am looking to Llama next though and it has nothing to do with him looking at me.

Why Llama?

Have you not been reading my posts?

I usually wait until EoD to vote but it looks like we are pretty much all in agreement here about Wilgy. SO I might as well place my vote. If he doesn't turn out bad, I am looking to Llama next though and it has nothing to do with him looking at me.

DrWilgy wrote:Welp.

Welp what?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Guess what, folks? I'm the cop.

n0 - Elohcin
n1 - Spacedaisy
n2 - DrWilgy

DrWilgy

No no....you can't do that. You denounced being the cop, now you're claiming again?

Turnip Head wrote:MP, do you wanna talk about G-Michael? Have you read his ISO lately? He was following Wilgy's vote around most of yesterDay, only he wasn't posting to go along with it, so it's not on the record at all. They both had their votes on Mother and then they both had their votes on Elohcin, at a time when Wilgy was leading the pack with 3 votes. Once I brought it up Wilgy moved to MM and G-Michael switched to Llama, again without saying a word.

This is interesting, but I doubt they would be so careless.

If I were to suspect G-Man it would be b/c he seems to be hiding behind his roleplaying and not baddie hunting.

This is my list of most trusted to least trusted. Llama and Wilgy are together b/c I feel the same about them. But, I think if one is good, then the other is likely bad and vise versa. I don't see them as teammates.

Eloh
TH
MP
Sloonei
Love
SD
G
Llama/Wilgy

Oh ok, I didn't look to see that you have voted already.

Turnip Head wrote:It is abundantly clear to me that the Doctor needs to be lynched today. You're bad, sista

What do you mean by this, TH. Who are you talking about? And why would we want to lynch the doctor?

RIP Sorsha. Bye Lucille. I hope I'm not out of a job now.

And I've been waiting all night to talk hehe

MovingPictures07 wrote:Elo, your suspicions have seemed relatively opportunistic this Day period. When suspicion seemed to be forming around Daisy, you pushed heat on her, without committing to it. Now since Turnip has thrown some heat on Llama for the posts you highlight there, you now are pushing some heat on Llama, without committing to it.

What gives?

I just gave my opinion on the daisy suspicion is all. And as for giving heat to llama, I actually didn't know TH gave him heat too. I somehow missed a whole bunch of posts and don't know how it happened. I thought I was the first on to bring up llama yesterday
I don't think I am putting heat on people and not committing though. I am just trying to give decsriptions of my observations and put it out there for discussion so I can get feedback. I'm often suspected for tunneling and I don't want to do that this time. When I tunnel, I am usually wrong. So I am just pointing out suspicions here and there and seeing what happens. Maybe a reaction to my suspicion will help me determine who I should actually go after.

I haven't read anything in the past......well since I last posted about llama. So, I only think its fair to vote MM since he voted himself. It drives me nuts when he does that. And...It doesn't leave me breaking any ties.

SO MUCH LINKI

shoot, I have to vote. Why did I think it was later? and here I am priding myself on keeping up an dknowing what's going on. I kept reading how MP would be "back tonight" and assumed later.

I think TH's theory on Wilgy is a good one. I also think that MP's theory on TH is a good one, TH's being slightly stronger than MP's. SO...when I say this next concern, I am not discrediting either theory.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:Think back to what MP was saying about green peeks being cleared by the mafia looking for the cop. The mafia would want to kill a person whose green peek was accurate, because otherwise they would know it's not the real cop. So if the mafia had decided to take out DrWilgy thinking he was the cop, there would be no downside to killing him... because even if he wasn't the cop, his green peek (Sloonei) was already dead. Ergo, no one alive would be "Seer Hunt Cleared" (seer = cop).

There's really no reason for them not to kill Wilgy last night unless he's bad or it's an elaborate frame job.

Reread your posts, TH, and this is an excellent point!

I'm sold for now, but if you are wrong, I'm coming after you next. I'm wary of thread-steering.

thellama73 wrote:MP, I am similarly nervous about TH, but I am willing to give him a day to see how his Wilgy suspicion turns out.

Llama comes in and says, Yo, I agree with TH and Yo, I agree with MP. Then he gives nothing else. Is he busy? Is he engaged in another game which has more of his attention? Is he bad and not caring about doing any baddie hunting? I don't know. But its something to consider as well. If you're civ, llama....help out your team, yo.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:and what about the rest of my playing that doesn't have anything to do with my thoughts on you? what do you think of me in light of all the other posts I've made that don't talk about you?

Well Gene, I feel like you are trying very hard.

Nope. Just having fun in this small, vanilla mafia game. SOOOOOOO much funner (yes I know funner is not a word) than a big game where I always feel lost.

and what about the rest of my playing that doesn't have anything to do with my thoughts on you? what do you think of me in light of all the other posts I've made that don't talk about you?

I read Wilgy as I said I would. I read him as his normal self. His posts were mostly on topic but playful and a bit here and there. He goes back and forth on suspecting llama but it all seems a bit for show.

Then he says, "back on elo, or I could vote for llama....." when he never even mentioned me before that. Perhaps he voted for me without saying anything, then switched his vote, then posted that?! No clue.

He didn't like that llama and I voted for the person who voted no lynch. He said new guys will often opt for no lynch. I, of course didn't know lovedelic was new at the time. And I guess Wilgy is from another site where the no lynch option is a norm.

Next he comes out with his character by responding to SD's post about her coming out with her character. He is apparently Maeby's mom/Tobias' wife. I cannot remember her name from the show.

His most recent post was off-topic and was posted yesterday (real time). He's not been in today.

None of this sticks out as suspicious to me, so I feel like it got me no where to read it. He doesn't seem to be particularly helping the town either. It tells me that he could be good, he could be mafia.

Thoughts?

Thank you G!

Getting ready to go look at wilgy, but I'd like as ask SD why she's voted for me. SD, you state that you find me suspicious and that it might be b/c I found you suspicious. That doesn't seem like a good reason and especially not reason enough to cast a vote on me. I just don't really understand your gameplay this time around. I'm not saying that it pings me and makes me think you're bad. But it does make me wonder what you're up to. Its as if your vote is a defensive tactic.

linki with llama. I agree with you. I cannot even begin to understand G-man's posts b/c he is taking the role-playing so seriously. I have no clue who is is talking about more than half the time. I am beginning to wonder if he is hiding behind the role-playing. DO you think that's a possibility for G-man?

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote: I was only talking about the no lynch vote.

That's my mistake then. I misread what you meant.

Its mostly my fault. I said "all". Ask Epi, I am a bit of an exaggerator. Did you know I can do anything in "2 seconds"?

ooo, I got caught up in answering Llama's post that I forgot to post this one. The tab was just open on my comp

Turnip Head wrote:Think back to what MP was saying about green peeks being cleared by the mafia looking for the cop. The mafia would want to kill a person whose green peek was accurate, because otherwise they would know it's not the real cop. So if the mafia had decided to take out DrWilgy thinking he was the cop, there would be no downside to killing him... because even if he wasn't the cop, his green peek (Sloonei) was already dead. Ergo, no one alive would be "Seer Hunt Cleared" (seer = cop).

There's really no reason for them not to kill Wilgy last night unless he's bad or it's an elaborate frame job.

Turnip Head wrote:Or the baddies just aren't paying attention to what they're doing, I guess Or just really wanted to kill Zebra who had died early in quite a few games recently, including Night 1 in the Champs game, so in that case they're just jerks.

I see your points. And you are right about how it could be this reason, or that reason, or no reason at all even. It's so hard to pin the mafia's motivations sometimes. It's worth looking into though. I know there aren't many pages of posts yet, overall, but I will look bat at Wilgy and see if I can find anything.

Hehe, I go my own linki. And Ricos. And Rico, its not my birthday. It's bloopers! And sadly, I did write "Happy Birthday!!" on her fb page. I was busy doing school with the kids. I'm just all kinds of superficial these days. It's sad.

This is me.

thellama73 wrote:

Turnip Head wrote: Can you point to specific instances of this?

Here are a couple. Her first nine posts were OT. Then:

not true. I would say talking about the game and the theme of the game would be be on topic. I was trying to get my footing on my character. And this was all in the Prolougue phase anyway.

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting lovedelic because "no lynch" is the one option guaranteed not to catch a baddie. Come on!

lovedelic wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I'm voting lovedelic because "no lynch" is the one option guaranteed not to catch a baddie. Come on!

hey, i'm gonna change it! thellama73

This is all suspicious to me, however, don't tell Lucille. *voting lovedelic*

I was only talking about the no lynch vote.

Here she thinks both sides of the debate are suspicious, or at least that's how I read it. Wiishy-washy.

Elohcin wrote:RIP Sloon and Zebra. I'm not sure what to make of the Zebra kill either. But then again, I am not totally sure what is a likely kill this early in the game either.

So after looking up the character, I definitely want to watch more and see Zeebs character in action. I know Mae Whitman from Parenthood

Oh, and do you like my new disguise?

Here is one of those "something happened and I need to comment but have nothing to say" posts.

After that she perked up, so it might not mean anything. Just something I noticed.

Its so funny that you say this because I don't really like writing RIP posts. Almost everyone does it and its just repeated over and over throughout the beginning of each day. Its kind of like the million "Happy Birthday!" posts you get on facebook on your birthday. It's like...if you don't have anything personal to say, then I guess we don't really know each other that well, so what's the point? So as I was writing this post, I was feeling like, gosh this is so stupid to write, but everyone else will and if I don't, they'll think I'm bad. SO I have to write it and add some flavor. AND THEN, you totally read what I was thinking as I wrote it. I must be very transparent.

Turnip Head wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Previously on Arrested Development:

The mafia fail at finding the cop, killing someone who didn't even throw out a green peek.

Suddenly, another manuscript fell out of thin air, containing the following notes:

Ron Howard's voice wrote:List of n0 green peeks:
a2thezebra - N/A
DrWilgy - Sloonei
Elohcin - N/A
G-Man - N/A
lovedelic - N/A
Metalmarsh89 - N/A
MovingPictures07 - Elohcin
Ricochet - thellama73
Sloonei - N/A
Spacedaisy - lovedelic
Sorsha - N/A
thellama73 - N/A
Turnip Head - G-Man

DrWilgy should have been killed last night. If he flipped vanilla, no one would be "Seer Hunt Cleared" because Sloonei was already dead. His peak was the only one confirmed to be 100% true. DrWilgy, as a baddie, stood to gain the most by the mafia taking out a non-cop target.

This post sounds very insightful However I don't understand a word of it. Can you try to explain it a bit better for me? I am not sure what "seer Hunt cleared" means.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Guys, I don't think Spacedaisy is mafia. I was trying to pressure her because I couldn't make sense of her D1 behavior in particular, but I've got a pretty firm read on her now, and I'm feeling confident enough to say that, yeah, I don't think she should be getting votes today.

What changed our mind? And what do you think of her Day i behavior now?

Turnip Head wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:MP, can you explain why you have Elo and G-Man in blue? I have civ vibe from G-Man but not so much from Elo. It might be a knee jerk reaction to her suspecting me last night but I felt like there were two people who jumped on Turnip and MP putting pressure on me last night who seemed opportunistic and their suspicions seemed like reaching or manufacturing. One of those was Elo and the other was Sorsha. I don't know if Turnip legit suspects me or was just applying pressure like MP invited him to do. I don't find Turnip Head suspicious at the moment though.

I'm with you here. I have no reason to feel good about ELoh right now.

Do you have reason to feel bad about her?

I want to know the answer to this too. Y'all are just gonna have to start getting used to a more active Eloh in these small games.

Spacedaisy wrote:

Elohcin wrote:What made you look suspicious to me was that you came in after others had given green peeks and gave yet another one. Kind of like you could have been jumping on the green peek train to try and make yourself look good. Then I thought your explanation of it all seemed a little ingenuine. That's all. Alright...off to bed for me. I am going to hate myself in the morning for being up this late.

I can't control what you think of my explanation or of my peek. But giving a green peek doesn't make someone look good per se, baddies know who is good and who is bad. It is easy for a baddie to give a green peek so I fail to see why giving a green peek would buy me any cred.

It would make you look civ among other civs so they wouldn't want to lynch you. I thought that was obvious.

This doesn't mean I am solely focused on lynching you though. I do plan on looking at others today as well after I finish all my RL duties. You are just my top suspect from Day 1 activity.

What made you look suspicious to me was that you came in after others had given green peeks and gave yet another one. Kind of like you could have been jumping on the green peek train to try and make yourself look good. Then I thought your explanation of it all seemed a little ingenuine. That's all. Alright...off to bed for me. I am going to hate myself in the morning for being up this late.

in my brain*

Turnip Head wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Also, your response to my post is the same response I got in the last game I played.

Yeah, but you were bad in that one And had me completely fooled.

I believe you when you say you're better at these smaller games. I also believe you're better at being bad in them

You are probably right that I was bad. I honestly don't keep that info in my grain after it's over. I couldn't even tell you the name of that game. My mind is constantly having to hold new information for this and that and once its over, I let it go. Same thing with my business. Ask me anything about the cakes I have to do this week and I can tell you -flavors, sizes, decorations. Ask me what I have next week, I have no clue until after Saturday when this week's cakes are complete and I've looked at the order forms for next week so I can make a grocery list.

Its not a great thing that that's how my brain works b/c I cannot say, but hey, remember such-and-such game when I contributed a lot and I was good?