The Syndicate

@Hostesses: any missing PMs last night?

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Cookie 2, same question.

If you're still there MM2, I think you're missing what I had in mind. It's supposed to just be a quick thing, you look at the name, and decide the alignment you think they are. You don't worry about an explanation then and there, or even stop and think about it.

I thought I knew who you were, and that you saw MP do the same thing in Angry Birds, but maybe not.

Anyways, try doing it that way with the other 7, once you're done with Cookie 2. Write them down for yourself, and then come back and think about the why. Once you know who you think Is good and who is bad, you have yourself in a position to evaluate, which should give you some clue about how you want to vote.

Then, even those he's dead, you'll be in a position to answer Bass 2's question.

Cobalt 2 wrote:I need some time to get my dome back in the game but did anybody notice this?

Elo - day end/lynch switch - Elo's days are very busy between her delicious cake making business and homeschooling three beautiful children. Because of this, she needs all the help she can get during the daytime! She may choose between ending the day early or switching the lynch.

DIdn't Golden 2 end the day early and not Scum Con?

And it looked like Golden 2 doesnt even show up on the front page. The other two ""trackers" show up in the town group but Golden 2 does NOT.

I think we have confirmation that Scumolden was scum for reals.

Golden 2's team did, I don't think it makes sense to assume he did it personally though, unless it was the result of a prize and not a role ability.

None of the roles listed are the 2 version, it's the actually player behind the sock. Golden 2 and boo 2 both share the real GG, because that's who Golden 2 appeared as.

Cookie 2, same question.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Oh, yes, lacey I see your point. It's definitely not a slam dunk and I didn't realise sig had discounted the possibility of a nk. Bass may have just been nked.

Having looked back at that post which I found after seeing bass was a hider, I could also see how someone might read that, think Bass is a cop and either a) protect llama or b) frame llama.

Exactly. I think Bass 2 was definitely NKed, for a bunch of reasons. To start, with all that night talking, he was basically asking for it. Which was intentional, I think. This isn't the first night he essentially tried to taunt the killer into targeting him.

FS also said the updating the first page took a bit because she needed time to make it fit.

But... Bass 2 had already made it apparent in thread he would be targeting llama 2, so I think that PM went in early. If that was what killed him, FS could have had that sorted out well in advance. That wasn't the case, so I think the NK PM came in close to the end of the night, not giving her much prep time.

Llama 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Bass 2 wrote:These are some strange times we live in, aren't they?

Lacey 2 I like your forethought.

MM2, in a world where Golden 2 gets lynched today (and flips civ tracker TGG because he's either a seemer or real TGG) what would you want to do tomorrow?

Also voting for Golden 2. This hanging will not sadden me.

You never answered this question MM2.

I didn't. you're right.

TBH.. No clue. Still no clue what I want to do. I'm at a loss

Are you still here and able to respond for a few minutes if I ask you some rapid fire, answer using instinct questions?

ok

Cobalt 2, civilian or bad?

This tactic...reminds me of someone...Someone very wooly and sock-ish...

That's the idea. Less useful here since it is late-game, but since MM2 says they have no clue, I figure it might help build some perspective, at the very least.

fingersplints wrote:Being fine is the second. Nothing happens/risky alignment check.

If Bass 2 targetted a recruit he would be killed. The only 'baddie' type role that a hider can successfully hide behind is a seemer... if we even HAVE one of those this game.

Nothing. Happens.

There is no protection from targeting a civilian.

Sig 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Ya, I can't get past this.

Sig 2 also knew how the seemer works, and I still just can't believe that's information the hostesses would share in a PM with someone who doesn't have the role. I think he knew how it worked because he was Golden 2's teammate.

Still watching you Cookie 2, but that post from Sig 2, on top of the reasonable doubt that 'Someone' is causing, while not having me convinced about you; since I think the baddies could have pulled what we've seen off to create that doubt, and there are some timing issues; makes me think we should be careful with you, since I think we're in a situation where the numbers really matter.

I am voting Sig 2.

Da fuq?

Whether the hostesses decided to tweak the role a bit is irrelevant to the fact that Bass DIRECTLY CALLED OUT HIS TARGET. LL, read his damn post, h pointed a finger directly at llama 2, hello? If I'm wrong about him being protected so be it, that's how the hider has typically worked where I've played.

Big picture, LL. Big picture. A dead guy just handed us a baddie, and you vote... for me.

Right, and calling the target isn't relevant, because what you're saying is at play here, is, in fact, not.

Add on to that that Bass 2 called out you as someone he did not trust, and your attempt as misinformation, and you come out looking far worse than llama 2 does.

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Bass 2 wrote:These are some strange times we live in, aren't they?

Lacey 2 I like your forethought.

MM2, in a world where Golden 2 gets lynched today (and flips civ tracker TGG because he's either a seemer or real TGG) what would you want to do tomorrow?

Also voting for Golden 2. This hanging will not sadden me.

You never answered this question MM2.

I didn't. you're right.

TBH.. No clue. Still no clue what I want to do. I'm at a loss

Are you still here and able to respond for a few minutes if I ask you some rapid fire, answer using instinct questions?

ok

Cobalt 2, civilian or bad?

Ricochet 2 wrote:Lacey, I don't understand what it is about that sig post that you don't understand.

What is it that FS clarified?

I completely agree with sig's post. I think it seems very likely that llama is proven bad. What am I missing that you think says otherwise?

FS said that Bass 2 would not be protected. It directly contradicts what Sig 2 said about how the role works. And while I can believe it is what he is used to, I do not believe he missed the post, so he would have known what he was saying is wrong.

I think it's an attempt at misinformation, to come across as an authority and get as many people to follow as quickly as possible, without them stopping and thinking.

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Bass 2 wrote:These are some strange times we live in, aren't they?

Lacey 2 I like your forethought.

MM2, in a world where Golden 2 gets lynched today (and flips civ tracker TGG because he's either a seemer or real TGG) what would you want to do tomorrow?

Also voting for Golden 2. This hanging will not sadden me.

You never answered this question MM2.

I didn't. you're right.

TBH.. No clue. Still no clue what I want to do. I'm at a loss

Are you still here and able to respond for a few minutes if I ask you some rapid fire, answer using instinct questions?

Ya, I can't get past this.

Sig 2 also knew how the seemer works, and I still just can't believe that's information the hostesses would share in a PM with someone who doesn't have the role. I think he knew how it worked because he was Golden 2's teammate.

Still watching you Cookie 2, but that post from Sig 2, on top of the reasonable doubt that 'Someone' is causing, while not having me convinced about you; since I think the baddies could have pulled what we've seen off to create that doubt, and there are some timing issues; makes me think we should be careful with you, since I think we're in a situation where the numbers really matter.

I am voting Sig 2.

Sig 2 wrote:LL2, I'm not, not even remotely.

HOWEVER, Bass has given us a gift.

A hider is a role I've had lots of times on other sites, and the instant you hide behind a baddie you die. And while you are hiding, you are safe from NK unless the person you are hiding behind is also killed, which clearly isn't what happened since it seems only Bass 2 died.

So, this right here?

"The next order of business is to resume scumhunting. I believe I've done a good job townhunting with Lacey 2, MM2, and Cobalt 2. I've been feeling better about Dom 2, also, since the Golden 2 business I stirred up. It felt like he was keeping an open mind rather than just hiding behind the wagon. I'd like to look into Llama 2 and Sig 2 in particular tomorrow. I'll personally look into Llama's posts tonight, and report my findings tomorrow afternoon. If he's hiding something, I'll find it."

tells me you LL2, MM2, Cobalt 2 and Dom 2 are civvies. And considering the last line, that he was looking into llama tonight, and specifically mentioning hiding, means one thing. llama 2 is bad. It's a slam dunk. Like, Bass 2 just dropped the mic from the grave.

votes llama. There's no way I'm changing my mind.

FS already said that wasn't the case, and even if you aren't caught up on other things, it seems reasonable to expect that you've seen enough posts on this page to have seen that one.

So... what?

Bass 2 wrote:These are some strange times we live in, aren't they?

Lacey 2 I like your forethought.

MM2, in a world where Golden 2 gets lynched today (and flips civ tracker TGG because he's either a seemer or real TGG) what would you want to do tomorrow?

Also voting for Golden 2. This hanging will not sadden me.

You never answered this question MM2.

Bass 2 wrote:Speak thy name and he shall appear, it seems.

Once you're caught up I want your opinions on Golden 2, Epignosis 2, and me. Clean, dirty, etc, what you wanna talk about is up to you.

Re-reading Bass 2, since that's what he asked for.

Since he's no longer around to hound you, I figured I'd pick that one up.

Caught up yet Sig 2?

One more. If Bass 2 targeted a civilian who had been recruited by Elohcin 2, would he have been fine or killed?

fingersplints wrote:Sorry, it took longer because I was reworking Cookie's description to be applicable to WrDilgy too. I just wanted to point them out because I think they are fun and wasn't sure if anyone noticed them yet.

That would count as a missed PM. The only roles that are acceptable to not be used like that are ones that aren't every night. A rezz for example.

linki Bass 2 was not DrWilgy. He is WrDilgy and also comes from jtm.

Ok, thanks.

To clarify, does the 'being fine' if they targeted a civilian mean that they cannot be killed that night, or just that nothing happens, and that it's basically a risky alignment check?

fingersplints wrote:@lipsticklacey 2 & for anyone who hasn't noticed it yet - the abilities post is updated after each reveal. Some roles, like this one for example, are explained in the description. Modkills and secrets will be revealed end game.

I know, it just wasn't updated until a few minutes ago.

And I have a question about it.

Is that a role where you would accept,"I don't want to use this tonight", as a usage of the power?

And then I do a member search, and WrDilgy is an actual account here.

RIP Bass 2. Assuming that's just a typo on his name, that would explain why GG2 was modkilled after being ressed.

What's a hider?

Bass 2 wrote:I appreciate the distrust. That's not sarcastic, either. It means you're concerned with winning, and that's more than you can say for about half of us right now.

I think it strange that we haven't found any recruits yet, apparently. Elo 2 died on what, the fourth or fifth phase? Purely by statistics we should've found something by now.

We can't apply stats to it, we don't have knowns to base anything on to fill in unknowns.

We don't know how often she actually recruited.
We don't know how many people, if limited, she could recruit.
We don't know if modkilled people were recruited, although this one seems unlikely, because why would she have recruited them when she knew they weren't active?
We don't know how the recruiting works. If she starts as an independent, and recruits a baddie, does the recruit fail, does the baddie join her, or does she join the baddies? Can she recruit any civilian, or are some unavailable? If she is not an independent, but an alternate style second baddie team, what happens now that she's dead. If she was killing even nights, then we know that kill is still in the game, so it must have passed down. Would her ability to recruit pass down though, or die with her? If she is an independent, what was the starting win condition?

Bass 2 wrote:Oh yeah, Cookie 2. I actually forgot that person existed, no offense. However, regarding your direct statement, I can definitely agree with a Cookie 2 lynch. Most of the current suspects are mysteriously absent as of late, and Cookie 2 is no exception.

And, for the record, do you mean "annoying" bothersome or "can't put my finger on it" bothersome? I flip between the two and I'm curious which side I've landed on for you.

Well, neither, but closer to the second. I just can out my finger on it. You're one of my top choices for a potential living Elohcin 2 recruit, and I remain hopeful that the other person I am most worried about having been recruited wasn't, so if there were a lynch where we're looking for recruits, I'd have to vote for you as things stand.

That being said, I'm not sure if we're looking at two typical baddie teams, and that we would therefore presumably have some from each confirmed dead, or a typical baddie team with Elohcin 2 building a second.

I think I'm in the minority in the view that it's probably two normal teams, and then Elohcin 2 and recruits being independent, since having one normal team and one recruited baddie team seems like really strange balancing to me. Which is why when it comes to people I am actually voting for, I'm looking at people I think are actually flat out baddies. But I want to be thinking on it from both angles, in case I am wrong, and that's where worrying about you comes in.

Bass 2 wrote:Re: Why I want everyone to talk about how/why/if I'm anti-Town.
Because nobody is. Either someone brings up an inconsistency in my actions that looks bad and discussion is had that will most likely be productive, or nobody says anything. In that case, if anybody comes out of the blue the next few days with some supposedly "long-standing" suspicions of me since before this time I'll know they're full of it.

The next order of business is to resume scumhunting. I believe I've done a good job townhunting with Lacey 2, MM2, and Cobalt 2. I've been feeling better about Dom 2, also, since the Golden 2 business I stirred up. It felt like he was keeping an open mind rather than just hiding behind the wagon. I'd like to look into Llama 2 and Sig 2 in particular tomorrow. I'll personally look into Llama's posts tonight, and report my findings tomorrow afternoon. If he's hiding something, I'll find it.

I have something I find bothersome about you, and this post is another example.

You're ignoring Cookie 2.

After i posted about it, you said you liked my forethought, but didn't comment on it.

In that post, you just brought up almost every living player as people you either feel ok about or want to look at, but again left Cookie 2 out.

I'd like a direct statement, either you think they're bad and could see yourself voting for them tomorrow, or that you don't, and an explanation on why you chose not to actually mention it when you directed the forethought post to me earlier.

Bass 2 wrote:There's a joke in there somewhere, but I'm too lazy to find it.

Lacey 2, what do you think of Sig 2? He hasn't been around very often, do you think he's intentionally avoiding contribution so as to be forgotten?

It's possible.

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:I dont' want to play with people who are flat out rude. Bye.

Uhh... okay?

I think I'm missing something, because you said something obvious and then I replied to you sarcastically. Not really sure what else you expected, unless you thought I'd ignore it, which you'd still get upset about.

Metalmarsh 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:Oh right; you know, you can give me all the trouble you want for voting boo 2, but given how things have shaken out, I am 100% satisfied with my vote and the part I played in getting him lynched.

I truly found him unpleasant, and I had zero desire to continue playing with him in this game or ever again.

The result of his lynch also tipped the scales, helping push us firmly in the direction of lynching Golden 2. We may have gotten there without lynching him, but I think the we probably would have lost the game if that lynch had gone to Cookie 2 instead, regardless of her alignment.

Also, to your questioning my alignment, and subsequent reading and eyeing me, I say:

Eye me all you want,

you're not who you're trying to be

Thank you Captain Obvious. LR isn't playing, I was just borrowing a line, she and real-Lacey are friends.

Roxy wrote:

Llama 2 wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Llama 2 wrote:A question for the hosts:
Will you be giving us notification on any missing PM's during the night?

sure there was a lot.

Hope that helps

Yes! Thank you!

If a mafia member (let's say godfather) isn't around to direct the mafia kill that night, can another mafia member speak and kill on his/her behalf?

Yes - We like group PM's and idc who sends it in - anyone on that team is able to submit them.

Gamer Guy 2 wrote:Hosts would a lynch pardoned player receive notification of their pardoning? Also can actions be submitted as conditions?

Yes they would receive the notification.
It would depend on the circumstances. Like if the lynch ends when they are sleeping (time zone crap ya know) we would prob allow it.

FTR - The first Triva has been shelved - no one won. After splints' contest we will resume my Impossible Trivia but do it slightly differently.

I had the wrong Hostess for who specified it, but there's the post for anyone else who wanted to re-read it.

And:
@Roxy/FS: If a baddie who doesn't have the kill in their role sends the kill in on behalf of their teammate who does, would the sender or the player whose role actually has the kill need to be RBed for the kill to fail?

Epignosis 2 wrote:Okay Lipsticklacey 2 thanks for answering, depending on the night actions I would be fine with voting for cookie 2 assuming nothing major happens. Looking at last nights actions (6) then also at 2 and 4 it goes Golden (potential mafia) Timmer (civvie ninja/Vigilante) and SVS (mafia) following this pattern tonight's NK is either the third party or second mafia team who is mainly hunting mafia.

Looking at the mafia on nights 1,3,5,7 we have this breakdown Night 1 no kill, Night 3 JaggedJimmyJay 2 (civilian) night 5 (no kill again?) If this is the case our third party/mafia 2 is much more active then our mafia team. They missed two of their kills and failed to enter another before day came. This leads me to think maybe Turnip Head 2 was responsible for the kills? He was inactive and replaced Night 3, Night 3 was the only night the mafia had a kill. They were then modkilled day 6. The ability to kill is then passed down to another player they take advantage of this and end the day early to be able to use this power.

Know this is just a little theory and doesn't matter to much, but it does explain the lack of mafia kills with the timing of the replaced Turnip Head.

linki: I will keep eyeing you but am satisfied with your answers for the time.

We know the odd kill was in the hands of SVS 2/JJJ, who was active. Any other teammate is allowed to send it though, from what FS has previously said in response to a question about it.

I think that means, whichever teammate was sending it in, was probably regularly RBed. So I think our RBer is still alive, and either insanely lucky, or on top of things. I'd lean towards lucky, since I'd imagine after one failed kill, they would have a different team member send in the kill to throw off the RBer, assuming that it's based on who sends it in, and not whose power it actually is, which I cannot recall being specified.

Oh right; you know, you can give me all the trouble you want for voting boo 2, but given how things have shaken out, I am 100% satisfied with my vote and the part I played in getting him lynched.

I truly found him unpleasant, and I had zero desire to continue playing with him in this game or ever again.

The result of his lynch also tipped the scales, helping push us firmly in the direction of lynching Golden 2. We may have gotten there without lynching him, but I think the we probably would have lost the game if that lynch had gone to Cookie 2 instead, regardless of her alignment.

Also, to your questioning my alignment, and subsequent reading and eyeing me, I say:

Eye me all you want,

Epignosis 2 wrote:@Lipsticklacey 2 are you saying Boo was a mafia or that they weren't? I'm quite confused with your post. The people who voted for Cookie are seen as suspicious to you, but you don't think boo was mafia since your voting for Golden? Why would anyone need to distance themselves from Cookie she was hardly on the scum radar and even if she was none of the players were that close to her? If that was there plan it would have made more sense to just vote boo who might I say you lead the lynch on which was quite easy for baddies to jump on.

It seems like your know trying to set up another lynch for tomorrow. Which would either be Cookie or Myself. I'm watching you and I also remember that Synonyms a confirmed civ thought you were mafia after you bandwagoned on him for quite awhile. I will also point out I have witnessed Synonyms 2 who is easy to rile up and get lynched as his playstyle is so dirty. Which is what you seemed to be doing this game. Maybe you are a mafia member? I will need to reread your posts and see what I see

boo 2? I think it's essentially confirmed he was a civilian tracker.

She was on the radar for being a baddie, that's why she took votes. Both Rico 2 and I, at least, voted for her the day before the boo 2 lynch.

You're right, the baddies could have jumped on it. We also know for a fact that at least 2 did not, with a presumed third. This means baddies that we know of avoided voting for him, and I think there is a reason for that. I'm trying to work out exactly what it is.

I went after Synonym 2 hard and early on for a bunch of reasons. The main game related reason is the same one I am basing my baddie of Cookie 2 on. I also didn't enjoy playing with them, and wanted one of us out, preferably them since I wanted to continue playing. That's the same reason I voted for boo 2.

I am assuming you are another person who I haven't played with before, because if we had, I think you'd know who I am at this point, and I'd expect you'd recognize my abrasive game as my civilian game. I am surprised I've gotten this far without being lynched, to be honest, but I have a feeling I know who to thank for that one. I hadn't played with cobalt before, and going after Syonym 2 was entirely genuine. This paragraph should have been last, so keep that in mind when my response order to your stuff makes less sense than it should. If I missed anything I'll address it in a different post.

I brought you, and cobalt 2 up, since you were both cookie 2 voters, only because that's where the confirmed baddies voted. I don't want to lynch either of you tomorrow though, I think Cookie 2 is the best starting option.

And yes, I am trying to figure out tomorrow's lynch. We have the time to, and since we do not know who will be killed during N8, I think getting as many opinions as we can now would be beneficial.

Ricochet 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:In the boo 2 lynch, SVS 2, Scotty 2, and Golden 2 all voted cookie 2.

So, if after Golden 2 is lynched we don't find out we have eliminated a baddie team, I think our next options are Cookie 2, who they all voted for to distance from, or Epignosis 2, who voted along with them.
Cobalt 2 also voted Cookie 2, but in comparison to Epi 2, for a baddie on that team, it seems unlikely.

Personally, I think Cookie 2 is the obvious choice to lynch first between them; but since this lynch is already locked down, unless there is still more manipulation to come; I figure it can't hurt to think ahead and get the discussion started.

Thoughts?

I've been thinking cookie is covering for golden for ages...

But every single baddie votes cookie for distance? I doubt it. If anything it makes me feel much better about cookie.

That's my concern here though. Most of us haven't felt good about cookie 2 for quite a while.

They made that play, with the lynch being a tie.

If Cookie 2 were lynched, that makes the rest of the team seem much more civilian. If boo 2 dies, it doesn't have a hugely negative impact for them; keep in mind there's no chance they could have been expecting these kills that have decimated them.

They needed to make a big play once shit hit the fan on them, and now we have seen that. They pulled out all the stops.

It would seem to me, with ending phases early, there has to be at least one more team member after Golden 2. Especially since they even bothered making the play, when it would result in us obviously lynching Golden 2.

Cookie 2 has looked bad for a long time. They defended LC2, which admittedly many of us, myself included, are guilty of. But there's also the post you and I both found problematic, where Cookie 2 seemingly forgot the civilian win con.

A defence that boils down to being WIFOM doesn't seem strong enough to warrant not trying the most obvious choice first, in my opinion.

In the boo 2 lynch, SVS 2, Scotty 2, and Golden 2 all voted cookie 2.

So, if after Golden 2 is lynched we don't find out we have eliminated a baddie team, I think our next options are Cookie 2, who they all voted for to distance from, or Epignosis 2, who voted along with them.
Cobalt 2 also voted Cookie 2, but in comparison to Epi 2, for a baddie on that team, it seems unlikely.

Personally, I think Cookie 2 is the obvious choice to lynch first between them; but since this lynch is already locked down, unless there is still more manipulation to come; I figure it can't hurt to think ahead and get the discussion started.

Thoughts?

Alright, I am caught up but still a little confused, but I have also voted Golden 2, since that seems very straightforward now.

Golden 2 wrote:

Cookie 2 wrote:I usually know who killed me when i get killed. Not for a fact, but i have a good idea. One of the best things about coming back from the dead is that you bring your hindsight back with you.

I don't know how many times I had a facepalm moment after I had been NKed or otherwise done to death, "Of course, that's who killed me".

I was looking for that kind of insight. It was not nefearious or intended to entrap you, Scouts Honor

That's fine, I never implied your question was tricksworthy, I just operate differently (and believe most of the others do, too). If I'll have a good hunch about who might have killed me, I'd probably slip it in my case-making. In other words, my hindsight would turn into a subtle form of pursuing my killers, rather than speaking openly about who whacked me and why. Plus, I can't say I have the same spidey senses as you do, in general, or at least in this case there's really not much to draw from. Again, I believe I was likely put early on mute without any important breadcrumbs to leave behind, rather than being put later on mute for being on to something (except if I was already on to something regarding players such as "MM" or "Llama" ).

As someone who doesn't know GG, I have difficulty thinking it would be a good idea to be swayed by people who claim to, since we won't know if they're right or not since killing Golden 2 probably won't give us a different result the it did when he was NKed.

However, the post I quoted there was made at 9am. I also went over the real GG's post history, Golden 2's, and boo 2's. This post is the only one that seemed out of behavior to me, since the real GG tends to post in the evening, to sometimes, I am assuming for him, late into it, but I saw none from before 10 or 11am. boo 2 did not have any posts outside of what seems like the normal GG window.

So, I think that would back up the claims Bass 2 is making.

Anyone else noticing a theme with the dead baddies? I think Roxy may be trying to tell us that being a mother makes you evil.

If two people died as GG and a tracker, and juliets died as a tracker, then there are 2 trackers in the game, but one of the two GG's has to be a seemer?

Interesting.

SVS 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

SVS 2 wrote:@ Lacey

I don't think you're all bad, but someone among the four could be. I thought boo's point was a good one though and I'd like to see how it's received by the other three who voted for him. I'm always wary of votes that appear easy to me, and policy lynches are the easiest it gets. You've stated your case and while I don't agree with your logic, I don't necessarily suspect you for it.

Someone among any group of four in a mafia game could be bad. My problem with your logic is that suspecting anyone who votes for him because they cast an easy vote, to the point you would be willing to vote for them, would just be you casting an easy vote of your own. The difference would be they would recognize the vote was easy, while you would become a hypocrite. Then who looks worse?

I've stated my reason for concern with this specific group of four. If I were to vote for one of you solely on the strength of the boo vote, then yes I agree that wouldn't be the strongest case. I haven't done that though. I presented my misgivings and prompted the four of you to expand on your votes. I've not voted for anyone yet and I have no intention of doing so tonight. If I were to vote for one of the four boo voters, it'd be because that vote pinged me, I didn't like their response to my following prompt (assuming those responses eventually come), and I explored their posts further to arrive upon a more substantial justification.

That's good. There are other people who share your opinion, but aren't dealing with it the same way you are. You're an easy way for me to deliver a message to them that I am worried about them for their actions today, coupled with some post Elohcin 2 stuff, without having to call them out, since while worried by them, I am also still undecided.

SVS 2 wrote:@ Lacey

I don't think you're all bad, but someone among the four could be. I thought boo's point was a good one though and I'd like to see how it's received by the other three who voted for him. I'm always wary of votes that appear easy to me, and policy lynches are the easiest it gets. You've stated your case and while I don't agree with your logic, I don't necessarily suspect you for it.

Someone among any group of four in a mafia game could be bad. My problem with your logic is that suspecting anyone who votes for him because they cast an easy vote, to the point you would be willing to vote for them, would just be you casting an easy vote of your own. The difference would be they would recognize the vote was easy, while you would become a hypocrite. Then who looks worse?

He's already made the game less fun for other players, and hasn't been modkilled. I don't think there is a plan to deal with him, I think it's up to us.

What right does he have to be frustrated? He's an unrepentant asshat, having a fit over his inability to be an uncensored asshat.

I'd rather enjoy the rest of the game and lose, then have it be an unpleasant experience and win.

I can appreciate that you don't agree, but if you are going to spin that as me and people who share my point of view are bad for not agreeing with you, you're the one who is being opportunistic, not us.

SVS 2 wrote:

boo 2 wrote:Some of you would make good trolls. You do a great job of making me reply when I already told myself not to.

Cookie your reason for voting me is pretty damn terrible. Not because it could result in my death, of because I'm civ, but for the sheer numbers game of it. There are 15 players are alive right? Only one person died that we know for a fact was Mafia. And there are probably third parties at play. Given the starting numbers of players, I would guess that the game started with a solid 5 Mafia players. Add in that there are usually 1-3 third parties in every game and the possibility that about 4 Mafia are left, we maybe have somewhere around 8 civs left.

Those aren't the kind of numbers that would allow for you to be playing wannabe moderator trying to get me bumped off for no reason other than that you don't like me. Killing me is of no use to town. If you want to vote me, go ahead. But at least make a viable case for me before you do.

I think that apart from the snark, boo makes a sound point here. The people voting for him should answer to it, because we're far enough into this game that policy lynching someone can really serve no benefit to the civs unless he is bad, and it can definitely hurt the civs if he isn't. If someone can make that case that he's bad then great, do that. Otherwise all four of those votes look bad to me.

You're missing the point of 'policy lynching' someone then. It isn't about getting ahead in the game, it's about making this game, and future games, more enjoyable.

Boo 2 has expressed an intent not to change his behavior. If he isn't going to stop being an asshat in this game, I see no reason to expect him to not be an asshat in future games. And asshats aren't fun.

He has also outright stated that he does not intend to post, only vote. So fine, here's a case for why he is bad from an in game perspective.

You are calling 4 one time votes suspicious, because they are easy and do not help the civilians. How does keeping someone who has said they plan to do a drive-by vote in this and every remaining lynch in this game have any accountability for their votes? How can you possibly trust the intentions behind each vote? If the person is bad, how are you ever supposed to figure that out when they say nothing?

And you have to agree that makes him look bad, because it's your own logic for why we look bad. Only there's more to him looking bad, because we're actually posting and taking aaccountability for our
lynch votes, even if you do not agree with the reasons for them.

Ricochet 2 wrote:I feel like I'm under personal attack right now.

I don't want to touch the boo situation with a barge poll. I wanted to stay well out of it. I think it's something the mods should deal with. When I talked about boo being upset, I was trying to be conciliatory, even though I really don't approve of his behaviour. Yes, I read the post, but I don't think piling shit on top of shit is a good thing to be doing. We shouldn't have to be coming in with pitchforks.

I'm voting for boo, because I feel like I'm going to upset people who are probably real life friends if I don't and I feel kind of peer pressured into it. I really don't like it, and I don't like being made to feel like I'm accepting the homophobic behaviour by not wanting to let it derail an entire day of the game. But whatever. I just hope he is bad. Better still, I hope he provides us evidence of two teams.

I wish, though, that a couple of people had respected me on that. When it comes to a situation like that, I don't think people should be pushed into or out of their decision. Can we all just make it for ourselves? I didn't want this to be like this.

Honestly, Lacey and Cookie, your responses to me just then make me want to ask for a modkill, I don't like the way anyone is trying to force others into this. Please back off!

I'm not trying to talk people into or out of anything, and if you felt bullied into it by me then I apologize. I agree with the sentiment that he should have been modkilled.

But I do not agree that doing nothing about him in this situation is the right thing to do. People who don't agree with that aren't going to lose my respect, but I do want them to understand that I do not see it as the easy vote, but he right thing to do. And that's why I am doing it, and would do it as any alignment, in any game, in any similar situation.

Dom 2 wrote:

Lipsticklacey 2 wrote:

Dom 2 wrote:Whether boo flips good or bad, it is an easy lynch. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to reevaluate.

The votes for him have been because he made "dumb" comments (some of which none of us have even seen). This does not correlate to alignment in the slightest.

I didn't say in my post that it was about his alignment.

If he wasn't mod killed for what he said, and he isn't going to ask for a replacement, then it is up to players in the game to make a judgement call on him.

My judgement call is that what he chose to say makes him someone I have no interest in playing with. And then he doubled down on it.

If you did see, and you're comfortable keeping around someone who throws out what amounts to a homophobic slur, that's your call. If you didn't see, then perhaps you should trust those of us who did.

I did not see said comment.

The players (or at least the civilians') mission is to lynch mafia. Eliminating "unfun" players is not in the job description.

Except for the part where it is a game that is played for fun, not a job.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Cookie, my feelings about boo 2's behaviour sit outside the game.

I think the person involved should be forcibly replaced or modkilled.

I think getting a whole lot of attention for it is the wrong approach and we should not be validating it inside the game. It should just be dealt with. My opinion.

Don't get me wrong - if not for all the stuff that just went on, I'd be on board with a boo lynch.

But because it has happened, I can't be on board with it.

I hope you can respect this as for me it's not about the game, it sits completely outside the game. It's, if you like, a matter of ethics and my own personal comfortability with the situation as a whole.

I agree with most of this, except for it not leading to voting for him. If the hostesses and mods aren't going to b punitive and deal with it, then I think it's up to us to do so. You're either willing to play with someone who does something like what he did, or your not. And the best way to show that you're not is to kill the person for it.

Dom 2 wrote:

Cookie 2 wrote:

Dom 2 wrote:

Cookie 2 wrote:Do you still think a baddie role that can't be lynched is ludicrous?

One that can't be lynched? Yes.

As we've seen, Synonym was not a baddie and Long Con only had one chance to switch it. Do you still think it's viable?

I think it was a valid possiblity at the time I said it. the fact that you blew it off and implied it was a ludicrous when i know, and I think you do too, that it is actually rather a common thing. Your post was disingenuous in the extreme. Incredibly so.

There are tons of bad roles that cannot be lynched until they are the last one on their team. Which would be unlikley during day one or two when i said that. You're full of it, tbh.

I find your fear-mongering highly suspect.

And why is my opinion full of it? You asked me a question, and I answered it. What?

Linki: It means that if boo flips mafia everyone will say "yay", but if boo flips civ, everyone will say "oh well, he was saying dumb things". No I don't think Daisy made anything up, as I stated that nobody saw one of the comments, because Daisy erased them.

That isn't true, at least a few of us saw his deleted comment before Daisy got to it.

Dom 2 wrote:Whether boo flips good or bad, it is an easy lynch. Anyone who thinks otherwise needs to reevaluate.

The votes for him have been because he made "dumb" comments (some of which none of us have even seen). This does not correlate to alignment in the slightest.

I didn't say in my post that it was about his alignment.

If he wasn't mod killed for what he said, and he isn't going to ask for a replacement, then it is up to players in the game to make a judgement call on him.

My judgement call is that what he chose to say makes him someone I have no interest in playing with. And then he doubled down on it.

If you did see, and you're comfortable keeping around someone who throws out what amounts to a homophobic slur, that's your call. If you didn't see, then perhaps you should trust those of us who did.

Ricochet 2 wrote:Golden 2 is missing from the poll.

I went and checked and no living player has been missing from a poll before.

I'm very likely to vote for Cookie again today. I think it's pretty good that we got Eloh/ninja when we did, so I'm glad it wasn't cookie yesterday. But I still feel strongly about the slip.

Boo - I hope that you can come to a place where you are ok playing the game to its fullest. I'm not going to vote for you for being upset, but I do think that if you are not willing to post at all, you might consider asking for a replacement.

To be fair to others - I don't think voting for you is bad, I just don't like to vote someone when they are clearly upset.

Did you see his deleted post? He's upset because he was a jackass, and doesn't have free reign to continue being a jackass.

I am voting for boo 2, because that was a painfully stupid post.

Golden 2 wrote:I don't follow. The Hosts have long clarified that the actions can be sent by anyone in the baddie team. Why would that action not count, simply because the player is inactive? It'd defeat the purpose of the team being allowed to send the action, in that player's absence.

It's true that, on other sites, the player still has to show up in BTSC and make a suggestion or have an opinion for the record, for the team to be validated to send it on his behalf. From what the Hosts said, this doesn't seem to be the case here.

linki - "TGG" was/is Wilgy.

I mean the action wouldn't count towards the player actually being active if they didn't send it in, because that isn't that player being active.

I was thinking of Wilgy 2.

Golden 2 wrote:"Lipsticklacey", I believe "Rey" made a comment on who "Blooper" might be and then "SVS" made an OT remark on why, if that happens to be true, a modkill on him would be "tough to swallow" for the Host, as she put it.

Two posts out of 4 by "Blooper" were during the Night, so her sending actions around that time as well isn't a farfetched concept, despite her otherwise apathetic and inactive gameplay and is out of modkill range, on its own. The dark flip side, of course, is that "Blooper" is bad and her team sent all the actions in her place.

Also, yes, I saw those posts. I just don't think Roxy would show that kind of bias. For all we know GG2 was the real Bass, and she did swallow it.