I won't lie. I want it.
However, we're in this thing together at this point regardless of whatever makes me *special*, and it might be more strategically prudent to put that power in the hands of a don. Eventually I'm likely to be night killed, in spite of everything, because I'm not a don.
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- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:47 pm
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Re: [NIGHT 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
In place of prior abilities/duties or in addition to?MovingPictures07 wrote:No.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Hosts, is the new warden's alignment affected in any way by this nomination?
The new Warden will just get the abilities and duties that the previous Warden had, regardless of alignment.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:39 pm
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Note: when I originally brought the reductionist strategy into the thread (supposing cop teams based on pre-accepted premises of who is town), Epignosis immediately challenged it by connecting Nerolunar to chaindeath. The connection itself is of interest, but so is the fact that he felt the need to challenge it at all. Maybe I was on the right track in the first place.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:35 pm
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Hosts, is the new warden's alignment affected in any way by this nomination?
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:34 pm
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Freaking excellent. Just absolutely excellent.
Well done townies! Way to stick to your guns, Sloonei. Heck of a job.
Two left. This miserable disaster of a game can now be won. Let's finish the comeback!
Well done townies! Way to stick to your guns, Sloonei. Heck of a job.
Two left. This miserable disaster of a game can now be won. Let's finish the comeback!
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 9:31 pm
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I think the most interesting chaindeath-relevant post Epi made was this one:
This came in his response to my accusations that his aggression against Nero were manipulative. He suggested that Nero was bussing Dom to protect his other team mate chaindeath, and the reason he gave for this assertion was that he figured Dom had a weaker cop role. This came before Dom had flipped. We now know that Dom was the rookie cop, probably the weakest role on the cop team. Epi's foresight was striking in that regard. This might suggest he already knew that chaindeath had a stronger cop role than Dom did.Epignosis wrote:Not all cops are created equal. One is responsible for extra arrest attempts. One isn't responsible for anything. When I look for bussing attempts, I look at the value of the role power in question when I'm making a judgment.
Time to cook.
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
I'm limiting the scope of this review because we all already know what has happened recently and it'll save time. Maybe the earlier content will prove more illuminating.
Things Epignosis said about chaindeath prior to Day 9
Remember, this is all pre-Day 9. Consider it alongside more recent content to come to a final perspective.
Things Epignosis said about chaindeath prior to Day 9
Spoiler: show
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:53 pm
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I'm tempted to just assume a cop flip is on the way and begin assessing Epi interactions accordingly. The game is 98% over anyway if not.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 7:40 pm
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Hah, it kicked back on right after the deadline.
Oh well, I doubt it would have changed.
Oh well, I doubt it would have changed.
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Now that you have, what are your thoughts?chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath isn't sure it works that way. From how it reads the crew =/= to the hitmen.
Prisoner Chaindeath hadn't thought about it that way...
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:49 pm
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Or Turnip Head's command. Both of those scenarios make sense.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I think S~V~S killed Dom on Sloonei's command.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:48 pm
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I think S~V~S killed Dom on Sloonei's command.
Epi was calling Dom a stool pidgeon or another don (which actually lessens the logic of Epi-as-don itself). Why do you think he should be linked to the Dom kill, chaindeath?
Epi was calling Dom a stool pidgeon or another don (which actually lessens the logic of Epi-as-don itself). Why do you think he should be linked to the Dom kill, chaindeath?
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:42 pm
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Which one?chaindeath wrote:Because you seem to be town more than he does. However there is still a townie position and Chaindeath thinks it's him.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 4:02 pm
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Do you think he is the don?chaindeath wrote:Chaindeath is not sure who to vote for. If we vote so Epi and he ends up being a Don then the town loses, probably. But that seems to be the way it'll work for anyone at this point.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:57 pm
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Askthepizzaguy is an inspiration and an influence.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:29 pm
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This is Prisoner 509378's first game.Soneji wrote:This game is probably the first time as a player I'll have more than 100 posts. Even with post-game posts being counted, I don't think I've ever passed that amount on NF.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Sloonei, did you ever think you'd have 1,000 posts in a Mafia game?
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:13 pm
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Sloonei, did you ever think you'd have 1,000 posts in a Mafia game?
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:11 pm
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Isn't it fun to never really know?Sloonei wrote:How do you currently feel about Soneji?
If Epi's not a don then I'd rather lynch Epi than Soneji.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:09 pm
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Valid observation, Soneji. How do you feel that reflects on Nero and chain?
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 12:01 pm
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Okay. I think we're all exploring Sloonei as a don instead of Epi (it makes perfect sense given Sloonei's reaction to Dom's non-lynch). He's not claiming it or hinting it at all, so if he is the don then I commend the gamesmanship.
I've trusted Sloonei all game and I won't stop now.
Epignosis
I've trusted Sloonei all game and I won't stop now.
Epignosis
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
So you think someone not named Epi among the living players is the don alongside Turnip?
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:51 am
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
New question, Sloonei:
Did you give Epi a 3/10 chance of donhood because that's how you compare him to Turnip?
Did you give Epi a 3/10 chance of donhood because that's how you compare him to Turnip?
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It can only be either you or Epi based on Day 1 votes. You basically rejected yourself as the don when you showed any interest at all in my tracking of the Day 1 votes before. If you're the don then this investigation is always immaterial to you.Sloonei wrote:Remind me again why you think Epi is.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Are you?Sloonei wrote:I don't think Epi is the Don.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'll just say it then, since the day is dwindling down now. I think Epignosis is the don, and that lynching him today would win the game for the cops (with the only possible recovery coming from a failed arrest and/or a prison break). I still find Nero suspicious, but Turnip has a vital role in that discussion now and I really hope he can show up and gimme something there.
So we're left with Epi.
The other agleam voters of Day 1 were Golden, S~V~S, and DDL -- all of whom are incompatible with a don role.
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I think you're way too worried about "try again", and instead of focusing on that you should answer its call: if Epi is no longer the doubtless cop you painted him to be at the opening of this phase, then where do you stand?Soneji wrote:To get a rise out of me? Do you agree or disagree with the point that your "try again" doesn't apply to my answering of a question from before this whole Epi situation started?Prisoner 509378 wrote:Why would I twist anything? I can't be a cop.Soneji wrote:You asked me to explain my reasoning for a post I made near phase start, before this Epi as a Don thing started up. Your "try again" is incredibly twisting to act as if I'm only making the point to dissuade people away from the idea.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Epi is nearly mechanically confirmed as a townie now, so try again.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:38 am
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Why would I twist anything? I can't be a cop.Soneji wrote:You asked me to explain my reasoning for a post I made near phase start, before this Epi as a Don thing started up. Your "try again" is incredibly twisting to act as if I'm only making the point to dissuade people away from the idea.Prisoner 509378 wrote:Epi is nearly mechanically confirmed as a townie now, so try again.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:35 am
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Are you?Sloonei wrote:I don't think Epi is the Don.Prisoner 509378 wrote:I'll just say it then, since the day is dwindling down now. I think Epignosis is the don, and that lynching him today would win the game for the cops (with the only possible recovery coming from a failed arrest and/or a prison break). I still find Nero suspicious, but Turnip has a vital role in that discussion now and I really hope he can show up and gimme something there.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:33 am
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Epi is nearly mechanically confirmed as a townie now, so try again.
- Wed Apr 06, 2016 11:30 am
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Note how his careful methods have vanished and now he's just chilling waiting for an Epi lynch without a word. Oh my goodness lynch this guy.
LOL there he is!
LOL there he is!
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I'm having an epiphany moment and Soneji is a cop. Everything working his favor lately has always been small, and it only seemed meaningful because Epi and Nero had absorbed our attention. This guy has been full of crap for days.
"I am playing harder now because I want to show what I'm made of."
There's no reason that wouldn't have also impacted his lurky early game. Bull.
"I'm used to the site format and style now."
This website is extremely easy to grasp, and nothing in his posts implies a struggle with player style. Bull.
Kill him.
"I am playing harder now because I want to show what I'm made of."
There's no reason that wouldn't have also impacted his lurky early game. Bull.
"I'm used to the site format and style now."
This website is extremely easy to grasp, and nothing in his posts implies a struggle with player style. Bull.
Kill him.
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Prisoner 509378 wrote:Why?Soneji wrote:Epignosis
Dom's flip should seal it for those who weren't already convinced.
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Okay, so I can't tell any of you folks whether someone left an undocumented vote on agleam on Day 1, that's going to have to be up to you. Unless you specifically remember it happening, I don't know what else to say.
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As well as Soneji has played in recent phases, he has said at least one thing that strikes me as dubious:
Soneji wrote:*That is meant to say that now that I have a better feel for this sites layout and style of play, that I'm more comfortable approaching the game now.
Its also due in good part to a game on NF I was playing in ending along with me abandoning any hope of truly catching up 100%, so I have just been focusing more on recent events and looking through ISO's. You brought up awhile ago that knowing I was in the Championship tournament last year changed your outlook on me, it starting up recently has sparked in me a desire to really show what I'm capable of, on more than just NF, to have been worthy of being called a Champion of my home site. My performance in it last year was rather pathetic.
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Hosts: if either of you witnessed one of the dons voting for one of the traitors in the poll without it having been documented in an actual thread post, would that have been enough to trigger the traitor's "ability"?
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I do think Epi has played a suspicious game on many levels, and I can understand why it'd be difficult to pull away from the lynch now. But it looks to me like conclusive evidence is slapping us in the face and it would seem foolish to ignore it. agleaminranks changed sides on Night 1, after his role was triggered on Day 1. We can conclusively state that agleam's original don voted for him on Day 1. I can only find evidence that five people voted for agleam on Day 1 at any point, and only two of them can sensibly have been the don -- one of whom is currently leading this tally by a lot, and the other of whom is hellbent on his destruction.
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I'll just say it then, since the day is dwindling down now. I think Epignosis is the don, and that lynching him today would win the game for the cops (with the only possible recovery coming from a failed arrest and/or a prison break). I still find Nero suspicious, but Turnip has a vital role in that discussion now and I really hope he can show up and gimme something there.
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If Epi is not the don it would imply severe manipulation of events by the hosts. The cops did indeed have a lynch stop somehow so , but it's a lot harder to vote Epi now than it was yesterday.
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Yeah I'll wait for others' insights. Moved my vote to Sloonei for fear of lazy people pile-on. Not suspicious of him. Going to sleep.
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I'll let him answer your question however he may.Sloonei wrote:So you believe Epi is the Don?Prisoner 509378 wrote:What is the solution here, just so I'm clear?[/quoteSloonei wrote:Prisoner 509378 wrote:If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.
The remaining cops would be chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.
I also just looked into the Nero/TH dynamic to see if there's a Don/consigliere situation. It's somewhat compelling, because Nero never voiced suspicion of TH and did not partake in the attempt to lynch him. TH was frequently defensive of Nero and nearly always voiced a town read on him. These posts shed some doubt though:
Turnip Head wrote:Okay. I remember you saying something similar about Scotty in that you read him correctly as bad from the getgo somewhere else and you were right and don't feel that way here. I like to think Nero wouldn't have rolled baddie for his third straight game but you never know I don't really have a read on him but his framing of the opposition to the Gleam bandwagon felt odd. Like did he really think that that's what was happening or was he just throwing it out there?Sloonei wrote:The short version is that in our one previous game together, I had a scum read on him right away and this game his tone and effort seem much more sincere. I'll give some examples later when I'm able to.Turnip Head wrote:Why are you reading Nero as town?Sloonei wrote:Would anybody be able to articulate a case against Nero? I'm reading him as town so far, and all I see is an honest townie trying to figure out the game when I look at his posts.
Turnip Head wrote:That's because Nero made it seem like Quin was being evasive about whether or not he saved sig. Quin made it quite clear what he did.
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What is the solution here, just so I'm clear?[/quoteSloonei wrote:Prisoner 509378 wrote:If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.
The remaining cops would be chaindeath, Elohcin, and Soneji.
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If this is accurate and Turnip has a similarly solid reason to trust Nerolunar, then the game would be solved unless Sloonei is Satan.
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I don't think you can be the don considering your willingness to give him a 3/10 chance of being the don and your interest in the Day 1 votes. So for you to say he's not the don is suddenly a LOT to swallow. A lot of his commentary fits the bill too.
"Lynch me if you want, you won't get a cop."
"I don't care if I get lynched at this point."
"Lynch me if you want, you won't get a cop."
"I don't care if I get lynched at this point."
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What's holding you back from accepting this evidence?Sloonei wrote:I still feel like lynching Epignosis.
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
I looked at every single post and didn't find any others. Unless there was an undocumented post that the hosts counted (which I doubt given their emphasis on that point), then the only two Don candidates would seem to be Sloonei and Epignosis. I welcome anyone else to triple check.
Where does that leave us, Sloonei?
Where does that leave us, Sloonei?
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Re: [DAY 11] Turf Wars: Battle of the Hosts
Taking forever to scour every post, but not yet.