The Syndicate

Spooky Ghost

It's between Peterman and Jerry tomorrow for me and I'm sure I'm on most people's lists too, with Peterman. It's nearly 3am. I'll try to fill up tomorrow with as many contributions as I can before end of night (but im going to dinner and cinema tomorrow night so will be earlier and back before end of night) in case I'm killed but we can still win this. We have it narrowed down. It's going to be 3 vs 1. We can do this.

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shit man. Sorry dad. Please don't kick me out of the house.

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If Frank is town, I'll vote for either Jerry or Peterman. I'll have more time to analyse Jerry's post history during the night if I am not lynched today. I still think it's Frank. Peterman still strikes me as townie. Jerry has a lot of question marks but he has genuine reactions and urgency going for him.

It's hard to call at this moment beyond not feeling it about Frank.

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I'd like to know what the argument for Peterman and not Frank is from Big Stein.

I'd like a bullet point list of why Peterman from anyone. 3 reasons.

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George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:23 pm I don't have time to go into specific posts and whatnot, so here I am trying to generalize.

Reasons to vote for Jerry
1. The night killings have been very random. It makes me feel like it can't be someone who is extremely involved in the game... Or is it a set up? How can someone like Jerry ensure he isn't held suspect when he's one of the most outspoken members of the game and not being killed? By throwing everyone off guard, random unexplainable night kills and keeping other outspoken players alive so he doesn't look like that odd one out. Makes sense to me and entirely plausible if we consider him an experienced player--play as if you're a townie and make random killings and try to analyze them as though you were a townie.
2. Self-confidence. He's very vocal, very loud. God father trait, nothing to worry about, probably hasn't been sending in the kills either and after Whatley died he went and killed Elaine (the tracker) so that no one can bust him at any time and after already fitting into the God role itt, he's almost guaranteed victory since he's cast agreeable suspicion on literally every other player except Big Stein. After my lynch, someone's going to die, probably Leo. Then it'll be lynching Peterman/Frank.
3. The Puddy ordeal. He screamed Puddy for days, and when people actually listened, he started backtracking a little. He made it seem like a Puddy lynch wasn't what he actually wanted, even though he initiated it. He came at me for the very same reason re: my Leo votes, despite actually unvoting him when I felt Leo was genuine after the self-vote fiasco. He's done the same with Peterman unsuccessfully, and after I'm lynched I can assure you he'll be all over Peterman again.

Some reasons that make me question my vote:
1. He's been generally helpful, contributed a great deal. Had no problems effortlessly lynching his team mates, but we've seen that sort of heartlessness before so I won't give him all the benefit of the doubt but just a little.
2. There's more but I want to post this to give people Food for Thought that lynching me today is not in your best interest. I want this to be a townie win gosh darn it!

Reasons to make me question my vote:
His reacting to Leo's self vote. It was a bit of shock and general negative towards it possibly being a scum move. He seemed to question it as much as anyone else. Reaction was very genuine. If an act he deserves an oscar.

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a pity Steinbrenner and Uncle Leo won't be showing up. I think I've burned all my brain cells for Saturday night. The more I look at it, the guiltier Jerry looks. : (

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I will not make casings for Big Stein and Leo as I have no suspicions towards them.

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I don't have time to go into specific posts and whatnot, so here I am trying to generalize.

Reasons to vote for Jerry
1. The night killings have been very random. It makes me feel like it can't be someone who is extremely involved in the game... Or is it a set up? How can someone like Jerry ensure he isn't held suspect when he's one of the most outspoken members of the game and not being killed? By throwing everyone off guard, random unexplainable night kills and keeping other outspoken players alive so he doesn't look like that odd one out. Makes sense to me and entirely plausible if we consider him an experienced player--play as if you're a townie and make random killings and try to analyze them as though you were a townie.
2. Self-confidence. He's very vocal, very loud. God father trait, nothing to worry about, probably hasn't been sending in the kills either and after Whatley died he went and killed Elaine (the tracker) so that no one can bust him at any time and after already fitting into the God role itt, he's almost guaranteed victory since he's cast agreeable suspicion on literally every other player except Big Stein. After my lynch, someone's going to die, probably Leo. Then it'll be lynching Peterman/Frank.
3. The Puddy ordeal. He screamed Puddy for days, and when people actually listened, he started backtracking a little. He made it seem like a Puddy lynch wasn't what he actually wanted, even though he initiated it. He came at me for the very same reason re: my Leo votes, despite actually unvoting him when I felt Leo was genuine after the self-vote fiasco. He's done the same with Peterman unsuccessfully, and after I'm lynched I can assure you he'll be all over Peterman again.

Some reasons that make me question my vote:
1. He's been generally helpful, contributed a great deal. Had no problems effortlessly lynching his team mates, but we've seen that sort of heartlessness before so I won't give him all the benefit of the doubt but just a little.
2. There's more but I want to post this to give people Food for Thought that lynching me today is not in your best interest. I want this to be a townie win gosh darn it!

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 7:10 pm George, would you lynch Peterman instead of Frank?

I would not.

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And last parting words, in case I DONT post about Jerry before I am lynched, Frank then Jerry are my top suspects.

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Some reasons for voting Peterman:
1. The night killings have been very random. It makes me feel like it can't be someone who is extremely involved in the game. The fact that Whatley was not informed of key information itt makes me question whether his circle is also as absent from the thread as him. A scum team with at least 1 active participant would have easily and clearly relayed this info to his scum-mates and ensured either the cop or self-claimed tracker would have been earlier night kills. They were not, so we are left to ponder why that is.

Some reasons that make me question my vote:
1. He was there when Elaine self-proclaimed vigilante on Day 2. So following my line of thought in #1 above, despite her claim being bogus, it was suspicious. If I was scum, and I saw it, I would have most likely targeted her on Night 2, unless I was attempting to frame her but even then I would have targeted her Night 3 instead of Night 4 - especially when she claimed she wasn't out of shots.
2. His voting patterns and line of questioning feel genuine to me. Not so much beef, but not much to hide. He's been incredibly consistent in his role play and for someone who's been nominated for lynching as often as he has, and as the godfather, I feel like he would have been stronger, more defensive and more participant one way or the other. Instead, he's playing like a busy vanilla townie to me.
3. He sees Frank as bad, and I see Frank as bad, so we're in this together.

I don't care if I'm wrong about Peterman and he is the godfather. There is genuinely not enough content or even context through other mafiaers to warrant my total suspicion of him. He's going to be second or third on my list, following my look into Jerry (a brief one since I don't have much time, fuck a Saturday evening).

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whatevs man

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I want answers to questions I've asked. I'm getting lynched in an hour and a half and that's all you got to say?

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Some reasons for voting Frank:
1. The night killings have been very random. It makes me feel like it can't be someone who is extremely involved in the game. The fact that Whatley was not informed of key information itt makes me question whether his circle is also as absent from the thread as him. A scum team with at least 1 active participant would have easily and clearly relayed this info to his scum-mates and ensured either the cop or self-claimed tracker would have been earlier night kills. They were not, so we are left to ponder why that is.
2. I noticed that Frank didn't once comment on being ID'd civ by our cop or use it as a defense at any time until a brief post late Day 4. This further pushes my theory above at how the scum team was slightly disconnected from every day happenings.
3. He placed a vote on me on the basis of me mentioning Estelle as a suspect on Day 1, and how I found it suspicious she was questioning Jerry's state of non-death after night 1 since he was very vocal during that day phase. As such, her dying the next night reflected bad on me according to Frank. Then calls out Jackie for doing exactly the same thing as his reasoning to why he was placing a vote on Jackie and why Jackie was suspicious. Seems like a weak reason just to give a reason for the sake of looking like someone who was voting for someone with a valid reason to do so and not just a bandwagon to avoid suspicion.
4. He was asked about it by Jerry, and Frank claimed that I killed Estelle because I wouldn't be able to give a reason if someone asked me why I suspected her... so to avoid being asked about it, I chose to kill her. That was his reasoning. I can assure you my reasoning for questioning Estelle's motives in casting suspicion over Jerry's aliveness were slightly more convincing than that.

Some reasons that make me question my vote:
That Whatley post to Leo at the eleventh hour. I don't quite know what the purpose was behind it. Was Whatley hoping to get a Frank lynch going on before the tables turned on him? It may seem like a minor and moot point, but it's made me question my suspicion.

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Why does everyone have distinguishable trust in Jerry and what Jerry says? Is he a confirmed PR and I didn't know about it? How many times has he been wrong in his suspicions? I mean, you can trust that someone isn't mafia and you can assume someone is, on your own instincts, but until you see the cards flip, everyone is suspect tbh.

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George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 5:54 pm As opposed to George, whose record Jerry calls "distinctly bad" and I happen to agree.

But why? I want to know why.

[mention]Uncle Leo[/mention]

One thing I'd like to understand is why people call all my votes (because they aren't bandwagons, or popular) possibly scummy? I don't get it. Should I vote for someone I think is scum or should I vote for someone everyone else thinks is scum? If I was scum, would I care more about blending in or being ousted in this way?

Just a question to think about (and anyone can answer or consider it rhetorical, idc). But take a guys total contributions to heart, not one or two things amplifying your suspicions by mafia.

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As opposed to George, whose record Jerry calls "distinctly bad" and I happen to agree.

But why? I want to know why.

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Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:38 pm @Uncle Leo If I vote Frank, what will you do?

I have a really bad feeling about this post. Like, a feeling that makes me question whether my suspicion towards Frank is unwarranted.

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One thing I'd like to understand is why people call all my votes (because they aren't bandwagons, or popular) possibly scummy? I don't get it. Should I vote for someone I think is scum or should I vote for someone everyone else thinks is scum? If I was scum, would I care more about blending in or being ousted in this way?

Just a question to think about (and anyone can answer or consider it rhetorical, idc). But take a guys total contributions to heart, not one or two things amplifying your suspicions by mafia.

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George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:49 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 3:43 pm I haven't given up yet, but if I am lynched, please look into Frank/Peterman or possibly Jerry! Analyze Jerry. Everyone's kinda given him carte blanche and he's not confirmed townie. I am not in a timely position to do an analysis tonight but it's worth looking into.
Do you have time to analyze these people today?

I'll focus on Frank (for myself and others itt) right now in the next hour or so. I don't think I can build a huge case against Peterman, but I'll do what I can after Frank since it wouldn't take as long as I guess.

I do not have the time to even attempt to try and get through Jerry tonight.

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Edit: I voted for Frank! With Peterman. Ignore me. Still to save my ass, and also because I think he's the godfather.

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:24 pmMost importantly, your cases for and against the other players in the suspect pool is what is likely to decide how I read you (and Steinbrenner too perhaps among others). The merit and usefulness of self-defense has is minimal at this point.

I don't have a case against Peterman. After Frank, he's my second likely suspect. It's hard to read him with not so many contributions which are greatly masked in roleplay. The fact he isn't as aware of the innings and outings of the thread as Whatley was (which I previously took for granted as a sign to be townie), could impact the way I see him now. The main reason I voted for him now instead of Frank is to save my ass because I'm vanilla.

I'll try to explain as best I can why I would rather place a vote on Frank as soon as I can!

Finally, I have to admit, Jerry has really made this game difficult for me. There's not been a single day/night stage where he hasn't cast suspicion on me no matter how hard I try to explain myself. I wanna say it's been fun knowing ya, but it hasn't.

Spooky Ghost

I haven't given up yet, but if I am lynched, please look into Frank/Peterman or possibly Jerry! Analyze Jerry. Everyone's kinda given him carte blanche and he's not confirmed townie. I am not in a timely position to do an analysis tonight but it's worth looking into.

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:24 pmHowever, I'll also state that I am more concerned about your reception of the Jackie Chiles analyses than anything else. The arguments you raised are familiar to me, and in the wrong way.

That stung didn't it? I should have given you more credit for your work. Well done! You put in a lot of effort. And I do appreciate the time and effort it takes you to do these for reals.

However I still stand by my assertion that viewing a dead mafia's player's interactions with each player individually and determining I am scum based on those interactions alone isn't fair on me. It's easy for scum to misrepresent innocents, or try to frame us. It's easier for analyzers to then feel someone is bad when they aren't based on a slight tunnel vision, as opposed to looking at the bigger picture and all general contributions. Call me defensive and whiney, but don't call me scum again, Jerry. Whine. Moan. Complain.

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:24 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:12 pm 2. Why was my EOD4 so bad, Jerry? I mean, more so than my usual?

3. I genuinely got upset when Whatley flipped. I was happy we caught a scum of course, but really felt bad about my reads. When I posted that post about how it's not possible to have 2 cops? Elaine made fun of me, but that was me feeling dumbfounded and genuinely bad at how wrong I was about someone. Right after I'd gotten it wrong about Leo too.
These are related so I'll answer together. I can easily forgive you for being wrong about Whatley. I don't think that's a good reason to suspect somebody, at least not at face value -- indeed, civilians are inherently prone to wrongness given their lack of information. That's the point! However, I am concerned that your efforts at the very end of Day 4 were so kind to Whatley that I am forced to question your sincerity. You went to some trouble to supply a civilian read in that case, and it could have swayed the lynch permanently onto Leo (and if Leo is a civilian that sends us to LyLo).

Think of this scenario. I am a scum. I contributed to Leo's lynching (who will flip town, since Whatley is scum and I'm the godfather). I did this by being aggressivly supportive of Whatley who more than 2/3rds of all players have already named as a suspect at one point or the other. So I am scum, and Whatley is my team mate. Where does this leave me, exactly? Why would I defend Whatley so much? Why did I switch to Frank and not Whatley even when his fate was sealed?

If I was scum, and I did try to get a bandwagon on Leo started, and this didn't happen for whatever reason; wouldn't it have been smarter to iso Whatley and hop on that bandwagon?

I was dumbfounded he was scum. Seriously. I had faith in his vanilla-role. He plays confusion well.

But play that scenario in your head, and since you THINK you know ME, tell me, does that sound like something I'd do? Is it a win/win scenario? Will you cite to me mafia games where someone did that and say I give you icky feelings because it's plausible. Anything is possible. But what are the chances, is what I'm asking.

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I'm back for a bit! (breaking this down into 2 posts as I've been on/off)

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:24 pm I sounds like you've conclusively decided that Leo is a civilian. I'd be interested to hear about what leads you to that read.

I've said what stroke me as suspicious.
Initially, I felt good about him. His posts seemed constructive, even things I disagreed with, I felt like we were two townies discussing things. The best example of this is when I heard what he was saying about you, related to it, and tried to offer my 2 cents why I didn't find it plausible it could be an intentional move on your part (post-Newman lynch). During Day 2, I specifically questioned you why you were trusting Uncle Leo, since Leo posted for Puddy alongside 2 of his named suspects, which wouldn't be something I'd do personally. If my 2 suspects voted for someone, I'd vote for someone else. That's what started my bad feelings towards Leo.

Day 3 I held the same opinion on Leo: "I'm someone who goes by gut instincts a lot, and I felt Uncle Leo was wishy washy in his stances, as long as he didn't draw attention to himself or garner too much opposition and preferred following the bunch; insincere; not as vocal or skeptical as people should be on Day 2."

I didn't see anything from Leo to change my opinion, although his absense did make me pause and reconsider my vote. By Day 4, I felt like scum had to be someone who wasn't paying attention (killing Soup Nazi). Along with my past suspicions of Leo, I felt he could fit the bill.

Self-voting isn't something a scum would do to get people to feel guilty. That's emotionally manipulative on an out-of-game level in some ways, so call it what you will, but the gesture has almost solidified Leo to me as much as Elaine or Steinbrenner.

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George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 1:39 pm Moved my vote to George. I do not expect to be here for the EOD proceedings again. George can easily put his vote on Frank to force a tie at this point. @J Peterman @Uncle Leo, please be cautious and considerate of where you place your votes. If the town splits its votes, then the remaining mafia can just force a tie and put this lynch in the hands of a coin or something.
If we are going to split the votes, I'd rather it be on the two players I suspect most. I'd rather not split the votes at all.

You're making a mistake. I will address your posts, and hope you can show up and read them before EOD.

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Sorry guys, I'm on a deadline with a work project report. I promise I'll address as much as I can before end of day.

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George Costanza wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2017 12:59 pm
George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:46 pm I do not like Frank's game-long tunneling of George, but I have to ask myself whether I think it's something that a scum player would do. He's been calling for George's lynch since Day 1, but has not yet provided any really substantial case for why it should happen. That almost seems too bold to be a scum strategy.
His reasons are because I suspected my mother, who seemed unsuspicious to everyone else and flipped and of course Jackie's parting words on how I'm scum.

Again, if we take into account Jackie named three players: me, Elaine and Frank. Since Elaine is confirmed town, and I know I'm town, that leaves Frank. Is it possible Jackie named three townies? Yes... But it seems a little less likely when he had two other team mates to keep both of them in one group. This is just one reason to why I feel Frank is suspect.

This would possibly also be a strong reason why Frank suspects me, in the event he is townie.

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George Steinbrenner wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:46 pm I do not like Frank's game-long tunneling of George, but I have to ask myself whether I think it's something that a scum player would do. He's been calling for George's lynch since Day 1, but has not yet provided any really substantial case for why it should happen. That almost seems too bold to be a scum strategy.

His reasons are because I suspected my mother, who seemed unsuspicious to everyone else and flipped and of course Jackie's parting words on how I'm scum.

Again, if we take into account Jackie named three players: me, Elaine and Frank. Since Elaine is confirmed town, and I know I'm town, that leaves Frank. Is it possible Jackie named three townies? Yes... But it seems a little less likely when he had two other team mates to keep both of them in one group. This is just one reason to why I feel Frank is suspect.

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Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:35 pm
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:24 pm
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:22 pm It looks like nobody else is going on George, so I'll switch to Whatley. I can see the argument for him being bad, even though my gut says he's not. And obviously my gut has been wrong on several different occasions this game.
Is there anyone for whom you cannot see the argument for their being bad? Disregard Elaine, Steinbrenner, and I.
Other than me? I think Peterman is having fun roleplaying and isn't worried enough to be mafia. Anyone else is fair game, particularly Leo for that self-vote nonsense.

Linki: WTH?
Linki: And my gut was wrong! Hooray for listening to people!

The Hooray for listening to people! rubs me the wrong way. It's like he's really trying to blend in and be non-confrontational or cause alarm towards himself.

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I got some catching up to do.

Some notes:
1. I haven't had a good game. I've never been this distracted IRL and played a game before, so to claim it's my worst yet is an understatement. HOWEVER, I haven't given up despite being dead wrong in my initial intuition leaning towards Leo (and gosh damn it is hard when people don't post so much and when they do post their characters are sleazy and creepy and have weird eyebrows), I still feel something off with Frank. Maybe because I hate being wrong and I'm just stubborn or whatever, but I can't shake it off.
2. Why was my EOD4 so bad, Jerry? I mean, more so than my usual?
3. I genuinely got upset when Whatley flipped. I was happy we caught a scum of course, but really felt bad about my reads. When I posted that post about how it's not possible to have 2 cops? Elaine made fun of me, but that was me feeling dumbfounded and genuinely bad at how wrong I was about someone. Right after I'd gotten it wrong about Leo too.
4. I think most of the basis to why I would vote for Peterman at this point is because he's someone who's been as confused and absent as Whatley. On the other hand, Frank isn't that much better but he is still a tad better + he was ID'd civ by our cop so the misfortune of targeting a dead player on night 1 and the godfather on night 2 is only something I'm capable of I think.
5. I have more thoughts. And I have more time. I will share more thoughts as they arise.

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2017 2:15 pm I'll also state re: George that I have had an intuition all game long about who's behind the sock -- and if I'm right it makes me more suspicious. It's risky to bank on that, but it's in my head.

Hey hey heyyy, we're not allowed to speculate post revelation cos if we were allowed, which we're not, I'd be voting for you right now on the basis of knowing what your puppetmaster is capable of.

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Whoa! Well done!

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Elaine Benes wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:33 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:32 pm There can't be 2 cops
You are so bald.

Lmao

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There can't be 2 cops

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......the fudge

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Frank and Peterman if Whatley is innocent.

Leo's meltdown was too dramatic and extreme to be scum I think.

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:21 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:20 pm And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?
He swayed them less than you and Leo have. Frank hasn't done much to move me either. I'm kind of banking on the chance that someone else is the godfather and can clear him. He's a top suspect though.

if Whatley is innocent, who would you lynch tomorrow?

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And did Tim Whatley in no way sway your opinion about him with his contributions today?

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:12 pm I can understand that, @Elaine Benes. One immediate concern I have is that if true, that'd strike me as a net negative move for Jackie Con to make. Even if he succeeds by lynching mafia Peterman instead of himself and then lynching you next, you're then revealed as a tracker and he's dead meat. Is that a likely maneuver for him to pursue?

Are you saying Peterman is in no way mafia now? Or just in that hypothesis?

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I have moved my vote to Frank

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Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:00 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:42 pm It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.
Read on Leo right now, George. Pronto.

I'm uncomfortable by how this turned out. I feel more comfortable with a Frank lynch. I dont think Mafia Leo would resort to self voting.

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It matters because it was a tie. You broke that tie and made it a majority on you.

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Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm
Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:31 pm
Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:29 pm
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:14 pm Moved to Leo.
This is a very VERY bad decision, Jerry.
Why though? Why Jerry in specific?
Because I started from the end and am working back and he was the first I saw to say me.

If the majority changes, I will change my vote.

The majority wasn't on you, it was a tie between you and Whatley. You yourself wanted Whatley gone before Frank, why are you reacting this badly instead of trying to sway things your way?

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Uncle Leo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:52 pm I am now working under the theory that the remaining two are Whatley/Frank. If Frank has been potentially ID'd as civ, doesn't it make more sense to vote Whatley tonight? (Jerry, I see your vote is currently on Whatley) If Whatley is the Godfather, we know Frank is clear and can spend energy elsewhere. If Whatley is vanillia mafia, we can afford to mis-lynch Frank in pursuit of the Godfather. We run the same risk of getting civ on Whatley as we do Frank. We should at least vote someone who has not been ID'd civ already.

Placing a vote for Whatley now and will be unable to play again until 630pm central. I will be here for end of day discussions and potential vote swap.

I have to admit this is the only Uncle Leo post I feel good about though. It's a good post. Convince me you're THIS person.

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Why NOT you, Leo?

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Tim Whatley wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:23 pm
Frank Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:35 pm Alright, I'm back, SERENITY NOW'ed, and ready to vote for George now that Jerry has also seen the light. Will look at Whately just to be fair.

He looks to me like a civilian being thrown into the game and wanting to engage with the main posters, make sure they didn't escape suspicion. That both of those main posters have turned out to look eminently civ is just the way the game unfolded.
Joining in Day 2 I was very much fixated on Elaine and Jerry. So much so that I've decided to take a step back and review other leads and questions I have.
The thing that looks worst to me is this.
Regarding my Peterman vote without much reason, truth is there was none other than me wanting to gauge reactions. I figured if Peterman was bad, I should pressure vote and see who scrambles. This didn't happen
That's after previously defending the vote with this:
Interesting. What should I say over his 7 posts that hasn't been said already?
That strikes me as a lack of transparency, which isn't a great look at this point in the game, when we're all really scrambling to solve and avoid LYLO. My gut says it's good for him to come clean rather than fabricate a reason, but I realize that's open to interpretation.

In summary, I still think George is a stronger suspect based on what he's said about Estelle and Jackie.
Regarding this, would you say that this makes sense following my reveal of this being a pressure vote or not? How was my vote supposed to be transparent, when I had no real reason for it other than for observation? I want to know why you are valuing transparency here as it seems to be irrelevant to me.

I want to know what I exclusively said about Estelle and Jackie?

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Peterman not posting much and staying in role makes it really hard for me to gleam into his actual thoughts. I still don't think Mafia wouldn't know there's a cop in the game. So my money is on a Frank/Leo pairing now.

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George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:09 pm
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:06 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:05 pm
Jerry Seinfeld wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 7:01 pm
George Costanza wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2017 6:57 pm The fact Peterman isn't even aware of the civ read on Frank is as interesting as Whatley not knowing that Steinbrenner is the "cop"
It might be interesting. Tell me why you think it's interesting.
Well, mafia team communicates to each other, this sort of information would have been made clear between them I feel, even if they aren't up to speed in the thread THERE IS A 2-SHOT COP - HE ID'D ESTELLE AND FRANK. It brings them both further down my suspect pile.
I considered it a potentially incriminating given that neither power role was killed -- potentially the result of mafia members being behind on the thread and literally not knowing what's going on (Peterman and Leo come to mind, which I dubbed a viable pairing).
I didnt consider that angle. Good point. Let me think it over some.

It's exceptionally hard to catch scum in a roleplaying game, it's even harder when scum have very low post counts and not much of substance to go through.

What specifically in Peterman don't you like? What's that glaring thing that makes you pause on him?

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