The Syndicate

Katharina Henot wrote:If Jennet is Hermoine - (and I've not seen her say no - but beg for a lynch - which makes me think yes she just may be) -
Is it not possible that on N3 she got the info on Mary - then on N4 she got the info on Karin? Then on N5 she was killed before she could give her info because it was focused on the first baddie she found? Or was Hermoine's power an every other night power?

I can't give you a yes sir, no sir, or even a three bags full sir (or ma'am). Those would be against the rules[/color]

Lizzy wrote: 3. No role outing yourself or others, as well as revealing your or others’ ture identity.
4. No info dumping.

And I'm not sure what a "ture identit" is, but I don't think I've discovered any yet.

Katharina Henot wrote:That said - I also have a VERY important question:

Dear Sweet and Totally Evol Hosts: Do our rezzed players come back able to use their Night Powers?

I know the answer, but I'll leave it to the gracious hosts to answer.

Katharina Henot wrote:Jennet. I want to believe you. You and Jane were the two people I've felt the whole way through that were civ. If you were in my place could you see why I'm worried?

Also - what do you think of Barbara?

I see why you're worried, I'm doing my best.

As for Barb, she's good. I think she's lying low because her case against Karin was torn to shreds.

Jane Southworth wrote:Katharina, I think you're letting your trust of Jennet before she died influence your opinion of her now. Jennet has called out two players I strongly feel she is wrong about, Alizon and Karin. I've picked up on a few things in both of their posts that make me think they're not the mafia. And I know for certain that Jennet is wrong about me. But she thinks that if she acts like she knows something, that we'll take her word for it and lynch whoever she tells us to.

Frankly I don't know what to do about Jennet: I don't think lynching her would be productive because I think she will appear as her role before her death. I don't see any other way to get rid of her and she's not disappearing like she hinted at. Unless the Death eaters kill her, she might continue to stick around and attempt to lead us in lynches. And the longer she's around, the more we will be tempted to follow her.

This sounds very much like what Alizon said. You think that I'm bad, but you don't want to lynch me, for fear of revealing my role. Yours has been worded a little different, but I'm getting the same impression. Let me also point out this particular statement.

Jane Southworth wrote:Unless the Death eaters kill her, she might continue to stick around and attempt to lead us in lynches. And the longer she's around, the more we will be tempted to follow her.

If the Death Eaters are going to try and kill me, that would make me good. If I'm good (and knowledgable), then what exactly is wrong with me pointing out who should be lynched.

As for the fact that I stated that I would disappear, but haven't. Let's just say that the Death Eaters did not call my bluff.

Katharina Henot wrote:rest up and get better. To many players are sick these days.

Thanks I will do my best!

Can we just go ahead and lynch Karin tomorrow?

Katharina Henot wrote:I'm very sorry Jennet. I didn't realize a) you were bedridden or b) a joke at my own expense would cause so much problems.

Mods around - feel free to to delete the offensive image. My intention was not to insult but rather to add levity to the fact that I feel so confused.

No worries, it's not permanent or anything, just a bad infection and a fever to boot, which aren't helping my attitude. I think I'll just go disappear until the day phase is over.

Thanks Katharina. I'm already frustrated enough from being bedridden. And I have to deal with you peeps...

If we're going to lynch a civvie, who would you rather it be, you or me? I'd rather it be me.

Getting a successful lynch is (almost) always a good thing to happen. With a role revealed, we learn so much more than we otherwise would. We would find out that person's affiliation, we could look at their play, and make judgments based on that. We can look at voting records both for and against the person. There are so many option.

With a lynch survival, we learn nothing, one witch (possibly 2 or even more) will be killed the next night, and we're right back to where we started. We can't just keep lynching Malin while our civs keep getting picked off. I've stated my reasons for wanting to lynch Karin. I got a little support, but the baddies piled on late and lynched Anne Whittle, saving Karin. Alizon seems to still have a lot of trust from players even though she was quite keen on getting Whittle lynched.

Jane Southworth wrote:The patient shows.

Welcome.

Jane, but she's been lunafied, so no one will go for it today.

Those are my three prime suspects, Alizon a little more hesitant than the other two.

Sorry Sarah, but I don't think that lynching someone who has survived several deaths is a good idea either. Odds are that they'll survive another one, and we'll just be down a townie the following day. We don't know if you're right or not, and we're getting to a time where we can't just guess.

Katharina Henot wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote:Anyway, I really don't believe you all should be following what Alizon has to say today. She's seemingly taken the reigns and is leading us astray. She could be a misguided townie, but she very well could be a Death Eater (my belief).

I disagree with you. I think at *worst* she is a misguided civ, but I do not think at all that Alizon is a Death Eater.

I'm also curious as to why you and Barbara are so sure that lynching you is a) the best way to go and b) will give us lots of information.

Because lynching me will presumably reveal my role (something that a NK will not do). Don't you also find it interesting that Alizon believes I am "working" for Lord Voldemort, but has no interest in lynching me? She knows what will happen, and does not want it to happen, the same reason she has been keeping me alive. This is also why she does not want to lynch Karin, who I do know is bad. I'm sorry I can't tell anything more than this vague statement, but I would be breaking rules if I did.

I voted myself. I do believe Sarah is good, or at least not bad, and we'll benefit more from my own lynch.

Anyway, I really don't believe you all should be following what Alizon has to say today. She's seemingly taken the reigns and is leading us astray. She could be a misguided townie, but she very well could be a Death Eater (my belief).

Malin Matsdotter wrote:

Alizon Device wrote:

Malin Matsdotter wrote:Alizon, what do you make of the fact that Jennet said she would return to the underworld like Agnes, but has not done so?

That is yet a mystery to me. Agnes' exact words were this~

"But alas, I am likely not long for this world so I will have to hurry in any case."

That implies the possibility of staying. So I don't know. What do you think?

Jennet said this:

Jennet Bierley wrote: I know exactly why I have returned. I'm sure you could figure it out if you look at what's happened in recent parts of the game. Let's just say that I don't have long here (very much like Agnes), and I'm pressing as a result of that.

To me, this reads like a clever way to avoid getting lynched. Who would waste a lynch on someone who is going to die anyway? I think it is a big fat lie.

Although that doesn't necessarily make her bad. Civvies lie too sometimes.

Except that I offered my own lynch as a viable alternative to lynching Anne Whittle.

Alizon Device wrote:That, coupled with my opinion that resurrected persons are working for Tom Riddle, had been giving me pause about Sarah Good being bad.

Wait, so you hinted that you brought me back to life, and yet you think it was the doing of Tom Riddle?

I won't be active much at all today. I came down with a fever yesterday, and am feeling pretty rugged. I would also prefer to keep the 48 hour days please mods.

I plan on voting Karin again today, but I'll wait 'til the end of the day to keep you witches somewhat happy.

Alizon Device wrote:I was wrong about Anne Whittle. I'm sorry Anne, and won't blame you if you hate me. Like I said, I'm trying, and I still don't think Karin is bad.

Märet Jonsdotter wrote:Alizon Device
1
Alice Nutter (9)
7%

Karin Svensdotter
5
Jennet Bierley (2), Barbara Kollerin (3), Anne Whittle (5), Anne Redferne (7), Märet Jonsdotter (8)
33%

Anne Whittle
5
Katharina Henot (10), Malin Matsdotter (11), Alizon Device (12), Karin Svensdotter (14), Jane Southworth (15)
33%


You're telling this doesn't look like a classic baddie save? The FIRST vote for Anne came after the LAST vote for Karin.

No it doesn't.

Maybe because all the Anne voters, you know, WAITED to vote. Like I've been asking people to do (when we have 48 hours). Maybe they were willing to hear out what anybody else had to say. That's what I did. To be fair, I think you did also, although it's clear you could have waited a bit longer.

It's only a baddie save if Karin is a baddie, and sorry to the ressurectees, but I'm not convinced. I listen to cases, not smelly "Some of us have info."

Aside from you Alizon, not a single person offered any sort of reason for their vote of Anne, though I don't blame Karin since it was self-preservation. Based on where we're at in the game, and the fact that Anne racked up 5 votes late in the day after being down to Karin 5-0, there is something far "smellier" about that lynch than what I have stated so far in this game. At least one of those five witches is a Death Eater, and if you're going to dispute that with me then you're loonier than Luna. Today's lynch was a waste (you apologized, so must understand this as well), and I say this because even though we don't know Crabbe's alignment, he is a student, and this post clears him as a probable civilian.

Also, I'm not saying that the Anne Whittle case isn't a good one or anything. I just happen to be more certain of Karin.

Most assuredly not. As far as my knowledge goes, the only Death Eater no longer with us is Mary. My guess is that Voldemort doesn't die until all of his Death Eaters have passed, which is a scary thought when there are still a grand total of three.

Well there's only three voters left, And I know two of them (Karin and Jane) are going to hop on the Whittle-wagon.

If you're not going to lynch Karin, then just lynch me.

Why are you voting her?

That makes for 2 odd votes for Miss Whittle.

Katharina Henot wrote:Ok - everything else aside - if we didn't lynch Karin - where else are we looking?

I think you should vote Karin, and if not her, then vote for me. You're allowed to make up your own mind though, you don't have to have someone else tell you where to place your vote, you know.

Anne Redferne wrote:My preference today is a Karin lynch. What I was saying is that a Jennet lynch would work almost as well. Jennet seems to be saying that her lynch reveal would provide evidence of some kind which would lead to Malin's lynch the next day, making the two options analogous. The only differences being that one is slower but more assured, and the other is riskier but possibly more efficient.

I know you stayed up 'til 8 AM, but I'll go ahead and correct this post. It should be Karin not Malin.

Sorry, I'm just trying to make things clear and simple. There's not much of that in this game, what with all the crazy death variations and events, so that last thing I wanted was my efforts to get lost in the rest of the mess. Hence why I stated exactly what my goal is, and what will happen.

Heck, I would even sacrifice myself today for the lynch to prove my goal and my agenda, but only if I'm guaranteed that everyone will listen to and follow what I have to say. I think people have forgotten who led the charge on Mary and are getting caught up in other places.

And what rhetoric are you speaking of? The only one I've made came after your comment.

Alizon Device wrote:That doesn't make them bad. I wanted to hear from someone BEFORE anyone voted. And I don't like Jennet's rhetoric. Hence, I chose poorly.

Jennet didn't disagree with me. Jennet voted without saying anything to anybody really. Ditto Babs. I disagreed with THEM. That's the difference. Does disagreeing with them make me bad?

No, and I don't think you're bad at all. I believe someone else would have been rezzed for sure if you were.

Is there a beforedeath?

I think you made a wise choice Alizon, as some of us may know some things.

You've been able to refute my arguments, Karin? You haven't addressed them even once, now or earlier in the game. I'm catching up on all the happenings since I died, so I'll have thoughts on other players here soon. Also, in regards to this comment.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:Finally, Yes, I put an eye on Maret even though she survived a NK. Don't you think baddie teams ever target within their group for distancing purposes? Her other behavior was suspicious to me. But I believe I have said since then that she has redeemed herself in my eyes.

I agree with this statement. That's also why I think you are bad, for voting Mary on the day she was lynched. After she seemingly cracked (posted all her crazyness) you happened in and dropped your vote on Mary for no reason.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:Mary's got my vote.

And that was your only post of the day, coming approximately 3 hours after (as Alizon clairified) Mary cracked. The way I see it is she was sacrificing herself since she knew she was guilty, and so the other baddies came in and piled their votes on the wagon. My plan was to make a case against you the very next day Karin, but you and your buddies didn't allow for it.



I put myself on the line by going against Mary on Day 5. I tried to lie low on Night 5, but the Death Eaters came after me anyway, so I paid for it as proven by Mary rubbing it in here. I'm fortunate enough to be back in here to continue playing, even if not for long, so I'm going to take advantage of my time and invest it on you Karin. I will do a reading of everything that's happened since I died and post my thoughts on those players. I do know that is important as well with there probably being 3 Death Eaters left (2 aside from Karin), and with everyone here wanting it, but my main goal is to have you lynched Karin.

Jane Southworth wrote:Alizon who are you thinking about voting for today and why?

Who are you thinking of voting for today and why?

Hey Alizon, why does Jane want my thoughts on you? Are you bad or something?

Jane Southworth wrote:

Jennet Bierley wrote:

Jane Southworth wrote:I will ask again. Jennet and Barbara, do you know why you've returned, are there any details of your return that we should know about? Barbara, do you know how you died in the first place? Do either of you have an opinion on Alizon, Malin, or any other witches? Do you have any thoughts on what's happened the past few days?

I know exactly why I have returned. I'm sure you could figure it out if you look at what's happened in recent parts of the game. Let's just say that I don't have long here (very much like Agnes), and I'm pressing as a result of that. Oh, and that's why I was pressing on Mary before, because I felt that my death was imminent.

As far as any opinions on Alizon, Malin, you, or other witches, I could formulate something I'm sure, but it would be far less concrete than my current thoughts on Karin. Why do you specifically point out Alizon or Malin? You got something on them?

Alizon Device wrote:

Malin Matsdotter wrote:

Alizon Device wrote:I just copied my old post, Malin. Here are two more names for you to color (or not):

Jennet Bierley
Barbara Kollerin

Typhoony more firstclass pitapat

What disappoints me most is that I had hoped Jennet would come back with a fresh perspective and share her ideas with us. She seemed very sensible before. But instead of talking to us, she voted Karin and only alluded to reasons she expressed pre-mortem.

I did the exact same thing against Mary. I voted as soon as the day began with a mediocre case and not only did Mary crack, but pretty much everyone followed suit leading to the the most unanimous lynch of the game. Not only did Mary flip as a Death Eater, but I was immediately killed by Voldemort the next night. I believe that it's not only because I focused on getting Mary lynched, but because Karin was my other suspect at the time. I was going to focus on her the next day, but I wasn't around to do so.

Jane Southworth wrote:RIP Merga. I was hoping we wouldn't lose you

Barbara, Jennet, have either of you even read the thread since you died? Its honestly way too early and frankly there are other things going on right now. In addition I'm really starting to get worried about how lynches are being manipulated and then you cast quick votes on yet another low poster. Why Karin and why now? I have my own suspicions about Karin but this comes literally out of nowhere, and at a very strange time in the game.

Do either of you know why you were returned to us? Barbara, do you know how or why you died? All we were told was "non-magical causes". What do both of you think of Alizon and Malin?

Like I said before, I've not really followed the game thread since I died, so yes and know.

Also, yes it may seem like my vote came out of nowhere, because well, I was dead until today.

Alizon Device wrote:Is it weird that after three days of Alizon / Malin votes, Karin is the most suspicious from both the resurrected? And no reasons were given?

I stated reasons before I died, I'll just have to revisit them, which I'll do tomorrow. I haven't followed too closely since I died, but I have noticed that you all (presumably) haven't lynched any Death Eaters since then.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:

Barbara Kollerin wrote:I have to agree about Karin, a readback just reads as bad to me.

Please post specific quotes that pinged you as you reread me and why they pinged you. Your suspicions seem to come out of nowhere.

@Jennet, same to you.

I'm usually the type of player to gives up when I am thought to be baddie and players are trying to lynch me. I am DONE being that player. If I am going to go, I am gonna go a kickin' and a screamin'. Y'all ain't got nuttin' on me

Ok, so you're telling us you're a Death Eater, but we just can't prove it?

Anne Redferne wrote:jennet and barbara do you have any insight to lay down upon us mortals?

Based on the goings-on here, I'm willing to vote for Karin now that I'm back on board.

Hi all, apparently I've been brought back to the land of the living. I'm looking forward to lynching some baddies with you. :-)

I'm still #2 in total posts.

Anne Redferne wrote:This is troubling news.D:

I know, what am I gonna do now?

I'll take gruesome death #1 because who wouldn't.

Success! And possibly their recruiter too.

And not only has she just voted, but they've consistently been bandwagon votes.

I can agree with you about Karin. I think I made a comment about her a little while back (Day 4 I believe) in that she has done nothing but vote. Though it seems to me that she is not the only one who's been quiet today.

You should check out Mary's voting record too, something I completely forgot to mention in my case.

Katharina Henot wrote:I agree with you on both counts Jannet.

I want - just for crossing t's and dotting i's sake at this point - because I can see the case - look at All of mary's posts back to back, tomorrow. I'm guessing I'll still have the same feels I have now, but ya know, leave no stone unturned and all that...

That's Jennet to you.

But yes take your time, just make it back in time to vote.

Jane Southworth wrote:I cannot believe people are still pushing the lynching of low posters after yesterday's debacle. Frankly, while a lot of good points have been made today, I find it odd that no one has tried to go through what went down yesterday with the Margaret Pearson lynch. There was a lot of guilt free behavior during that lynch and I think it's currently being swept under the rug. I'm also wondering why, if we are talking about low posters still, more has not been made of the case on Karin. Karin got 3 votes yesterday for only talking about the professors, then she missed the vote and never really explained why. Today, she is not really discussed at all, even though the vague idea of lynching a low poster is being tossed around. People bring up "let's lynch the low posters" without actually going through and considering specific suspects, then at the end of the day a lynchmob randomly forms around a baddie-approve low poster, and a student dies.

Could you point out real quick what went down with Margaret's lynch? Also, I'm glad you said something, but I don't wish to sweep it under the rug. I'm still watching people, but I have one objective today.