The Syndicate

Belshazzar wrote:I can't answer "what gives", I did my best re-reading all the players. Mordecai's read isn't really neutral from me either, but I've found slightly more incriminating reads than his and, given that you and Absalom have him as top suspect, I expected to find more. I've fully stated which votes read the worst to me (both on their own and how he followed them up afterwards) and they do deem him suspicious. If I gave the impression of giving him a pass, especially with the last sentence, that isn't quite so, I meant more that I want to discuss it further.

linki: I suppose, especially since he went with Job after all. But at that time, with Job accused of intense tunnel vision, it was generally a method to try to assess better what's really making him so focused.

I find his Day 1 vote very curious because he all but made a "I'm trying to catch up but I need to vote quick" reason and then voted for the player taking the most heat at the same time the Uzziah was tied for the lead with Samuel but nobody was seriously pursuing Samuel as an option anymore.

He also specifically singles out Jacob, Mary, and Samuel for voting Samson. Perhaps they provided the weakest reasons for their votes but knowing Cain is civvie, its curious that Mordecai only wants to focus on those three and pays no mind to Isaac, Jonathan, or you for voting for the train that he started. The more I look, the more weird stuff I see. Maybe Mordecai is just a weird player.

I've seen Mordecai lurking several times yesterday and today. I wonder if he will join us or if he's being a Noticeable Pouter after his post yesterday.

Humor me Belshazzar, you offered what read to me like a pretty soft read on Mordecai. His vote pattern looks very suspicious and I don't really have anything in my notes on him that strikes me as worthy of giving him a pass through the next two votes. Heck, your notes don't even seem to justify feeling even neutral on him.

Belshazzar wrote:Mordecai
Day 1: scrutiny of Paul's actions, but also suspicious of Samson and ends up voting for him (first of in the ensuing lynch). Day 2, calls hunt for Uzziah both a cop out but also something he doesn't disagree with (just that it offers room for complacency). Nevertheless, argues significantly with Job instead over this. Come Day 3, he's already wary of Job tunneling, but as far as I notice, didn't take it further.

Two consecutive votes for Lazarus, for his own tunneling of Absalom. His Day 3 one the first of three, whilst Uzziah and Rachel (and soon Job) had already two votes; he never really touched upon these players. His Day 4 is amidst an intense Job vs. Balaam train, in which he again has no part in.
No serious content Day 5 expect his vote post for Uzziah, a late vote that solidifies his lynch. Upon being questioned by Jeph, states that he voted Uzziah in retaliation to Job's flip. His statement that Uzziah would have been a sure lynch (=highly likely lynch) every day raises some eyebrows and rightly so, because it was neither the case quite every single day (except for Day 3), nor did he state this before with conviction.

Day 6, he works on a "voting together" angle of reading the vote records, signaling Deborah, Malchus and Rachel. Votes Rachel of the three, but, conspicuously or not, his vote now stands as bringing Rachel at 3-4 versus Ruth.

Day 7, odd angle theory at whether Absalom would look intentionally civ given Ruth's vote for him. Also builds up his Balaam theory, but presents it only Day 8. Regarding this, some points either don't stand out for me as much as for him or Balaam sounded genuine in defending against them (for instance, #2 and #3, if anyone has followed their exchange), but interestingly enough, he does connect him with Ruth in the timing of the votes, just like Lot noticed.

Hmm, I was sort of expecting to have a stronger read on him. The votes that could be accounted as the worst would be (in order) Day 6 (possible push for Rachel to save Ruth), Day 1 (Samson train, whilst his teammates jumped on Cain's instead) and maybe Day 3. I can't lock his Day 5 vote as bad, but if he is a Heathen, then the deed was long done on sacrificing Uzziah.

From the votes themselves, turning Ruth's lynch into that angle to suspect Absalom seems to me to go against the very nature of Ruth's intent when voting for Absalom (him to die instead of her), so maybe it was an intentionally forced perspective offered to the thread? Is this what others are picking up on as well? Besides that, his Day 3 Lazarus pick and his statement that Uzziah was always highly lyncheable don't match up in attitude, especially for the day that Uzziah could have been lynched. But again, I was hoping for a stronger bad read of him than such circumstantial ideas. I'm open to keeping him in check.

What gives?

You may have missed his vote but don't feel bad- I did too. I went back to check his posts and he never gave an explanation for it.

Deborah wrote:Hey all, so I've skimmed the thread, and there are a TON of huge wall posts breaking down every vote from every fucking angle, lol? Can someone point me towards one or two summaries, or conclusion-type posts? I as always have limited time, but I want to actually try to judge the cases and I'm not going to have time read a novel. Any help would be appreciated, I'll be back in this afternoon.

I really hope you're Heathen. Otherwise... man.

None of the recaps thus far are foolproof. We've either found or will find a few things to nitpick on or details that went unnoticed or overlooked. If I had to pick one, I'd recommend...

Okay, going to try something a little different with my technicolor vote recaps. Here's a link to the original format. Lot raised a good point I had been pondering as I looked at my data the other night. We've lynched 2 of 5 people who voted for Cain (40%) and only 2 of 7 people who voted or Samson (28.6%). Yet the Samson train has quite a few voters who fall into a gray area in terms of reads. I don't remember (but hopefully someone can look it up) if Mary's and Jonathan's vote for Samson was in any way a factor in their stonings. If not, it's almost like we've largely forgotten about that ill-fated Samson train.

Here are my technicolor recaps for each day split apart by each vote train. Maybe it will be an easier way to look at it than what I've been doing. Do you see anything suspicious when the data is presented this way?

Balaam wrote:DAY 1 RESULTS:

9. SAMSON (Mordecai)
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)
21. SAMSON (Samuel)


12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
29. CAIN (Balaam)


4. UZZIAH (Pilate)
8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
28. UZZIAH (Rahab)


1. SAMUEL (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie


6. PAUL (Martha)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
24. PAUL (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens


11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie
17. ABSALOM (Malchus)


16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca)
23. JEPHTHAH (Lot)


19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie

3. LOT (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens

5. REBECCA (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens

7. BARNABAS (Stephen)

26. GIDEON (Hagar)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings


Not Voting:
Barnabas
Bathsheba
Esther
Judah<---voter was the civvie smote after our second 3 civ stonings
Lazarus

Balaam wrote:Day 2 Results:

4. CAIN (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. CAIN (Absalom)
6. CAIN (Belshazzar)
7. CAIN (Deborah)
8. CAIN (Malchus)
10. CAIN (Rahab)
12. CAIN (Balaam)
16. CAIN (Bathsheba)


2. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
9. UZZIAH (Lot)
15. UZZIAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie


1. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. JOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens


11. STEPHEN (Stephen)

13. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)

14. ABSALOM (Lazarus)



Not Voting:
Barnabas (2)
Cain<---voter = civvie
Esther (2)
Gideon<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
Hagar<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
Isaac
Jacob
Jephthah<---voter = civvie
Jonah
Judah (2)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Mary Mag<---voter = civvie
Mordecai
Nicodemus<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
Pilate
Ruth<===VOTER = HEATHEN
Samuel

Balaam wrote:DAY 3 Results:

10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)


1. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
5. UZZIAH (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
9. UZZIAH (Absalom)
20. UZZIAH (Rahab)


2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
7. JOB (Isaac)
17. JOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
18. JOB (Esther)


6. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
11. LAZARUS (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
12. LAZARUS (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens


3. RACHEL (Lot)
4. RACHEL (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie

8. RAHAB (Jonah)

19. ABSALOM (Lazarus)

Day 3 Not Voting:
Barnabas (3)
Bathsheba (2)
Hagar (2)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
Judah (3)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus
Pilate (2)
Samuel (2)
Stephen

Balaam wrote:DAY 4 Results:

2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
6. JOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
8. JOB (Stephen)
9. JOB (Jonah)
10. JOB (Samuel)
12. JOB (Balaam)
17. JOB (Esther)
18. JOB (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
21. JOB (Belshazzar)


3. BALAAM (Absalom)
4. BALAAM (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
7. BALAAM (Rebecca)
16. BALAAM (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
19. BALAAM (Judah)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings


1. RACHEL (Pilate)
15. RACHEL (Job)<---voter = civvie


11. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
14. LAZARUS (Rahab)


5. ABSALOM (Lazarus)

13. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN

20. DEBORAH (Deborah)


Not Voting:
Barnabas (4)
Bathsheba (3)
Isaac (2)
Jacob (2)
Lot
Malchus (2)

Balaam wrote:DAY 5 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Pilate)
3. UZZIAH (Stephen)
4. UZZIAH (Absalom)
6. UZZIAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
9. UZZIAH (Esther)
12. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
14. UZZIAH (Rahab)
16. UZZIAH (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
17. UZZIAH (Mordecai)


2. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
10. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
15. JEPHTHAH (Isaac)
19. JEPHTHAH (Jonah)


5. SAMUEL (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
11. SAMUEL (Belshazzar)


7. STEPHEN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN

13. ABSALOM (Lazarus)

18. MALCHUS (Deborah)

Not Voting:
Balaam
Bathsheba (4)
Jacob (3)
Judah (4)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus (3)

Balaam wrote:DAY 6 Results:

2. RUTH (Absalom)
3. RUTH (Stephen)
5. RUTH (Lot)
7. RUTH (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
14. RUTH (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
17. RUTH (Balaam)
18. RUTH (Belshazzar)
19. RUTH (Samuel)
20. RUTH (Bathsheba)


1. RACHEL (Isaac)
8. RACHEL (Rebecca)
9. RACHEL (Mordecai)
15. RACHEL (Jacob)


4. ABSALOM (Pilate)
11. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
16. ABSALOM (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN

6. PILATE (Esther)
10. PILATE (Rahab)

12. JACOB (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
13. JACOB (Deborah)

Not Voting:
Jonah (2)
Judah (5)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus (4)

Day 7 Results:

8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
10. JEPHTHAH (Balaam)
11. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
12. JEPHTHAH (Lazarus)
13. JEPHTHAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie


1. JONATHAN (Absalom)
3. JONATHAN (Pilate)
6. JONATHAN (Stephen)
14. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)


2. PILATE (Esther)
7. PILATE (Rahab)


4. REBECCA (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
5. REBECCA (Jacob)

15. JACOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens

16. BALAAM (Mordecai)

Not Voting:
Bathsheba (5)
Deborah
Isaac (3)
Jonah (3)
Judah (6)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus (5)

Day 8 Results:

2. JONATHAN (Pilate)
3. JONATHAN (Stephen)
4. JONATHAN (Esther))
5. JONATHAN (Balaam)
9. JONATHAN (Absalom)
10. JONATHAN (Deborah)
11. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)
12. JONATHAN (Jacob)
13. JONATHAN (Jonah)
15. JONATHAN (Samuel)


6. JACOB (Rahab)
8. JACOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens


1. LAZARUS (Lot)
14. LAZARUS (Lazarus)

7. BALAAM (Mordecai)

Not Voting:
Bathsheba (6)
Isaac (4)
Jonathan<---voter = civvie
Judah (7)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
Malchus (6)
Rebecca

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Pilate wrote:What are "push" and "pivot"?

They're terms I came up with pertaining to spotting baddies through vote analysis. Here's where I mentioned them before. It was a few days ago...

Balaam wrote:First, a few thoughts:

I agree with Jeph that Lot may be analyzing the votes in the wrong way. Much as re-reading an individual's posts out of context of everything else, analyzing peoples' votes out of context is probably not a good idea either. There are three things to look for every day: The Plant, The Push, and The Pivot.

The Plant is when a person is first brought up as suspicious. This could be done innocently or nefariously. It's at least useful to know when a person was planted as a suspect because that helps us look for The Push.

The Push is when others start to glom onto or build on a suspicion for one reason or another. Sometimes it happens right away and sometimes it happens a day or two later. This is where a suspect starts to pick up steam and people start voting that way because it seems like a lot of people are talking about them. The Push influences the low posters and those who chime in (or appear to chime in) last-minute looking for something on the last page to vote for.

The Pivot is where momentum seems to shift from one player to another in the thread or in the poll. The Pivot is not always carried out by a baddie but they're usually pretty close on either side of it, if not the fulcrum.

The Push is not an isolated event. There are usually pushes before and after the Pivot on days when only a few suspects are being seriously considered. We've had a few of those.

What we need to do is go back and look for Plants, Pushes, and Pivots in each stoning period. We're still going to have to speculate on baddies trailing in at the end but the three P's help us find those who are stirring up a bad case, voting after said puffery, and those who try to plant names for the next day.

The next thing I'm going to do is post my notes on every player left in the game, plus one or two dead ones if I think there's something interesting there. Rather than dump a crazy amount on you guys all at once, I'm going to do my notes on each player in a separate post. After that, I'll post my own take on vote analysis. Hopefully between my notes and the vote analysis we can find those three P's and sniff out some baddies.

Now, which of my recaps seem the most far-fetched?

Which ones do you find believable?

Who would you like to talk more about?

Let's talk people!

PILATE:
D1: 4th vote overall, 1st vote for Uzziah (distancing move by voting for his teammate after Uzziah's vague-ish admission)
D2: Missed the vote (legit or designed to throw us off)
D3: Missed the vote (avoiding any connection to civvie trains- we're starting to expect little of him)
D4: 1st vote overall, 1st vote for Rachel (latches onto Belshazz's suspicion of Rachel's hypocrisy to cast a throwaway vote on a civ)
D5: 1st vote overall, 1st vote for Uzziah (With no Balaam option for an easy civ train, comes out hard against Uzziah, acting on his supposed suspicion of him the last few days, also accuses Uzz of trying to frame him- plan backfired when others decide it's time for Uzz to die)
D6: 4th vote overall, 1st vote for Absalom (falls back on accusing Absalom of leading a train on Cain in a failed attempt to save Ruth and/or throw suspicion on Absalom)
D7: 3rd vote overall, 2nd vote for Jonathan (votes early in the cycle to start a Jacob v. Jonathan train duel for the day- Jacob train never takes off when the Jeph train comes out of nowhere)
D8: 2nd vote overall, 1st vote for Jonathan (consistency ploy and helping oil the tracks for an easy civ lynch)



RAHAB:
D1: 28th vote overall, 3rd vote for Uzziah (late cycle vote for her teammate Uzz who is not in danger- cred grab)
D2: 10th vote overall, 6th vote for Cain (votes to keep Cain well in the lead of her teammate Uzz)
D3: 20th vote overall, 4th vote for Uzziah (late cycle vote for her teammate whose fate is not totally certain- ballsy cred grab)
D4: 14th vote overall, 2nd vote for Lazarus (voting to stay out of the main trains of the day- vote-spread)
D5: 14th vote overall, 7th vote for Uzziah (late-ish cycle vote for her teammate whose fate is pretty well certain- cred grab)
D6: 10th vote overall, 2nd vote for Pilate (mid-cycle vote-spread to cast doubt on Pilate and to spread options around to possibly save Ruth)
D7: 7th vote overall, 2nd vote for Pilate (consistency ploy to push suspicion of Pilate)
D8: 6th vote overall, 1st vote for Jacob (vote for Jacob for cred from those more sus of Jacob than Jonathan)



REBECCA:
D1: 16th vote overall, 1st vote for Jephthah (mid-cycle vote spread to keep her hands clean)
D2: 13th vote overall, 1st vote for Jephthah (late cycle vote for consistency and to keep her hands clean)
D3: 10th vote overall, 1st vote for Mary (casts the first vote for Mary to break damn open on her and save her teammate Uzz)
D4: 7th vote overall, 3rd vote for Balaam (votes to spur on more Job and Balaam votes)
D5: 2nd vote overall, 1st vote for Jephthah (votes to start a rival train to protect her teammate Uzz)
D6: 8th vote overall, 2nd vote for Rachel (votes to make a Rachel train look possible to save her teammate Ruth)
D7: 9th vote overall, 2nd vote for Jephthah (votes for the silly civ train that will ensure another civ dies the next day)
D8: Missed the vote (keeps her hands clean for the day)



SAMUEL:
D1: 21st vote overall, 7th vote for Samson (votes to put Samson away for a D1 civ lynch)
D2: Missed the vote (skips the vote and makes a "shame on me" post)
D3: Missed the vote (skips again to rub appearance of low participation in our noses)
D4: 10th vote overall, 5th vote for Job (votes for the easy civ train)
D5: 10th vote overall, 3rd vote for Jephthah (votes to try and keep someone close in votes to his teammate Uzziah)
D6: 19th vote overall, 8th vote for Ruth (late cycle vote for his teammate for cred and to offset his vote to save Uzz D5)
D7: 11th vote overall, 4th vote for Jephthah (hops on board an easy civ lynch that will get Jonathan sussers riled up to vote him the next day)
D8: 15th vote overall, 10th vote for Jonathan (jumps on the Jonathan train after everyone else does the work)



STEPHEN:
D1: 7th vote overall, 1st vote for Barnabas (self-admitted random vote- throws off vote analysis)
D2: 11th vote overall, 1st vote for Stephen (self-votes for further vote analysis chaos)
D3: Missed the vote (skips a vote to royally screw over any vote analysis)
D4: 8th vote overall, 3rd vote for Job (votes to keep Balaam & Job tied to add to the frenzy)
D5: 3rd vote overall, 2nd vote for Uzziah (ballsy early vote for a teammate- cred grab)
D6: 3rd vote overall, 2nd vote for Ruth (ballsy early vote for a teammate- going for double cred)
D7: 6th vote overall, 3rd vote for Jonathan (votes on what he thinks is going to be a Jonathan train)
D8: 3rd vote overall, 2nd vote for Jonathan (remains consistent by voting Jon again)

Belshazzar wrote:I also applaud Balaam's worst light angle in his walkthrough, although its downside I see is that, on one hand, it might attract a few very plain "Player X looks the worst, get him!" reasoning or even votes come tomorrow and, on the other hand, it got us mixed results in the past. Not that I'm denying that such readings, in the worst light, usually motivate the reasoning behind voting to lynch a player. But think of Jonathan, whose votes were accountable enough for a lynch, or think of Jacob, whose role hint is still making some of us hesitate completely, despite how awful his votes and such would make him look.

I'll start my re-reads in a bit, but they are to be expected in batches as well, because I'm almost certain I'll not manage them in one sit...afternoon...d-day?

Absalom, have you had a chance to re-read Pilate?

And anyone taking one of these tin foil recaps as gospel instead of discussing the 3 or 4 most suspicious looking players will be on my radar for sure. This exercise is being done in the first 24 hours of the cycle to facilitate discussion in the second 24 hours of the cycle. I am going to a few extremes on these recaps. Some fall apart pretty easily while others hold up. I want to see who thinks which ones hold up and see if they can add anything else to the cases to normalize them from the tin foil hat fringe.

After this lynch, we start this process all over again and incorporate whatever knowledge we gain into the data.

I still struggle to see Jacob's role hint. I thought I saw something but it was vague and I no longer think I saw what you seem to see. Can you point me in the right direction or at least clue me into where it's at- (like first half or second half of the game or a 3-day group- not asking to go all "Laz could be Simon" just yet).

LAZARUS:
D1: Missed the vote (design or accident- frees him from being on a civ train)
D2: 14th vote overall, 1st vote for Absalom (Cain is obviously going down so he vote-spreads to avoid any kickback from the Cain train)
D3: 19th vote overall, 1st vote for Absalom (votes late-ish in the cycle for Absalom again- avoids the Mary train and starts setting about potential future roleclaim as Simon- also helps him avoid being part of any trains)
D4: 5th vote overall, 1st vote for Absalom (further enhances roleclaim cred though not really noticed yet)
D5: 13th vote overall, 1st vote for Absalom (avoids voting for a teammate while maintaining consistency for future Simon claim)
D6: 11th vote overall, 2nd vote for Absalom (avoids voting for a teammate while still maintaining potential to claim Simon)
D7: 12th vote overall, 5th vote for Jephthah (with his Simon lie busted, he abandons Absalom so he isn't found out to be a fraud- joins a bad-looking bandwagon instead- helps set up renewed vigor against Jonathan for the next day)
D8: 14th vote overall, 2nd vote for Lazarus (self votes to throw off vote analysis)



LOT:
D1: 23rd vote overall, 2nd vote for Jephthah (total softball vote late-ish for neither train- typical vote-spread)
D2: 9th vote overall, 2nd vote for Uzz (with enough momentum swinging Cain's way, it's a reasonably safe vote for his own teammate- cred grab)
D3: 3rd vote overall, 1st vote for Rachel (flip-flop from D2- today votes to start a train on Rachel to protect teammate Uzz)
D4: Misses vote (intended to mess with vote analysis- keeps him off any trains)
D5: 8th vote overall, 2nd vote for Jephthah (tries to turn Jeph suspicion into a rival train to save teammate Uzz)
D6: 5th vote overall, 3rd vote for Ruth (votes early for teammate to mess with future vote analysis)
D7: 8th vote overall, 1st vote for Jephthah (leads the Jeph train to lynch a civ and setup civ Jonathan for revenge lynch next day)
D8: 1st vote overall, 1st vote for Lazarus (claiming cursed to avoid further vote analysis)



MALCHUS:
D1: 17th vote overall, 2nd vote for Absalom (mid-cycle vote-spread)
D2: 8th vote overall, 5th vote for Cain (places a mid-cycle vote on the bandwagon to look misguided)
D3: Misses vote (messing with vote analysis)
D4: Misses vote (doesn't even post- posturing like cursed/kidnapped)
D5: Misses vote (doesn't even post- now just messing with us)
D6: Misses vote (doesn't even post- getting deeper inside our heads)
D7: Misses vote (totally Inceptioning us)
D8: Misses vote (all hail Lord Malchus!- kneel and obey)



MORDECAI:
D1: 9th vote overall, 1st vote for Samson (puts a vote to the suspicion of Samson and adds new reasons to be sus of him- helps derail pressure on Uzziah well enough for his teammates to add to the Cain train late in the cycle)
D2: Misses vote (legit miss or sitting back and watching civs kill civs)
D3: 6th vote overall, 1st vote for Absalom (votes on weak sus of Laz in an attempt to draw people from Uzz- also helping to spread options early)
D4: 11th vote overall, 1st vote for Lazarus (consistency ploy by voting Laz despit the Job v. Balaam discussion raging)
D5: 17th vote overall, 9th vote for Uzziah (totally safe, late cycle vote for his teammate who is obviously going down- cred grab)
D6: 9th vote overall, 3rd vote for Rachel (attempt to pile on Rachel to make it a tight race and force other players to waffle on their votes- also may help make Rebecca look bad if/when Mordecai is caught)
D7: 16th vote overall, 1st vote for Balaam (meaningless late-cycle vote meant to have no impact whatsoever)
D8: 7th vote overall, 1st vote for Balaam (mid-cycle vote for consistency ploy and to help set up renewed suspicion of Balaam)

Absalom wrote:YOu're right, I screwed up day one. I was focused on the fact that you voted for the same person as Uzziah and Ruth. So the voting record looks like Uzziah, Ruth, Balaam.Saying "directly after" was an error on my part.

What I found more interesting is that on Day 3, 4 and 6. You and Ruth voted within four minutes of each other. And that she missed Day 2 and you missed Day 5, so the record is incomplete.

Wow, I haven't been marking down the time of player votes but that is pretty freaky. I also didn't even notice that she and I were voting pretty close to each other. I see where your data might lead you to believe that Ruth and I were teammates who conferred late in the lynch period and cast a mini-block of baddie votes. All I can say is that it is a weird coincidence.

I think that my Day 6 vote actually works in my defense though. When I voted, it was 5 votes for Ruth, 4 votes for Rachel, 3 votes for Absalom, 2 votes for Jacob, and 2 votes for Pilate. Logic suggests that a baddie would want to vote for their teammate in this situation for the civvie cred. It's easy to assume that a Ruth lynch was a foregone conclusion since the final three votes coming in after me were also for Ruth.

But what would have happened with those final three votes had I voted for Rachel and tied it up? According to my notes, Belshazzar would have certainly voted for Ruth. Samuel comes in right at the deadline with this:

Samuel wrote:i realize I am not contributing here, I'm really very sorry and if you all choose to eventually lynch me because of it, that is entirely understandable, but I am voting for Ruth as it seems the right place for a vote today based on what little I know.

and then Bathsheba comes in less than a minute later with this:

Bathsheba wrote:Yeah that doesn't seem right. Going with Ruth.

She never comes back to explain what doesn't seem right.

Now at that point, both of them are basically bandwagoning on the leader. I had only voted five minutes prior and my comments and part of the discussion regarding the possibility that Lazarus was Simon the Zealot were on the same page, which may have been the only page those two final votes glossed over. They may well have just voted for the Ruth after Belshazzar if the Lazarus theory still been going on. Had I voted Rachel though, and not been so blunt about the possibility of Laz being Simon, would it have been as clear to them that Ruth was bad news?

I guess you have to look at it one of two ways:

1) The timing of votes points to me being a Heathen who conversed with voted in close proximity to a teammate.

2) Lot's vouching, my data dumping and crunching, my vote for Ruth, and my brazen openness to speculate about Laz being Simon in the thread and expressing concern that Ruth was trying to take advantage of that points to me being not Heathen.

Absalom wrote:Why has no one answered my question about Balaam's voting pattern being directly adjacent to Ruth's? The silence on this subject is making me nervous.

I had a question on that actually. Thank you for reminding me.

You said I voted immediately after Ruth twice- Day 1 and Day 3. On Day 1, there were three votes separating Ruth's vote and my vote. Are you focusing on the fact that Ruth and I voted for the same person both of those days and I was the next vote for the same person she voted for after she voted that person?

For me, it seemed a little dishonest to frame it as me voting right after Ruth two out of the first three days. If what I laid out above is on your wavelength, I think it could be described better as Balaam matching Ruth's vote for the same person two out of three days. Even that isn't worded the best, but is that what you're trying to get at?

DEBORAH:
D1: 12th vote overall, 1st vote for Cain (enough chatter over Cain to warrant a vote and to help teammates vote late for Cain to set him up as leftovers)
D2: 7th vote overall, 4th vote for Cain (to look consistent but also right in the middle of the votes can help look like a save on Job)
D3: 16th vote overall, 5th vote for Mary (protecting Uzz while also looking like a foolish bandwagon follower, might also serve to set up what looks like a Laz save)
D4: 20th vote overall, 1st vote for Deborah (self-votes to avoid any incriminating activity this day- messes with vote analysis)
D5: 18th vote overall, 1st vote for Malchus (votes late at the end of the lynch period to send a "message" vote to a quiet player rather than vote for her teammate or to further set Jephthah up as leftovers)
D6: 13th vote overall, 2nd vote for Jacob (vote-spread attempt to slow down momentum on Ruth and to glom onto the suspicions of a civ for cred)
D7: Missed the vote (legit or planned, helps her avoid a bad-looking Jeph-train and helps her avoid voting on Jonathan, who she glommed onto the day before)
D8: 10th vote overall, 6th vote for Jonathan (turns on Jonathan to blend in with a day of votes that don't shed much light on anything- helps put Jonathan away)



ESTHER:
D1: Missed the vote (real or by design- avoids taking sides on top two civs)
D2: Missed the vote (helps keep her hands clean of two hasty lynches)
D3: 18th vote overall, 4th vote for Job (votes to keep Job close as an option or to distance herself from hasty Mary lynch)
D4: 17th vote overall, 7th vote for Job (votes to help create appearance of a Balaam save and for cred when Job flips civ)
D5: 9th vote overall, 5th vote for Uzziah (votes for her teammate Uzz for a cred grab)
D6: 6th vote overall, 1st vote for Pilate (attempted save of Ruth? attempt to make Pilate sus for D7?)
D7: 2nd vote overall, 1st vote for Pilate (votes early for consistency)
D8: 4th vote overall, 3rd vote for Jonathan (votes to keep an easy sus civ train rolling)



ISAAC:
D1: 14th vote overall, 3rd vote for Samson (votes to put Samson ahead of his teammate)
D2: Missed the vote (real or intentional to mess with vote analysis)
D3: 7th vote overall, 2nd for Job (votes Job over Rachel because more likely to set Job up and save Uzz)
D4: Missed the vote (says after missing that he'd still have voted Job- ploy for misguided civvie cred?)
D5: 15th vote overall, 4th vote for Jephthah (either actually thinks he can save Uzziah or just helping set up Jeph for later)
D6: 1st vote overall, 1st vote for Rachel (quick trigger- then walks back from it and says he'd vote differently though it contributes to a near civvie train on Rachel)
D7: Missed the vote (staying out of dodge after some sketchy votes?)
D8: Missed the vote (^?- avoids a train on a civ)



JACOB:
D1: 15th vote overall, 4th vote for Samson (gives a bigger lead over his teammate while also making it look like there may be a save on Cain happening)
D2: Missed the vote (keeps his hands clean on Cain)
D3: 13th vote overall, 2nd vote for Mary (latches onto Mary's stubbornness and uses it to his advantage- helps oil the train wheels and saves Uzz)
D4: Missed the vote (keeps his hands clean)
D5: Missed the vote (avoids voting for a teammate and also prevents him from being part of too many civ trains by skipping Jeph)
D6: 15th vote overall, 4th vote for Rachel (either a misguided attempt to save Ruth or just trying to set up Rachel for leftovers)
D7: 5th vote overall, 2nd vote for Rebecca (helps give the appearance of a Jonathan save and makes Jeph look really bad at the same time- helps to set up the train on Jeph later that day)
D8: 12th vote overall, 8th vote for Jonathan (joins in on the bandwagon- easy blending day)



JONAH:
D1: 19th vote overall, 1st for Mary (votes for someone without any votes to spread things out and mess with vote analysis)
D2: Missed the vote (additional vote analysis tampering)
D3: 8th vote overall, 1st vote for Rahab (votes for another person with no votes- non-committal and helps spread things- doesn't really help Uzz, but hey- it's a wacky randomish vote)
D4: 9th vote overall, 4th vote for Job (Nudge Job into the lead to keep the action on Job v. Balaam)
D5: 19th vote overall, 5th vote for Jephthah (votes last after his teammate has no chance of surviving- helps set Jeph up as leftovers)
D6: Missed the vote (avoids voting to save or lynch another teammate)
D7: Missed the vote (content to let the civs fight amongst themselves)
D8: 13th vote overall, 9th vote for Jonathan (joins late on an easy blendy bandwagon against a civ)

Tin foil hat time. There are 18 players left alive in this game, so I'll break this up into two groups of 4 and two groups of 5 so this doesn't get so long that people decided to skip another one of Balaam's ridiculously long list posts. :P

The point of this exercise is similar to what Absalom already did but I'm going to go a bit further and try to break this down as if each player is Heathen. I'll try to ascribe motive and intent to every single vote based on my notes and what I can remember from the voting period. Feel free to add to any sections you feel I skimped on. At the end of this exercise, hopefully we can all agree on who the three or four sketchiest sounding players are and discuss them further for the stoning poll.

Open my last technicolor vote recap in another window so you can use it as reference as you go through.

ABSALOM:
D1: 13th vote overall, 2nd vote for Cain (helps pump momentum into a Cain train to keep him as a D2 option- his Heathen friends follow suit late in the lynch period)
D2: 5th vote overall, 2nd vote for Cain (votes early for Cain to maintain appear consistent and to give Cain a lead over Absalom's teammate)
D3: 9th vote overall, 3rd vote for Uzziah (votes for a teammate after Rachel momentum dips- cred grab)
D4: 3rd vote overall, 1st vote for Balaam (votes for who he says he will- consistency move)
D5: 4th vote overall, 3rd vote for Uzziah (with Balaam not in the poll, no easy leftovers to set up, so he makes a cred grab and adds to the Uzz train)
D6: 2nd vote overall, 1st vote for Ruth (uses his knowledge of Heathen strategy to "break" the case on Ruth- gives him credibility and lull civvies into a false sense of security, also may help his teammates hide on another Heathen train)
D7: 1st vote overall, 1st vote for Jonathan (takes the easy way out and votes for suspicious looking baddie that has the attention of many)
D8: 9th vote overall, 5th vote for Jonathan (injects new life into the Jonathan train after not enough momentum builds for Laz, Jacob, or Balaam- OR just to look consistent again)


BALAAM:
D1: 29th vote overall, 5th vote for Cain (waits until the end of the day and piles on the runner-up in a civ v. civ train to make for easy D2 leftovers)
D2: 12th vote overall, 7th vote for Cain (votes for consistency and to lock up the lynching of another civ)
D3: 22nd vote overall, 7th vote for Mary (votes late to make sure his teammate Uzz doesn't not suffer a miraculous turnaround defeat)
D4: 12th vote overall, 6th vote for Job (votes to save his own ass and put another civ to death)
D5: Missed the vote (skips the vote and watches a teammate go down so he does not have to cast another sketchy vote)
D6: 17th vote overall, 6th vote for Ruth (votes to keep his teammate in the lead for a cred grab)
D7: 10th vote overall, 3rd vote for Jephthah (joins the quick and easy Jeph train to lynch one civ and keep a suspicious civ around for leftovers)
D8: 5th vote overall, 4th vote for Jonathan (piles onto an easy civ lynch)


BATHSHEBA:
D1: Missed the Vote (may be intentional so she isn't part of a D1 civ lynch, may have just missed it)
D2: 16th vote overall, 8th vote for Cain (votes last for a civ lynch to appear as a sheep following the bandwagon)
D3: Missed the vote (strategic miss to hamper vote analysis)
D4: Missed the vote (strategic miss just to lower our expectations of her)
D5: Missed the vote (strategic miss to mess with our heads)
D6: 20th vote overall, 9th vote for Ruth (cred grab and helps further thwart effective vote analysis)
D7: Missed the vote (strategic miss to throw us off in case we thought she would be more active after voting D6)
D8: Missed the vote (strategic miss- she's so far inside our heads by now, she's practically Inceptioned us)


BELSHAZZAR:
D1: 20th vote overall, 6th vote for Samson (seemingly safe to pile onto a civvie lynch while teammates build up leftovers for D2 in Cain- baddie vote-spread maneuver)
D2: 6th vote overall, 3rd vote for Cain (votes to put Cain ahead- innocent leftover lynch AND helps make it look like there was a save on Job)
D3: 14th vote overall, 3rd vote for Mary (assigned to vote for a suspicious civ to bring her to a tie with his teammate Uzz)
D4: 21st vote overall, 9th vote for Job (votes at the trail end for a civ- bad bandwagon follower play?)
D5: 11th vote overall, 2nd vote for Samuel (votes for a possibly sus civ over his teammate Uzz)
D6: 18th vote overall, 7th vote for Ruth (safe-ish vote for a teammate so no one suspects him after dodging Uzz D5- also helps put Ruth out of reach for the wifom factor)
D7: 14th vote overall, 4th vote for Jonathan (votes for Jonathan to keep him viable for D8- avoids a bad-looking civ train)
D8: 11th vote overall, 7th vote for Jonathan (easy vote for a player already out of reach based on past lynch results)


NOTE: this took way longer than I thought it would. I will try to get more done. The last two may have to wait until tonight.

Balaam wrote:DAY 1 RESULTS:

1. SAMUEL (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie
3. LOT (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
4. UZZIAH (Pilate)
5. REBECCA (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
6. PAUL (Martha)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
7. BARNABAS (Stephen)
8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
9. SAMSON (Mordecai)
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie
12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob)
16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca)
17. ABSALOM (Malchus)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)
21. SAMSON (Samuel)
22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
23. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
24. PAUL (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
26. GIDEON (Hagar)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
28. UZZIAH (Rahab)
29. CAIN (Balaam)

Not Voting: Barnabas, Bathsheba, Esther, Judah, Lazarus

Balaam wrote:Day 2 Results:

1. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
2. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
3. JOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
4. CAIN (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. CAIN (Absalom)
6. CAIN (Belshazzar)
7. CAIN (Deborah)
8. CAIN (Malchus)
9. UZZIAH (Lot)
10. CAIN (Rahab)
11. STEPHEN (Stephen)
12. CAIN (Balaam)
13. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
14. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
15. UZZIAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
16. CAIN (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Barnabas (2), Cain, Esther (2), Gideon, Hagar, Isaac, Jacob, Jephthah, Jonah, Judah (2), Mary Mag, Mordecai, Nicodemus, Pilate, Ruth, Samuel

Balaam wrote:DAY 3 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. RACHEL (Lot)
4. RACHEL (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
5. UZZIAH (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
6. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
7. JOB (Isaac)
8. RAHAB (Jonah)
9. UZZIAH (Absalom)
10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
11. LAZARUS (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
12. LAZARUS (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
17. JOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
18. JOB (Esther)
19. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
20. UZZIAH (Rahab)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)

Day 3 Not Voting: Barnabas (3), Bathsheba (2), Hagar (2), Judah (3), Malchus, Pilate (2), Samuel (2), Stephen

Balaam wrote:DAY 4 Results:

1. RACHEL (Pilate)
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. BALAAM (Absalom)
4. BALAAM (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
6. JOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
7. BALAAM (Rebecca)
8. JOB (Stephen)
9. JOB (Jonah)
10. JOB (Samuel)
11. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
12. JOB (Balaam)
13. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
14. LAZARUS (Rahab)
15. RACHEL (Job)<---voter = civvie
16. BALAAM (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
17. JOB (Esther)
18. JOB (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
19. BALAAM (Judah)<---voter was the civvie smited after our second 3 civ stonings
20. DEBORAH (Deborah)
21. JOB (Belshazzar)

Not Voting: Barnabas (4), Bathsheba (3), Isaac (2), Jacob (2), Lot, Malchus (2)

Balaam wrote:DAY 5 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Pilate)
2. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
3. UZZIAH (Stephen)
4. UZZIAH (Absalom)
5. SAMUEL (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
6. UZZIAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
7. STEPHEN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. UZZIAH (Esther)
10. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
11. SAMUEL (Belshazzar)
12. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
13. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
14. UZZIAH (Rahab)
15. JEPHTHAH (Isaac)
16. UZZIAH (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
17. UZZIAH (Mordecai)
18. MALCHUS (Deborah)
19. JEPHTHAH (Jonah)


Not Voting: Balaam, Bathsheba (4), Jacob (3), Judah (4), Malchus (3)

Balaam wrote:DAY 6 Results:
1. RACHEL (Isaac)
2. RUTH (Absalom)
3. RUTH (Stephen)
4. ABSALOM (Pilate)
5. RUTH (Lot)
6. PILATE (Esther)
7. RUTH (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
8. RACHEL (Rebecca)
9. RACHEL (Mordecai)
10. PILATE (Rahab)
11. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
12. JACOB (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
13. JACOB (Deborah)
14. RUTH (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
15. RACHEL (Jacob)
16. ABSALOM (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
17. RUTH (Balaam)
18. RUTH (Belshazzar)
19. RUTH (Samuel)
20. RUTH (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Jonah (2), Judah (5), Malchus (4)

Day 7 Results:
1. JONATHAN (Absalom)
2. PILATE (Esther)
3. JONATHAN (Pilate)
4. REBECCA (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
5. REBECCA (Jacob)
6. JONATHAN (Stephen)
7. PILATE (Rahab)
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
10. JEPHTHAH (Balaam)
11. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
12. JEPHTHAH (Lazarus)
13. JEPHTHAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
14. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)
15. JACOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
16. BALAAM (Mordecai)

Not Voting:
Bathsheba (5), Deborah, Isaac (3), Jonah (3), Judah (6), Malchus (5)

Day 8 Results:
1. LAZARUS (Lot)
2. JONATHAN (Pilate)
3. JONATHAN (Stephen)
4. JONATHAN (Esther))
5. JONATHAN (Balaam)
6. JACOB (Rahab)
7. BALAAM (Mordecai)
8. JACOB (Rachel)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
9. JONATHAN (Absalom)
10. JONATHAN (Deborah)
11. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)
12. JONATHAN (Jacob)
13. JONATHAN (Jonah)
14. LAZARUS (Lazarus)
15. JONATHAN (Samuel)

Not Voting: Bathsheba (6), Isaac (4),Jonathan, Judah (7), Malchus (6), Rebecca

I'll throw a little tin foil theorizing on this data at lunch. Unless Pilate and/or Stephen are Heathen, Day 1 reveals just how patient they were. Day 2 frustrates the heck out of me. Day 7 and 8 will prove informative once we catch Heathen #3.

Balaam wrote:DAY 1 RESULTS:

1. SAMUEL (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie
3. LOT (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
4. UZZIAH (Pilate)
5. REBECCA (Rachel)
6. PAUL (Martha)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
7. BARNABAS (Stephen)
8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
9. SAMSON (Mordecai)
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie
12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob)
16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca)
17. ABSALOM (Malchus)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)
21. SAMSON (Samuel)
22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
23. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
24. PAUL (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
26. GIDEON (Hagar)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
28. UZZIAH (Rahab)
29. CAIN (Balaam)

Not Voting: Barnabas, Bathsheba, Esther, Judas, Lazarus

Balaam wrote:Day 2 Results:

1. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
2. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
3. JOB (Rachel)
4. CAIN (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. CAIN (Absalom)
6. CAIN (Belshazzar)
7. CAIN (Deborah)
8. CAIN (Malchus)
9. UZZIAH (Lot)
10. CAIN (Rahab)
11. STEPHEN (Stephen)
12. CAIN (Balaam)
13. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
14. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
15. UZZIAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
16. CAIN (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Barnabas (2), Cain, Esther (2), Gideon, Hagar, Isaac, Jacob, Jephthah, Jonah, Judah (2), Mary Mag, Mordecai, Nicodemus, Pilate, Ruth, Samuel

Balaam wrote:DAY 3 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. RACHEL (Lot)
4. RACHEL (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
5. UZZIAH (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
6. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
7. JOB (Isaac)
8. RAHAB (Jonah)
9. UZZIAH (Absalom)
10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
11. LAZARUS (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
12. LAZARUS (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
17. JOB (Rachel)
18. JOB (Esther)
19. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
20. UZZIAH (Rahab)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)

Day 3 Not Voting: Barnabas (3), Bathsheba (2), Hagar (2), Judah (3), Malchus, Pilate (2), Samuel (2), Stephen

Balaam wrote:DAY 4 Results:

1. RACHEL (Pilate)
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. BALAAM (Absalom)
4. BALAAM (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
6. JOB (Rachel)
7. BALAAM (Rebecca)
8. JOB (Stephen)
9. JOB (Jonah)
10. JOB (Samuel)
11. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
12. JOB (Balaam)
13. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
14. LAZARUS (Rahab)
15. RACHEL (Job)<---voter = civvie
16. BALAAM (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
17. JOB (Esther)
18. JOB (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
19. BALAAM (Judah)
20. DEBORAH (Deborah)
21. JOB (Belshazzar)

Not Voting: Barnabas (4), Bathsheba (3), Isaac (2), Jacob (2), Lot, Malchus (2)

Balaam wrote:DAY 5 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Pilate)
2. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
3. UZZIAH (Stephen)
4. UZZIAH (Absalom)
5. SAMUEL (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
6. UZZIAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
7. STEPHEN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. UZZIAH (Esther)
10. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
11. SAMUEL (Belshazzar)
12. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
13. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
14. UZZIAH (Rahab)
15. JEPHTHAH (Isaac)
16. UZZIAH (Rachel)
17. UZZIAH (Mordecai)
18. MALCHUS (Deborah)
19. JEPHTHAH (Jonah)


Not Voting: Balaam, Bathsheba (4), Jacob (3), Judah (4), Malchus (3)

Balaam wrote:DAY 6 Results:
1. RACHEL (Isaac)
2. RUTH (Absalom)
3. RUTH (Stephen)
4. ABSALOM (Pilate)
5. RUTH (Lot)
6. PILATE (Esther)
7. RUTH (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
8. RACHEL (Rebecca)
9. RACHEL (Mordecai)
10. PILATE (Rahab)
11. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
12. JACOB (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
13. JACOB (Deborah)
14. RUTH (Rachel)
15. RACHEL (Jacob)
16. ABSALOM (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
17. RUTH (Balaam)
18. RUTH (Belshazzar)
19. RUTH (Samuel)
20. RUTH (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Jonah (2), Judah (5), Malchus (4)

Day 7 Results:
1. JONATHAN (Absalom)
2. PILATE (Esther)
3. JONATHAN (Pilate)
4. REBECCA (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
5. REBECCA (Jacob)
6. JONATHAN (Stephen)
7. PILATE (Rahab)
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
10. JEPHTHAH (Balaam)
11. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
12. JEPHTHAH (Lazarus)
13. JEPHTHAH (Jonathan)<---voter = civvie
14. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)
15. JACOB (Rachel)
16. BALAAM (Mordecai)

Not Voting:
Bathsheba (5), Deborah, Isaac (3), Jonah (3), Judah (6), Malchus (5)

Day 8 Results:

1. LAZARUS (Lot)
2. JONATHAN (Pilate)
3. JONATHAN (Stephen)
4. JONATHAN (Esther))
5. JONATHAN (Balaam)
6. JACOB (Rahab)
7. BALAAM (Mordecai)
8. JACOB (Rachel)
9. JONATHAN (Absalom)
10. JONATHAN (Deborah)
11. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)
12. JONATHAN (Jacob)
13. JONATHAN (Jonah)
14. LAZARUS (Lazarus)
15. JONATHAN (Samuel)

Not Voting: Bathsheba (6), Isaac (4),Jonathan, Judah (7), Malchus (6), Rebecca


Would have been nice if Jonathan had voted for who he thought was bad. Otherwise, it'd be nice to get rid of Bathsheba, Judah, and Malchus (preferably with the roles revealed).

From here, I think what we need to do is make vote analyses for every player left in the game. Then we need to look at those in conjunction with my technicolor lists and see which three or four look the worst or the most likely to be strategically Heathen. Then we need to discuss those players Day 9.

Lot wrote:

Absalom wrote:Well, that is somewhat less than ideal.

Yeah

RIP Jonathan.

Ditto. Technicolor vote breakdowns in the morning.

And to the surprise of nobody, Bathsheba, Judah, and Malchus missed yet another vote.

Oh, and Noah? If you're still alive and we stone a civvie again, please don't protect the following players:
-Bathsheba
-Deborah
-Esther
-Jacob
-Judah
-Lazarus
-Malchus
-Pilate
-Rahab
-Rebecca
-Samuel

They haven't been carrying their own weight and will probably let the animals on the ark starve or eat each other.

Esther wrote:I really think Jonathan is a good bet. He was 6th to vote for Jeph but 19th to vote overall. If he turns out bad, it will give us a small number of people (Jeph voters - Lot, Rebecca, Balaam, Sam, Laz) to look at next and and we are sure to catch at least one more baddie right away. Obviously they are not all bad, but if Jonathan is bad, I bet at least one of the others is too. I am going to go ahead and place my vote on Jonathan today.

At most, I can see there being one other Heathen in the cluster that voted for Jeph. The four non-Jonathan votes before the Jeph train are by no means exempt from scrutiny if Jonathan flips Heathen. If the Heathens always piled on the same civvie train to save one of their own, we civvie would have this thing locked up by now. Also, Jonathan was the 13th overall vote (if you ignore the host/dead/non-;player option).

Absalom wrote:

Balaam wrote:I'd like to hear input from Belshazzar, Rachel, and Absalom regarding the Jacob v. Jonathan issue. I think one of them (Jacob or Jonathan) needs to die today so we can move forward instead of sideways like we did Day 7.

Here's my input. I think they both look bad, but I think Jonathan looks worse for the following reasons.
1. He has missed fewer votes than Jacob, giving him a more complete voting record to analyze, and the votes look worse, in my opinion. I also think that people with teammates are less likely to miss votes than people without, although I know some people disagree with me on this.
2. When I suggested voting for him the first time, he made the bizarre comeback of something like "if you lynch me, you'll get lynched next." This was directly after I led the Ruth lynch, so I find it a very strange line of defense to take.
3. I offered him the chance to present an alternative to his lynch, to persuade me that someone else looks worse than him. He hasn't done it. He just says "I am not bad" over and over, as if that is supposed to mean something.

I see your points but I still feel like Jacob looks worse. I wouldn't be surprised if both of them flip Heathen but it wouldn't be a total shock to me if only one of them does. We're approaching that level of certainty that calls to mind "pride cometh before a great fall." Once we nab our third Heathen, I think the other two shouldn't be too hard to track down. The elusive fifth one may surprise us or they're just playing a very commendable game.

Samuel wrote:

Esther wrote:I really think Jonathan is a good bet. He was 6th to vote for Jeph but 19th to vote overall. If he turns out bad, it will give us a small number of people (Jeph voters - Lot, Rebecca, Balaam, Sam, Laz) to look at next and and we are sure to catch at least one more baddie right away. Obviously they are not all bad, but if Jonathan is bad, I bet at least one of the others is too. I am going to go ahead and place my vote on Jonathan today.

I get voting for Jonathon but your theory regarding if he flips bad then there must be more baddies there seems ill conceived. How many civs have been lynched this game? Did youto through each one of them and kill everyone who voted them because hey, there must be baddies in there, right? Basing it entirely on this vote is silly, especially given the presence of Laz's vote in there. Baddies usually hold their votes to see if they need to save themselves or their teammates, once that clinching vote dropped on there they can safely distance themselves from a civ lynch. I voted Jeph, I suspected him for days for his behavior earlier in the game. I was wrong. But I am a civ. So this logic to me seems ludicrous because you are likely to waste lynches trying to find the baddie if you go simply on one vote when we have a whole game full of information.

Some baddies vote early to try and derail momentum on a teammate's train. Others wait and either seal the fate of a rival civvie train to save their teammate or they go for a cred grab and vote their teammate if the lead seems insurmountable. Sometimes they'll even vote for a teammate if the vote is tied or their teammate only leads by 1 if they think that it would look too obvious of a derailment to put the civvie in the lead or to tie the vote up. If the early efforts of a teammate to derail a baddie lynch don't stick with the rest of the day's discussion, the late-voting baddies won't glom on to it. Esther's point isn't totally off base but it is 100% short-sighted. We're no longer at the point of focusing on one day's vote. We have to try to examine the entire game with the knowledge of which players were baddie & civvie and see if we can crack the strategy being used by the Heathens.

Lot wrote:

Esther wrote:I really think Jonathan is a good bet. He was 6th to vote for Jeph but 19th to vote overall. If he turns out bad, it will give us a small number of people (Jeph voters - Lot, Rebecca, Balaam, Sam, Laz) to look at next and and we are sure to catch at least one more baddie right away. Obviously they are not all bad, but if Jonathan is bad, I bet at least one of the others is too. I am going to go ahead and place my vote on Jonathan today.

I can see your point here in that it could have some votes to save Jonathan. It's also a fairly small pool of options given I'm certain of two it isn't.

I definitely think Jonathan is a better bet than Jacob, given Jeph's virtual vouching and the role hint that seems to be flying around.

Yes, Esther's short list is a little too dangerously short. I wonder what she thinks we should do if Jonathan flips civvie. Kind of interesting that she doesn't offer any suggestions the other way.

Lot wrote:

Samuel wrote:

Esther wrote:I really think Jonathan is a good bet. He was 6th to vote for Jeph but 19th to vote overall. If he turns out bad, it will give us a small number of people (Jeph voters - Lot, Rebecca, Balaam, Sam, Laz) to look at next and and we are sure to catch at least one more baddie right away. Obviously they are not all bad, but if Jonathan is bad, I bet at least one of the others is too. I am going to go ahead and place my vote on Jonathan today.

I get voting for Jonathon but your theory regarding if he flips bad then there must be more baddies there seems ill conceived. How many civs have been lynched this game? Did youto through each one of them and kill everyone who voted them because hey, there must be baddies in there, right? Basing it entirely on this vote is silly, especially given the presence of Laz's vote in there. Baddies usually hold their votes to see if they need to save themselves or their teammates, once that clinching vote dropped on there they can safely distance themselves from a civ lynch. I voted Jeph, I suspected him for days for his behavior earlier in the game. I was wrong. But I am a civ. So this logic to me seems ludicrous because you are likely to waste lynches trying to find the baddie if you go simply on one vote when we have a whole game full of information.

And my alert goes off.

If Jonathan was bad, then there was a massive lynch train on Jeph when Jonathan had the lead in votes. Even if none of them are bad, why would it be 'ludicrous' and 'likely to waste lynches' to consider someone else might be helping to save him?

I agree that basing it on one vote is silly, but Esther did make a good point. And I say that knowing that me and my friend Balaam's ass are both in that train.

What does the presence of Lazarus vote in there have to do with it?

Calm down there buddy. I agree that the presence of Lazarus's vote doesn't necessarily mean anything. See what I explained above. ^

I'd like to hear input from Belshazzar, Rachel, and Absalom regarding the Jacob v. Jonathan issue. I think one of them (Jacob or Jonathan) needs to die today so we can move forward instead of sideways like we did Day 7.

Mordecai wrote:1. So because I thought Samson was bad, I am responsible for the thoughts and decision of others? Interesting, and faulty.
2. I dont even think this is a reply to my second point? I am genuinely confused. Im talking about how you always are one of the last to vote, and you're talking about how someone is worth saving because they can talk. Please reiterate.
3. Im guessing you dont see the really weird connection between these 3 descriptors of you on Day 5. (Didnt vote) (Wasnt on the poll) (Same day a heathen was lynched). It's almost like you didnt need to vote because you couldnt die that day anyway. You say you were busy re-reading the thread, but then say you shouldnt have slacked off. Which is it? Additionally every time you click over to another page, that deadline on the poll is right there in your face. I think you chose not to vote on day 5. Unless you were painfully oblivious to the first thing you see on every page, which I doubt.
4. The appearance of a choice? Why are you concerned with that? I didnt know I was playing Bioshock. Would you kindly vote for who you think is a baddie instead of trying to make some kind of statement?
5. If you are going to draw attention to my vote history and throw my own strategy back at me, at least put forward the same amount of effort, and show me what is wrong with my vote history. I've been voting for people that I am looking at and suspect.

Do I feel like you're acting civ as a front? Maybe. If your defense is "A baddie wouldnt act as civ as me", then newsflash: Yes they would. The entire objective of a mafia is to blend in with the civs. To look like a civ themself so they arent killed and can win the game. And yes, I have seen baddies do the same level of info dumping.

Slightly off-topic, I do have issues with paranoia. I am never ok with calling somebody a civ until they are killed as one, or if they roleclaim, or are otherwise lock cleared due to game mechanics. The people that others think are civ, are the ones I suspect the most. All it takes is a thousand lies and a good disguise. It's nothing personal against you, it's just how I tick.

1) If you are the start of the train, you must own that fact. You seem to dismiss it, which is shady. You may not have meant to start a Samson train but you certainly started it and added fuel to suspicion of him.

2) I've been making "ass" jokes all game because Balaam had a talking ass/donkey. I hold my vote in case I need to save myself from getting railroaded. If you vote early, there is always a chance a train may form against you and then you're powerless to do anything about it but talk. Talk is cheap. Votes have power. I've been burned enough times by this kind of thing to vote too early unless RL requires it.

3) Let me clear this one up better: I was removed from the Day 5 poll. Knowing that I wasn't at risk of getting lynched Day 5, I chose to re-read the whole game thread to expand upon the game notes I stopped taking during Day 2. I slacked off on re-reading with any kind of vigorous pace because I knew I wasn't at risk of getting lynched. Nobody had any expectations of me Day 5, so I dropped to ball on my own re-read. As the vote deadline approached, I skimmed the Day 5 actions but did not have a good feel for any of the suspects. Without the proper care and attention to detail I normally put into a vote, I skipped it. Shameful? Yes. Lazy? Yes. I feel dumb for not voting but I couldn't make my mind up based on a skim read. I know some people in this game feel comfortable doing that but I am not one of them.

4) How many times do I have to say that I suck at reading people before it sinks in? Barring a major slip-up, I never have solid baddie reads early in games. I didn't necessarily trust the Samson train but I also didn't think Cain was 100% bad either. Next day I voted Cain not because I thought he was bad but because he wasn't playing ball. It's nice taking out a baddie at lynches but taking out uncooperative, hostile civvies has some positives as well and it is sometimes necessary.

5) I'm not interested in analyzing your vote history today because I think this day needs to be a choice between Jacob and Jonathan.

Mordecai wrote:

Balaam wrote:

Mordecai wrote:

Balaam wrote:I'd like for Mordecai to show up with plenty of time to discuss his theory on me and to explain his vote. Otherwise, he pulled a drive-by on me yesterday which is über-shady.

Answer me this question before I get ahead of myself here.

Were you silenced on night 4?

Additionally, I did kinda rush that vote. Like I said I almost slept through that shit. I try to wait till later in the phase to make a vote because I know I cant change it once I do. Unfortunately that doesnt always work well, seeing as how the phases were ending around 11PM in my time zone, and I have to get up for work at 5.

Hey there. No, I was not silenced Night 4. Why do you ask?

The thing that I noticed is that after day 1, you have been on every single mislynch. Then day 5 comes around, the day that we lynch a heathen for the first time, and you dont vote that day. Day 6 you voted Ruth. Day 7 you helped lynch Jeph.

Reasons I dont like that
-IIRC, most of those mislynches were a situation where the bandwagon on the lynched player formed seemingly out of nowhere and completely overtook the then current majority vote on another player
-You were always one of the last 5 or so to place a vote on the mislynches, outside of day 4 and 7. Day 7 you barely miss that criteria. Like you're trying to play it safe. I know that I wait a while to vote and I dont have much movement to criticize you for this, but it seems like you wait and then pile on to the popular vote after everybody else has done it.
-Your missed vote on Day 5 wasnt due to a silence on night 4. I asked you that because there was a chance that MAYBE it was a coincidence and you possibly just werent able to vote. Herod was still alive at that point after all. But now that you yourself have said that you werent silenced, it looks worse.
-Not being on a mislynch on day 1 doesnt really give a good lock either, as you were the last to have placed a vote on Cain that day who was then subsequently lynched.
-Day 1 you voted for Cain, after Ruth did. Day 3 you voted for Mary Magdalene, after Ruth did. Day 4 you voted for Job, along with Uzziah. Day 5 you missed Uzziahs lynch entirely, so you probably had to vote for Ruth to cover your ass.

I know im probably reaching a bit here, but that whole thing makes me raise an eyebrow. "Why would I help push every mislynch as a heathen? That's too obvious.". Yes it is, but then again Uzziah was practically begging us to lynch him and he was a heathen, who's vote you so happened to miss. It wouldnt surprise me if you were trying to hide in plain sight with that after the stunt that Uzziah pulled on us for four straight days.

1) Funny you mention mislynches coming from nowhere, because you started the train on Samson Day 1 with your vote. You dovetailed Paul's suspicion of him for voting so soon with your own reason. You said he was avoiding a question and the apparent active ignoring of a question pinged you. Thus, you added a second reason to suspect him. Then Jacob latched onto your reasoning a few posts later and he ended up voting for Samson later in the day. Worth noting that Jonathan also voted after the Cain Train started, giving the appearance of a save on Cain.

2) As I said before, I normally keep my vote until close to the end. I hate being wrong but I also hate being dead, so if it looks like I'm at risk of being railroaded, I'll vote to save my ass. He's worth saving because he can talk, you know.

3) As I said, I spent much of Day 5 and even a lot of Day 6 re-reading the thread. I really shouldn't have slacked off so much but other picked up the slack by going after Uzziah. I still maintain that I would have been the #1 suspect Day 5 had I been on the poll. Thank the Lord I was not on that poll, right? We needed a miracle to get back into the game and the Lord provided by keeping me off the poll. That allowed you guys to go in another direction- aka Uzziah.

4) As I mentioned earlier in the game, I voted Cain Day 1 because I wanted to give people the appearance of a choice. I didn't want Samson to get too much of a lead because we've seen some late voters just glom onto whatever they read in the last 10 posts or so before they vote. Unfortunately, I added to a vote tally that made Cain an easy leftovers vote the next day. Remember that he did not help his cause by being so defensive and dismissive. I wasn't 100% on Cain because I suck at reading people but he wasn't playing ball and we need players who are willing to conform at least somewhat.

5) I see what you're trying to do here but it's a stretch when you consider other aspects of my game. If people go back and look at your vote history, it's not exactly roses either.

Total wifom statement: If I were a baddie, why would I post all those lists, player recaps, and technicolor vote breakdowns that seem to piss a few people off? I see your point on my vote record, but do you also feel that I am acting so super-civ as a front? Have any baddies ever gone quite as far as I have in info dumping? You seem to think that I'm the anti-Uzziah. He admitted to being bad while I am acing all super-civ. Is that what you're basically saying?

Mordecai wrote:

Balaam wrote:

Mordecai wrote:

Balaam wrote:I'd like for Mordecai to show up with plenty of time to discuss his theory on me and to explain his vote. Otherwise, he pulled a drive-by on me yesterday which is über-shady.

Answer me this question before I get ahead of myself here.

Were you silenced on night 4?

Additionally, I did kinda rush that vote. Like I said I almost slept through that shit. I try to wait till later in the phase to make a vote because I know I cant change it once I do. Unfortunately that doesnt always work well, seeing as how the phases were ending around 11PM in my time zone, and I have to get up for work at 5.

Hey there. No, I was not silenced Night 4. Why do you ask?

The thing that I noticed is that after day 1, you have been on every single mislynch. Then day 5 comes around, the day that we lynch a heathen for the first time, and you dont vote that day. Day 6 you voted Ruth. Day 7 you helped lynch Jeph.

Reasons I dont like that
-IIRC, most of those mislynches were a situation where the bandwagon on the lynched player formed seemingly out of nowhere and completely overtook the then current majority vote on another player
-You were always one of the last 5 or so to place a vote on the mislynches, outside of day 4 and 7. Day 7 you barely miss that criteria. Like you're trying to play it safe. I know that I wait a while to vote and I dont have much movement to criticize you for this, but it seems like you wait and then pile on to the popular vote after everybody else has done it.
-Your missed vote on Day 5 wasnt due to a silence on night 4. I asked you that because there was a chance that MAYBE it was a coincidence and you possibly just werent able to vote. Herod was still alive at that point after all. But now that you yourself have said that you werent silenced, it looks worse.
-Not being on a mislynch on day 1 doesnt really give a good lock either, as you were the last to have placed a vote on Cain that day who was then subsequently lynched.
-Day 1 you voted for Cain, after Ruth did. Day 3 you voted for Mary Magdalene, after Ruth did. Day 4 you voted for Job, along with Uzziah. Day 5 you missed Uzziahs lynch entirely, so you probably had to vote for Ruth to cover your ass.

I know im probably reaching a bit here, but that whole thing makes me raise an eyebrow. "Why would I help push every mislynch as a heathen? That's too obvious.". Yes it is, but then again Uzziah was practically begging us to lynch him and he was a heathen, who's vote you so happened to miss. It wouldnt surprise me if you were trying to hide in plain sight with that after the stunt that Uzziah pulled on us for four straight days.

Well, I can't hide from my terrible vote record- it is, in fact, one of the worst looking of any player. I stated several times that I suck as a civvie and need 3-4 days to form opinions. Even then, my input is only really useful if we nab a baddie one of those first 3-4 days. I like to save my vote for near the end of the day in case I need to save myself. Day 4 I had to vote early because I had RL plans but it was a vote to save myself.

I will admit to totally dialing it in on Day 5 because I was removed from the poll. I laid low and started my re-read of the whole game, which provided the page full of notes on each player. I was truthful in that I abstained from voting because I hadn't read much of what had happened on Day 5. I said so in the thread. Had I not been exempt from the poll, I probably would have been the #1 suspect Day 5 and we might not have gotten on our hot streak.

I can give you a better refutation of your theory later tonight because I have RL plans to attend to.

Mordecai wrote:

Balaam wrote:I'd like for Mordecai to show up with plenty of time to discuss his theory on me and to explain his vote. Otherwise, he pulled a drive-by on me yesterday which is über-shady.

Answer me this question before I get ahead of myself here.

Were you silenced on night 4?

Additionally, I did kinda rush that vote. Like I said I almost slept through that shit. I try to wait till later in the phase to make a vote because I know I cant change it once I do. Unfortunately that doesnt always work well, seeing as how the phases were ending around 11PM in my time zone, and I have to get up for work at 5.

Hey there. No, I was not silenced Night 4. Why do you ask?

Yay for blocking the giant. Boo for Lot's weird early vote. Seriously, Lot better be stuck in some vote-forcing situation because he's one of the five "leaders" of this game so far (the others being Absalom, me, Belshazzar, and Rachel). We need some serious unity on today's vote or else we're going to have hootenanny on the television like yesterday. That. Can't. Happen. Again.

I still have the following as my major suspects:
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Deborah

I'd like for Mordecai to show up with plenty of time to discuss his theory on me and to explain his vote. Otherwise, he pulled a drive-by on me yesterday which is über-shady.

More technicolor awesomeness. This time I've added notes on those players who were NK'ed by the Heathens because it's highly unlikely they NK'ed one of their own before we found Uzz and Ruth.

Balaam wrote:DAY 1 RESULTS:

1. SAMUEL (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie
3. LOT (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
4. UZZIAH (Pilate)
5. REBECCA (Rachel)
6. PAUL (Martha)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
7. BARNABAS (Stephen)
8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
9. SAMSON (Mordecai)
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie
12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob)
16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca)
17. ABSALOM (Malchus)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)
19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)
21. SAMSON (Samuel)
22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
23. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
24. PAUL (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
26. GIDEON (Hagar)<---voter was the civvie smited after our first 3 civ stonings
27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
28. UZZIAH (Rahab)
29. CAIN (Balaam)

Not Voting: Barnabas, Bathsheba, Esther, Judas, Lazarus

Balaam wrote:Day 2 Results:

1. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
2. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
3. JOB (Rachel)
4. CAIN (Paul)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. CAIN (Absalom)
6. CAIN (Belshazzar)
7. CAIN (Deborah)
8. CAIN (Malchus)
9. UZZIAH (Lot)
10. CAIN (Rahab)
11. STEPHEN (Stephen)
12. CAIN (Balaam)
13. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
14. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
15. UZZIAH (Jonathan)
16. CAIN (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Barnabas (2), Cain, Esther (2), Gideon, Hagar, Isaac, Jacob, Jephthah, Jonah, Judah (2), Mary Mag, Mordecai, Nicodemus, Pilate, Ruth, Samuel

Balaam wrote:DAY 3 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. RACHEL (Lot)
4. RACHEL (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
5. UZZIAH (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
6. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
7. JOB (Isaac)
8. RAHAB (Jonah)
9. UZZIAH (Absalom)
10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
11. LAZARUS (Jonathan)
12. LAZARUS (Gideon)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
17. JOB (Rachel)
18. JOB (Esther)
19. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
20. UZZIAH (Rahab)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)

Day 3 Not Voting: Barnabas (3), Bathsheba (2), Hagar (2), Judah (3), Malchus, Pilate (2), Samuel (2), Stephen

Balaam wrote:DAY 4 Results:

1. RACHEL (Pilate)
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. BALAAM (Absalom)
4. BALAAM (Nicodemus)<---voter = NK'ed by heathens
5. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
6. JOB (Rachel)
7. BALAAM (Rebecca)
8. JOB (Stephen)
9. JOB (Jonah)
10. JOB (Samuel)
11. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
12. JOB (Balaam)
13. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
14. LAZARUS (Rahab)
15. RACHEL (Job)<---voter = civvie
16. BALAAM (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
17. JOB (Esther)
18. JOB (Jonathan)
19. BALAAM (Judah)
20. DEBORAH (Deborah)
21. JOB (Belshazzar)

Not Voting: Barnabas (4), Bathsheba (3), Isaac (2), Jacob (2), Lot, Malchus (2)

Balaam wrote:DAY 5 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Pilate)
2. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
3. UZZIAH (Stephen)
4. UZZIAH (Absalom)
5. SAMUEL (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
6. UZZIAH (Jonathan)
7. STEPHEN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. UZZIAH (Esther)
10. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
11. SAMUEL (Belshazzar)
12. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
13. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
14. UZZIAH (Rahab)
15. JEPHTHAH (Isaac)
16. UZZIAH (Rachel)
17. UZZIAH (Mordecai)
18. MALCHUS (Deborah)
19. JEPHTHAH (Jonah)


Not Voting: Balaam, Bathsheba (4), Jacob (3), Judah (4), Malchus (3)

Balaam wrote:DAY 6 Results:
1. RACHEL (Isaac)
2. RUTH (Absalom)
3. RUTH (Stephen)
4. ABSALOM (Pilate)
5. RUTH (Lot)
6. PILATE (Esther)
7. RUTH (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
8. RACHEL (Rebecca)
9. RACHEL (Mordecai)
10. PILATE (Rahab)
11. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
12. JACOB (Jonathan)
13. JACOB (Deborah)
14. RUTH (Rachel)
15. RACHEL (Jacob)
16. ABSALOM (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
17. RUTH (Balaam)
18. RUTH (Belshazzar)
19. RUTH (Samuel)
20. RUTH (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Jonah (2), Judah (5), Malchus (4)

Day 7 Results:
1. JONATHAN (Absalom)
2. PILATE (Esther)
3. JONATHAN (Pilate)
4. REBECCA (Jephthah)<---voter = civvie
5. REBECCA (Jacob)
6. JONATHAN (Stephen)
7. PILATE (Rahab)
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
10. JEPHTHAH (Balaam)
11. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
12. JEPHTHAH (Lazarus)
13. JEPHTHAH (Jonathan)
14. JONATHAN (Belshazzar)
15. JACOB (Rachel)
16. BALAAM (Mordecai)

Not Voting:
Bathsheba (5), Deborah, Isaac (3), Jonah (3), Judah (6), Malchus (5)



Wow. That run on Jephthah is shameful when presented this way.

The Heathens certainly appear to have been patient on Day 1. The first Day 1 voter that is on my radar to any serious degree is Mordecai. If I'm NK'ed, I really hope someone continues with these technicolor posts. It's easier for me to look at it this way instead of a horizontal bar graph.

RIP Jeph. Sorry dude, it seemed like you were trying to steer things away a little too conspicuously from the Jonathan and Jacob issue. Either you were really playing into your role by being so wishy washy or this was just a bad game for you.

Balaam wrote:Screw it, this like a middle school dance- awkward and uncertain.

Jephthah. Boom. *drops the mic*

I literally switched back and forth between Jeph and Jonathan before posting this. Every time I though I hit preview, someone else had posted and made me rethink the name I had in that post.

Absalom wrote:I'm a little surprised at the late push on Geoff. All day it was all Jacob all the time and then Jacob takes one lousy vote? Where did the enthusiasm for a Geoff lynched come from?

And before anyone jumps down my throat, I know a couple of people have suspected Geoff for a while, but not nearly the number that voted for him. I will have to look into this carefully ere morning comes.

Actually, the discussion was a lot of Jacob and Jonathan. The early vote push was for Jonathan. Then Jeph came in and went sideways on us and Jacob followed suit. I overreacted to what seemed like momentum away from Jonathan and sure enough, I contributed to it. Rachel's vote for Jacob is curious though as it did nothing to add to the day's votes except another spread. Ruth did the same thing on Day 4 when she voted Uzz while the rest of us were caught up in the Job or Balaam debacle. Not saying Rachel is bad- I still feel pretty good about her. I'm just saying that the "I'm voting for who I think is bad even though it's meaningless today" thing has been pulled already this game by a baddie. Still leaning Jonathan or Jacob for tomorrow.

Mordecai wrote:Almost slept through the poll. I have a theory, voting Balaam.

Screw it, this like a middle school dance- awkward and uncertain.

Jephthah. Boom. *drops the mic*

Lot wrote:I dunno, Balaam. I just don't know.

Mordecai? Jephthah? Jonathan? Deborah?

A Mordecai vote could tell us more about Jephthah. So could a Jephthah vote, though, lol. I already took down Ruth because I thought she might be linked to Jephthah, and she came back bad too.

Why not Jacob?

What the fricky frack is going on here?!?

Jepthah, I appreciate you trying to theorize but your dancing out of rhythm and with two left feet. I'm surprised to see Belshazzar waffling like this to be honest.

Lot, Absalom- what to do? We chucking at Jonathan if Lazarus continues to hold us in suspense? I have to vote like right now.

Jephthah wrote:Isaac voted before for Rachel before Ruth even had a vote and it was long before the first person, i.e. Absalom, started talking about her. And Issac's vote seemed like an annoyed vote for someone who he thought was framing him. It could have been fabricated, but I don't see it.

The next non Ruth vote is Pilate who voted for Absalom. Yeah, it can be an attempt for a save, but if it is, why not find a reason to vote Rachel too, to make this closer? Still, Ruth has only 2 votes at that point, so it's an open game.

Now Ruth gets another vote, and is leading 3 to 1 (on Rachel and Absalom). Next vote comes from Esther on Pilate. If you're trying to save Ruth, that's not the way to go, spreading it yet again. Better to wait and see where things are going. So I'm ruling Ester out for now.

Ruth gets another vote and is now 4 to 1. Still a chance to save her, but baddies need to move things. Now come in Rebecca and Mordecai and cast two consecutive votes for Rachel. I doubt they would be so obvious to put two baddie votes together, but I'm putting money on one of them being bad.

Rest of the analysis in the next post to cut this one short :P

-Agree on Isaac (for now)
-Reasonable assumption on Esther
-I'll have to go back to see if it feels like an attempt to ignite momentum on Rachel

Jephthah wrote:Continuing:
Side note: everything I've said is under the assumption Rachel is not bad, but it's also possible that she decided to cast a vote that would be at the most crucial time, when she herself was gaining momentum as a lynch candidate. That would establish a fantastic distance. But I'm going on with the first option first.

Now comes the Tricky part. Ruth has 4 votes and Rachel has 3. Assuming Rachel is good, they can't all bandwagon on the same person- 2 at most. So they either wait, or they cast a vote on another candidate and see how it develops with Ruth.

While I write this, I go back to the option that Rachel is bad, because I don't get the voting pattern otherwise. It's silly to jump in and vote for another person who doesn't have any votes, unless they were already giving Ruth up and planning for the day after because a civvie lynch would just secure Ruth's guilt. If that's the case, why not just vote for Ruth herself?
That would make Belshazaar the candidate for a baddie among the Ruth voters. Not too early, and not too late.

I wouldn't say Rachel was gaining momentum when she voted. There were four non-Rachel votes in a row. I'll go back and look for when the Rachel momentum fell apart.

I don't think this theory has as firm a foundation as mine.

My theory lacks a third Heathen. It's possible Rebecca or Mordecai fit that mold. The timing of some of their votes could be intriguing. Blow your ideas up to the macro level- apply your suspicions from Day 1 on and show how the people you suspect fit into a larger picture alongside the votes by Uzz and Ruth. We're past the point of taking it day by day imo. Build a full case and we'll see if it all gels.

blah. my reading comprehension skills let me down there. Let me read through all that again.

Jonathan wrote:Yes it is far fetched. Maybe there is one heathen but it isn't me. And on your above set of "facts" you are ascribing meaning that isn't there. For example, and most importantly that I voted Uzziah early on day 5 so that my vote wouldn't be suspicious. I vote when I'm ready to vote - some days that is late and some days that is early. And I did not vote Jacob for cred when Jacob gets lynched as you say on Day 6. I voted him because the info we had on Ruth at the end convinced me she wasn't on Uzziah's team. You twist things like this all through your presentation. I don't think you are bad, I think you want to believe I am bad so are finding things that could fit the bill if you give those things meaning that isn't there.

I'm applying baddie logic, which is perfectly reasonable once two baddies from the same team have been sniffed out.

Jephthah wrote:In any case, if we belive Rachel isn't bad, then I think we should vote for either Mordecai or Rebecca. Question is-who?

And if you're like me, who doesn't think Rachel is bad? What do you arrive at then?

NOTE: Day 5- Jonathan voted Uzz

Yeah, still not feeling great about Jonathan either. My gut tells me that Jacob and Jonathan are two of the remaining three Heathens. Is that so far fetched?

Day 1:
-Uzz does his thing thing, succeeds at confusing us all
-Jacob joins the Samson train early
-Jonathan makes Samson more of a sure thing (3 vote lead)
-Uzz & Ruth vote for the other bandwagon after Samson has been put away
-Heathens split their votes between two civvie bandwagons


Day 2:
-Uzz continues his thing thing
-Everyone piles on the Cain train again because he was a sourpuss
-Jonathan votes for Uzz late to get some cred
-Jacob & Ruth miss the vote...


Day 3:
-Uzz does his thing thing again
-Not seeing enough bloodlust for Rachel to vote there, Jonathan and Jacob split their votes between two other interesting options to keep others close to Uzz's tally
-Mary Mag proves to be as pleasant as Cain
-Civvies pepper her with votes
-Ruth piles on at the end once Uzz is only 1 vote shy of tying Mary for the lead


Day 4:
-Uzz...
-Ruth throws a vote onto her teammate because we've forgotten about him in the Job v. Balaam trains (cred grab)
-Jonathan can pick either civvie train to ride again and says someone else's case has him convinced on Job (shrugging responsibility)
-Jacob missed the vote


Day 5:
-Uzz gets three of the first five votes
-Heathens see the writing on the wall
-Jonathan votes early because early voters on a baddie aren't usually suspicious
-Ruth votes Uzz to keep his lead up (team Heathen hoping to score some serious cred by not letting a civvie comeback happen)
-Jacob misses the vote


Day 6:
-Jonathan votes Jacob in an attempt to build cred for when Jacob gets lynched
-Jacob tries to keep the Rachel train alive
-Ruth votes in desperation hoping that Lazarus is Simon
-Last minute votes trump possible Simon shenanigans

Okay, so I re-read Jacob and I haven't seen anything to make me feel any better about him. Anyone not named Jacob want to give me some reasons why I am off base in leaning his way in the vote? Also, I think that I may have caught the vaguest of references in one of Jacob's posts that could be construed as a hint at a role. Not sure I buy it as a hint though. Belsh, you say you think you spotted it. Coincidence or not?

Now to re-read Jonathan.

Absalom wrote:

Balaam wrote:

Lot wrote:I could not be further from agreeing with the reasons for voting for Jonathan. Jonathan would be more of a last ditch vote if the other options failed, for me. I'm not sure how our eyes have fallen off seriously poor voting records (Jacob, Isaac, Deborah) for one that is average at worst. I don't understand why people aren't looking at Jonathan's day three vote and seeing what a terribly bad vote it would be if he was Uzz's teammate. Not sure how it is seen by Absalom as justifying their connection?

Let's chat about that, Lot. I agree that Jacob and Deborah look worse than Jonathan still. I plan on doing more review work tomorrow before the lynch. I won't jump the gun on anybody. We're too darn close nabbing a third one to get hasty.

See, I just don't get this. I just looked at Jacob and Deborah's voting records, and neither of them look worse than Jonathan's to me. Jacob has missed a bunch of votes, which I think is less likely to happen when you have teammates to remind you to show up. Deborah has been part of too many bandwagons. I think baddies are usually more careful than that.

I think Jonathan's Day 3 vote is incredibly suspect. It was safe to vote Uzziah on Day 2. He wasn't going anywhere. It wasn't safe to vote for him on Day 3. He might actually have been lynched. And the reason he gave for switching his vote between those two days was vague and flimsy.

What do you guys think of the "don't lynch me, or other people will think you're bad and you'll be next" defense he gave? Did no one else find that incredibly weird?

I guess we're just reading things differently when we analyze the votes. I'll try to keep your points in mind the next time I review the votes.

And yeah, the "just you wait and see what they'll do to you" defense is always weird. I can't knock it too much though, because I lobbed that one at you and Nicodemus on Day 4.

Or maybe you don't want to talk about it. Suit yourself, Lot.

Now to re-read a few people. I'll take a look at Esther, Rebecca, and Pilate. That shouldn't take long.

Lot wrote:I could not be further from agreeing with the reasons for voting for Jonathan. Jonathan would be more of a last ditch vote if the other options failed, for me. I'm not sure how our eyes have fallen off seriously poor voting records (Jacob, Isaac, Deborah) for one that is average at worst. I don't understand why people aren't looking at Jonathan's day three vote and seeing what a terribly bad vote it would be if he was Uzz's teammate. Not sure how it is seen by Absalom as justifying their connection?

Let's chat about that, Lot. I agree that Jacob and Deborah look worse than Jonathan still. I plan on doing more review work tomorrow before the lynch. I won't jump the gun on anybody. We're too darn close nabbing a third one to get hasty.

Rachel wrote:Let's also just remember that Heathens might not be our only problem. While I highly doubt Absalom is a Heathen, he could be a Horseman, and we don't know how much of a threat they are.

I follow you. I've been wary of it all game. Getting on a roll with these Heathens makes me a little more optimistic about this though:

Epignosis wrote:The Righteous
Eliminate The Heathens and survive

I'm hoping survive means 'be alive when the Heathens are gone' and not 'survive when the Horsemen open Pandora's Box.'

Dude, Absalom, I floated that theory already. I said you were Horseman at worst. Chillax bro.

Oh, and ditto everything Absalom has been saying. After he caught Ruth and dropped the mic, the guy is on fire.

Jonathan wrote:Each of those votes was a reasonable vote on the day of the vote. You pointed out I voted Uzziah 4th - that was well before it was obvious he was going to take the day. I also voted him another day because I was suspicious of him. Did you read my posts? Did you see what I was thinking about uzziah? I would bet that you didn't.

You may have caught Ruth and you may get me lynched which will convince some people that are on the fence about you where your allegiance lies.

Yes but that's the point of blending in as a baddie. Make each vote seem sensible on each day. We're talking macro now- the big picture. Taking it day by day, sure it looks okay. But looking at it as a whole compared with the moves of two confirmed Heathens, it looks very fishy.

Jonathan wrote:Absalom, after the day I voted for Uzziah Balaam theorized Uzziah was just messing with us and i took note of that observation because I have through the whole game listened to Balaam. Below is my post right before I voted. I had decided to back of Uzziah and try to get a better grip on him.

Jonathan wrote:After giving more though to a Uzziah vote again today I have decided to wait and give that another day or two to develop. He has been silent today (at least I didn't see anything from him) but I don't know if he is laying low or legitimately silenced. I have chosen to go with Lazarus today for the reasons that Mordecai and Balaam brought up today. One thing that does concern me is that maybe he has been silenced but I'm going to take the risk in his case.

Flattery gets you nowhere. Trying to set me up to go down with you gets you lynched.

Belshazzar wrote:

Balaam wrote:3) While it would be a bummer to lose out on Elijah's fireworks display, there's still a chance we've got our resident spear-chucker out there. Perhaps we can come to consensus on a runner-up to be skewered?

I don't think we would find out the alignment of Phineas' victim, since Phineas himself won't be made aware. Would ninja killing a Heathen be the same as stoning a Heathen, i.e. Night phase be skipped again? Not sure on that, but I'm inclined to think the answer is no and, thus, we would not find out if the choice was right, even if we create consensus and Phineas would comply.

I wasn't really worried on the knowing aspect of it. We wouldn't know. But we could kill someone we don't like.


Seeing some of the other chatter, here are my thoughts:

Either Jacob and Jonathan are both baddies or Jacob is Heathen and is trying to set Jonathan up after Jacob flips Heathen.

Jacob, Jonathan, and Deborah are still my top 3 suspicions. Need to re-read some more of the quiet folk.

Absalom wrote:

Balaam wrote: Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?

Jonathan, and I'm not sure of the other. Maybe Mordecai. I don't think Jacob is bad, but it's just a gut read, so I might be wrong.

Jonathan is on my must re-read list. Not sure I feel your gut read on Jacob. After all, you had a gut read on me once...

Okay, here's the update Technicolor vote lists. I'm going to re-read Day 6 and take some notes over lunch. Some questions/thoughts at the end...

Balaam wrote:DAY 1 RESULTS:

1. SAMUEL (Paul)
2. SAMUEL (Samson)<---voter = civvie
3. LOT (Gideon)
4. UZZIAH (Pilate)
5. REBECCA (Rachel)
6. PAUL (Martha)
7. BARNABAS (Stephen)
8. UZZIAH (Job) <---voter = civvie
9. SAMSON (Mordecai)
10. SAMSON (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
11. ABSALOM (Cain)<---voter = civvie
12. CAIN (Deborah)
13. CAIN (Absalom)
14. SAMSON (Isaac)
15. SAMSON (Jacob)
16. JEPHTHA (Rebecca)
17. ABSALOM (Malchus)
18. SAMSON (Jonathan)
19. MARY MAG (Jonah)
20. SAMSON (Belshazzar)
21. SAMSON (Samuel)
22. CAIN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
23. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
24. PAUL (Nicodemus)
25. CAIN (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
26. GIDEON (Hagar)
27. MARY MAG (Jephthah)
28. UZZIAH (Rahab)
29. CAIN (Balaam)

Not Voting: Barnabas, Bathsheba, Esther, Judas, Lazarus

Balaam wrote:Day 2 Results:

1. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
2. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
3. JOB (Rachel)
4. CAIN (Paul)
5. CAIN (Absalom)
6. CAIN (Belshazzar)
7. CAIN (Deborah)
8. CAIN (Malchus)
9. UZZIAH (Lot)
10. CAIN (Rahab)
11. STEPHEN (Stephen)
12. CAIN (Balaam)
13. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
14. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
15. UZZIAH (Jonathan)
16. CAIN (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Barnabas (2), Cain, Esther (2), Gideon, Hagar, Isaac, Jacob, Jephthah, Jonah, Judah (2), Mary Mag, Mordecai, Nicodemus, Pilate, Ruth, Samuel

Balaam wrote:DAY 3 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Job)<---voter = civvie
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. RACHEL (Lot)
4. RACHEL (Mary Mag)<---voter = civvie
5. UZZIAH (Nicodemus)
6. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
7. JOB (Isaac)
8. RAHAB (Jonah)
9. UZZIAH (Absalom)
10. MARY MAG (Rebecca)
11. LAZARUS (Jonathan)
12. LAZARUS (Gideon)
13. MARY MAG (Jacob)
14. MARY MAG (Belshazzar)
15. MARY MAG (Jephthah)
16. MARY MAG (Deborah)
17. JOB (Rachel)
18. JOB (Esther)
19. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
20. UZZIAH (Rahab)
21. MARY MAG (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
22. MARY MAG (Balaam)

Day 3 Not Voting: Barnabas (3), Bathsheba (2), Hagar (2), Judah (3), Malchus, Pilate (2), Samuel (2), Stephen

Balaam wrote:DAY 4 Results:

1. RACHEL (Pilate)
2. JOB (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
3. BALAAM (Absalom)
4. BALAAM (Nicodemus)
5. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
6. JOB (Rachel)
7. BALAAM (Rebecca)
8. JOB (Stephen)
9. JOB (Jonah)
10. JOB (Samuel)
11. LAZARUS (Mordecai)
12. JOB (Balaam)
13. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
14. LAZARUS (Rahab)
15. RACHEL (Job)<---voter = civvie
16. BALAAM (Jephthah)
17. JOB (Esther)
18. JOB (Jonathan)
19. BALAAM (Judah)
20. DEBORAH (Deborah)
21. JOB (Belshazzar)

Not Voting: Barnabas (4), Bathsheba (3), Isaac (2), Jacob (2), Lot, Malchus (2)

Balaam wrote:DAY 5 Results:

1. UZZIAH (Pilate)
2. JEPHTHAH (Rebecca)
3. UZZIAH (Stephen)
4. UZZIAH (Absalom)
5. SAMUEL (Jephthah)
6. UZZIAH (Jonathan)
7. STEPHEN (Uzziah)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
8. JEPHTHAH (Lot)
9. UZZIAH (Esther)
10. JEPHTHAH (Samuel)
11. SAMUEL (Belshazzar)
12. UZZIAH (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
13. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
14. UZZIAH (Rahab)
15. JEPHTHAH (Isaac)
16. UZZIAH (Rachel)
17. UZZIAH (Mordecai)
18. MALCHUS (Deborah)
19. JEPHTHAH (Jonah)


Not Voting: Balaam, Bathsheba (4), Jacob (3), Judah (4), Malchus (3)

DAY 6 Results:
1. RACHEL (Isaac)
2. RUTH (Absalom)
3. RUTH (Stephen)
4. ABSALOM (Pilate)
5. RUTH (Lot)
6. PILATE (Esther)
7. RUTH (Jephthah)
8. RACHEL (Rebecca)
9. RACHEL (Mordecai)
10. PILATE (Rahab)
11. ABSALOM (Lazarus)
12. JACOB (Jonathan)
13. JACOB (Deborah)
14. RUTH (Rachel)
15. RACHEL (Jacob)
16. ABSALOM (Ruth)<===VOTER = HEATHEN
17. RUTH (Balaam)
18. RUTH (Belshazzar)
19. RUTH (Samuel)
20. RUTH (Bathsheba)

Not Voting: Jonah (2), Judah (5), Malchus (4)


1) Does anyone think that Samuel and/or Bathsheba are exonerated by the stoning result? Their votes were sudden and very last minute when the race was theoretically close (if Lazarus is Simon). If Laz is Simon, then Samuel's vote was the clincher. The question is whether or not he was paying attention to the vote tally theories before he jumped in and voted. Had he not been aware of it, he may have thought he was just bandwagoning. Bathsheba has barely participated in this game at all, missing 4 votes and hardly posting, which makes me think more and more that she is just an indifferent player and finally got around to doing something (perhaps after a nudge from the host?).

2) I slightly disagree with Rachel on where to look for the next Heathen. I agree on looking at those who voted for Rachel but the votes for Jacob and Pilate concern me more than the votes for Absalom. Look at my color list and consider this:
-Ruth takes an early 2-vote lead
-Esther jumps on Pilate, adding another name to the spread
-Jeph casts his vote for Ruth, making it a 3-vote lead
-Momentum stops for a while
-Rachel picks up the next 2 votes
-Pilate gets another vote
-Absalom picks up the magical mystery vote from Lazarus
-Two votes suddenly come in for Jacob now that things are pretty spread out and it looks like the Ruth wagon lost its mojo
-Rachel votes to keep Ruth 2 votes ahead of her
-Jacob votes to keep Rachel close to Ruth
-Ruth votes Absalom in the hopes of Lazarus being the Walrus
-Then things pick up again for Ruth as we become wary of the Lazarus Theory

Lots of spreading going on with the votes for Rachel, Jacob, and Pilate. Does anyone honestly have a strong positive read on any of the following:
-Deborah
-Esther
-Isaac
-Jacob
-Jonathan
-Mordecai
-Rahab
-Rebecca

I bet there are two Heathens in that list. But who?


3) While it would be a bummer to lose out on Elijah's fireworks display, there's still a chance we've got our resident spear-chucker out there. Perhaps we can come to consensus on a runner-up to be skewered?

4) It seems to me that Judah and Mlachus have abandoned the game. Anyone got reason to believe they're threatening their P-Score to play out a slothful yet nefarious Heathen plot?

Oh hell yes! Nice work folks. I think Day 6 should help us find another one of these Heathens.

Belshazzar wrote:

Balaam wrote:Let's see, that's Jonah's 2nd missed vote, Malchus's 4th, and Judah's 5th. Not chastising Jonah. Malchus & Judah though?

Didn't Judah vote for you once? Day 4 or so? That would make it only his 4th (small consolation :P )

That was his only vote all game. 5th miss.

Let's see, that's Jonah's 2nd missed vote, Malchus's 4th, and Judah's 5th. Not chastising Jonah. Malchus & Judah though?

Rachel wrote:You have jumped like seven sharks.

I prefer to keep them behind me.

Belshazzar wrote:And Ruth just voted Absalom. She can't possibly have been silenced, right??

Not unless the baddies can silence regardless of Night Phase. She made a post on Day 5. Night 5 was skipped, so...