The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:This is what happens when civs act like monkeys bouncing off the walls in the beginning of the game. Just sayin.
Technically speaking. I wasn't civ :P

You weren't the only one.

This is what happens when civs act like monkeys bouncing off the walls in the beginning of the game. Just sayin.

I'm sorry if that comes off angry, but it is frustrating to say one thing and then you claim I am saying the opposite. I say, I don't agree with everything SVS says and this is one of the things I don't agree with (that she thinks niju is civ). And you say, you said you agreed her about Niju being civ. BAH!!!

Sorsha wrote:I'm not lying about anything you said. You said you agreed with this part here:

Elohcin wrote:
Sorsha wrote:So it's logical but you don't agree or what was the point of your post then?
I'm not sure what you would call the main point. This part here is the only thing about Niju. So somehow it made you think I said Niju was civ.

Eloh, I waffle, but gonna say not bad
Ninj, see ^^

Again, I've been pretty much after Niju all game. Rarely are there posts in which I agree with every single word, jot, or tiddle. I'm sure you feel the same. Yet we still quote and comment and sometimes encourage one other by sharing how we think they made a good post.
Which to me reads as SVS saying "I waffle on Eloh but I think she is not bad, I feel the same way about niju" Meaning she thinks the both of you were not bad, but she wasn't sure. And you are saying you agree with that point. But you are saying that you mean niju is bad. So what you are agreeing with and what you are saying you mean are two different things.

DUDE, I said I DIDN"T agree with everything in her post and I was pointing out that THAT was one of them. I'm sorry, but I don;t think you are reading my posts well b/c I think I have been VERY clear. And for that matter, I never said, "I agree with your post SVS" I said it sounded logical. I thought she did a good job writing that post and I wanted to point that out to her. I think I was VERY clear about that as well. YOu are turning it into I agreed with the whole post and I said I think Niju is civ. You are seriously putting words in my mouth and I don't like it.

Sorsha wrote:Well, I want the civs to win so I voted for you.

WHat made you change your vote though. Are you just mad that I called you out on lying about me saying Niju was civ?

Why did you guys move your votes? This is so stupid. You're going to make us lose.

Sorsha wrote:So it's logical but you don't agree or what was the point of your post then?

I'm not sure what you would call the main point. This part here is the only thing about Niju. So somehow it made you think I said Niju was civ.

Eloh, I waffle, but gonna say not bad
Ninj, see ^^

Again, I've been pretty much after Niju all game. Rarely are there posts in which I agree with every single word, jot, or tiddle. I'm sure you feel the same. Yet we still quote and comment and sometimes encourage one other by sharing how we think they made a good post.

I said her post seemed logical. I didn't said I agreed with every word. And I never said, I think Niju is civ. Don't put words in my mouth please.

Sorsha wrote:Eloh you said yesterday you thought niju was civ.

I've been pushing for Niju all game? Whatchu talkin' bought.

Wilgy get your umph back. They killed SVS! vote for Niju!!

S~V~S wrote:So to be clear, you think that Sorsha & Dom are most likely to be bad? How do you feel about Niju & Wilgy?

I still think Niju could be bad. Wilgy is just wilgy. I don't know.

S~V~S wrote:Civs,I would like us to win.

Me too. And let's start with Yubaba. That would be amazing.

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OH NO, bye SVS! @MM, is this a win with your team dead or alive situation?

Sorsha wrote:Well I guess I'll kick this off with a eloh vote.

No guys. NO! I want to avenge SVS's death. Please don't vote me. Sorsha if you think Yubaba has to be me or Niju, vote Niju!! I am voting her right now. I'm telling you, its not me. Please listen.

Oh good you listened.

S~V~S wrote:My gut is telling me Dom & Sorsha. She was the first one to point out the obvious:

Sorsha wrote:
Dom wrote:
G-Man wrote:
Dom wrote:G-Man, this pivot in strategy is... interesting.

Why do you want to find Yububa today and not Kashira?
Because all of us could be Kashira but only four of us could be Yubaba. Aim small, miss small.
What I'm getting from this is you are KAshira.
His own analysis above doesn't even dismiss him as yubaba, it could have been reflected back to him.

I find it interesting that svs was silenced again today when she seemed to be putting the heat on g-man yesterday. And all of a sudden g-man has the time and motivation to do all this work. Seems like a baddie in end-game mode to me.

I'm also looking at eloh who seems to just be lying lower and lower each day.

Not sure if I'd put niju or eloh higher at this point. I have to study their posts and votes before I decide. Same with Dom but I'm pretty sure he would fall behind eloh and niju.
Then Dom picked it up and ran with it. I have thought Dom to be a cute l'il coal critter the whole game based on the first few days, but maybe not so much any more.

GTH:

Dom, Bad
Wilgy, Not Bad
Eloh, I waffle, but gonna say not bad
Ninj, see ^^
Sorsha, Bad

I think this is a good, logical post -worth repeating.

I went ahead and voted Niju. I don't think I have to reiterate my reasons.

I'm glad you were able to re=open it, G.

And Dom, somethin' just don't smell right.

nijuukyugou wrote:
Dom wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:So... Have we noticed the trend of kills?

They keep murking players that keep the former wagons in tact. Baddies are ok with the way things are going and don't want to see a shift.

Niju must be spared today.
Who isn't okay with lynching Nju but you?
*jumps up and raises hand* Me, me! Ooh, pick me!

Dom wrote:Nju, who do you think we should lymch?

Same question for you Elo.
I feel a bit lost, but I do have thoughts.

Regarding myself, I coasted in the first part of the game, resulting in crappy posting and even crappier votes, and enough suspicion on me to garner votes, thus resulting in my having to save myself rather than think as critically as I'd like (resulting in - surprise! More crappy votes). The one day I was taken off the poll late-game, we caught a baddie. I was able to think more rather than think about saving myself.

The last lynch reminded me a lot of a particular day of BoB when the lynch was down to me and Bass, and Bass lost and came up (rather, "Seemed") civ. I was civ (the non-seeming kind). Either way, the baddies were able to make it so they would "win" either way - Bass voters looked bad because it appeared they lynched a civ, and I looked bad because...well, I was the second choice and appeared to be the "right" option versus the lynched civ. Thankfully, I was not lynched the next day, or any other day after that. I guess what I'm saying is last lynch, though with less people, was between two civs, designed to create a win-win for baddies. I'll keep repeating it: I was whisked off the poll the DF lynch day for good reason. Don't screw this up. Don't be duped.

Regarding others that stand out to me (mostly from the last lynch), Eloh's sideways vote for Sorsha in the last lynch looked sketchy as hell, but considering the actual lynch results, not as sketchy as it looked at the time. It was a way to avoid being on either lynch train, which was odd, but it would also be quite a risk to make herself so visible. Still, it's too close to endgame to brush that aside as impossible, especially considering the sketchy DF lynch day, too.

Sorsha's vote change was weird, too, about the same level of sketchy as Eloh. I understand the reasoning behind it (not wanting to spread too much so late), but it's like the opposite kind of sketchy from Eloh - weird, but also draws risky attention. Vote record is slightly better than Eloh's, however.

G-man looks the sketchiest to me thread-wise, especially in conversing with SVS during and after the last lynch. He waffles like crazy, talking himself in and out of voting (and I may be biased, since I was one of the choices and did not want to die), then immediately speculates after the lynch that he thought zebra was Oshira. SVS comments on this weirdness nicely:
S~V~S wrote:
G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Gman "I had her penciled down as raddish bro" but you didn't fight for her?
I didn't want to
Give the baddies any clues
If she was Radish

But you were OK with her being dead, so long as any of the baddies had no clues about her role?

When you & I were talking, I clearly said I was considering a vote for her and you did not try to talk me out of it. You actually said this:

G-Man wrote:
S~V~S wrote:You feel so helpless you don't have an opinion?
I feel helpless 'cause
Both Zebra and Niju are
Just 50-50

I like a little
More certainty when I vote
Even if I'm wrong
Granted, he did vote me instead , but the reasoning with not talking SVS out of it is weird. So weird. More subtly weird than the sketchy votes above, at least IMO, like he was backtracking? Like he was trying to sound/look helpful, but then having it shut down by SVS and Wilgy. Vote record is slightly better than Eloh's, but behavior is weirder and is making me itchy. He nicely avoided the last lynch in the end, too. Hmm...

As for others that don't stand out as much as bad, Dom voted first on zebra, which could be bad, but his going after DF throughout the game looks good. Wilgy acts weird, and I waffle between his being the Stink Spirit and bad (the voting behavior and tone is certainly not civ, or any civ I've ever seen), but he's not giving me the same vibes as those above. SVS has been bear-ified twice. Sure, this could be major baddie team self-targeting, but that seems a little overkill...

Argh. This is aggravating, and I feel like I'm starting to ramble, so I'm gonna stop. At this point, I'm most likely to vote Eloh (for behavior last two votes/vote record throughout the game) or G-man (for behavior stated and votes), followed by Sorsha. The others are tinfoil suspicions to the max. I'm hoping I don't have to try saving myself again, but that's likely, considering the conversations in the thread. But those are my thoughts. I'm gonna go ahead and put a vote on G-Man, after talking myself through that. I'll return at some point, tomorrow for sure, but now I've spent too long on this site and should probably do other things.

Look who's gettin' all involved now that she my be voted for and lynched.

So I know this is an ignorant question, but (you have to understand that I've not really been coherent for the past 4 days. As I said before, a sickness overtook our home and we were all completely out of it, in pain, and sleeping over half the time. We are all finally on the mend, able to eat now a little bit but still coughing our heads off.) how many baddies are left? I am thinking, Niju, Dom, and if there is another, I am going back to my original Wilgy.

DrWilgy wrote:
G-Man wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:Baddie team is Gman and Elo
I think it's Niju
And then either Eloh or
Sorsha as last feb
K then we lynch Elo

I'm civ, dude.

Dom wrote:Nju, who do you think we should lymch?

Same question for you Elo.

Niju.

I just don't know. I am about to take some of brand nyquil here that my loving husband went out to get for me. I haven't had it in over 9 years, so I am not sure what it will do to me. I am going to go ahead and vote sorsha. Maybe my vote will mean nothing, but it's better than picking between those already voted for who I am so unsure of. I've got to be right about Sorsha one of these days.

G-Man wrote:So the remaining
Voters are Eloh and I.
Your thoughts, Elohcin?

I'm dying over here of a horrible fever while all three of my children have fevers as well. Two of us can't eat a thing and all of us cannot even get out of bed/couch.So forgive me if I am a little distant today. I think I would most likely like to vote for Zebra out of the frontrunners. Niju has somewhat convinced me she is just a quiet civ this game. SOMEWHAT. I am very on the fence with it all.

a2thezebra wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Dom wrote:Elo's not on the poll.
**dances a jig**

I'm SHOCKED!! Haha. I guess someone believes in me Woot!!

linki: If I were bad, then I would have made sure you have red. I would have voted for a teammate once I knew they were doomed. Don't ya think?
Whoever believes in you strongly enough to take you off the poll also believes in Niju enough to take her off the poll. I wouldn't be surprised if they're just going with the likely lynch options for the following day.

Why would someone do that?

a2thezebra wrote:A Niju lynch is rubbish. You and LC disagree so I killed LC. Okay.

??

S~V~S wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Dom wrote:Elo's not on the poll.
**dances a jig**

I'm SHOCKED!! Haha. I guess someone believes in me Woot!!

linki: If I were bad, then I would have made sure you have red. I would have voted for a teammate once I knew they were doomed. Don't ya think?
Maybe you did, and they are still alive?

What do you think of Zebra & Niju? I see you voted Niju the other day; do you plan to do so again?

Nah, I would have made sure that my vote was on my teammate if they were going down. That's for sure. Niju may get my vote if she keeps up the same behaviors. What do you think of her this game? Zeebra seems a little wacko this game, no real read yet though. Could go either way.

made sure TO have red.

Dom wrote:Elo's not on the poll.

**dances a jig**

I'm SHOCKED!! Haha. I guess someone believes in me

Woot!!

linki: If I were bad, then I would have made sure you have red. I would have voted for a teammate once I knew they were doomed. Don't ya think?

DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:So... Can I pleaaaaase state that I have solid evidence against Elo now?
Nope, because you don't. Your evidence is not completely solid if you think I'm bad. Your evidence is mostly solid as I have played like shit. BUT, its not completely solid b/c no one can be 100% sure that I'm bad because I'm not.
Who do you recommend we lynch tomorrow Elo?

To be honest, I am unsure. I still think Niju could be bad, but I was wrong about DF, so I hate to even give my opinion. I am in the beginning stages of hosting my first full game and even though it's not difficult, it's time consuming. Since that game started, it has taken a lot of the attention that I was putting on this game.

DrWilgy wrote:So... Can I pleaaaaase state that I have solid evidence against Elo now?

Nope, because you don't. Your evidence is not completely solid if you think I'm bad. Your evidence is mostly solid as I have played like shit. BUT, its not completely solid b/c no one can be 100% sure that I'm bad because I'm not.

haha, I knew this would happen. I just knew it.

lordy zeebs I cannot get a post in without your linki talking abotu how I didn't get a post in

I couldn't wait any longer, I need to get to bed. I am looking forward to seeing the results in the morning and hope we get the right guy.

grr, 4-3. I am not sure I like either option, but I don't want my vote to not mean anything. I want to wait longer, but I also need to get to sleep. Again, GRR!

DFaraday wrote:Eloh needs to vote LC.

I'm not sure about LC, but I don't think you're bad, DF.

nijuukyugou wrote:Why do I make empty promises on this site?

Oh wait - I didn't promise anything. Just hoped I would do the research case-y thing. Hmm, yes. Hmm.

I had more work to do today than I assumed (stupid insomnia last night required a stupid long nap this afternoon, which required me to leave work earlier than usual when I usually do my work) and just finished. I'm going to trivia soon and still need to shower and whatnot. So, maybe I'll be better and take more time for eloquent case-making and -looking another day, but I'm gonna just vote DF for reasons previously stated. Might check back.

No promises, though

What did you do during your state of "stupid insomnia"? You could have played mafia then. Or were you making that delicious looking pie you posted on facebook? I just don;t know about you this game.

raise your hand if you're bad.

yes, most to least.

Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:It was 2/3 when I voted, and I'm sorry, I didn't think Soneji was bad. I am not going to vote for someone I don;t think is bad.
I was just thinking that I would expect a baddie to have avoided the lynch train on civ Soneji, and then I come in and see this post from you, Eloh. Who do you think are the baddies involved in the Soneji lynch, if any?

If I have to rank the Soneji voters, it would be Niju, Sorsha, Wilgy, SVS, then sig.

DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I said we needed to get focused on one player and stop spreading the votes.
This makes 2 players responsible for the dangerous vote spread who have commented on the dangers of vote spreading.

I could get behind a Gman or Eloh vote tomorrow.

WHat are you talking about RESPONSIBLE for the vote spread?! It was 2/3 when I voted, and I'm sorry, I didn't think Soneji was bad. I am not going to vote for someone I don;t think is bad.

Long Con wrote:
Elohcin wrote:I said we needed to get focused on one player and stop spreading the votes.
Hmmm.... looking for Civ cred?

Uh, no. Just a womanly, I told you so

I said we needed to get focused on one player and stop spreading the votes.

S~V~S wrote:You did not actually vote, eloh.

Thanks! I don't know how that happened.

I put my vote on niju for now. I want her to come in and talk.

Sorry, I thought I was clear about sig. No, I don't really suspect him at this time.

S~V~S wrote:Eloh,do you have an opinion on Soneji?

not a strong one.

S~V~S wrote:Thanks Faraday.

I am hoping to see who,if anyone, supports a lynch of sig. Glad to see you do not

You are inquiring a lot about sig and then are glad to see that someone does NOT support his lynch. Do you know something we don't?

DrWilgy wrote:@Eloh, I wouldn't have killed Wilgette if it was my win condition

Wait, what? You wouldn't kill her even if it was a part of your win condition? I'm not sure I understand your statement.

Long Con wrote:
Soneji wrote:My gut feeling on him has gone up to my mind and it doesn't compute the reasoning for that feeling as being the kind of thing to worry of a mislynch over.
This sentence was really hard to read, I really lose my grasp on its meaning as I get toward the end.

I'm glad I'm not the only one.

G-Man wrote:She has the excuse
Of busy real life items
Which makes great cover

I am worried about Niju as well. She has made it to the top of my suspect list. I know that she was on Spring Break last week an that getting back into the swing of things at work can be difficult, but I cannot imagine it taking up as much time as she says. I also think her votes are suspicious.

DrWilgy wrote:This makes me unhappy

help

is good 4 u

I don't like that the kill happened just as much as the next civ, but its not like she was participating. Did you kill her?

RIP Wilgette.
I am now off to chuck e. cheese for a birthday party. yip. eee. Send me positive thoughts. At least I'm not recovering from lots of alcohol like many of you. That would be a horrible combination.

linki SVS - I am unsure about sig

DrWilgy wrote:Wilgy will respite then, and figure out whats going on with himself...

Eloh I do think you are bad, but I don't want to be mean. Out of what happened last night though I think Ji and DF look the worst.

I'll get it right next time LC. I promise!

Do you mean Soneji and DF? And what makes them look the worst to you? Their voting?

@ SVS, thanks for your opinions.

I think we need to get focused. I see several of us are in agreement on finding various players suspicious. We need to agree on one and not spread the votes. As I said, I need to look at wilgy with fresh eyes. I think I failed to do it Day 3. I will back off of him for now and try to look elsewhere. I know he thinks I'm bad, but he's wrong.

I feel like I'm in the dark stumbling around trying to find the baddies.

SVS, I'm glad to have you back. Who would you have voted for Day 3 if you were allowed?

Wilgy, I agree that your tone is a bit mean and I do think you aren't playing like yourself. I'm mostly just confused as to why you are going so hard against me.

DF seems to be getting more involved and I feel like he is being helpful.

LC is becoming less trustworthy imo. His mannerisms seem sneakier and sneakier.

I am somewhat trusting of Dom atm.

I am on the fence with G-Man. His comment about his vote was suspicious to me. And I am not sure I buy SVS's explanation of it.

I think that's all for now....

its been a long, exhausting day. I voted wilgy.

DrWilgy wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
sig wrote:Of course, you being one of his suspects might say that.
Oh hush, I am not mafia.
*Grumbles and crosses arms*

Eloh, do youbhave any thoughts on my vote analysis? My perspective was included in it, so your thoughts reflecting it would be beneficial.

I think vote a analysis is a good thing towards the middle of the game, and especially late in the game. However, I think its too early for a vote analysis. I don't think there is enough information for them to really be helpful this early in the game. AND on top of that, G-man called you out for making a misleading list. He is right. Ever since you actually started playing you act as if we ought to all just assume you are civ now. I cannot do that.

Soneji wrote:
Elohcin wrote:Unfortunately I only know that I am town. I am not 100% sure about anyone else. However, SVS and G-man seem to be acting like helpful civs. Even though sorsha hasn't posted a lot, I am leaning civ on her. I think Wilgy is acting a little more sane lately but still unsure. Blooper seems to be more distant than usual which I don't like. I always read her as civ, but its possible she is bad. LC seems civ and so does sonjei so far. I don't know about you, Quin, but mostly b/c I have yet to play with you before (I think). We have a lot of quiet players. Who are your top suspects and why?
What about my posts seem civ to you Elo? You haven't played with me before really either, so what differentiates me from Quin for you this game?

Also, is my name really that hard? Soreji and now Sonjei

I think its just your tone. I think a person's tone is very telling. And I will just start calling you Son

sprityo wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:If it's any constellation, I just didn't like your votes Quin.

Why shouldn't I vote you for that?
I don't recognize that star formation, tbh

sig wrote:Of course, you being one of his suspects might say that.

Oh hush, I am not mafia.

sig wrote:So Scotty was killed, he thought I was good, and had Eloh, DF, and quin. He also brought up sprityo. Could he have been killed for suspecting the mafia?

Not likely unless that's what the Mafia want you to think.

Scotty wrote:
Long Con wrote:
Quin wrote:I'm pretty determined to put my vote on LC, though. My LC suspicion stems from Scotty's argument, but more recently his blatant dismissal to acknowledge suspicion looked pretty bad too.
Can you put Scotty's argument into your own words? What suspicion didn't I acknowledge?? Protip: the reason no one else is upset about that is that you are lying about it even happening. You have tried to create a little narrative where it's true, but it has fallen pretty flat because it has no real substance. You are bad, and I hope you get lots of votes tomorrow.
Yeah after reassessing the thread and knowing now that Matt was good, Quin's vote for Matt actually broke the tie of Matt and Llama to make it 4-3. Add that to the fact that Quin has basically buddied me all game and that makes me uncomfortable. I might vote him tomorrow based on these points.
Not to say you're out of my head, LC, but an instigation of WIFOM concerning pigifying yourself is not as substantive as voting records.

Have you played with Quin before? I have reread him and it does seem like he is buddying.

Long Con wrote:
DrWilgy wrote:LC, who do you think are the 3 remaining.
Are you done going after me just to be zany? If you are, then I'll start talking to you again. I still think you're the Stink Spirit, based on your behaviour. Quin, Nijuukyugou, and... I dunno the third.

Yeah, zany doesn't work for you Wilgy. It just makes you really annoying, no offense. As I said, I reread Quin and I am leaning that way too. And I have also been thinking of Niju. She usually only posts once per day, that is her norm. But she seems to be extra distant this game.

I'm not done catching up, but I am going to post this and them read and post more later.

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