The Syndicate

Jennet Bierley wrote:

Malin Matsdotter wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote: So, what does everyone else think happened? A lynch switch? Entjen is unlynchable? There were hidden or double votes somewhere?

I do not think it is likely that Entjen is unlynchable. Based on what happened before, I think that would have resulted in no lynch. It seems more likely that it was either a switch or hidden votes. Hard to tell with so many roles with secrets.

Like I also said, there was a tie for second on Day 1, so that is why I believe no one was lynched. That is generally what happens, right?

Katharina Henot wrote:Rip Krystyna.

Rebecca Nurse wrote:

Katharina Henot wrote:
Roughly 20 minutes later she was here to make these comments but not to address anything game related as the lynch is coming closer to close time.

Since she was online and posting, I asked her again to take a look at my post as it's hard for me to respond to her initial request w/o having any answers to the questions I have.

This feels to me like avoiding actually talking about what her opinions are. Like she just threw some names out to look like she was hunting, but didn't want to discuss anything too in depth. I tried to give her a chance to elaborate more, but she has not done that. She has avoided doing that.

There's where my vote is going and that is why.

You "gave me (barely any) time" to post of mine that you seemed to agree with? Or at least weren't bothered by? :P Makes sense. I'm at work. Using my phone. A dick joke or two before I clock in I have time for. I always have time for a dick joke. I dont have time to make worthwhile posts about the game. I'm on break at the moment - since you need my minute by minute schedule. Don't be such a witch. :P

I am not sure if this is meant to be sarcastic or jokey, so I'm going to take the high road and presume that you intended to be light hearted and jokey.

I was using the information available to me in the thread. This is the first I'd heard of you being at work or anything of the sort. The first time you left it was to eat and you said you'd be back in roughly an hour. Without knowing that there was work and being near a computer avalibility issues, how am I supposed to take your words and your posts other than how they appear in the thread?

You asked for opinions but the two people who commented on your request didn't get a second blink. It was drawing into the last hour and a half of a pretty tight lynch. Given the info I had at the time, that read to me like you were fishing for someone to latch onto a case so you could justify voting it.

And no, I don't need a minute by minute breakdown of everyone's schedule every second of the day but posting something like "I'm at work,...." "I'm on my phone,....." does help to factor in when someone's got avalibility issues. That's why I posted that I was on my way to work when I voted.

Katharina Henot wrote:
Roughly 20 minutes later she was here to make these comments but not to address anything game related as the lynch is coming closer to close time.

Since she was online and posting, I asked her again to take a look at my post as it's hard for me to respond to her initial request w/o having any answers to the questions I have.

This feels to me like avoiding actually talking about what her opinions are. Like she just threw some names out to look like she was hunting, but didn't want to discuss anything too in depth. I tried to give her a chance to elaborate more, but she has not done that. She has avoided doing that.

There's where my vote is going and that is why.

Krystyna Ceynowa wrote:

Mary Eastey wrote:

Krystyna Ceynowa wrote:

Jane Southworth wrote:Even if you thought she did want to get lynched, why would wanting to get lynched make her a baddie? You even agree that it's more likely a civvie would say something like that than a baddie.

I will probably never agree with you on this and I need to figure out whether that's just based on our differing mafia principles or if has something to do with your alignment in this game. I'm trying not to read too much into it, but that Bridget lynch just felt so personal, and there was almost no remorse afterwards from the people responsible.

Well, to clarify, no, I feel no remorse for lynching Bridget. I think she wanted it, and she certainly got it.

For without the policy. convainc

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Was this supposed to be a dick joke? I think this was supposed to be a dick joke.

Jennet Bierley wrote:

Mary Eastey wrote:With Christina Aguilera and don't know how bad. The population is six months, and total loss of logic was gold Hotel Christina. The river burn and give them opportunities for young people. This is décharg new.

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Can I help you?

Mary Eastey wrote:

Rebecca Nurse wrote:Anyone want to comment on my segment on Jane? Does anyone else see what I'm seeing?

It's so gross when you plabr your popcorn, Mary. Why can't you just eat like a normal person? You're embarrassing me!

In your country?

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Alizon Device wrote:

Krystyna Ceynowa wrote:Yes... and I'm not sure why you find that amusing? Civvies don't get lynched by other civvies because those other civvies feel like lynching a civvie, they get lynched because they look like they are baddies. More than the actual number of baddies are going to come across as baddie...

You literally said this:

"Do civs miss votes? They do. Do civs lay low? Yep. Do civs do crazy things? Sometimes.
Do baddies miss votes? They do. Do baddies lay low? Yep. Do baddies do crazy things? Sometimes."

but then really want to follow it up with:

"So according to you, there are like a dozen people displaying baddie behavior! "?

You're agreeing with me but then acting like what we agreed on is laughable.

I'm not agreeing with you.

You said "they get lynched because they look like they are baddies." But what do baddies look like? They try to look like civvies. Baddies don't try to "look like baddies."

I don't have much more time. I'm going to vote for Krystyna.

Märet Jonsdotter wrote:

Krystyna Ceynowa wrote:

Mary Eastey wrote:"So, if they are a baddie team, why don't they have an NK? And what about the fact that they are each head of houses, and all of the students are evenly divided between the houses? That has to mean something, right?"

This is speculation, but I think each of the teachers can recruit someone from their house to their team. They have to search for them every night. So yes, they may not have an NK, but I think that they could probably lower the amount of civvies drastically.

Those numbers don't make any sense. If every teacher recruited someone, and they are baddies, that would result in 12 baddies total. You're pushing things that aren't likely. Mafia teams have kills. You use not knowing the teachers alignment as a reason they are bad, but we don't have the alignment for any role, and there are no grounds to believe the teachers are bad (once again, I'd say Snape is a possible exception, perhaps some kind of solo baddie).

We KNOW that Lucius is searching for Draco each night. We don't know what happens if he finds him, but we do know neither he or Draco are anything that could be considered good people, and Crabbe, Goyle, and Pansy are worse. You're trying to force role alignments that are consistent with a standard layout, not alignments that make real sense, and not alignments that are supported by what little we do have to go on.

She literally says that somehow, civvies are worse. If this isn't fear mongering, I don't know what is.

Big time.

This is suspicious to me. Kryssy seemed to be quite clearly talking about the characters and not the roles but Maret made this comment anyway. It wasn't exactly a one-off comment either. It's been highly discussed today. Why? Feels like Maret is revving her bandwagon engine and hoping everyone jumps on. (This is where Mary says "Bandwagons have engines?" and I say "Haven't they always? ")

Jennet Bierley wrote:Quiet day so far. Where is everyone?

Margarethe Reinberg wrote:I'm checking in occasionally, waiting for Krystyna's response regarding why s/he said Crabbe, Goyle and Pansy were worse than Lucius or Draco. I was hoping s/he would have responded by now.

Krys-ice-baby answered 12 hours before this. Where were you? Right. Beating a dead horse. Got it. I've always been bugged by the "logic" of "I didn't like your answer, so you didn't give one".

JANIE-POO GETS HER OWN SEGMENT! HUZZAH!

I noticed something about Jane. 20 posts. Let's take a look, shall we?
(Quotes not verbatim to save space and avoid redundancy, feel free to look them up yourself if you want)

1 - OT
2 - Asks Agnes a question about what Agnes thinks. "Votes will be random"
3 - OT
4 - "I don't suspect you Agnes, thanks for getting the ball rolling" "I don't suspect Entjen for suspecting you, you could get lynched" "Votes will be random"
5 - *Randomizes and votes for the goodiest goody that ever did good * Whatta witch!
6 - OT
7 - "Glad the professors aren't baddies but they're not civvies either" (i.e. defining what it is to be an independent - k?) *quotes Bridget "Crazy Bones" Bishop* "Not sure what to make of that"
8 - "Agnes wasn't a DE" "We shouldn't assume DEs can't survive lynches" (not bad for your first shared opinion)
9 - Asks Bridget "Bad Witch" Bishop about what Bridgo thinks
10 - She doesn't like that Barbara and Jennet seem noncommittal - then proceeds to be noncommittal herself about them being noncommittal - Then asks them about what they think
11 - Asks Krys why she suspects Bridget "Bad to the Bone" Bishop, asks Entjen what she thinks (Entjen was pretty ridiculous in this quote, to be fair, but this is Jane's section), and asks Barbara to explain her suspicion of Bridget "Back dat up" Bishop
12 - Discusses weird Entjen (again, it will be covered in a different section) but barely gives any input of her own - if any, just responding to an overly defensive Enty
13 - Retracts her entire previous post and apologizes for it *lifts rug* *sweeps* (POOF! Dirt = Gone. Now THAT'S magic!)
14 - Somewhat OT post saying she doesn't agree with trying to figure out who is behind the sockpuppet
15 - Votes for Krys for voting for Bridget based on who she thinks is playing Bridget "Lynch me" Bishop but decides to state that, obviously, her opinion might change based on the lynch result
16 - *lists who missed the vote*
17 - Apologizes to Bridget "suicidal homicidal genocidal death defying maniac" Bishop for getting votes the way she did
18 - OT
19 - OT
20 - Asks Kath what she thinks, asks Krys what she thinks, and asks Jennet what she thinks

I feel like all she does is post OT, ask others questions, or talk in circles about current topics but never picks a side. She wants nothing to be held against her. I will hold that against her. Like my body - I don't really understand how that joke is supposed to work. I honestly don't see anything she has ever said as adding to the discussion, at least not intentionally. With slight exception going to the post in which she voted for Krys, she has never outright said she suspected anyone or anything. I hope I'm wrong about Jane. I so don't want her to be evil 'cause dat avatar.

"Next, Rebecca Nurse. I lean towards feeling ok-ish about her. We didn't get a reason for why she didn't vote though, so if there is one, or at least some acknowledgement about it, that would be good. Some helpfulness, asking questions, discussing suspicion. Don't see myself voting here today." A question for me? Aw shucks, you shouldn't have I was traveling and didn't realize I wouldn't have service where I was. I would have reluctantly voted Bridget. Hard not to when she was basically begging for it

Entjen Gillis wrote:Krystyna I def do not have btsc, and if I did, don't you think my posts would be a little more consistant
because I would have an idea what is going on from my btsc? I am all on my own here, and I really am just busy.
I can't speak for whether or not anyone saw it as snarky only how I did, but when I see things that way I would rather not get an attitude back which is why I chose to step away from it for the moment. We can argue that you did not take it the same way but everyone takes things differently.
I do think win conditions are important because people don't know what they need to be doing to win. I have played games where you are required to be alive at the end, and I have played games where you win if your team (civ, or bad) wins at the end regardless of if you are alive and or greatly changes how people play.
I'm sorry that you don't agree that there has been more discussions about roles and the like than suspicion. it seems like every time I check the thread there is talk about roles and whether or not a role can be good or bad based on the books and stuff like that. While I find it ok to talk about those things some I feel like some people may be pushing the conversation in that direction to steer the conversation away from talking about the players, so that when lynch time comes its a big clusterfuck of random suspicions coming out of the woodwork and a civvie will be lynched.
I don't think I am shrugging off responsibility for missing the vote. I hate missing votes, which although you don't know who I am, I will tell you it's not something I often do. I said it was my fault, and I don't know who I would've voted for because hindsight is everything and when you see the result its easy to say oh I would have done this or that. Point is, I didn't vote and I missed a lot of that discussion so I can't go back and change that and offer you up with a name just for the sake of naming someone

Starts with wifom, what can you really say about that?
I don't buy this "busy" stuff. To me, it feels like a cop-out when you always have time to say you're too busy to catch up but continue to find time to post anyway. You did that earlier in your argument with Jane. You made a lot of half-comments, said you needed to go back and double check things, and then said you weren't going to basically because Jane asked you to do just that. You can't give your opinion on Day 2 because you missed the vote? I hope me saying I suspect you doesn't make you refuse to post anymore

Mary Eastey wrote:

Rebecca Nurse wrote:Mom! Mary is pretending she's just now learning English again. You said she couldn't do that anymore.

God, everything! You should always be your stuff! Always love more!

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Jennet questioning Krysty researching her suspects is odd because A) it makes sense for one to do that B) Krysty said she was going to earlier and C) I'm doing that right now PS. Is it weird to anyone else that Jennet and Barbara always seem to be on the exact same page as one another? Even going so far as to defending each other for no reason?

Entjen Gillis wrote:I think it's weird for her to have posted that she was pinged when there was nothing much on topic posted, but I am also not sure I want to lynch the first person trying to get the discussion on topic. On one hand, she could be legitimately trying to get discussion going, but the other option is she was trying to post on topic without committing to any actual suspicions. I'm looking forward to hearing these pings first

Entjen Gillis wrote:Sorry not going to be around much today but I'm trying to keep up when I can. I don't really understand the Bridget thing. She seems like she is voting/playing weird and I see there has been some talk about that. I personally haven't had the time to read through everything to find the explanation yet.

I can't remember atm but there was someone Agnes asked me to look at before she died. I feel like it was Bridget as well, which doesn't do her any favors in my book (if it wasn't Bridget I want to look at whoever it was because something about that is sticking out to me)

Entjen Gillis wrote: First off I have read, i am just out so it's not so thoroughly as I would have liked.

Where did I say I don't remember anything about it? Or that I felt so strongly about it? I want to make sure it was Bridget's name before I condemn her, and since I didn't have time to go back when I posted it.
So to recap: snarky attitude has made me not want to read back. Not sure why you are being so defensive when I wasn't even talking about you. Is your teammate getting lynched?

Entjen Gillis wrote:Read through everything. I haven't had time to go back through the roles and everything to find the explanation that some seem to be eluding to. I don't have the roles memorized yet so it takes me a bit of back and forth to get a grasp on what is going on.

Ok here is why it seemed snarky to me. You take a couple of sentences of mine then at the bottom put something like "so to recap" you don't remember anything and the like. I fail to see why anyone needs to "recap" a couple sentences with a couple more. Everyone is fairly capable of reading them themselves.
It does scream of snark to me, and it's not that I don't want to sort through my own suspicions but when I take something as snarky I'd rather not try to sort through the posts at that time.

Lizzy wrote:Day 1

Who among you is a Death Eater?

Poll ended at Thu Feb 13, 2014 10:49 pm

Merga Bien
0
No votes

Jennet Bierley
0
No votes

Bridget Bishop
1
Alice Nutter (11)
4%

Krystyna Ceynowa
1
Margarethe Reinberg (10)
4%

Alizon Device
0
No votes

Mary Eastey
3
Krystyna Ceynowa (4), Sarah Good (12), Katharina Henot (23)
13%

Entjen Gillis
3
Margaret Pearson (5), Agnes Sampson (17), Jennet Bierley (21)
13%

Sarah Good
2
Anna Koldings (13), Anne Whittle (18)
9%

Katharina Henot
0
No votes

Märet Jonsdotter
0
No votes

Anna Koldings
1
Malin Matsdotter (9)
4%

Barbara Kollerin
0
No votes

Malin Matsdotter
0
No votes

Kael Merrie
1
Barbara Kollerin (14)
4%

Rebecca Nurse
1
Jane Southworth (19)
4%

Alice Nutter
0
No votes

Margaret Pearson
0
No votes

Anne Redferne
0
No votes

Margarethe Reinberg
0
No votes

Agnes Sampson
5
Rebecca Nurse (7), Mary Eastey (8), Brita Zippel (15), Bridget Bishop (16), Entjen Gillis (22)
22%

Jane Southworth
0
No votes

Karin Svensdotter
0
No votes

Anne Whittle
1
Anne Redferne (6)
4%

Brita Zippel
0
No votes

Count Dooku (Hosts/Mods/Deadies)
4
Lizzy (1), MovingPictures07 (2), S~V~S (3), A Person (20)
17%

Total votes : 23

Missing votes: Merga Bien; Alizon Device; Märet Jonsdotter; Kael Merrie; Karin Svensdotter

Agnes Sampson wrote:We are wasting time as soon you will see. Should have had some discussion about what I said instead of voting for the only person who tried to discuss supicions.

I will not be lynched so there

Bubble bubble toil and trouble over that.

Voted Entjen. For making a mountain from a molehill.

Agnes Sampson wrote:

Entjen Gillis wrote:

Agnes Sampson wrote:We are wasting time as soon you will see. Should have had some discussion about what I said instead of voting for the only person who tried to discuss supicions.

I will not be lynched so there

Bubble bubble toil and trouble over that.

Voted Entjen. For making a mountain from a molehill.

You are far from the ONLY ONE who tried to discuss suspicions.

And lol I did no such thing.

Orly? Who brought up an on topic suspicion before I did and then I became the suspicion?

I forgot about that. We know nothing. How can we stop the unknown? The world is going to end!!

Katharina Henot wrote:

Rebecca Nurse wrote:

Jane Southworth wrote:Hmm well if they're good enough for Katharina to eat then I don't think they're poisoned. *nom noms on a filched cake*

Agnes Sampson wrote:Although it is early there are a few posts that caused my eyebrow to arch but I want to see how this day plays out.

History tells us that this day will probably play out with randomization Which posts pinged you? There hasn't really been any on-topic discussion yet.

Someone has never seen The Princess Bride, I see. :P

fwiw - I think she was playing Wesley in this post and her one before it.

I could be wrong, but I'm seeing it as a post to start generating discussion. Doesn't mean she's civ or mafia, just means she was WIFOM starting discussion.

Jane Southworth wrote:Hmm well if they're good enough for Katharina to eat then I don't think they're poisoned. *nom noms on a filched cake*

Agnes Sampson wrote:Although it is early there are a few posts that caused my eyebrow to arch but I want to see how this day plays out.

History tells us that this day will probably play out with randomization Which posts pinged you? There hasn't really been any on-topic discussion yet.

Malin Matsdotter wrote:Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they're not out to get you!

Anne Redferne wrote:Can't you just buy a new hairbrush and a new sweater, then you'll each have one of both?

Alice Nutter wrote:Psst.

I'm the school slut, k?