The Syndicate

Saito

Thank you Ameerah for that synopsis. Maybe it would be helpful to know why Laine is still pinged by Queran when he even admits the case against her/him was based on Jorhan being bad, which he of course wasn't. Laine, what else are you seeing there?

And thank you Gobnait for answering my question. I am starting to lean civv on you.

Saito

Etain, I felt that way at the beginning too but you get used to it and the names come more easily to your tongue.

Bac, I tried to translate what you said with google translate. The words came out all english but they are all scrambled up. Sounds like you are making a comment or asking something about the voting. Maybe you can rephrase making it shorter.

Starting midday tomorrow and lasting through wednesday I will only be able to access this thread on my phone. I will do my best to stay current and vote or keep you posted as to why that won't be possible. I will be back to normal Wednesday night.

Saito

Finnian can you add your thoughts on who to look at for the lynch?

Saito

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:
Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, excellent work on the chart again, Shand! Very useful. I hadn't thought of your and Bac's voting records being so bad (no offense). And can Finnian explain why he's missed both polls? Obviously it hurts him more than us if he loses his NP for missing, but it's still curious

And I forgot to say in my last post: Laine, who do you find suspicious? I'm curious to hear what you think.
I'm not sure, really. But I don't get great vibes from Queran and I'm still undecided about Bronwyn and Fane. Though, since the whole Jorhan vote (if he's bad then the Caillic voters are and if he's good, they seem to be in the clear), I may be wrong about Queran.

Laine, I will be happy to speak to any suspicions you have about me.

Saito

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, excellent work on the chart again, Shand! Very useful. I hadn't thought of your and Bac's voting records being so bad (no offense). And can Finnian explain why he's missed both polls? Obviously it hurts him more than us if he loses his NP for missing, but it's still curious

And I forgot to say in my last post: Laine, who do you find suspicious? I'm curious to hear what you think.

I meant to comment on this regarding it hurts Finnian worse than it hurts us for him to not be able to use his ability. If he is civv, it definitely hurts us unless he is a role like the Little Red Riding hood who doesnt really have a night action. The civv night actions are there for our benefit. Now if he's bad of course, him not using his night actions is good.

Finnian, what do you have to say about all of these thoughts about you?

Saito

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:I agree that we need to hear more from her to know what she's thinking. The idea that she voted Jorhan to clear herself is a clever one.

I've reread most of the posters in the 10-15 post range now. My impressions are far from set in stone, especially with so little to go on, but I thought I'd share anyway.

I don't know what to make of Mainchin yet. His table switch on Day 1 seemed suspect to me (who had incentive to switch? Only baddies, to change their team distribution. All tables were full, and we didn't know what would happen regarding the vote, so there was no reason for a civ to switch). He hasn't said anything super pingy since then though, in my opinion.

Rhinfrew has seemed pretty helpful, and I'm also reading kind of civ on Ameerah, Izett, and Euro Livin' at this point. With a very low degree of certainty, as I said.

I feel less good about Finnian, who has put forward no game-related ideas in any form so far. I'm very torn on Fane, who says he's new, and Lyel, who cited rl reasons for low participation. My thoughts on either of them would be pure guesswork

Does anyone else have a read on the players I mentioned that they'd like to share? I'm trying to generate discussion about players who haven't been discussed much so far

I have the same concerns about Finnian for much the same reason. He has added absolutely nothing to the discussion and he hasn't voted either time. I saw him here during this last vote so it wasn't that he got tied up in something real life - he was here and could have voted. Fane does sound very new and Lyel sounded genuine to me about his rl activities so I tend to want to give them both the botd this round.

I need to re-read the thread to get a better read on some of the more active players but I am concerned that it is the active players who are getting the negative attention because they are speaking.

Gobnait, could you share what you are still seeing about Queran? I thought the suspicion was based on her vote for Caillic in that it was supposedly saving a bad Johran. Since that turned out to not be true I'm curious what you are seeing at this point.

Saito

RIPIYWG Dilan and Gaerwen.

Saito

Ok, thanks.

Saito

Dilan what did you see or do you see about Lyel besides the early vote for Jorhan that makes you suspicious?

Saito

The Yellow Gypsies would prefer to investigate candy in case eating it will be part of the investigation. Therefore, the Vicerene picks candy on behalf of her troupe.

Saito

RIP Jorhan. The Yellow Gypsies wish me to express their heartfelt apologies for participating in your lynch. Also, whoever you are, the Vicerine very much enjoyed playing with you. Now, lets find a baddie.

Saito

It looks like Grutfud Orangesprite voted but didn't post. Maybe s/he will come back and tell us what made him vote for Jorhan.

Saito

I really don't like to vote for someone who has not responded to the allegations against him or her but I'm afraid I won't be around later to vote so I need to do it now. I know that I did not vote Caillic to save Jorhan but that doesn't mean Jorhan isn't bad. It's what he did after the vote that drives my suspicion of him. So again, I will vote Jorhan now in case I can't get back until after the vote.

vote Jorhan

Saito

I tried to follow some of the postings yesterday on my phone but I totally missed this post by Gobnait that tries to tie me and Queran together as bad and also makes a false statement about my question to Caillic about her vote. If i had seen it I would have responded. At this point, Queran has already pointed out the problems with Gobnaits post and the implications thereof so I'm going to confine my comment to the back and forth between us that he/she finds problematic.

I play these games to have fun. I thought Queran's post was funny with respect to the names he/she had made up so I replied in kind. We had a little fun. I have seen others having fun, I thought I would have a little bit too. That's all it was. I do not have bts with Queran and maybe Gobnait is new but to cook up something in bts about kidding around in the thread would be ridiculous. I also find it odd that Gobnait wouldn't also think the kidding around I was doing about finding wine at the castle was also an example of me and a teammate cooking up some kidding around to be taken to the thread. It seems the suspicion only exists when it's tied to Queran.

Saito

Hello Finnian, do you have any thoughts on today's vote?

Saito

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:Only three people chose grandma's house, including me. Considering the two others who are watching granny crochet and dip snuff (some bloke named Lawrence Welk comes on in a minute, so she asks that I "hurry the hell up"):

I don't know Shand from a shandy, and I don't much like shandies. If I'm going to drink lemonade, I'll add it to vodka, not beer. Shand has been helpful, but Shand voted for Caillic, and Carmen voted Caillic mentioning trust. Trust on Day 1...hell, I hardly have trust on Day 5. Bothers me.

I think people are making sense about Jorhan. Jorhan missed the vote, and then within the hour proceeded to analyze all of the Caillic voters, going so far as to praise Shand for "gun sticking." Sounds like a net cast wide if you ask me:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=148&p=19514#p19514

My only reservation regarding Jorhan comes from last night's poll. Thoughts?

linki: I'm not saying there are winners and losers. I'm just saying one choice had an overwhelming number of people vote for it. That's all I mean by "win."

Jorhan missing the vote and then coming right in to analyze everyone who voted Caillic pinged me as well, and I thought it was odd he praised Shand and then made that comment about me trying to hold him hostage. I didn't understand why he characterized Shand as gun sticking to begin with, and as I've already said his comment that I was trying to hold him hostage did not make any sense given the situation. We've got another day to see what develops but so far I'm the most suspicious of Jorhan.

Saito

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:
Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Linki with Shand: I hadn't thought of that, but having the Princess check a townie on purpose does seem a waste of time. On the other hand, why ask to be checked if you are bad? You'd be caught right away! Another instance where I'm flummoxed by Bronwyn's strategy no matter what side she's on. That does make for two preemptive defenses in a row though (the first being holding her vote on Day 1 despite being unlikely to be lynched). If nothing else she seems confused and paranoid to me.

I found Bronwyn's defensiveness after receiving a single vote odd as well. Almost everyone received a vote on Day 1 and no one else responded with such vigor.

I am in the car so this will be short. I am used to games where you expected to respond if you are voted for with reason. The vote for me was not random. Also I am not paranid or cofused. Someone said I was shady and I'd appreciate pulling a quote that illustrates that because I dont understand that comment. Finally I only offer my statement for the princess to show I'm telling the truth. She need not check it if there is someone more suspicious.

Saito

I will not be in the thread tomorrow for real life reasons and will be spotty on Saturday and Sunday (it is mothers day weekend and my family does a lot of things with my mom over the weekend). I should not have a problem voting though and will hopefully be on enough to comment on suspicions.

Saito

Or perhaps goodhearted is a problematic word in which case I would say: I am not capable now or in the future as i know it today, nor am I a member of a bts group who is capable now or in the future of extinguishing life. I would be most grateful if the princess would check my background.

Saito

I was not saying those who extinguished Lustoushair were devilish. In fact, I am a but a goodhearted gypsy without bts. Perhaps my friend the princess can check my background to assure that what I say is true.

Saito

Shand Azureye wrote: Caillic. With the initial few votes scattered across more than half a dozen people, all the Big Bad Baddies had to do was to pick a target and pour in just enough votes to seal the deal. I wish, as I have often wished in the past, the mafia gods could decree that all games commence at day 2.

Actually, as the gypsies well know, it is the mafia who wants the vote as spread out as possible so that it only takes a few votes to lynch a civv.

Saito

The Vicerine has found the wine and is happy to share with the Archduke.

Saito

As a Vicerine, I have been invited to several castles and would feel more safe than in the woods or at Grandma's House.

Saito

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:Psst.

Want to know a secret?

I'm a-scared.

Saito

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:
Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Dilan Bluemoss wrote:The Purple Sea Elves welcome the inebria- I mean illustrious Viceroy of the Djins back from the dead with garlands of seaweed and the finest pearls.
I'd pawn the pearls for a drink and wipe my arse with the garlands...but there ain't no pawnshops...and *hic*...I ain't got no arse...
Well I never.

This is why the Yellow Gypsies did not procure a gift...we have met this kind before.

Saito

I almost forgot, welcome Rhinfrew Flowingrass!

Saito

There was no intent to hold you hostage. Holding you hostage would mean I'm asking for something in return for you. The cold fact was I might have needed to vote for you for defensive purposes. This happens all the time in mafia. If those last two Happiness voters had voted for me bringing me to three and I could only escape lynch by voting for you that's what I would have had to do. This is not uncommon, so I'm not sure why you're having the reaction you're having.

I did not notice that I rambled but if I did that was my mistake. I'm not flustered at all - I've played many games and not much gets me flustered anymore. I meant to speak strictly to the accusation and show why it did not make sense. I do not have bts in this game so I dont have any teammates to stand up for me. I am a civv and will stand up for myself if others accuse me.

linki with Bac, Fane's explanation seemed real to me as well. And Fane if you're new, just hang it there it will get easier.

Saito

I will just use regular speak to say RIP Caillic, i obviously used bad judgement in deciding to vote for you. I wish I knew who you were, but I guess we have to wait to endgame for that.

Saito

At this late moment, the Vicerine of the Yellow Gypsies votes for Lustroushair for the afore mentioned reasons.

Saito

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Delightful Bronwin Mightyfeet:

The Illustrious Me, etc. etc. Decided to vote for Callic Lustroushair after reading over their posts as I promised I would read over all posts. After doing so I noticed their post stating their vote for for Ameerah Frolicstag, with the expressed hope that Ameerah was not lynched for such an unhappy reason.

Where I come from, we Moonlit Tropics Krackens are taught by the mighty Don Cheadle-Kracken that if you truly do not wish for someone to get lynched, you will vote for someone else.

O Great Illustrious You, etc. etc. I did notice the expressed hope that Ameerah was not lynched and thought it very odd. I also noticed s/he did not respond to the vote placed for her earlier, giving us her side of the story. In gypsy land the innocent always defend themselves. As a member of the Table of Peace I look toward Caillic Lustroushair for a vote, unless the votes come in for me or do not come in before i have to vote from the two missing Table of Happiness voters. Without knowing how they will vote or if they vote for me I will be forced to vote for Poisondart in defense. We shall see how it goes, and again Praise to your leader!

Saito

Oh Illustrious You, King Regent of the Moonlit Krackens, Protector of the (table of) Peace, Conqueror of Squidmark the Malignant, Defender of the Crowned Jewels of His Majesty Don Cheadle-Kracken, Singer of Hyms, Rhymer of Rhymes, Maker of Lists and Rambler in Charge of the Doctrines of our Holy and Most Serene Kingdom of the Moonlit Krackens, was there a specific dangerous intent you found Lustroushair guilty of or was it an overall feeling of ill repute and danger? Praise be to Don Cheadle-Kracken and thank you my colleague of Peace.

Saito

Caillic Lustroushair wrote:I shall vote for Ameerah Frolicstag, as they were the last one to sit at the Table of Happiness, in hopes that they are not actually belynched for such an unhappy reason.

Caillic, was there anything you wanted to say about the vote for you?

Saito

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:It is difficult. There is no denying that. It is also difficult to select someone to lynch on Day One. We stand by our decision, however. It is only one vote, so pray do not be unduly alarmed. Your death is far from a certainty.

I know it is just one vote but on a day 1 when no one really knows who to vote it is easy just to jump on someone else's vote thinking whatever reasoning they are using is better than nothing. This is particularly dangerous when it comes to your vote because those of you voting for the Peace table will control the lynch today so I am very passionate about making sure I am clear when it comes to my feelings about the vote. Also, just so everyone knows what we are talking about here is the quote where I supposedly presented myself as hapless and confused, and I'm inferring from that you mean I'm trying to appear hapless and confused so no one will vote for me (though I am honestly not 100% sure what makes you think I am a baddie even if you do think I'm trying to appear hapless and confused. Maybe if you could explain that at some point I would better understand.):

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:It's ok Rox. Most important thing is for you to feel better.

I don't have any ideas yet for suspects at the Love table. I don't know about you guys, but I'm having a little trouble here at the beginning keeping straight which person is saying what because all the names are unfamiliar as well as being a mouthful. Hopefully that will change as we go through this first day.

Now if this were my only post I might be able to stretch it and see why you would think I'm trying to appear how you say. But its not my only post, and I think my others show that I'm not too confused to participate or understand what people are saying.

I'll leave this alone for now unless someone has questions or comments you want me to respond to.

linki

Saito

I am not feigning confusion. Someone else even agreed with me that learning all these new names that are a mouthful and differentiating them from each other, i.e. remembering who has said what is more confusing than a normal game. Do you disagree with this? Is it just as easy for you as a normal game? Maybe so, and if so that is great for you. Other than that one comment I have participated in other discussions. I haven't laid low saying my confusion was too great to be able to participate at this time. It was an innocent comment. I am civv, not some baddie feigning confusion. If there is anything I can tell you about my thinking that will help in understanding please let me know and I will be happy to explain.

Saito

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:The Purple Sea Elves have held a vote and have decided to cast our ballot for Bronwyn Mightyfeet, Vicerine of the Yellow Gypsies. Lyel and Carmen should be advised that their names were mentioned as well and we would very much like to hear more from them in the future.

You cast a vote for me for what reason? I am not confused and hapless, I only mentioned that getting to know these names is a little difficult. I think you have me confused with someone else.

Saito

I'm also likely to vote the lowest poster from the Love table unless something makes me suspicious during the day tomorrow which may very well happen. I believe there is someone sitting at the Love table who has not posted at all in the thread, Royalskull so s/he won't appear on the list. I hate defaulting to low poster so I hope something comes up tomorrow but just in case, that is my plan.

Saito

Gobnait, I noticed in the hosts post they said the poll would end 6:00 pm Eastern time on Wednesday.

Saito

It's ok Rox. Most important thing is for you to feel better.

I don't have any ideas yet for suspects at the Love table. I don't know about you guys, but I'm having a little trouble here at the beginning keeping straight which person is saying what because all the names are unfamiliar as well as being a mouthful. Hopefully that will change as we go through this first day.

Saito

Google translate hasn't worked well for me when I'm just trying to tranlate things native speakers say into English (it gets words in the wrong place and many times garbles the message so that its unintelligible) but if we were translating the message through google and then translate it back using google it would probably do fine. I'm willing to try that if it's what the group wants to do.

Also, how do you all know that you are elves and other things? I googled my name and got nothing.

Saito

I was mistaken earlier. Each table has to have a minimum of 5 - I read it wrong.

Saito

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:By the way, is it strange to anyone else that there are 25 players listed but only 18 roles? Any ideas what that could be about?

Yes, plus don't the tables only fit 15? Very odd this is so far.

Saito

I think happiness and maybe love would grow from Peace so if I counted right I'll be the fifth person at the Peace table.

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