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You Goober.Dom 2 wrote:I have to vote. I went with llama. I trust what Ricochet has brought forth on the matter.
Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Why would I know?Llama 2 wrote:where is cookie, anyway?Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:If you're a civilian with the role you've making it sound like you have, and you get lynched and do turn out to be that role, it would be handy to know.Llama 2 wrote:As much as I would love to play telephone, I am very sure that violates the info dumping policy.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I am not sure what the rules on this would be, so if it's not allowed to be answered, then it's a bummer but:
llama 2: If anyone, who did you target last night?
Also, to what end do you want to know?
where is cookie, anyway?Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:If you're a civilian with the role you've making it sound like you have, and you get lynched and do turn out to be that role, it would be handy to know.Llama 2 wrote:As much as I would love to play telephone, I am very sure that violates the info dumping policy.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I am not sure what the rules on this would be, so if it's not allowed to be answered, then it's a bummer but:
llama 2: If anyone, who did you target last night?
Also, to what end do you want to know?
You're sure whistling a different tune. Cookie can't give you milk like a llama can. Not much milk, but milk nonetheless.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I'd agree with that, between llama 2 and Cookie 2, I think it would a mistake to go with Cookie 2.Ricochet 2 wrote:There really isn't, not today. There is a narrow band of people who can be bad, and that does include Sig, epi, and potentially cobalt. Those three I don't get particularly bad vibes from, enough to justify a vote ahead of the other two.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Rico 2, are the only 2 people you're really considering today llama 2 and Cookie 2, or is there anyone else?
Although I strongly lean llama over cookie right now.
I'm not particularly leaning bad on him, but haven't given him a good read through.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:llama 2, I'm not really sure who you're leaning towards. Assuming you do not need to use your vote to try and save yourself, who would your top two choices be for your vote today?
If Rico 2 isn't in that top 2, do you suspect him at all?
As much as I would love to play telephone, I am very sure that violates the info dumping policy.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:I am not sure what the rules on this would be, so if it's not allowed to be answered, then it's a bummer but:
llama 2: If anyone, who did you target last night?
Technically a theory is an assumption. More evidential than a guess, and less absolute than a fact.Ricochet 2 wrote:I'm not certain about two teams with a kill, but I've had it in my mind for a long time and now I think it's probable. Particularly because why would mafia kill SVS on night 6. I have mentioned a possible redirect, and I'm not ruling that out either, but I also think golden was probably bad and died on night 2.
Timmer 2 died on night 4.
I guess an even night killer could be a serial killer, or it could be eloh/ninja's super-secret secret and her recruit(s) inhereted the kill. Either way amounts to the same for me.
As for who has been thinking about the possibility of two teams - how about just sticking with me. This is what I had to say on day 4...
I'm not 'caught up in it', but surely you can see it makes a lot of sense of events. I'm not making an 'assumption', I am making a theory, one which I find convincing enough that you are my likeliest candidate for a vote.Ricochet 2 wrote:I was also downright wrong. I don't think synonym is LC's teammate. I'm not going to vote synonym today, even though I think a second team is possible, but we have no evidence of it. Anyway, if anyone is on a second team, I'm looking squarely at llama and boo, both of who seemed confused about why golden would be alive when the answer seemed obvious to me (no double targetting). My immediate thought was they knew they had killed golden the night before and it wouldn't be double targetting.
When I get a moment I'll do a Rico-esque post, but I'm looking at the following in particular so far today: boo, llama, elohcin, cookie, MM. I don't agree with the points raised on BR or lacey yet so I'd have to be convinced, and don't see any reason to suspect anyone else right now.
I've been really sick - up during the night, sleeping during the day, I'm not in good shape. I'm trying to contribute as much as I can so sorry if its not as much as I would like, hopefully it passes in a day or two.
Why are we so caught up in even and odd night killing teams anyway? Who coined that assumption? We know there is a possible team from recruitment. But how are you so sure they kill on odd nights?Ricochet 2 wrote:I've done an iso on llama and I generally feel pretty ok about him not being on the mafia team that had SVS on it, at least.
There appears to be nothing I can see that really connects llama to eloh/ninja either for bad or for good, including the vote that day.
The fact that llama is pretty sure SVS is bad and the next night SVS is nightkilled might be significant.
Timmer 2, worth a look, died on night 4, his iso has some posts about llama.
I feel like what has happened in this game could be very consistent with llama being the even night killer.
I would feel very ok with my vote going there.
If Bass 2 hid behind a seemer, he would be spared as well.fingersplints wrote:Being fine is the second. Nothing happens/risky alignment check.
If Bass 2 targetted a recruit he would be killed. The only 'baddie' type role that a hider can successfully hide behind is a seemer... if we even HAVE one of those this game.
Interesting theory.Ricochet 2 wrote:A block
It's not difficult to come up with a plausible theory.
It does appear that way.Ricochet 2 wrote:He did make it pretty clear he was targetting you last night, though, right?Llama 2 wrote:Again, on top of any of this: sig was Bass' other suspect to look into.
So anything he is saying right after Bass' death is quite an opportunistic short-sightedness
Also, I think I just found a flaw in relying absolutely on Bass's civilian reads - maybe...
Hosts - if Bass was blocked, would he know?
Your obstinacy and advantageousness is quite unsettling, guy.Sig 2 wrote:and I just read what fs wrote, and nothing there contradicts what I said, LL. AT ALL. You are confused, and have wasted your vote when we have a blown baddie.
This tactic...reminds me of someone...Someone very wooly and sock-ish...Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Cobalt 2, civilian or bad?Metalmarsh 2 wrote:okLipsticklacey 2 wrote:Are you still here and able to respond for a few minutes if I ask you some rapid fire, answer using instinct questions?Metalmarsh 2 wrote:I didn't. you're right.Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:You never answered this question MM2.Bass 2 wrote:These are some strange times we live in, aren't they?
Lacey 2 I like your forethought.
MM2, in a world where Golden 2 gets lynched today (and flips civ tracker TGG because he's either a seemer or real TGG) what would you want to do tomorrow?
Also voting for Golden 2. This hanging will not sadden me.
TBH.. No clue. Still no clue what I want to do. I'm at a loss
This actually does make a bit of sense, and does look bad for me if you read this as me being Bass 2's target last night.Sig 2 wrote:LL2, I'm not, not even remotely.
HOWEVER, Bass has given us a gift.
A hider is a role I've had lots of times on other sites, and the instant you hide behind a baddie you die. And while you are hiding, you are safe from NK unless the person you are hiding behind is also killed, which clearly isn't what happened since it seems only Bass 2 died.
So, this right here?
"The next order of business is to resume scumhunting. I believe I've done a good job townhunting with Lacey 2, MM2, and Cobalt 2. I've been feeling better about Dom 2, also, since the Golden 2 business I stirred up. It felt like he was keeping an open mind rather than just hiding behind the wagon. I'd like to look into Llama 2 and Sig 2 in particular tomorrow. I'll personally look into Llama's posts tonight, and report my findings tomorrow afternoon. If he's hiding something, I'll find it."
tells me you LL2, MM2, Cobalt 2 and Dom 2 are civvies. And considering the last line, that he was looking into llama tonight, and specifically mentioning hiding, means one thing. llama 2 is bad. It's a slam dunk. Like, Bass 2 just dropped the mic from the grave.
votes llama. There's no way I'm changing my mind.
It made sense at the time, and I was feeling particularly supatown.Bass 2 wrote:Something of interest, Llama 2, that I noticed. On Day 4 you decided that Golden 2 was bad based on Black Rock 2's behavior. You then say nothing about it until Day 8, when literally everyone lynched Golden 2. This leads me to believe that, despite what you said, you actually didn't want to lynch Golden 2. Why not?
You might have trouble voting for Rey.Metalmarsh 2 wrote:Can you explain your reasoning here?Dom 2 wrote:That's kinda a relief.
Still means there are at least 2 baddies out there, and possibly more.
I'm open to a Cookie, Rey, or Dom vote.
This is telling that the original mafia team was not eliminated. I don't think we should worry yet about Elo's potential recruits.fingersplints wrote:Dom 2 wrote:Beautiful hosts: Will we be told if and when a team is eliminated?
Why do you want us to talk about how anti-town you are?Bass 2 wrote:Discussion is stagnating so here's something to talk about. Who thinks I'm Mafia, or at the least anti-Town?
I don't think you are who you are trying to be either.Metalmarsh 2 wrote:I dont' want to play with people who are flat out rude. Bye.
Interesting theoryLipsticklacey 2 wrote:We know the odd kill was in the hands of SVS 2/JJJ, who was active. Any other teammate is allowed to send it though, from what FS has previously said in response to a question about it.Epignosis 2 wrote:Okay Lipsticklacey 2 thanks for answering, depending on the night actions I would be fine with voting for cookie 2 assuming nothing major happens. Looking at last nights actions (6) then also at 2 and 4 it goes Golden (potential mafia) Timmer (civvie ninja/Vigilante) and SVS (mafia) following this pattern tonight's NK is either the third party or second mafia team who is mainly hunting mafia.
Looking at the mafia on nights 1,3,5,7 we have this breakdown Night 1 no kill, Night 3 JaggedJimmyJay 2 (civilian) night 5 (no kill again?) If this is the case our third party/mafia 2 is much more active then our mafia team. They missed two of their kills and failed to enter another before day came. This leads me to think maybe Turnip Head 2 was responsible for the kills? He was inactive and replaced Night 3, Night 3 was the only night the mafia had a kill. They were then modkilled day 6. The ability to kill is then passed down to another player they take advantage of this and end the day early to be able to use this power.
Know this is just a little theory and doesn't matter to much, but it does explain the lack of mafia kills with the timing of the replaced Turnip Head.
linki: I will keep eyeing you but am satisfied with your answers for the time.
I think that means, whichever teammate was sending it in, was probably regularly RBed. So I think our RBer is still alive, and either insanely lucky, or on top of things. I'd lean towards lucky, since I'd imagine after one failed kill, they would have a different team member send in the kill to throw off the RBer, assuming that it's based on who sends it in, and not whose power it actually is, which I cannot recall being specified.
Cookie's vote could be worth 7. After all, you can't eat just one cookieGolden 2 wrote:Cool. Added myself. Can we declare majority and move on?
Ricochet 2 wrote:I feel like we are in the box seat for a win from here. The only concern I have is would we know about ninja's recruits? If someone has been recruited, would we be told if we killed them? Because we haven't seen any yet.
What is your perspective?SVS 2 wrote:The Scotty2 reveal is extra nice, it affects my perspective of a couple people for their treatment of her last day.
I think Golden is more likely to be the seemer than boo.
I imagine the real Epignosis would have a stroke if he had as many grammatical errors as you have in your posts, Epi 2. He is Mr. English, after all.Epignosis 2 wrote:Reywas 2, we are not yet sure if elochin was civilian or mafia I thought?
Speaking for my Syn/Elo point I was very back and forth on him. Synonyms (Cobalt) had some similar town behavior, however he has been known to throw his own teammates under the bus to appear more civilian, something about his playstyle was off, and I believe he mainly pursued Long Con for revenge purposes.
I thought Black Rock 2 was the detective she flipped people began to talk about a seemer and I already was leaning that Golden was a civilian her role in no way could make us certain Golden was bad. So that very much flipped my opinion on Black Rock and lead me to be less willing to lynch Golden. While this is a WIFOM argument why would I suddenly switch my thoughts on Black Rock after saying she was a civjust to defend one player. While I haven't played many games as mafia I'm not the type to just stick my neck out and 180 to save someone. In fact I think your whole argument is kinda weak.
@Dom okay thanks just wondering. What do you think about Lipsticklacey 2?
I know who you are! You are Bass2!Bass 2 wrote:Would anyone dispute my knack for making friends? Golden 2, you're probably the only person who has an inkling of who I actually am, what say you?
But if you go to sleep, you wouldn't be able to say that you need to go to sleep 3 times!Cookie 2 wrote:Really? You have no understanding of me at all, then, I do my job first, always. And I do what i think is right. Always. I am sorry we are not on the same page.Cobalt 2 wrote:Voted.
Nor REALLY I need to sleep ha ha ha
Can I change the subject for a second?
The disembodied voice knows what's up.Roxy wrote:Someone wrote:If we cannot figure out the Golden thing, I think a Syn lynch is a good idea as an alternative.
Hmm I do see what you mean. The wrinkle in the equation is the recent revival of Dom. Would mafia have 2+ stocks of revival? That would be quite OP. OP I say!Epignosis 2 wrote:The issue I'm seeing with Golden being mafia is why would they kill him? Black Rock 2 was being considered as suspicious for awhile, she was going to get lynched at some point maybe this was a set up. The other option is that if there is a vigilante then they killed Golden 2 and it wasn't the mafia. This then brings up his revival, was the a misused civ power or a mafia ability? Assuming Golden is mafia that is.
Don't be discouraged, MetalMarmot! I'm listening to you, and read you as genuine and probably civ.Metalmarsh 2 wrote:I'm pretty frustrated, if I'm honest with you.Ricochet 2 wrote:I've just read through the posts of the people I suspect the most, here are my thoughts:
Boo - often feels like he is jumping to conclusions on mechanics to suit a particular perspective, but the thing that stands out most for me is how much emphasis he placed on golden not being NKed night 3 when he was night 2 and it would be double targetting. Immediately this seemed to me like a slip - genuine baddie hunting while part of a second baddie team who knew they had the kill the night before and double targetting wouldn't apply. Boo, do you have any response to this?
MM - had begun to contribute, has talked only really about LC and synonym so far in the game. I still think MM has done quite a bit of hiding behind the sock and hasn't really come to the party with much more yet. Llama also pointed out a case of soft defending LC. MM, who else have you got opinions about?
I have, continuously been told I am not participating, that I'm not doing enough, and that I'm not playing. I have posted, I have played, and NOW people are ignoring me.
So honestly, I'm pretty mad.
I'm at a point where it's hard to even care because no one takes what I have to say seriously, but the second Dom says it, it's apparently worth discussion.
So, Rico, I don't know who I suspect beyond Synonym because I'm pretty peeved. I would say Cookie is worth a looksie. I'm nto sure I understand this Golden/BR dichotomy.
Black Rock's reaction immediately after Golden is rezzed:lipsticklacey wrote:In her next post, after being challenged on the statement, she refers back to the seemer discussion, and some vague statements about past games. I don't trust these two posts, because immediately making a challenge to a confirmed civilian that gets resurrected at this point, because there may be a seemer in the game, does not seem well thought out. If there is a seemer in the game, and the seemer is Golden 2, then that means there is a tracker in the game that Golden 2 used the identity of. Since we learn the role of anyone who is killed, with the exception of mod-kills, it would make sense to me that this is an issue we can wait and see on, since either the real tracker will be killed, and we'll need to decide if we think that person or Golden 2 is a seemer, or the real tracker will eventually speak up and make a real attempt at getting Golden 2 killed. We can wait and see on this subject. I never suggested we couldn't. There is no other way to prove there is a seemer. I doubt seriously the real tracker would speak up though as it would put a target on their head.
Black Rock 2 wrote:Welcome back and congrats on your rezz Golden 2, assuming of course that you are good. I'll be gone to see about the horses part of the day tomorrow but will be back in plenty of time for discussion.
These posts drip with subtle condemnation. If Black Rock were bad, she would have been planning to seem as the civ tracker since two cycles ago. And to commit Suppoku over this point would be a stretch at best. I don't buy it.Black Rock 2 wrote:What do you mean he is write-up mod-confirmed as town? You mean because his role was revealed as town? Wasn't there conversation earlier in the game about there being a possible seemer in this game because it was in the host survey? Personally, I will have some doubt about any death that is a civ death because of that risk. Something I learned from past mafia playing.Synonym 2 wrote:What do you mean "assuming of course that you are good" he is writeup mod-confirmed as town are you serious
BR2 slipping into my scum reads.
very carefully..
Golden 2 wrote:"Rico" and "Llama" complementing each other? In what freaking universe?
I think we complement each other nicely. He does the extensive reads on people, I just find the baddies.Golden 2 wrote:Sorry, that should be complimenting, doh.
Y tu tambien, Rico Dos!Ricochet 2 wrote:
Llama - Can I say, you are doing a fantastic job of being llama. It reads really like him, I'm very impressed. Overall llama looked pretty decent on my reread, but he agreed with boo's take about 'why didn't golden die' and I would expect the person behind this sock to know about double targetting. Llama, what do you think about a 2 team theory?
I'm enjoying your Golden take. Do you have the most posts yet? :PGolden 2 wrote:Your meta rationale still leaves out several other players, like "Cobalt" or "Sig", who went for "LC"'s throat, right away. I'm seeing a more natural flow in "Syn" push, by comparison. He included "LC" in his now infamous mafia-guess post (but he has labelled that as satire since), he defended first against "LC" ping on that and then started thinking that "LC" is pushing it hard.Llama 2 wrote:Note how I didn't say he was civ, but was ready to appear civ? His attitude towards Long Con was niggling in my mind, and I went and looked through past mafia chats and found him explaining his philosophy of throwing his teammate under the bus in a virulent fashion. His explosion never felt civ to me, and his switch to "I told you all so!" when Long Con flipped is another tactic of distancing he is wont to do.Golden 2 wrote:Yeah, this below as well. What the hell dude. How did you go from this
to thisLlama 2 wrote:
Syn, this does not completely absolve you. But it does you credit for the civ cause. Glad to hear you're ready to appear civ again. Welcome back on board!
Or are you people just intent on poking Synbalt just to get more flipping out panda posts from him?Llama 2 wrote:Supatown alert!
Syn 2 is bad, assuming he is the puppet of Cobalt.
His "I told you so" reads to me more like catharsis, after a three-Day polarizing confrontation. Three Days, man. You're in Llama's socks, he'd probably feel just as vindicated - or just plain smug - after such a flip.
What do you think about the others I mentioned, in this equation? Could "Cobalt", for instance, not have researched the same thing you did and headdive into the "Scum Con" tunnel right away, for instance?
Note how I didn't say he was civ, but was ready to appear civ? His attitude towards Long Con was niggling in my mind, and I went and looked through past mafia chats and found him explaining his philosophy of throwing his teammate under the bus in a virulent fashion. His explosion never felt civ to me, and his switch to "I told you all so!" when Long Con flipped is another tactic of distancing he is wont to do.Golden 2 wrote:Yeah, this below as well. What the hell dude. How did you go from this
to thisLlama 2 wrote:
Syn, this does not completely absolve you. But it does you credit for the civ cause. Glad to hear you're ready to appear civ again. Welcome back on board!
Or are you people just intent on poking Synbalt just to get more flipping out panda posts from him?Llama 2 wrote:
Syn 2 is bad, assuming he is the puppet of Cobalt.
I'm not sure whether or not linking to past mafia chat is allowed here, but this is something Cobalt does when he is bad. I can copy and paste from that chat, but I don't want to post against the rules.Epignosis 2 wrote:Assuming he is Cobalt, why is he bad?
If you think it's best...I'll vote for you tomorrow. But only because you asked so nicely.Black Rock 2 wrote: Also, I see some people have decided I deserve to be called scum. I have thought long and hard about this and I think it is best for the civs if you lynch me. I am not mad or upset about being called out so this is not a case like Syns. I also am not threatening to not play the game. This is simply a matter of the best thing i can do to help us win the game.
Supatown alert! 
