The Syndicate

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OK, whatever, have it your way. I've made my points, I'm not going to argue forever. If you want it your way, have it your way. I don't actually have a voice OR a vote in this game, I haven't for probably about 10 days, I'm not actually sure what the point of me being here is. FWIW, Balaam was off t...

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Who wanted to lynch Cain? Jonathan???? You've led SO MANY lynches in this game.... that it's literally impossible to drown your voice out no matter how hard anyone tries. If you say the word, it will be. Don't you think it's time you were a bit careful with that? I think Belshazzar was probably Sams...

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Common sense. The reason she is back is the interference of a horseman. Why WOULDN'T we let it playout. Why would a horseman bring a heathen back... just to delay us a day? To assist the heathen in winning? That doesn't make any sense. He did it because it's suits HIS purposes. I think Ruth is proba...

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I am not with you at all Absalom. You have managed to control this thread day after day after day after day. Well done, by the way. You've been doing it since day 2, and you never stopped. I bet you are heathen, and you've been throwing teammates under the bus. But at this point, I think it's game o...

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If you're not being mind controlled, then you're okay with dying to prove he's civ, and living to prove he's bad? Is it all that worth it when no one else is voting for him? No, but YOU might be ok with that, since I've been going after you for do long. If he is civ, I'd prefer he died to prove he ...

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Isaac, if you even have to ask that question...

It's blatantly obvious why. I've made it incredibly clear. And I don't think any better of you for not paying attention.

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Well, on Isaac I've always felt his voting patterns look terrible and there has never really been anything he has yet done to persuade me he is civilian. I note, for instance, that there are STILL no new apostle activations, despite Isaac claiming to be a vanilla one. It seems to me at this point th...

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I always suspected Judas secret was that he'd be a heathen recruit. The most obvious choice. In which case, for the first time this game, I feel doomed. Especially since I lost my buddy Balaam. Oh who am I kidding, he was an ass. As backwards as this sounds, I'd actually advocate not lynching Ruth t...

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Could Ruth be heathen? Sure

But I tend to think she might be Belshazzar.

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Wait, the horsemen don't have btsc? Yeah, I'm not sure why I put that so decisively. It's more accurate to say that I went back to page one to check and it doesn't say they have btsc. They might have it, but there is no guarantee that they do. I had another theory too - what if Belsh WAS samson, an...

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Interesting, would be good to get clarity on if Ruth is alive, sounds like it. But Epi has removed Belshazaar from the list of the living but hasn't restored Ruth, so it could just be that the "Ruth" thing was a reference to Belshazzar's death, and the fact he called out goliath and neb to...

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Guys, if we follow Balaam's plan, we WILL get a civ lynch, and everyone who voted for the civ will have cover to say "well, I was just following the plan," including Balaam himself. I don't think that's quite fair. Did we get a civ lynch yesterday? If we were to use the plan, I currently ...

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She's a prostitute...

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Balaam, definitely don't friend Rahab on facebook. Don't you know how that would look? Is that really the reputation you want?

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Lol.

And honestly, I agree with you that Belshazzar is probably a one shot thing.

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As I've wondered (before being labeled as desperate), maybe Isaac is Heathen, and Mordecai chose not to sacrifice him by saving himself. But if that's true, and I were also Heathen, why would I sacrifice Isaac when Mordecai didn't? This is a very good point. I still think Isaac could well be heathe...

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As I've wondered (before being labeled as desperate), maybe Isaac is Heathen, and Mordecai chose not to sacrifice him by saving himself. But if that's true, and I were also Heathen, why would I sacrifice Isaac when Mordecai didn't? This is a very good point. I still think Isaac could well be heathe...

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Answer me this, however: since you were suddenly frightened, 10 minutes left into the lynch, when Lazarus voted you, of the prospect of him being Simon and still being empowered enough to doom you to be lynched, how is that consistent with your belief that he's bad? You're flipping between the opti...

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Isaac wrote:Thank you for voting Lazarus, Lot. I would have died had you voted for me.

It evened out your self vote. Don't self vote again.

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Also, in my mind the team was Isaac, Belshazzar, Lazarus. I was surprised to see Belshazzar vote Isaac, because I actually expected him to vote Mordecai to save Isaac.

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I'm up for Belshazzar.

But not before I've buried Lazarus!

(for what it's worth, I've had a feeling for quite a while that Lazarus could actually genuinely be Belshazzar's teammate. I've been very careful of Belshazzar, but now that there is momentum I definitely think this is the day).

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I understand Deborah. Please don't take my fainting as criticism (mafia or not). It actually just made me laugh out loud, because it's almost like clockwork.

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Maybe Balaam had to vote as Samson

Me too, actually, Balaam has been pretty good at getting his ass into the thread.

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Deborah wrote:I'm so sorry for missing the vote.

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When I was silenced, what I was told made it expressly clear when I could talk again.

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No, I assume he doesn't. I hope he doesn't. I wasn't worried about today - I was worried about the implications for the future. Ultimately there is a clock ticking down on me.

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"[The Zealot is determined to eliminate his enemies; for each Day in a row that he votes the same person, his vote increases by one.]" I read this (I hope) as resetting when he switches target. If not, I may be doomed today anyway, but otherwise the danger comes in a couple of days time. C...

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I have had Jonah pegged as horseman since day one, until Belshazzar's read of him today. Then, I started to rethink and I think his actions can easily be seen as a teammate of Uzziah, so now I think it's possible he is heathen... BUT, I don't think a vote for Jonah is meaningful right now in the con...

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Esther wrote:
Lazarus wrote:LOT MUST DIE! So I am voting for him.
Why must he die?

For the same reason Lazarus must die, I suppose

I'd really like War to die, to see if it broke the cycle. Because this is really really bad news for me, if Lazarus is Simon the Zealot.

@samuel - I think there is a chance Jonah is bad.

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@Belsh - does that mean you agree with my point 2 in the first post, because I sort of said it counted in favour of Isaac being civilian rather than against? Just want to be clear about your perspective here.

I definitely think it's clear Mordecai is silenced.

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Thank you, Rahab, for reading the case (and Esther). It seems no one else has even commented on how Isaac did a complete about face yesterday. It bothers me that people seem to be choosing not to read it... I'm beginning to worry about the plausibility of recruits.

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Belshazzar wrote:He fully contributes, but his votes have now landed early on Lazarus. I could do without the latter, simply by the way he's doing it, even if I understand if he is "compelled" to do something about Lazarus.

Join the club!

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Really? I can see a Heathen in the four of us. It would make sense. OK, but it isn't me, it isn't you, it isn't Absalom - so that leaves Belshazzar. And, I dunno, I need to do a read back, but he has been making tables and some very good observations. I'm not 100% sold that Belshazzar can't be. On ...

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Esther, I really think Isaac, but Mordecai seems to be gaining steam and may be a good choice. At least he isn't a divisive choice. I'd caution, though. Mordecai appears to be silenced, which is never a good time to lynch someone. Yes, I know it can be faked. But it also just seems really mean. If y...

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I also strongly feel, at this point, that all four of us have done reads and debates in vain, because the rest will just come and do lottery between our choices. Sorry to put it this way, but :shrug: Well, I'm convinced that at least one of us doing reads is bad, because wouldn't you? Would you let...

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So at minimum, the logic is flawed in that Martha could have been Simon the Zealot. So could have Paul but I feel like Stephen might have felt Lazarus was worth pushing harder, given his close affinity with Paul. I finally picked up on this possible loophole (guess I didn't read your reads lists to...

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Isaac's self vote is troubling. But to me it reads like a civvie who feels doomed .. He is convinced he will either get NKed or lynched. I can't see a baddie throwing in the towell like thta. Isaac threatened to self vote in his overreaction to suspicion the first day his name was brought up... The...

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Belshazzar wrote:What did you mean by Stephen's close affinity with Paul?

I'm pretty sure that Paul's real identity subbed in and became Stephen's real identity when Stephen's 'house exploded'.

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For whats it worth, my real list is:

1) Isaac
2) Deborah
3) Mordecai

And I'll throw Jonah in at 4, as someone who I'm newly looking at and could rise after a reread.

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I chose not to relax in that moment because I am not around much between now and the lynch, or at least I'm not expecting to be. Glad I made my point, at least!

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1. Isaac
2. Isaac
3. Isaac

READ MY CASE!!!!

Especially the last day where he literally completely reverses his position.

I can't believe he is still not featuring in top threes, it's insane.

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Jonah Not the cleanest vote record either, often going spontaneously for his last suspicion (Mary, Rahab) and leaving others behind (Martha, Balaam, Deborah). Never took a stance on Uzziah (being unsure what to make of it), plus left an awfully jokey post in awe to Uzziah's troll abilities, but als...

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So Isaac's response to my case is a self-vote.

Stuff like that is frustrating.

I voted Lazarus at the very start of the day. I did mention it (at least I'm pretty sure I did).

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It's a funny thing Jacob... Here is Isaac Here is Jacob Isaac and Jacob both have terrible vote records Isaac and Jacob both role hinted. But I really believe Isaac is bad. And I really want to trust Jacob is good. That feels right and correct to me. I hope people read what I've posted on Isaac, par...

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Ironically, perhaps part of why I trust your hint more is because I can't find it. Anyway, I read one more time and did find something. So maybe I now have an idea. It's not a role I would have called critical to the towns success, and not one that I can see any basis on which to determine it MUST b...

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@Belshazzar. Your post has made good reading so far. I think you are right to point out that your vote and Balaam's vote on Absalom day somewhat clear your names. HOWEVER... If Lazarus is Nebuchudnezzar (or is on team baddie) then the baddies would know that his vote didn't have a hecks hope of savi...

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So, Isaac part 2 - after taking heat. 1) Isaac describes himself as super flip-floppy. Honestly, if there is any one thing that my read of him up to this point has taught me, it's that he has stuck to his guns more than anyone except maybe Absalom and Stephen. He hasn't seemed very flip-floppy at al...

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Well at least we are a lot of triers, eh? Look at us all and our rereading!

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What have I seen from an Isaac reread. 1) One thing I will say, and I've felt this all along, is that Isaac reads well. His posts have a very civilian tone to them. There is also nothing in most of these posts that could not be read as a civilian demonstrating a perfectly valid perspective. Noting t...

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Balaam, I love that you do them. I've been too focussed on my Isaac reread (half way through a big post on that) but I'm looking forward to reading your stuff as my next step.

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