The Syndicate

I picked 1

nice result

yea I'm voting Mary. It seems she has admitted defeat at this point.

Goodnight Merga. I am going to bed shortly as well.

Merga Bien wrote:So Entjen, what do you think of Alizon & Malin voting for Maret since she does not want to lynch low posters? I know I am over simplifying, but that is pretty much what it amounts to.

IMO it seemed like some impulse voting. I don't know if its just how I was reading some of these interactions but it seemed like some tempers flaring and just voting because of some disagreements going on. (probably not the best way to describe it, but I am at a loss for the correct wording I am looking for at the moment)
Even though you clearly think I am bad, I am still open to all options but am more willing to listen to those willing to give me a chance at this point.
I would like to not have to vote to save myself, but it seems highly unlikely this game so I will be holding my vote for now.

I'm all for lynching low posters. I take that stance in pretty much every game I play. I like playing with people who like to play and post, but I think that most people don't post more or less based on affiliation tbh.
MOST is the key word. There are some who lay low and let the civvies lynch each other. It's hard to say if this is the case but I can see why some are making that conclusion since we have only lynched civvies and most of the outspoken are likely civvies.
HOWEVER, I don't want to lynch someone just for being a low poster when there is other stuff to go on. It's Day 5. surely there is more of a reason (vote patterns, lack of suspicions, etc) that would warrant a vote in addition to low posting.

Agnes Sampson wrote:Okay Entjen then who do you think is bad? The only person being discussed that I see right now is Mary, who I will get to in a bit. We need to be talking about more than one person in order to see which way the discussions head toward. As you have said before yourself there is more than one baddie out there.

I have thoughts on other players that I'm trying to get organized, but I'd like to hear your thoughts on other players as well.

I'm still out so hopefully can get a more organized list of suspects going later. I have spent a lot of time defending myself so it has been hard to formulate my opinion. I doubt
I will make it much longer though so I'd like to give the civs a few parting words if I am the one to go.

Märet Jonsdotter wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:Honestly your post is a joke.

eye me all you want. if that had come off as bitchy, sorry, but I feel like Agnes is just finding reasons to suspect me now. Same story new day

I have to go back to the other page still later I missed some posts

Entjen Gillis wrote:

Merga Bien wrote:Also, a linkitis at Entjen:

Alas, I do not think this is a civvie on civvie thing. And we all have real lives.

I did not say everyone does not have a real life.

And it is a civvie on civvie thing unless Agnes has been recruited, as I am a civvie.

also, I'm not saying I seriously think Agnes has been recruited. Just that would be the only way this isn't civvie on civvie

Merga Bien wrote:Also, a linkitis at Entjen:

Alas, I do not think this is a civvie on civvie thing. And we all have real lives.

I did not say everyone does not have a real life.

And it is a civvie on civvie thing unless Agnes has been recruited, as I am a civvie.

answers in whatever color I selected! I'm at dinner so I have more to answer I know but will get to them all

Merga Bien wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:

Agnes Sampson wrote:

Anne Whittle wrote:As far as Agnes goes the way she was written back in is quite different than others. I could see a possible recruit sitch.

Nice try Anne to dismiss me completely as soon as I get back. I have not been recruited I am HARRY POTTER do you really think I would join the Dark Lord? I can't tell you exactly why I'm alive but it's because I have an important role to play. I doubt Ill be alive much longer but I will do some damage to the death eaters while Im here.

I am surprised to see Entjen is still alive. She is squeaking through lynches by the hem of her skirt. Someone is trying to save her that much is certain. I am trying to read the posts of the players who voted me and she still stands out the most to me, Ill try to pull some quotes later I have to keep reading now.

No one but me is trying to save me. Is there a reason you are so narrowminded against me? you did this before you died, and it looks like that hasn't changed. I am still a student though so go for it all you want I have nothing to hide. I'm not going to waste all my time going back and forth with you when we have actual baddies to find.

You think that addressing someones legitimate concerns is a waste of time?

No. I think going back and forth til we are blue in the face about the same stuff is a waste of time. Civvie on civvie fights are distracting in the thread and prevent us from finding baddies.

Entjen Gillis wrote:Honestly your post is a joke. I suspected you Day 1 and was wrong. Your saying you think I have a certain ability, but should have just let myself get lynched to use my ability rather than get someone else lynched? I had a specific problem with Krystyna (her suggestion that Slytherin students were bad).

why would I vote for someone with a better them than me reason? I know I am a civvie I did not know they were. honestly I have had little time to look for mafia because most of my time has been spent defending myself and voting to save myself

You suspected Agnes, and was wrong, you switched a lynch or something to Krystyna and was wrong there, too. Personally, I think Krys might have been right, she might have been wrong, only the Slytherins know for sure.

Yes. I was wrong twice. I have been busy in RL and have been under a lot of scrutiny this game, so am trying my best but I have not been doing great so far, but am trying my I can't change my past votes I can only move forward from here.

I will finish reading tonight, and reread with an emphasis on you and Mary. But your reaction to suspicion is not making me feel differently, quite the opposite.

Mary Eastey wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote:Here we go again. We don't know what the teachers want, so we should go ahead and lynch them. This sort of case could only be made by a death eater, to whom the teachers are their biggest threat. I will not confirm nor deny whether I am a teacher, because I find that to be counter-productive to myself and anyone else that's a civvie. I will say that I believe that we need the teachers alive rather than dead.

spot the teacher

Spot the cornered baddie.

Lynching Indies, especially THIS set of Indies, feels like a desperation act to me. I know that I would feel horrible were I to participate in the lynch of my Housemaster or Mistress. You, not so much eh? Perhaps you don't have one?

Also @Jennet: I mentioned your two votes for Entgen in your favour, you are consistent. That strikes me as rather more of a civvie trait than otherwise.

And I never said I wasn't worried about who would be lynched. I wasn't worried about being lynches myself. Lynch me today I will get lynched and you will regret it. We need to get a baddie.

Honestly your post is a joke. I suspected you Day 1 and was wrong. Your saying you think I have a certain ability, but should have just let myself get lynched to use my ability rather than get someone else lynched? I had a specific problem with Krystyna (her suggestion that Slytherin students were bad).

why would I vote for someone with a better them than me reason? I know I am a civvie I did not know they were. honestly I have had little time to look for mafia because most of my time has been spent defending myself and voting to save myself

Agnes Sampson wrote:

Anne Whittle wrote:As far as Agnes goes the way she was written back in is quite different than others. I could see a possible recruit sitch.

Nice try Anne to dismiss me completely as soon as I get back. I have not been recruited I am HARRY POTTER do you really think I would join the Dark Lord? I can't tell you exactly why I'm alive but it's because I have an important role to play. I doubt Ill be alive much longer but I will do some damage to the death eaters while Im here.

I am surprised to see Entjen is still alive. She is squeaking through lynches by the hem of her skirt. Someone is trying to save her that much is certain. I am trying to read the posts of the players who voted me and she still stands out the most to me, Ill try to pull some quotes later I have to keep reading now.

No one but me is trying to save me. Is there a reason you are so narrowminded against me? you did this before you died, and it looks like that hasn't changed. I am still a student though so go for it all you want I have nothing to hide. I'm not going to waste all my time going back and forth with you when we have actual baddies to find.

honestly Mary brings up a good point about jennet possibly being a teacher, but I'd rather lynch baddies than indies. She also sounds defensive about it though, considering she only has one vote at this point, so maybe there is merit to the case and she is mad she is caught. I don't know but I think this will be telling.

Merga Bien wrote:Ah, I thought the smilie was pondering that she made an early vote.

OK, so the suspicion you had prior to your insanification yesterday seems to have evaporated, but it is early. And you are saying you survived due to a role related thing, when there are tons of secrets. Fair enough. I could see survival as good, bad or Educator. So claiming so neither exonerates nor implicates you directly.

As of this point, you are my primary suspect, although I think Jennets case has merit, and I would support that as well if that is the way the wind blows. Plus I have not totally caught up, so there will be no early vote from me.

I don't think it has evaporated. Just was given a pass for the day for being insanified, and I think for a lot of people maybe they found better suspects?

There isn't really much more I can say as to how I survived. the reason I did is not secret. I was wrong about Krystyna, but if you lynch me I will not survive again and you will lynch another civvie.

Merga Bien wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote:I know it's early in the day, but I went ahead and voted Mary. I believe she should be lynched today. I've already explained my reasons yesterday here, but I'm open for discussion.

This is a good case, and one worth pursuing.

Entjen Gillis wrote:wb Agnes! Jennets early vote

Sometimes if you are sure, you are sure. rather than posting smilies at her, I read her back up and it looks solid to me. Since her early vote gets your attention, what is your opinion of her case? Who is on your list, Entgen? And I still have not seen how it is that Krystyna was lynched and not you. Could you walk me through it? I started at the beginning but it is easy to go off on a tangent in this thread

I also noted that Jennet voted for you a few times.

Also, oh Joy, more vague, cryptic Sarah Good suspicions. You ladies who think that she is the strongest suspect in this thread, maybe you should just vote for her and get it over with.

well I posted the smilie because I, myself am going to ponder if she is confident or SURE. Voting that early in the day generally implies info to me

I think Jennets case is pretty good, better than most thus far, but we still have time so I don't plan on voting just yet.

No, I cannot walk you through it without outing myself.

wb Agnes! Jennets early vote

I voted Giant Wars. also yay I can post normally

Margarethe Reinberg wrote:Wow where is everyone? I'm going to go ahead and vote Margaret. She's a low poster, she hasn't posted since Wednesday, and that stuff about Sarah Good was just weird, especially since we can't info dump.

Malin Matsdotter wrote:No one can understand you, Entjen. Don't talk with your mouth full.

OMNOM forest fairy magic

Malin Matsdotter wrote:

Merga Bien wrote:Hello?? I feel like...a new person.

Don't attack someone with Amnesia, OK? Let me catch up.

Can someone help a witch out and give me a highlights reel?

It's been kind of a hard game to keep track of becaue of all the pseudonyms and a lot of off-topic posting and low participation, but I will do my best.

Day 1: an early rivalry emerged between Agnes and Entjen. Agnes got the most votes, but no one was lynched. Agnes said "I will not be lynched" and she wasn't."
Night 1: Agnes was killed. Later, it was revealed that she was Harry Potter.
Day 2: Bridget was lynched with broad consensus due to the perception that she knew too much about what Voldemort's team was capable of. She flipped civvie.
Night 2: Katherina survived a kill attempt.
Day 3: Krystyna caught a lot of heat for suggesting that Slytherin students marked as civvies were pretty much just baddies waiting to happen. Entjen was still suspected from Day 1, and got quite a few votes as well. Krystyna ended up lynched and flipped civvie, even though Entjen had more votes.
Night 3: Jennet survived a kill attempt.
Day 4: A lot of people have been looking at low posters, suspecting hidden badness there.

If you can read this comment and read the newspaper. I had this problem with Christina and entreposag)

Anna Koldings wrote:

Jane Southworth wrote:
linki: Yeah it's possible Hermione is involved... but unless she checked Agnes night 1 and is somehow just now sharing the info, then it must have been a dead role check, which could be a different power, perhaps an unlisted one. Either way it's weird that we were told, that almost never happens in games, and I'm not sure whether I should trust it or not.

That's what I had assumed as well. Hermione, that is.

I purchase? The use of the song.

Jennet Bierley wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote:I don't have time either unfortunately. I also see that we have yet another quiet start to the day.

But it is insanified. )

Thank you Entjen. Clearly Luna is up to no good again.

I think, I think! Now this is my chance, but I would like to send your bags. (C) on the battlefield. Not a bad idea, as well as roads, entering student of Slytherin. Sukamisuh, I think that this category is not necessary.

Entjen Gillis wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote:I don't have time either unfortunately. I also see that we have yet another quiet start to the day.

But it is insanified. )

HA HA HA: (c). Note:

Jennet Bierley wrote:I don't have time either unfortunately. I also see that we have yet another quiet start to the day.

But it is insanified. )

Jane Southworth wrote:I didn't dismiss anything, Anne Whittle. I agree that it is likely we've lost Harry, but I'm wary of how the information was given to us. Why would the hosts reveal that? And do so on Day 4, when she died on Night 1? Don't you think that is worth looking into, at least a little bit? If you don't want to question it, fine, that's your choice. But I think it's worth looking into and I don't think it's suspicious to want to discern why we are being told now.

I think you might be wrong about Entjen, but either way she is insanified and so I think that discussion should wait until another day. By the way, the insanifier is a civvie role in this game.

I would like to hear from Barbara today as well. I didn't see how big the connection was between her and Jennet until Alizon just brought it up. Barbara has indeed been lurking in Jennet's shadow for most of the game. The only thing Barbara has done differently from Jennet was her vote for Margaret yesterday, a suspicion she never mentioned until she set it up exactly one post before she voted. When Alizon called Barbara out for not responding to Bridget's post, all Barbara said in response was "I stand by my vote".

Materials and would like to be part of engineering.

The information we collect? If you want you can citizen combustion Halvustamisek.

Barbara Kollerin wrote:

Lizzy wrote:

Night 3: Jennet’s Gift

And this just in: Agnes Sampson was Harry Potter.

Interesting, I wonder if this is a result of Hermione casting her spell? The role doesnt say that the results are made public...

Or symbol. I agree with Aimoy. This is pure.

I'm glad that the life in the nit. I know, I know, like Lynch, what is out there, but I can't really say.

shit sorry Krystyna :/

Katharina Henot wrote:what are you thinking entjen?

Well, I legitametly understand some of the suspicion of me. Misguided as it is. But I also think some are hoping on it because its easy.

I'm not too worried though.

Interesting

not sure how I am supposed to combat a comment like she is inconsistant so it makes me think she has btsc in a way other than pointing out that it is more likely that I don't because I am inconsistant.

it is a wifom statement but its all that I have in retaliation to that point

I'm voting for krystyna, it seems like its going to come down to me or her. knowing my role, I know that I am not a baddie and can see how krystyna is twisting things.
I'll probably be gone the rest of the day, not that it matters since people's minds seem to be made up

Krystyna I def do not have btsc, and if I did, don't you think my posts would be a little more consistant
because I would have an idea what is going on from my btsc? I am all on my own here, and I really am just busy.
I can't speak for whether or not anyone saw it as snarky only how I did, but when I see things that way I would rather not get an attitude back which is why I chose to step away from it for the moment. We can argue that you did not take it the same way but everyone takes things differently.
I do think win conditions are important because people don't know what they need to be doing to win. I have played games where you are required to be alive at the end, and I have played games where you win if your team (civ, or bad) wins at the end regardless of if you are alive and or greatly changes how people play.
I'm sorry that you don't agree that there has been more discussions about roles and the like than suspicion. it seems like every time I check the thread there is talk about roles and whether or not a role can be good or bad based on the books and stuff like that. While I find it ok to talk about those things some I feel like some people may be pushing the conversation in that direction to steer the conversation away from talking about the players, so that when lynch time comes its a big clusterfuck of random suspicions coming out of the woodwork and a civvie will be lynched.
I don't think I am shrugging off responsibility for missing the vote. I hate missing votes, which although you don't know who I am, I will tell you it's not something I often do. I said it was my fault, and I don't know who I would've voted for because hindsight is everything and when you see the result its easy to say oh I would have done this or that. Point is, I didn't vote and I missed a lot of that discussion so I can't go back and change that and offer you up with a name just for the sake of naming someone

damn wrong quote.

anyways I feel like this is distracting from talking about who is suspicious.

I thought it was already cleared up that the students were civvies?

A Person wrote:Also, the only group that had btsc initially was the baddie team. Whether anything has changed, who can say?

I'm not sure why there is still this much debate going on?

glad no one died. Fair warning guys I won't have Internet access for about 24 hours. sorry players and hosts! <3

Europa was calling to me so I picked that one

damn everyone I am really sorry for missing the vote. I don't even know who I would have voted for in the end. I don't know why I thought I had more time then I had

responses in red below... Sorry if I messed up quoting or making it red. In a hurry

Jane Southworth wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:First off I have read, i am just out so it's not so thoroughly as I would have liked.

Sorry, I assumed you hadn't read because you said you hadn't read:

Entjen Gillis wrote:I personally haven't had the time to read through everything to find the explanation yet.

Read through everything. I haven't had time to go back through the roles and everything to find the explanation that some seem to be eluding to. I don't have the roles memorized yet so it takes me a bit of back and forth to get a grasp on what is going on.

Entjen Gillis wrote:Where did I say I don't remember anything about it?

You said that right here:

Entjen Gillis wrote:I can't remember atm but there was someone Agnes asked me to look at before she died.

Quoting it still doesn't show me saying I don't remember ANYTHING. I simply don't recall for sure that it was Bridget and not someone else.

Entjen Gillis wrote:Or that I felt so strongly about it?

You said that right here:

Entjen Gillis wrote:if it wasn't Bridget I want to look at whoever it was because something about that is sticking out to me

And I interpreted "sticking out to me" to mean you felt strongly about it. Forgive me if that was an improper conclusion to make.

Entjen Gillis wrote:I want to make sure it was Bridget's name before I condemn her, and since I didn't have time to go back when I posted it.
So to recap: snarky attitude has made me not want to read back.

So now you don't want to read back to find your own suspicions because... because you interpreted my post as snarky? The intention of my post was to better understand where you were coming from and which things were important to you and why they were important to you. But if all you saw was snark, and a chance to try and twist it around into suspicion of me, and an excuse to not go back and sort through your own suspicions... well that's your prerogative I guess. But I was simply trying to understand your thoughts.

Ok here is why it seemed snarky to me. You take a couple of sentences of mine then at the bottom put something like "so to recap" you don't remember anything and the like. I fail to see why anyone needs to "recap" a couple sentences with a couple more. Everyone is fairly capable of reading them themselves.
It does scream of snark to me, and it's not that I don't want to sort through my own suspicions but when I take something as snarky I'd rather not try to sort through the posts at that time.

Entjen Gillis wrote:Not sure why you are being so defensive when I wasn't even talking about you.

Not sure why you see it as me being defensive (defensive of what exactly?) instead of me trying to understand your suspicions.

Defending Bridget is what I was saying. Your post to me and the prior one to someone else seem attacking those who are voicing any suspicion of her. But maybe I am reading that wrong, and I'd have to decide how I feel about her before I connect it in any way to you

Jane Southworth wrote:

Krystyna Ceynowa wrote:I'm voting Bridget. I think we all have a pretty good idea who is behind the puppet, and I think this is just typical them trying something slightly different because they have a puppet to hide behind. I honestly don't think (s)he expected to be called on it with votes, and that was the reason for taking the risk.

I see nothing in this post that explains why you are voting for Bridget. You spend some words discussing thoughts on the player behind the sock account, but that only seems like filler in the place of actual suspicion. If anything, your post reads like a defense of Bridget, but you voted her anyways. Were you just looking for a bandwagon to hop onto?
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Entjen Gillis wrote:Sorry not going to be around much today but I'm trying to keep up when I can. I don't really understand the Bridget thing. She seems like she is voting/playing weird and I see there has been some talk about that. I personally haven't had the time to read through everything to find the explanation yet.

So to recap: you don't understand something that you haven't yet read.

Entjen Gillis wrote:I can't remember atm but there was someone Agnes asked me to look at before she died. I feel like it was Bridget as well, which doesn't do her any favors in my book (if it wasn't Bridget I want to look at whoever it was because something about that is sticking out to me)

So to recap: Something about Agnes' suspicions sticks out at you, but you can't remember anything about it. Why do you feel so strongly about something you don't remember?
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Barbara Kollerin wrote:I may as well cut and paste Jennets post to show my reasons, we are apparently in sync on this. At this point a Bridget lynch is the best option.

Yes, please show your reasons, even if it's just a cut and paste. I seriously have no idea what you and Jennet are thinking in regards to Bridget. Why is a Bridget lynch the best option at this point, even though mere hours ago you said you thought it would be futile? I just want a glimpse into your thought process.

First off I have read, i am just out so it's not so thoroughly as I would have liked.

Where did I say I don't remember anything about it? Or that I felt so strongly about it? I want to make sure it was Bridget's name before I condemn her, and since I didn't have time to go back when I posted it.
So to recap: snarky attitude has made me not want to read back. Not sure why you are being so defensive when I wasn't even talking about you. Is your teammate getting lynched?

Sorry not going to be around much today but I'm trying to keep up when I can. I don't really understand the Bridget thing. She seems like she is voting/playing weird and I see there has been some talk about that. I personally haven't had the time to read through everything to find the explanation yet.

I can't remember atm but there was someone Agnes asked me to look at before she died. I feel like it was Bridget as well, which doesn't do her any favors in my book (if it wasn't Bridget I want to look at whoever it was because something about that is sticking out to me)

Anne Redferne wrote:

A Person wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:Lovely hosts, any chance we can get some win conditions?

Interesting question.

This is infuriatingly vague. :0
Can you at the very least tell us if the teachers have btsc? Like.... are they a team of togetherness or are they just 4 separate roles doing miscellaneous scholarly wizard shit?

Really we do need to be given some win conditions. Because I'm not even sure what the purpose of the game is at this point. What do we do

Also, I'd like to point out the teachers can have a kill as an ability. And we aren't sure what their alignment is. It's all very scary. I think we would want to take out Voldy and company first but may need to lynch teachers too after.

There is a lot of discussion going on, but it's a lot about roles and little about the players. We still got some time this day but I know I need to start figuring out who I think it most suspicious now. This is all very distracting

I just checked the role list and at a glance it looks to be 4 each

Does anyone see win conditions listed?

my understanding based on how the roles are set up on the first page, is the students and teachers are different teams. Regardless of if you want to use the word baddie or not... They likely have a different win condition and could be a threat to the students.

Lol I keep trying to post at the same time as Mary. We are on the same pageMary

The only way you'd know she was good Bridget is if you are a member of the other team

Bridget Bishop wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:

Bridget Bishop wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:a bit surprised by the choice there. Ripiywg Agnes

I'm not surprised at all. She can't be lynched. She's not bad.

The end.

There are secrets. Just because she wasn't lynched doesn't mean she is automatically good. There wasn't a high probability of her being lynched again today, I just wasn't expecting her to be nightkilled since there was so much focus on her.

She got killed so she wasn't good? How is that possible?

There are two mafia teams. So while she was killed by one it is still possible she was a member of the other.