The Syndicate

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Daisy = Euro. K.

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Spacedaisy wrote:It does not matter. The fall out of this isn't worth it to me. I will take myself out of the game and you can have your win without any fight at all. Sorry Wickeds.

OH please don't make this seem like I"m the one who wasn't playing. I was perfectly content to play this game out. There was plenty of fight ahead for us. By outting yourselves you were the one who wanted a win without a fight .

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Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:If the hostesses decree that we have violated the rules in any way, I will of course defer to their judgment, but I don't see anything lame or unfair about the the strategy Eurolyn proposed. On the contrary, I think it was an inventive way around certain defeat. I'm sorry you are taking this so hard. We may well still lose, but this was or only hope, and if we do lose I will be happy knowing we did everything we could.
So I guess you will just ignore my last post where I answered you and said if we all walked into a new game and announced our roles, that would be ok too? there's no rule in mafia that roles are secret?
Your example is ridiculous because it is nothing like what has happened here. I did not out me, you did. You have been clearly dumping info in the thread because at this point you all know who each other are. I did not out myself, I simply acknowledged. This is not Day 1 where no one knows each other. It was not a sour grapes move, contrary to what you think. It was a strategic decision made to have some fun and go down with a fight. I am sorry I have so upset you. I have sent a PM to the hostesses explaining myself and if they deem what I did as wrong then I will move to correct it in the only way I see possible. Until I hear back I will continue playing but will refrain from communicating anything further with the Wickeds, though it does not matter now. I think we have communicated all that was needed to form our alliance already.

I said I thought you were bad. I did not say I knew it I did not say I had info. You said you were bad. You outted yourself.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:If the hostesses decree that we have violated the rules in any way, I will of course defer to their judgment, but I don't see anything lame or unfair about the the strategy Eurolyn proposed. On the contrary, I think it was an inventive way around certain defeat. I'm sorry you are taking this so hard. We may well still lose, but this was or only hope, and if we do lose I will be happy knowing we did everything we could.

So I guess you will just ignore my last post where I answered you and said if we all walked into a new game and announced our roles, that would be ok too? there's no rule in mafia that roles are secret?

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Fane Winebattle wrote:If you were so concerned with keeping the roles secret, why were you only to happy to call out baddies on whom you had info? You're allowed to out baddies, but we're not?

It's not sour grapes in the least, it's called strategy. It was plain that the civvies knew all the remaining roles and outnumbered us, so we had two choices, either roll over and allow ourselvs to die, or keep fighting to win. Explain what rule was broken.

This is just a silly thing to say.

Ok next game. Day 0, I'll just come in and first post I'll announce my role. Let's see how the host feels about it.

Sorry I annoyed you so much because I knew you were bad. But you are and I figured it out. Face it and the way you decided to counter that was lame. You know that's true. You had more than a chance to still win, your team is still intact for god's sake and we still were unsure who each other were.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:If you were so concerned with keeping the roles secret, why were you only to happy to call out baddies on whom you had info? You're allowed to out baddies, but we're not?

It's not sour grapes in the least, it's called strategy. It was plain that the civvies knew all the remaining roles and outnumbered us, so we had two choices, either roll over and allow ourselvs to die, or keep fighting to win. Explain what rule was broken.

This is just a silly thing to say.

Ok next game. Day 0, I'll just come in and first post I'll announce my role. Let's see how the host feels about it.

Sorry I annoyed you so much because I knew you were bad. But you are and I figured it out. Face it and the way you decided to counter that was lame. You know that's true. You had more than a chance to still win, your team is still intact for god's sake and we still were unsure who each other were.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:If you were so concerned with keeping the roles secret, why were you only to happy to call out baddies on whom you had info? You're allowed to out baddies, but we're not?

It's not sour grapes in the least, it's called strategy. It was plain that the civvies knew all the remaining roles and outnumbered us, so we had two choices, either roll over and allow ourselvs to die, or keep fighting to win. Explain what rule was broken.

Who said I have info? You were obvious. So is Lyle. I have little to no info on you and none on Lyle. It's called right.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:
Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Anyone except one of us. I do not know who has what role right now as far as the civs go, but obviously getting rid of the ability to block would be great, but I'm clue free there. I will not go after any of you, you do not go after me until the civs are sufficiently depleted and you can win. You should know, I cannot be night killed so don't waste a kill on me in case you are considering betraying our alliance. My kill will be blocked each night I am sure but perhaps you all can manage to do some damage on that front. I still have some tricks up my sleeve to help out. The only important thing is that we do not go after each other first. Numbers are key here.
Well, I nominate Orangesprite then, as he has been howling for my blood for days and it's starting to annoy me.
I annoyed you by playing fairly? I knew you were bad through game machanics and called you out? If you need to win so badly that this is how you need to do it, congrats.

Wear that banner with pride.
I don't have any problem with how you've played the game, but I fail to see why it's "unfair" for me to form an allieance with Euro rather than meekly allow ourselves to be voted off.

I find it hard to believe that if you were a civ, had no btsc and worked to get in a position that the civs had here, just to have the sour grapes baddies out themselves because they got caught you'd be a little less than pleased. In all mafia games, the roles are supposed to be secret. Pretending that is not so is just silly and you are just saying it to advance your position so you can win a game, which you may have won fairly anyway.

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*votes Fane*

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Fane Winebattle wrote:
Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Anyone except one of us. I do not know who has what role right now as far as the civs go, but obviously getting rid of the ability to block would be great, but I'm clue free there. I will not go after any of you, you do not go after me until the civs are sufficiently depleted and you can win. You should know, I cannot be night killed so don't waste a kill on me in case you are considering betraying our alliance. My kill will be blocked each night I am sure but perhaps you all can manage to do some damage on that front. I still have some tricks up my sleeve to help out. The only important thing is that we do not go after each other first. Numbers are key here.
Well, I nominate Orangesprite then, as he has been howling for my blood for days and it's starting to annoy me.

I annoyed you by playing fairly? I knew you were bad through game machanics and called you out? If you need to win so badly that this is how you need to do it, congrats.

Wear that banner with pride.

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I think fane. It has to be a wicked.

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Ill keep playing but that's some serious sour grapes euro. Civs plot in thread bc that the only way we can. Lame.

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Grutfud, are we lynching euro or fane?

We have to try for a wicked for the numbers.

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:You're confusing me a little. I believe Shand was a sk. You agree?
I believe Shand had his power stolen one night. Or he may have stolen mine. Or someone stole mine. I don't know, one of those. That's all I know. Are you saying the wicked team killed an so last night?

No... I don't know how to say more in the thread.

I do believe Shand was euros partner.

And fane is wicked. I think he tried to end t he day early and lynch Shand to get some cred. But he failed.

I think the wicked power was stolen last night and used to kill a sk.

Linki... Now you see m?

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You're confusing me a little. I believe Shand was a sk. You agree?

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Grutfud, do you think fane is lynchable? I have doubts about that.

I doubt he has much more up his sleeve but I'd be ok going Lyle first. I just think it needs to be a wicked member. I can't imagine a baddie team member who can't be lynched. I think he just came equipped with protects.

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Got it.

I'm guessing there's some sort of dead day going on today. I wonder if they can vote. If so I hope more civs show up!

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:
Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I get that rhinfrew is trying to tell us something. Something that has been considered....
But I also hope this is something you're allowed to do?
Get it together. See what's happening.
So you think Grutfud is a danger ?

M, we are at a crucial point here. I hope you will listen to your gut and not a scorned dead baddie. You asked me to tell you something in the thread to gain trust and I did. I really hope you trust me because one wrong move now and we are toast.

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Bac Wunderelin wrote:
Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:What do you guys think of the night result?
I can't stand it, I know you planned it

I'm gonna set it straight, this Watergate

Bac!

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Are you guys supposed to be rhyming?

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I'd also like to hear some more from dierdre.

And anchorete mentioned the possibility of a recruit. Grutfud, what do think of that possibility?

I don't think I put much faith in that theory. If there ever was one, I don't think that person is still amongst us.

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Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:What do you guys think of the night result?
I can't stand it, I know you planned it

How ya doing dead boy?

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:Alright. I think it's might important that ms. Euro is blocked this evening.
Now this is one I can agree with. And there is another for the next night, but that can wait. So why do we want to put fane and lyel ahead of euro and the other for lynching purposes?

I am pretty sure there three of the wickets alive. Based on the win conditions just posted if we need them not to out number us. I believe there to be four civs remaining. We all know fane and Lyle need to go makes sense to take one we know yes?

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*mighty

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Alright. I think it's might important that ms. Euro is blocked this evening.

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Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Based on the win conditions, someone outnumbers someone.

I'm going to have a detailed weather report ready very soon, just 'fair' warning to all thieves in the night.

Well it does seem that something like that is happening. It also seems as though that person may just know who the wicked are and who the sks are for that matter, wouldn't it? And that being the case, that stands to reason that person may just be a civ now doesn't it?

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Based on the win conditions we need to lynch a wicked team person today. Fane or Lyle?

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What do you guys think of the night result?

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Fane Winebattle wrote:I'm guilty because I'm pulling out all the stops to kill a bad guy, Izett? You'll be sorry when Shand and his gang kill off the rest of you. Sadly, it looks like I won't be around to say I told you so.

Well at least now its confirmed he isn't on your team at the very least, thanks for that!

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I can't be certain but when I voted the poll came down within minutes of my vote so I assume the end day message had been sent by then.

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Ok I'm home now. When I came in the poll was up and fane had voted Shand. I voted for fane quick but the poll went up right after that. I assume he has a day end early power or something.

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Fane voted shand

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Fane Winebattle wrote:There's been a lot of "whatever anyone else wants" from Miyuki lately. Just saying.

Thanks.

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I thought it would make sense to try to get Fane first. Now I dont think it matters at all seeing as he had a stop. Fane or Lyle, in whichever order works for me. I have a sneaking suspicion that Fane is more dangerous, but if group consensus is Lyle first, so be it.

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A Princess.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:Yay I'm still alive! Thank goodness for potions, eh?

You guys, seriously. I'm not bad. I hope I can make you see that before the end of the next day period.

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Jesus the baddies are seriously powerful in this game.

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Wow, there sure is a lot of surety going around here lately.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:
Izett Cruelsinger wrote:Ok, finished a few more rereads. Fane gives me the willies. I'll say that. It would not shock me if s/he were on one of the remaining baddie teams.

Orangesprite I could really go either way on. There is nothing glaringly obviously baddie there that I saw, and there was definitely some helpful posts. For now, I'm ok there.
Izett, I have been sticking up for your civvieness for some time now. I would urge you not to blindly trust Orangesprite as everyone else seems to be doing. I don't know what she thinks she knows, but info can be bad and people can be good liars.

Anyway, I am not going to be around this afternoon, so I will go ahead and vote. I'm voting Shand. I am convinced that he is bad, and if others will vote with me, I'm confident they will see my suspicions confirmed.

Well I think this is not a good idea. I'm not certain that Shand is good, but I'm far more confident that Fane is bad. And I believe that today is a good day to lynch him.

I'm going to go ahead and vote Fane. Its the right thing to do.

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Shand Azureye wrote:
Fane Winebattle wrote:It is possible that I am wrong. That is always possible. But as far as I know, the town doesn't have BTSC or any real way of knowing your alliance. I know I don't. So this seems less likely to me than the three wickeds sticking up for you while a few townies have just been shy about giving opinions in general.
So three wickeds are sticking up for me, and what does that make me then, the fourth wicked?

He stopped making sense days ago.

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I don't believe Shand is wicked.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:
Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I don't think we should necessarily discount what carmen said completely but we also shouldn't pit all our faith in rumplestiltskin. That being said. I think we should lynch fane.
Hold up a second. I don't like this bandwagon that's forming against me. First Grutfud lays out a perfectly logical case for Lyel's resurrection being a sign of his baddieness, and then all of a sudden he wants to lynch me with no explanation?

I'm sorry, but this seems like a set up to me. There is, in my view, substantial evidence that several other players might be bad, but just because Grutfud says so everyone is willing to hop aboard a Fane lynch? This makes no sense to me, and I hope others will not be suckered into what is likely a baddie bandwagon against me.

Last day period I asked you if you still wanted to lynch Lyle and you hemmed and hawed something awful. You danced around my question and ended with yea how about that Shand and, was it Izett? Made me do a reread. I feel most sure that today's the day to lynch you.

He was your suspect early on when he was not posting AT ALL. Right? But then when he woke up (was replaced) you let him off the hook. However his behavior didnt really change but you couldn't explain why you let go of it? What was up there? Distancing? Recruiting? Then no mention of substance when he was rezzed? Something is rotten in the state of Denmark.

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I don't think we should necessarily discount what carmen said completely but we also shouldn't pit all our faith in rumplestiltskin. That being said. I think we should lynch fane.

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I'm reading dierdre as civ. also miyuki. I'm stuck on my I pad right now but my opinion is that fane should go first. Ill elaborate more soon.

Whoa. Massive linki

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Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:I believe the night should be over so I feel a bit safer talking right now. I think it is interesting that three people have been bringing me up all at the same time. One of which was rezzed in what I would bet was likely an attempt to rebalance for a team after a host mistake. Another of which has already had what appeared to be a slip up that may have indicated his having BTSC which I have been talking about from the start. I doubt these three talking about me now at the same time are a coincidence. It just confirms to me what I have already suspected. How am I blendy when all along I have been talking about Fane when no one else has? How is it blendy that I have gone along with the Carmen lynch because I believed her to be on Rumple's team? I think you need to take a look at those who are coming after me and ask yourself why now all of a sudden are three people coming at me at once? I will likely be voting for Fane in the next lynch poll because I believe wholeheartedly that he is bad.

I think that rezz is as dirty as a $3 wh...well I think its filthy. Why would anyone rezz Lyle unless he was bad? I can't think of any good reason. I have no idea which team he is one but I'd sure bet he's on one of them.

You were brave to say it before the post went up. I was itching to do it, but I'm a coward.

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I think we would have been notified if they were eliminated. Unless I missed that too...

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My mafia mentor taught me never to take something unknown. So I'm trashing it.

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Fane Winebattle wrote:Hooray! BIH Carmen. Now I guess we just have to find the Wicked Ones, and maybe Snow White and Rose Red. I'm unsure if we can win with them or not.

Interesting point I hadn't thought of regarding sw and rr win conditions. But if they are sks most likely they are last men standing...

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Yay! But does that mean her team was not eliminated?

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