The Syndicate

Lunatella

I don't know what you mean when you say "feeling particularly supatown". Does that mean that you don't feel the need to explain why you drop things for a week and then pick them back up like nothing happened?

Hard to make up your mind, I can understand that. But you didn't say anything on the matter, it was complete silence.

I don't think you were wrong in thinking Golden 2 was bad. I think you planted a seed you could return to if you needed to explain a Golden 2 vote. From your phase 4-8 posts I don't get the feeling that you particularly cared to talk about Golden 2.

Lunatella

Just promise me this. Whether you're going to form a case against me or I'm killed at night, just look at my posts. They're the sole communication method in a game that's 99% about communication, and I despise being lynched by the entire town and not have a few reasons, regardless of whether they're good or not.

Lunatella

No, please, don't everyone speak up at once.

Lunatella

Something of interest, Llama 2, that I noticed. On Day 4 you decided that Golden 2 was bad based on Black Rock 2's behavior. You then say nothing about it until Day 8, when literally everyone lynched Golden 2. This leads me to believe that, despite what you said, you actually didn't want to lynch Golden 2. Why not?

Lunatella

I defended Syn 2 over LC2?

Lunatella

I appreciate the honesty. You were another player I forgot about, Rico 2, so apologies from me. I figured boo 2 was probably civil, but I wanted to see who voted for ams against Cookie 2. I'll double check the exact tally when I get home, though I know SVS 2 was the first to break the 5-5 tie by voting for boo 2.

Lunatella

I'm assuming recruitment wasn't allowed more than once per phase. We know how many players are alive right now, and we know how long Elo 2 was alive for

Lunatella

I appreciate the distrust. That's not sarcastic, either. It means you're concerned with winning, and that's more than you can say for about half of us right now.

I think it strange that we haven't found any recruits yet, apparently. Elo 2 died on what, the fourth or fifth phase? Purely by statistics we should've found something by now.

Lunatella

Oh yeah, Cookie 2. I actually forgot that person existed, no offense. However, regarding your direct statement, I can definitely agree with a Cookie 2 lynch. Most of the current suspects are mysteriously absent as of late, and Cookie 2 is no exception.

And, for the record, do you mean "annoying" bothersome or "can't put my finger on it" bothersome? I flip between the two and I'm curious which side I've landed on for you.

Lunatella

Re: Why I want everyone to talk about how/why/if I'm anti-Town.
Because nobody is. Either someone brings up an inconsistency in my actions that looks bad and discussion is had that will most likely be productive, or nobody says anything. In that case, if anybody comes out of the blue the next few days with some supposedly "long-standing" suspicions of me since before this time I'll know they're full of it.

The next order of business is to resume scumhunting. I believe I've done a good job townhunting with Lacey 2, MM2, and Cobalt 2. I've been feeling better about Dom 2, also, since the Golden 2 business I stirred up. It felt like he was keeping an open mind rather than just hiding behind the wagon. I'd like to look into Llama 2 and Sig 2 in particular tomorrow. I'll personally look into Llama's posts tonight, and report my findings tomorrow afternoon. If he's hiding something, I'll find it.

Lunatella

Discussion is stagnating so here's something to talk about. Who thinks I'm Mafia, or at the least anti-Town?

Lunatella

Speak thy name and he shall appear, it seems.

Once you're caught up I want your opinions on Golden 2, Epignosis 2, and me. Clean, dirty, etc, what you wanna talk about is up to you.

Lunatella

There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it.

Lacey 2, what do you think of Sig 2? He hasn't been around very often, do you think he's intentionally avoiding contribution so as to be forgotten?

Lunatella

Golden 2 wrote:I'm "either the seemer or real TGG"? I thought you were certain of your judgement upon me, Dr. Pepper.

I am, yes, but I don't want to force my judgment on someone. As much as I believe you're a seemer it's not productive to go around insisting that everyone agree with me. It's also irrelevant for the question I was asking, since you'll flip the same either way.

Lunatella

These are some strange times we live in, aren't they?

Lacey 2 I like your forethought.

MM2, in a world where Golden 2 gets lynched today (and flips civ tracker TGG because he's either a seemer or real TGG) what would you want to do tomorrow?

Also voting for Golden 2. This hanging will not sadden me.

Lunatella

"Civ tracker" my ass. "Andale!" he says, and poof! Night phase!

Lunatella

Are you suggesting the possibility of two mafia groups that get kills on alternating nights?

Lunatella

Info dump rules are strange.

Lunatella

"Real TGG" should be "I"

You're going to eat those words.

Lunatella

Reading skills be damned (re: previous post) you are an imposter.

Also interesting third parties thus far.

Lunatella

Is this not boo's home site?

Lunatella

Golden 2 wrote:
Bass 2 wrote:Your case is that a Mafia Seemer walked the line of getting mod killed JUST to set you up for a lynch?
After Days of playing it safe and subtle? Sure, why not switch gears. Besides, it's also very easy to dupe you all by being so brazen and thus look like the real deal. But his fail is forgetting this isn't home turf, this is another forum. Check back my Mordechai game in Biblical (although that sock is now probably changed into one of the socks here, lol), if it pleases you, and see if you can trace any sign of me going overboard this much during it. I can play hard ball, but I'm still aware on which site I am and am aware of minimum etiquette.

"His" fail is forgetting this isn't home turf. How do you know who "he" is, if boo 2 was a seemer? If I recall correctly there are many female players on this site, so how do you know it's a "he" to begin with?

Lunatella

You're skipping steps of TGG's thought process by going straight to "weary" mode. You're definitely familiar with him, and did a good job impersonating him, but it's over. You're not TGG.

Lunatella

Your case is that a Mafia Seemer walked the line of getting mod killed JUST to set you up for a lynch?

Lunatella

Lacey 2 the post you quoted is also a great example of my previous point about completely different tones.
And you're correct, the real TGG is a night owl.

Lunatella

My awareness is awe-inspiring, isn't it?

My point stands, however.

Lunatella

Boo 2, the real TGG, is my friend. And I trust my ability to diferntiate between friends and enemies.

Lunatella

Golden 2 wrote:
Bass 2 wrote:Golden 2, my questions are as follows:
3) In what context was the joke about "That Goofy Clown" made?

3) I commended you for it, as part of your sockplay, after you died. I made another comment, afterwards, towards you as "Bass", but it was off-topic and under my real account - so isolated from the game. The rest is in the fogs for me, after all this time. I'm sorry, but I tried to prove myself throughout the whole game, since this conflict started and I don't have anymore strength for that. You decide for yourself which one of us is the orchestrator. I responded to "boo" throwing darts at me as soon as he started.

You're the imposter.

For one, your entire tone is wrong here. TGG wouldn't be so politely complacent with people suspecting his identity. Second, you have no idea where "ThatGoofyClown" came from. It wasn't more than two months ago, and it was infuriating for TGG, so while he might not remember exactly who said it he most definitely remembers the event.

Golden 2 is a seemer and not the real TGG. Consider boo 2's response to backlash from his statement. Unless it was an elaborate setup to walk the line of being mod killed and act as TGG in anger, there is no benefit to intentionally drawing the ire of the mods and players. So we can assume only two possible scenarios. Real TGG said something, got reprimanded, and got mad. Fake seemer-TGG planned to say something offensive, hope he wouldn't be mod killed, and emulate TGG's anger.

Syn 2, you can back me up on the specific TGG brand of frustration. Remember when Jan joined JTM and that pleasant experience? Tell me that didn't sound exactly like boo 2.

I move that we lynch Golden 2 tomorrow. A seeker would still flip whatever they chose even after being rezzed, correct?

Lunatella

Probably something I should've asked about earlier, what are the most common traits of a seemed? I'm not familiar with that role in my community. All I picked up was something about dying as another player or role. Hiders, Jesters, sure, but not seemers.

Lunatella

That's not a good idea, Mafia.

I'm trying to hold out judgment until he gets back to me with those answers.

Lunatella

Golden 2, my questions are as follows:
1) You hold the position that Black Rock 2 was a non-civ Seemer, correct?
2) You hold the position that boo 2 was a non-civ Seemer, correct?
3) In what context was the joke about "That Goofy Clown" made?

Also for the record, I attempt to be a very friendly individual. Friendly in the sense that if you don't actively want me to have a bad time I consider you a friend. My best friends so far are Cobalt 2, Lacey 2, and Metalmarsh 2. I'm going to go back through and look at Dom 2's posts to see if he's my friend or not.

Lunatella

There's one.

And not necessarily, I'm trying not to stay tunneled on Reywas 2.

Lunatella

That's precisely why I'm abstaining. I know who I want to vote for and why, but I'm interested in seeing who breaks the tie and where the other vote goes after that. I'm sorry if it appears that I'm toying with your life, for what it's worth.

Lunatella

Also puppy.

Lunatella

This is interesting. Something else interesting, I'm going to vote for myself so as to not break the tie between boo 2 and Cookie 2. Depending on their alignments, this phase could either be a colossal waste of time and an opportunity bountiful for intentional misdirection, or could give us a good lead to go after someone.

Lunatella

I see where you're coming from with Scotty 2's very lackluster contribution, but consider something else. Within 20 minutes of Roxy posting that he had made his post. So he had been caught up, or caught up, roughly 20 minutes after the post but rather than saying anything of value whatsoever, comes in with the puppies. This is unnerving.

And I feel so left out, nobody's called me names or sent me illicit messages that may or may not contain genitals.
(Also, general thread question: Can we refer to rule-breaking BTSC PMs as STDs? For example, "Player A gave an STD to Player 2! That's against the rules!" it would be quite amusing)

Lunatella

Sufficient answer.

Epi 2, I believe Reywas 2's argument is that you were back and forth without any in-between. Not wanting to vote someone one night to immediately suggesting them the next day without anything is believe is strange, wouldn't you agree?

Lunatella

Would anyone dispute my knack for making friends? Golden 2, you're probably the only person who has an inkling of who I actually am, what say you?

Lunatella

I suspect that the recruiter role either was mafia aligned with restrictions, or third party without

Lunatella

For what it's worth, Cobalt 2, the mods said that boo 2 will not be modkilled or replaced, so Cookie 2 is not wrong when he says that.

Also, for what it's worth, while boo 2 said some harsh things, I feel that he, with time and a large amount of Christmas spirit, can become a friendly addition to town.

Lunatella

Well that was interesting.

Mafia have made a habit, it seems, out of dropping kills. That or some presumably non-Mafia role has been blocking them. This is good news for us, I suppose, even if it's not that much information.

Reywas 2 can we just vote for each other and move on with our lives? We're both getting annoyed with each other, nobody else is caring about our dispute, and we're not progressing a discussion in any meaningful way. If prompted by someone I'll provide a small recap, and then you can provide your small recap, but this is giving me a headache. I don't imagine you're having fun with our exchanges either, so is this unacceptable?

Lunatella

Bass 2 wrote:Of course you wouldn't tell someone you want them to go away, that'd more likely than not annoy them and make them stick around even longer. I wasn't claiming you had said those direct words. Please don't play dumb, it's a waste of time.

I asked JUST him because I was only interested in HIS answer. If I had cared what Synonym 2, for instance, thought about it I would've asked Synonym 2. But I don't care what Synonym 2 thinks of that exchange. He wasn't involved in it, and I don't think I'll get any significant information from asking that. To turn your own logic back on you, why aren't you asking everyone why I asked MM2 that question?

To be perfectly honest that wouldn't have been a bad plan, but your reaction made you look bad, not anything I said to Metalmarsh 2.

Reywas 2 wrote:So you admit that I didn't say that. That you construed it that way, in a way to make me look bad, most likely intentionally. I hope you see the irony in that.

I know you were only interested in Metalmarsh 2's answer, you're proving my point. If you felt like your point was valid you would have opened it up to the whole thread. MM2 strikes me as an opinionated player capable of sharing his own opinions. He doesn't need your prompting. You did it to get buddy-buddy with him.

You are getting obnoxious Reywas 2. I did not claim that you said the words "I want Metalmarsh 2 to get upset and leave." I claimed that the words you did say were said with that underlying intent. You were the only one to mention that claim of exact words. If you are of the belief that the only information we should work off of is the exact words that people post, with no context or interpretation whatsoever, then we'll have to agree to disagree.

Let me reiterate something. I did not care what anyone besides Metalmarsh 2 had to say regarding the question I asked Metalmarsh 2. If you think that any question worth asking must be asked to everyone in the thread then we're going to have to agree to disagree again.

Because you're so caught up on thread-wide questions, though, I'll pose one.
Does anyone else think that Reywas 2 sounds frazzled or perhaps frantic?

Lacey 2 that rule of "3 missed actions = modkill and 3 (at least non-consecutive) missed votes does not modkill" has been in effect since at least Day 3. I had missed a vote and then was worried about getting modkilled due to the original Bass 2 not voting Day 1, but I was corrected.

Thank you for moving forward past the difficulties that have been presented Roxy & splints. I really appreciate the effort put into the game and a lot of the thought you put into it is showing!

Lunatella

Something a particularly sagely player I know likes to do is point out how hard it is to lynch certain players. Naturally, mafia are harder to lynch than civilians, because mafia have a tea, running interference for them.

Reywas 2 you're being ridiculous. You are correct on the "buddying up" statement, however. I like making friends. Like Lacey 2, we're friends now and the game has been much more pleasant!

Lunatella

Reywas 2 wrote:Here's my problem Bass 2. You asked MM2 if he thought I was misconstruing him on purpose. Why did you ask JUST him? Why didn't you ask the thread at large, or offer your own opinion before asking for MM2's?

My answer to that question is you did it because you were preying upon his ego and hoping to get on his good side by engaging with him and turning him against me. Maybe there's a different, civ-friendly answer to that question but that's not how I'm viewing it atm.

Of course you wouldn't tell someone you want them to go away, that'd more likely than not annoy them and make them stick around even longer. I wasn't claiming you had said those direct words. Please don't play dumb, it's a waste of time.

I asked JUST him because I was only interested in HIS answer. If I had cared what Synonym 2, for instance, thought about it I would've asked Synonym 2. But I don't care what Synonym 2 thinks of that exchange. He wasn't involved in it, and I don't think I'll get any significant information from asking that. To turn your own logic back on you, why aren't you asking everyone why I asked MM2 that question?

To be perfectly honest that wouldn't have been a bad plan, but your reaction made you look bad, not anything I said to Metalmarsh 2.

And regarding the "Ninja killed Golden 2" theory, the possibility of a Night 1 kill on Gamer Guy 2 (Medic) plus a self-protect is minimal, but there. However, the possibility of any night kills being protected after that is extremely small, in my opinion, due to the likely lack of pure protection roles (Medic, not "replace kill" like Bodyguard) after Gamer Guy 2's death. Also I think you're reading too much into Golden 2's HIMYM "legen-dary" posts. The world that you create by saying Golden 2 is mafia is a strange one. BR2 waits for days before contesting Golden 2's flip whatsoever, the majority of Night 2 is used to set up for this supposed seemer flip, it just seems a tad excessive.

Lunatella

Epignosis 2 wrote:@Bass could you explain your vote to me as well?

Reywas 2 misunderstood Metalmarsh 2 in a strange way earlier in the thread. When I asked MM2 about whether or not he thought Reywas 2 intentionally misconstrued what he had said, Reywas 2 claimed that I was only acting interested in MM2's thoughts and aggressively asked me to put forth what I thought, not ask MM2. I think it's fair to say this is strange. The fervor with which Reywas 2 spoke to me said that I had hit a nerve. That, combined with the statement that seemed to be intentionally misconstruing Metalmarsh 2's position, tells me that Reywas 2 doesn't want Metalmarsh 2 to contribute, even going so far as to say that Metalmarsh 2 is "playing into my hand" when I had made I believe 2 posts asking for MM2's opinion on things. I can't see a logical reason why we should keep a person attempting to shut someone out of the game around, there's no situation I can imagine in which a civ-aligned player would want to aggressively dissuade someone from posting.

I'd be complacent with a Dom 2 lynch because their activity level has dropped dramatically since the Cookie 2 ISO post. Haven't posted in just over 48 hours. I'm not looking to trim unnecessary fat, so to speak, but it's strange for someone to drop off the face of the earth like that. Dom 2 was actually the first to post after the Gamer Guy 2 rezz, only a minute afterwards, so for that person to initiate radio silence for 2 days is disconcerting.

No, that's the genuine Gamer Guy on Golden 2. He wouldn't have noticed That Goofy Clown otherwise.

Lunatella

I'd be game for a Dom 2 lynch as well, though I'd prefer Rywas 2 after his most recent string of posts. Cobalt 2 can you give your reasons? Roughly ten hours left is not the time to be sitting on stuff like that.

Lunatella

Are you as game as I am for a Reywas 2 lynch MM2? Also, game aside, I'm sorry you're getting upset, I'll try to more actively engage with you.

Reywas 2, you're right that I was manipulative. I wanted to get Metalmarsh 2 back into the thread because it seemed he was being intentionally ignored. Manipulation is an underrated civilian tool, loaded questions can get you some surprisingly useful answers from people you don't even ask.

I couldn't help but notice that Cobalt 2 was the only one to vote so far, 20 hours before phase end. That's much different than the previous days, and I assume it's because people are afraid of throwing the first stone in the wrong place, so to speak, where as until today there were very obvious wagons that people could flock to. I'll take that burden off your hands for you, aren't I such a nice guy?

Lunatella

Reywas 2 wrote:
Bass 2 wrote:Metalmarsh 2, do you think Reywas 2 was intentionally redirecting your question to avoid discussing the possibility of multiple baddie teams and/or independent roles, or do you think he misinterpreted your statement?
What do YOU think, and why are you asking Metalmarsh 2 about it? Trying to act interested in his thoughts?

I think you read what Metalmarsh 2 had said and decided to misconstrue hiis words in order to discourage him from talking about it further. At that point MM2 had, multiple times, stopped contributing when others were ignoring him. This is, of course, giving you the benefit of the doubt that you can both read and understand English, and you haven't given me any indication otherwise, so I'm inclined to believe you understood what he was saying.

I'm asking Metalmarsh 2 about it so that he will give his thoughts about it? Maybe you have telepathy, but I don't, so I ask people what they think. Also, how would you know if I'm "acting" interested in his thoughts or legitimately are interested in his thoughts? Are you assuming that I don't care? If so, why?

Lunatella

Metalmarsh 2 analysis:

Spoiler: show

He begins the game on Day 0 by listing people he won't be voting for. His criteria was seemingly that he didn't want to vote for people who hadn't appeared yet. However, the below quote convinces him to not vote Cookie 2, but instead vote either Long Con 2 or Synonym 2.

Long Con 2 wrote:You are correct, cookie. I was trying to begin discussion, not stifle it. The act that Synonym talked about the skin of his sock account doesn't bother me as much as him saying that there are five baddies among us. How would he know that unless he was one of them.

The next player he won't vote for is Dom, for this reason.

Long Con 2 wrote:I believe it is a common mafia strategy to call out names in the beginning of the game to gauge reactions

Dom 2 wrote:I don't believe it is a common strategy at all

He then clarifies that he won't vote for the real Dom because he believes the real Dom was involved in the lynch stop. Next he disputes boo 2's illogical assertion that because there are 25 players someone MUST be playing as their own sock.

He then appears to have been "Timmer cursed", turning this post into borderline nonsense:

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:timmer, this is ridiculous tbqh.
timmer hasn't given a single reason to suspect timmer other than that timmer has been acting like timmer in order to try and last longer in a gme that timmer has, lately, been NK'd in a lot for very little reason.

The next day he asks people why they suspect Long Con 2, and in a response to why people don't suspect him, he says that there is virtually no reason to suspect him, and all suspicion thrown his way has been unsubstantiated.

He is asked by Golden 2 about what his contributions for the day are. Votes, suspicions, plans, anything. Metalmarsh 2 states that he's been ignored, saying that he's asked questions and participated, but people have been rude. Later that day, when Synonym 2 was excited about Long Con 2 flipping scum, Metalmarsh 2 is one of the first to bring up the possibility of two baddie teams. Literally 14 hours later nobody had responded to that statement and he quotes himself asking if anybody wanted to contribute to his post. After this, SVS 2 responds by saying that it's the same question as "How does Synonym know if there are five baddies" and Metalmarsh 2 disputes the equality of the two statements. This goes on, and ends with Metalmarsh 2 lamenting his fate of being ignored and then treated suspiciously.

Metalmarsh 2 asks Epignosis 2 how in response to his statement about being curious towards MM2's posts.

Reywas 2 asks people why they're voting Synonym 2, and Metalmarsh 2 responds saying Syn 2's immediate declaration of innocence after Long Con 2 flipped scum is premature at best, as we don't know if there are multiple baddie teams, independent roles, recruiter roles, etc. Reywas 2 misconstrues this and begins preaching that Synonym 2 is most likely not on Long Con 2's team, which is something Metalmarsh 2 has stated repeatedly.

Metalmarsh 2 appears to be genuinely frustrated at everyone ignoring him. For this reason I don't believe he's on a scum team, or at least a scum team with teammates, as literally a fourth of the game ignored him. While it is common for baddies to not interact with each other very much in thread, he has been asking questions that have been flat-out ignored, and his consistently ignored status appears uncoordinated. While I don't know if he's necessarily civilian, I'm pretty confident that he's not scum.

Metalmarsh 2, do you think Reywas 2 was intentionally redirecting your question to avoid discussing the possibility of multiple baddie teams and/or independent roles, or do you think he misinterpreted your statement?

I find it unlikely that if Black Rock 2 believed that there was only one civilian Tracker, and if she was that singular civilian Tracker, she would wait days before contesting Golden 2 in any way aside from planting a seed. After seeing the flip and knowing that juliets was behind the sock, do those actions add up more than they seem to without that knowledge? I'm unfamiliar with the player and I'm trying not to discount playstyle differences.

Lunatella

I think it's unlikely that we have perfect doubles of every role. Two Ninja civs would've resulted in much more bloodshed.

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