The Syndicate

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I'd also like to hear some more from dierdre.

And anchorete mentioned the possibility of a recruit. Grutfud, what do think of that possibility?

I don't think I put much faith in that theory. If there ever was one, I don't think that person is still amongst us.

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Izzet, pulling one quote where I said that was my list probably in that order does not equal me directing conversation away from Lyel. I repeatedly said in thread that I would be most comfortable lynching either Lyel or Fane. In fact I waited to see which everyone else preferred to lynch yesterday so I would not split the vote up. This post from you felt a bit like twisting facts and omitting some important points.

As far as the night poll, I went with knight because no one else has voted it yet. It looked lonely.

bea wrote: Fane Winebattle
8
Grutfud Orangesprite (5), Shand Azureye (6), Dierdre Wonderbird (7), Anchorete Playfulure (8), Eurolyvn Blissfulone (9), Izett Cruelsinger (10), Miyuki Lovelymoth (11), Lyel Lambboat (12)
67%


Shand Azureye
1
Fane Winebattle (4)
8%

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:Can you tell me why you are so sure I am bad, Deirdre? I think you have that backwards.

Also, I have been fixating on the SKs (they killed someone dear to me), but yeah, I find it likely that Fane is a Wicked, so I will vote for him, and we can save the Izett debate for tomorrow.

Voting Fane

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Izzett, Diedre, Orangesprite have all remained neutral in my mind. By that I just mean, I have not felt particularly one way or another about them. I do think Diedre looking out for us as far as the day Queran had a posting curse was good, but someone on another team may have done the same thing, so I can't really say it makes me feel confident they are civ.

Shand. I honestly have felt civ from him all game, but now that we are in end game it is worrying me that I don't have a solid reason for feeling that way aside that he has been helpful. Even baddies can be helpful.

I think that covers everyone.

Right now I would be most willing to place a vote on Fane, Lyel or Anchorete. Probably in that order. But I really do want to hear back about some of this stuff and I also want to hear some thoughs on the people who have made no impression on me either way.

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote: The wicked team did attempt a kill on night 8. You only have my word for it, but for the sake of people figuring things out, (like roles and such), they did attempt a kill. Luckily for me, I like contests.

The Wicked Ones also attempted a kill on Night 10. Luckily, it did not go through. They're still very much out there and active. (Or at least 1 of them.)

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote: Right now I would be most willing to place a vote on Fane, Lyel or Anchorete. Probably in that order. But I really do want to hear back about some of this stuff and I also want to hear some thoughs on the people who have made no impression on me either way.

Euro, I agree on those 3 names. I'm not sure if I agree with the order though. I actually might be more keen to go for Anchorete first. But I'm saying this pre-reread on any of them. I have a little work to finish up, and then I'll try to get some rereads in. We're definitely gonna need to talk this one out and do it together though, there's no denying that.

Linki.

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I'm reading dierdre as civ. also miyuki. I'm stuck on my I pad right now but my opinion is that fane should go first. Ill elaborate more soon.

Whoa. Massive linki

Shand Azureye wrote:Happy birthday Roxy!

It feels great being able to talk again. RIP Carmen and Laine. It took a lot of skill to wreak havoc for as long as you guys did, well played! Yay for no night kill. Of the few games that I have played before, I can't think of many where the town staged such a dramatic comeback against all odds! Three game-days ago I thought we were all but lost, but now I have hope. Worst case scenario, we still have five baddies (3 witches, 2 SKs), best case, we've only two (one from each team, since neither team has been eliminated). My thoughts are that the reality is probably somewhere in between the two extremes.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:Shand has me a bit more curious as he started off strong, and has faded from view which piques my curiosity about him.

Far from fading from view, I assure you, mighty Sorceress, I was as into the game as I have been right from the start. Once it was clear who our lynch targets were, I didn't think it wise to allow Rumpel to steal our votes. The night of Queran's lynch discussion was the last I posted heavily in the thread. Why do you think this suspicious?

Fane Winebattle wrote:I've asked twice, but still no one has been willing to give an opinion of Shand which makes me suspect him

My good Fane, I was suspicious of you (version 1.0) during the first few days (mainly because v1.0 wasn't saying much in the thread at all, but was not missing a single lynch vote (thereby not losing nightly powers). However, since you (v2.0) have taken over, I hadn't gotten baddie vibes from you until the last couple of days. You've brought up my name a bunch of times now, and I assure you you are reading me wrong. You speak of my voting record being "scattershot." I've always voted based on the information available at the time, using my best judgment, and have explained my thought process for every vote. Is there any specific vote of mine that pings you? I do find your (and Anchorete's) persistence interesting.

My top suspect today is Anchorete, mainly because of the back-and-forth with Miyuki when it was clearly in the best interest of the town to not talk. We already had a lynch target, and looking back at the discussion in cold blood, I still see no reason for urgency. Nothing that couldn't have waited for the night. What I also found interesting was Carmen's silence the day she got lynched. I expected Rumpel to come out, try and get us talking. Difficult, almost impossible, as it might have been to make the town talk, it would at least have been better than sitting around as the votes piled on. The fact that she made almost no attempt -- and instead it was Anchorete who was trying to get a discussion going -- makes me want to believe Carmen's claim that someone stole her power.

Considering the above, I personally think Anchorete is a bigger threat to the town, but I'm up for voting Fane if everyone thinks he is the better option.

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:

Shand Azureye wrote:
My top suspect today is Anchorete, mainly because of the back-and-forth with Miyuki when it was clearly in the best interest of the town to not talk. We already had a lynch target, and looking back at the discussion in cold blood, I still see no reason for urgency. [trimmed]

Considering the above, I personally think Anchorete is a bigger threat to the town, but I'm up for voting Fane if everyone thinks he is the better option.

I'm also supportive of an Anchorete lynch, I strongly believe he is bad as well. I believe this lynch should be Fane and Anchorete as top vote-getter and second-most vote getter. Whichever order is fine with me.

Miyuki, do you have a preference over who gets lynched today?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Sorry! I missed the linki. I'll go with either one. Fane is fine if that's what everyone thinks.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Maybe a lyel lynch would be for the best. Everyone seems to agree that his being rezzed was a baddie move.

I have no opinion at all about shand or euro,yet.

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Ok, finished a few more rereads. Fane gives me the willies. I'll say that. It would not shock me if s/he were on one of the remaining baddie teams.

Orangesprite I could really go either way on. There is nothing glaringly obviously baddie there that I saw, and there was definitely some helpful posts. For now, I'm ok there.

Izett, I have been sticking up for your civvieness for some time now. I would urge you not to blindly trust Orangesprite as everyone else seems to be doing. I don't know what she thinks she knows, but info can be bad and people can be good liars.

Anyway, I am not going to be around this afternoon, so I will go ahead and vote. I'm voting Shand. I am convinced that he is bad, and if others will vote with me, I'm confident they will see my suspicions confirmed.

Well I think this is not a good idea. I'm not certain that Shand is good, but I'm far more confident that Fane is bad. And I believe that today is a good day to lynch him.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Fane. Its the right thing to do.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I can't put my finger on the why, but I feel more leery of shand than I do about fane. But like I said, I can't really pinpoint why.

Cause hes a serial killer :nod:

He started strong, and faded back, until his name came up. His opinions have been blendy & wishy.

Like I said, I think he is Izetts partner. If Fane flips Wicked, then Shand/Izett are SKs. If Fane flips SK, then they are Wicked (although I think they are an SK team, tbh). If Fane flips civ, we have some serious reconsidering to do.

Linki; the text looks very bold to me, I use the light scheme, though

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Well, I'm going to go ahead and vote fane, because its likely they are both bad. No matter how you slice, someone sure saved Lyel today. I guess I'll have to look back and see who started the 'save lyel project'.

votes fane

Nothing looks bold on my phone

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:I think you are an SK, Izett, and Fane is a Wicked. I also think that Shand is a Free Thinker with you. I think it likely that if you have not recruited, or if your recruit died, that Euro is most likely of the three of you to be civ, based on her replies the past few days. Shands sudden leap into overdrive after lurking in the shadows fopr days confirms this for me. I was sure of you, but waffled between Shand & Euro.

Now I think Shand more than Euro.

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote: Anchorete, you act as though I did not answer your question of suspicions. I honestly don't know what I think of Izzet and to be honest your certainty about her guilt as a possible SK is disconcerting. It makes me feel less certain about you as bad and more wary of her. I must agree that I did not understand why she put you above the other two in my list. I won't say this removes you from list completely, but I have never said I preferred lynching you over either Fane or Lyel anyway. I would prefer to vote for one of those two and see what I can sort out regarding you and Izzet.

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Ok, finished a few more rereads. Fane gives me the willies. I'll say that. It would not shock me if s/he were on one of the remaining baddie teams.

Orangesprite I could really go either way on. There is nothing glaringly obviously baddie there that I saw, and there was definitely some helpful posts. For now, I'm ok there.

Izett, I have been sticking up for your civvieness for some time now. I would urge you not to blindly trust Orangesprite as everyone else seems to be doing. I don't know what she thinks she knows, but info can be bad and people can be good liars.

Anyway, I am not going to be around this afternoon, so I will go ahead and vote. I'm voting Shand. I am convinced that he is bad, and if others will vote with me, I'm confident they will see my suspicions confirmed.

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Dierdre, what's your take on anchorete and Izett?

I'm confident that Anchorete is bad.

If Grut says Fane is bad, then I'm confident that Fane is bad as well. My only question to Grutfud is... are you sure?

Izett I have no read on at the moment, but I'm overdue for a readback.

If I can be blunt, I believe that between Fane and Anchorete, one of them is on the baddie team and the other is on the indy SK team. If anyone has any inkling as to which of them is more likely to be one of the free thinkers, I'd say we should lynch them first. i feel like they have done more killing, but correct me if I'm wrong, there.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote: Did I miss your opinions on Shand and Euro?

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:Nice Deirdre, rather backwards of you, don't you think?

So no one has an opinion on Izett, Euro or Shand?

And not sure why I am a bigger threat than Izett, but OK. You guys do what you have to do, then when i am gone, please remember Izett, OK?

Linki; um, the SKs tried to kill me last night, if that makes any difference. Hence my interest in them

Anchorete Playfulure wrote: And Izett has been swaying with the winds of fortune, never having a strong opinion; she posts with the majority. Perhaps I had an epiphany in the fog of the night.

I want to hear her opinions on you and Shand. I would like to know if you agree with her about Deirdre?

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:I am not defending you, lol, I am accusing you of being a serial killer. I said that during the night so you would not kill me

And what exactly have you seen about Deirdre that is suspect?

What is your opinion on Shand and Euro?

Linki: I meant Piblic Enemy Number One with you, Izett. You have not mentioned me at all the whole game, or at least since I replaced in. Now what has changed?

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:Can you say in the thread why me? Or is it "something you can't talk about in the thread"? I am not sure how this was unclear.

And I mentioned the recruit theory earlier, that the SKs had a recruit. Its a theory. I could be wrong.

I find it interesting that suddenly I am public Enemy Number One, right after I post a post saying I suspect Lyel, Euro, Shand and Fane. I know Lyel & Fane are popular suspects, Euro has come up a few times, but Shand has not gotten a lot of attention. Or, like I said, that right after mentioning the possibility of a recruit on a team with secrets, in a game where info is a prize, for that matter.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:I can't really say anymore than Deirdre could. So I won't. Kudos to whoever did steal your power last night, lol, since apparently somebody did. But it wasn't me.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote: If any of Orange, Izett or Deirdre are bad, they are really good at it as I can see no reason to think they are.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote: The wicked team did attempt a kill on night 8. You only have my word for it, but for the sake of people figuring things out, (like roles and such), they did attempt a kill. Luckily for me, I like contests.

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote: Right now I would be most willing to place a vote on Fane, Lyel or Anchorete. Probably in that order. But I really do want to hear back about some of this stuff and I also want to hear some thoughs on the people who have made no impression on me either way.

Roxy wrote: Lyel Lambboat - NKed Night 8 by The Free Thinkers

Bac Wunderelin - NK'ed Night 5 by The Free Thinkers

Ameerah Frolicstag - NK'ed (Night 6) by The Free Thinkers

Etain Royalskull - NK'ed Night 5 by The Wicked Ones

*Rhinfrew Flowingrass NK'ed (Night 6) by The Wicked Ones

Roxy wrote:So ---- who is ready to go to a 24/24 pattern?

Please lemme know in thread if you would like to take the game to 24/24.

I would end the day today but alas we have one person who has not voted.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:I am planning on talking today, and will not let anyone bully me out of it I intended to rush and do it before the poll ended, but the poll ended before I got home, so I will take my time.

I was trying to keep up with the thread today on my phone, and was not real thrilled about what I saw. It felt kinda like bullying; "Why did you do this when we said we weren't going to do it? How could you possibly know this, I don't see it listed in the roles? Why could you say 'Don't lynch this person, when we all know she's bad'" and so forth. Trying to push people to divulge if they have info, and HOW they know something is not civvie behavior in my eyes.

I think Miyuki is bad, possibly one of the SKs, maybe the witch, but not civvie.

First off, Dierdre may or may not have known the word, she may or may not have been the only one to know it. There are secrets; I very, very, very sincerely doubt that Dierdre is a baddie, and I have my own reasons for saying that, and I have no plans to discuss them.

Second, Orangesprite may have had her own reasons for thinking Carmen may have been correctly roleclaiming. As the person who shoved that roleclaim in everyones faces when they did not see it initially, Miyuki, when someone who may have had reason to believe it did so you have some chutzpah blaming them for it.

I am going to vote for Carmen, because I think she is bad. But I am going to keep talking this day becasue Miyuki has been running this thread, and I think she is bad too, and she needs to be next. She spent today flinging tons o'mud hoping some of it would stick. I think she named everyone but me, Izett & Shand (or maybe I missed where she mentioned me or Shand).

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:

Fane Winebattle wrote:Does anyone have a read on Izett? She has struck me as being very blendy all game. If we really think we need a second choice, I wouldn't be opposed to her.

You should be opposed to voting me as a second choice. We've already lynched enough civs.

I'm all for having a 2nd choice lined up, but not if it means grasping at straws - that doesn't seem like a wise thing to do. If we don't have something solid, I don't want to go on just tiny pings - that would make it too much like a day 1 vote... and those don't always go well. If you know what I mean.

I actually agree with you. I originally said thta I didn't think we need a second choice, since Carmen has likely run out of tricks and I am not sure about anyone else, but Miyuki has been insistent, so I thought I would explore a few people. I didn't realize you were a replacement either. I don't want to lynch you, I want to lynch Carmen.

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Fane, you were compelled to be nice to everyone on day and night 7? And Eurolyvn was compelled to make some odd posts on day 8- the same day that queran 'supposedly' was insanified. Its funny that I don't remember anyone else being post-compelled prior to Fane.

Unless Finnian was compelled to be unhelpful, I havent seen anything else. Has anyone noticed anything? Or could it be that someone who got replaced has the ability to put posting requirements on players? This is weird.

Euro- Rhinfrew is already dead.

Fane, you didn't seem very convinced about Queran until the last minute before voting time, but that was all I noticed about you during the read through.

Off to read Lyel-

After doing a Fane re-read, I think he had to give compliments to everyone that day. Well, that's how it looks to me, he may have received a potion or something. I know some potions have been going around.

I don't recall anyone else being compelled to post a certain way, but I will say this - when I replaced in, my role had been given a potion with a posting requirement. The original Izett wasn't here during that time, so they never fulfilled the posting requirement. Once I got here it was over. (EBWOP - So I didn't have to fulfill the posting requirement.)

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote: Fane, you didn't seem very convinced about Queran until the last minute before voting time, but that was all I noticed about you during the read through.

This is more or less true, although I wouldn't say the very last minute. After Gobnait was revealed to be the truth checker I was pretty sold on him. I think Queran did an amazing job of selling his innocence and I went back and forth on him a bunch of times. If I recall, I did voice some suspicions of him early on, but he was so passionate that I remained unsure for a long time.

Re Lyel: I was pretty suspicious of his first incarnation, but his replacement hasn't pinged me at all. It could just be a more competent liar, or my initial suspicions could have been off the mark.

Well it would be pretty foolish to go on NOT believing it after the Truth Checker accused him, don't you think? I imagine that sold a good many people.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Fane, you were compelled to be nice to everyone on day and night 7? And Eurolyvn was compelled to make some odd posts on day 8- the same day that queran 'supposedly' was insanified. Its funny that I don't remember anyone else being post-compelled prior to Fane.

Unless Finnian was compelled to be unhelpful, I havent seen anything else. Has anyone noticed anything? Or could it be that someone who got replaced has the ability to put posting requirements on players? This is weird.

Euro- Rhinfrew is already dead.

Fane, you didn't seem very convinced about Queran until the last minute before voting time, but that was all I noticed about you during the read through.

Off to read Lyel-

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote: Fane, you didn't seem very convinced about Queran until the last minute before voting time, but that was all I noticed about you during the read through.

Fane Winebattle wrote:Does anyone have a read on Izett? She has struck me as being very blendy all game. If we really think we need a second choice, I wouldn't be opposed to her.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

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