The Syndicate

Carmen Brightsun wrote:

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:I can't really say anymore than Deirdre could. So I won't. Kudos to whoever did steal your power last night, lol, since apparently somebody did. But it wasn't me.

My power has worked well for me thus far (and it has nothing to do with being a wordsmith). But I'm laughing at you because I know there was no word, so you could not have known what it was.

I may not be a good Mafia player (I'm not), but I like games.

Carmen Brightsun wrote:

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Back to the game, yes I question people because if I don't entirely trust them, I say so. But I don't rush to vote them. In fact, I try to be really sure before I do place a vote on them.

But if you're suspicious of me, then you just are. That's your right.

I will take what you say into consideration; You may well be right. For now, we agree that Carmen needs to go.

And I will not shatter the day silence again.

I did think Laine was suspect, but I would have called him for the other team, not this one. Perhaps my thought that Dallon was bad is wrong, or perhaps HE was on the Wicked team.

I feel Shand is being blendier than he needs to be. Euro as well; I had her pegged as a potential last teammate of Carmen if there was one, but numerically that is not possble, so perhaps she is on the Wicked team or an SK? There are very limited civs left, so after Carmen is gone we have some hard calls to make.

You are rotten to the core and I know it. I know why you shattered the silence. You stole Rumplestiltskin's power for one Night, didn't you? Cool secret power, I must say.

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:Since laine was a rumple role I would bet that rumple can't die until his teammates are dead. I think the best thing to do is have a silent day and lynch Carmen. Does anyone else have other thoughts?

We could try again, and I would go along with that, but it makes me nervous since we have tried so many times and failed. I hate to waste another lynch.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I was going to mention that Carmen hasn't voted but we aren't supposed to talk. Why are you (everyone)? I don't see the point in having a silent day previously if now people are talking, especially as people picked on me for saying three words (excluding proper nouns).

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Ah, well then my guess is that the "magic word" yesterday was insanified, and that Dierdre must have received a PM alerting her of that. If that is the case, then thank you. (Unless you are a very sneaky teamie of Rumpy - or even Rumpy himself - trying to be all trickstery. )

Yes, my only other small ping was going to be Laine as well. I had forgotten about the Mainchin vouch... but I'll look a bit more and see what I can see. I'm not sure we really need a secondary choice though, it's never helped us before. But I guess if the trick they have is a lynch switch rather than a vote manipulation, then a secondary choice could be helpful. Alright, I've talked myself into it. And with our new plan, there shouldn't be any vote manipulation, or at least not much.

I've been trying all day to figure out how someone would get a pm telling them what the magic word was. Do you think there is a role who gets to find out what the word is each day? Or was it a prize of some kind? I'm really feeling thick-headed today.

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote: You don't really seem to be giving any reasons to lean Izett, just saying her name as a potential candidate. Why not Lyle, who you were suspecting for some time? What has the new Lyle done that has made you so strongly change your tune? I hardly even notice he's playing. I would think your former suspicion of him would be more than a minor ping of Izett?

Let me be clear on this. I am not pinged by Izett. I merely said that I had no read on her and that she seemed blendy. Lyel has been similar as well, and I am open to him as a second choice as well. I wanted to bring up Izett however, because there has not been any discussion of her yet and I wanted to get people's thoughts. It seems now that she has a lot of defenders, which is fine.

I think Miyuki is acting very civ, and has been quite helpful. Eurolyn has had a post compulsion, as have I, Diedre was attempting to warn us. I read Orangesprite as very civ. Anchorette, I think, has made some useful contributions. That leaves Laine, who has already been talked about a bit, Shand, Izett and Lyel. Of those, Shand and Izett are the only ones who have not received significant scrutiny (since I talked about Lyel a lot earlier and no one seemed interested in it then) so I thought I would try to change that.

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Izett Cruelsinger wrote: Well now I'm confused. If you wouldn't be opposed to me as a second choice... and the point of the second choice is so that person dies if the first choice doesn't go through... doesn't that mean you aren't opposed to lynching me?

I don't WANT to lynch you. The only person I WANT to lynch right now is Carmen, because she's the only one I'm sure of. I suggested you as a second choice (which I don't think we need or will be relevant) because out of all the remaining people I have the least sense of whether you are good or not. So if we have to put someone as a second choice, I wouldn't be opposed to it being you, but I certainly wouldn't vote for you while Carmen lives. This is more of a process of elimination than anything else. Whom would you suggest for the second choice? I'm interested to hear everyone's opinions.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Triple post before I'm off to bed-

Question for Orangesprite, you were very much against voting Carmen after you replaced in, but now you are in favor of voting her. Has something happened to change your mind?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:I posted what I did for a reason. I'm just waiting for a reply from the hostesses before elaborating.

That sounds unusual. I hope it won't take long for the hosts to answer, because its weird enough that 1 person got some kind of posting challenge in the middle of day. You have roused my curiousity.

Looking at what she posted specifically I get some ideas on why she may have posted and I doubt it was a challenge of any sort.

Care to discuss, while its night?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:I posted what I did for a reason. I'm just waiting for a reply from the hostesses before elaborating.

That sounds unusual. I hope it won't take long for the hosts to answer, because its weird enough that 1 person got some kind of posting challenge in the middle of day. You have roused my curiousity.

Izett Cruelsinger wrote:I'm not sure about the final nail, my Spritely friend, but that would be welcome news indeed! Alas, I've no spreadsheet to speak of during this game.


As for hiding from the two nefarious characters in question, I'm voting the third option. (On the other side of the curtains.) In my experience, the other 2 locations are where the nefarious characters themselves may, in fact, lie in wait for hapless children.

Fane Winebattle wrote:Oh, and I'm vote for Sprite. Orangesprite! Yum!

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Yolo no consequences.

Roxy wrote:Well I have let Bea and the ToeSock know what is happening now it's your turn. <3

The crew working on my power outage has stopped trying to fix it b/c of wind and more storms coming.
Idk when it will be back (hopefully tomorrow) but it will deffo not be today.

I am so happy I have such an awesome co-host that she can take care of everything. And keep to our time schedule.

I appreciate all of your patience as you may or may not know I do like to keep the post and poll times relatively close. So I am truly sorry to make you wait especially during a night phase.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:well spoken Grut. The genie is recommending something that has already been attempted, without success.

I can't express how much I hate being called Grutfud. But thanks.

Orangesprite sounds like a softdrink how about Fuddy?

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:well spoken Grut. The genie is recommending something that has already been attempted, without success.

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I do see what you're getting at Rhinfrew, but anyone who kills at night is going to kill regardless of conversation. I'm all for nightly conversation even in regular games.

But we are each entitled to view it as we choose.

Are you still of the opinion that Carmen is likely a townie? Did you happen to notice the other 2 or 3 players who were open to using a code of some type? If so, do you agree with them?

Perhaps my proposal wasn't as clear as I had intended it. How ironic.

What I was getting at was that things happen at Night (kills, visions, etc.) that may need to be discussed during the Day.

The bottom line is this: We don't need a special code to circumvent anything. We already have one. The common tongue is diverse enough that with creativity and thriftiness, we can get our points across to one another using as few clear words as we can.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:Well to be fair I don't think "shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh" is either thinking, nor out of the box.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:I didn't say create the code in the thread.

What I said ( maybe not clearly ) was

1. Everyone decide on a method of code and a list of words to code (for the sake of this example, shifting letters in words)
2. ONE person shifts the letters randomly on the code list.
3. RIGHT before the night post, the new code is posted.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:No Shand I don't think there is anything at all left to discuss. We should probably not even post for the rest of tonight, really.

I mean sure the whole point of the game is to post and talk and discuss suspects, and I mean, sure Roxy and Bea have been working super hard on the game and basically killing discussion for 48 whole hours is sort of defeating the point of the game and throwing it in the hosts faces, but, you know, Rumplestiltskin!

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:1. Gobnait, a lie detector, has been gunning for you pretty much all game.
2. What are your thoughts on Carmen? Would you be willing to put a lynch vote on her tomorrow?
3. As far as I remember, you were one of the three players who voted Gobnait yesterday. Considering the lynch divert, wouldn't it be reasonable for the town to assume that you are one of the Rumpel gang, and therefore had to switch only four votes to get a majority?

1. I can't deny that, but I can't think of anything I've said that would be a lie big enough to warrant constant aggression.
2. I would put a vote on her, as I'm convinced at this point she's part of the party that set me up.
3. I made a huge case on Gobnait, and I believe it would have been a dick move not to vote for her, given the case I presented. It would have made me look 100% more suspicious if I voted for Carmen instead of going with the case I myself presented, and I'm sorry but I'm not the sort of player to do something underhanded like that.

Linki - It's cowardly to limit discussion to one day just because you're afraid Rumplestiltskin will have free run if you actually play the game and discuss things for 48 hours.

There is a difference between giving up and being clever. Being clever is using words that don't make sense, or devising a code that changes every night so it's impossible for Rumple to steal votes. Clever is not "You know what lets just shut up and vote."

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:Another thought--Gobnait was the Princess and the Pea, meaning he was the lie detector. And he was pretty vehement that Queran was bad. I don't think we should discount that.

I still do not feel good about Carmen and do not feel she is civvie, but knowing who Gobnait was, I think we should consider his posts carefully.

This ^^ FTW! About Queran at least.

I will silently vote, and probably for Queran, if we want a second party with a few votes to be certain. If we insist on conformity, I will vote for Carmen, but would much rather vote Queran.

By the way, I think those are your ears, not a hat. And until you pointed out that you are a gremlin, I thought you were a mushroom

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

Ameerah Frolicstag wrote:Another thought--Gobnait was the Princess and the Pea, meaning he was the lie detector. And he was pretty vehement that Queran was bad. I don't think we should discount that.

I still do not feel good about Carmen and do not feel she is civvie, but knowing who Gobnait was, I think we should consider his posts carefully.

This ^^ FTW! About Queran at least.

I will silently vote, and probably for Queran, if we want a second party with a few votes to be certain. If we insist on conformity, I will vote for Carmen, but would much rather vote Queran.

Dallon Redwarlock wrote:^A Carmen vote is a good option. At least then we would know one way or another. Is she good or bad. But.........I fear she wil be good. But we have to know don't we?

Fane Winebattle wrote:We are doing terribly so far, so I think a change of tactics is indeed in order. Thanks to Shand for his wise words about only speaking at night. I think we should definitely do that.

I know that many disagree, but I also think it is imperative that we try to be as unanimous as possible for the lynch votes to lessen the odds of stealing. Let's figure out who we want to lynch TONIGHT and all stick with it. Do people think the Gobnait lynch implicates Queran strongly? I am not wholly convinced of that, but want to hear what others have to say. Diedre makes an interesting observation about Carmen being possible unlynchable, but my gut tells me that this was still a Rumpy protection. He would only have needed to move four votes. So I would be good for another shot at Carmen if people agree. Most important, though, is that we work together on this and not let the baddies sow confusion and doubt so that we have scattered votes all over the place.

BTW, I voted Grimm's because, as others have said, they are dark, but also because of the sheer absurdity and lack of moralizing in so many of them,like the one about anthropomorphic sausages.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:That vote doesn't make any sense, if Carmen was trying to save herself (if she was bad) wouldn't it make more sense for her to put a vote on someone who already has one (i.e Gobnait?) This is the sort of thing that is making it very hard for me to pin down what you're playing at Carmen. You're really all over the place recently.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I'm going to try not to quote today, since we don't know if magic words count when used in quotes, but I will say this to Carmen. Thank you, I do understand what you're saying about not wanting to reveal who you are in rl. But I have to say, a simple 'I did not role hint' would have been nice. And I read back, you had ample opportunity to say that at some point.

This is not good.

Hi. can you expand a little on what you are getting at with Carmen? Are you suggesting you have reason to believe she is not who she says claimed/didn't claim she is? And, from my read, it didn't appear she was claiming Cinderella at all if that is what you were thinking. Was it?

If you just recently had to read the entire thread, then I will cut you some slack there. Are you one of the replacements?

If not, I wonder how you missed all the talk on Carmen. Starting with Bronwyn and someone else (forgot who) pointing out that she made a quick catch on day 1, regarding someone who voted for someone not at the correct table, but then acted like she wasn't involved in the game at all, couldn't keep up, etc. It was pointed out because most everyone was still having trouble just remembering all the names, let alone which table to vote for.

However, she managed to continue sounding sufficiently confused during the next day and night, enough to create doubt in a few players. At least 2 of us commented that she sounded like she could be new. I noticed what could have been role hints, not claims, and posted as much as I could about them, to get attention to it and get feedback from other players. I don't want to lynch someone who may be new, and trying to be found by her prince, but at the same time, I don't want to allow a baddie to hoodwink anyone.

She survived 2 lynches, and although, a few people made posts about it being a deflection of some kind, it could very easily have been Rumpel's team behind that.

Now, her posts suddenly sound like a different person.

Queran Gloomsoul wrote:The only one I can think of, Grutfud, is her initial panic after I brought her up as a suspect drove her to make the flawed case, and after that fell apart, she thought any wiff of backing entirely off would bring suspicion onto her.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:Actually, Carmen, in my catch up read the role hints were the only thing that gave me the benefit of the doubt about you.

No role hint means no chance you are a good character to my way of thinking.

Fane Winebattle wrote:Thanks for that imense post, Queran. You have been most helpful. I will go through it and give it some time to sink in before voting, for sure.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I'm going to try not to quote today, since we don't know if magic words count when used in quotes, but I will say this to Carmen. Thank you, I do understand what you're saying about not wanting to reveal who you are in rl. But I have to say, a simple 'I did not role hint' would have been nice. And I read back, you had ample opportunity to say that at some point.

This is not good.

Fane Winebattle wrote:Welcome back Grutfud! Your powers of napping are impressive. Any reason why we shouldn't lynch you?