The Syndicate

Julinook

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 5:27 pm
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:13 pm
Otto Mann wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:25 am This is correct. Pure meta read, definitely town core but I can't lock that because he's a tricky bastard but I'm willing to trust him for now.
This is pretty ballsy to come from scum and IME wolf teams are usually scared to tie themselves to each other like that. Plus I have independent townreads on these two so I'm willing to just trust that Otto and Krusty are V/V.
I don't really get the thought progression in this post at all.

You think Otto is town because he made a read that him as a wolf wouldn't make on Krusty as his wolf partner???

Yes.

I think it's very rare for scum teams to just waltz into a sockpuppet game and go "I know who <teammate> is and I have meta on them being town, and I'm willing to town core them immediately based on it".

Julinook

I agree that Bart is probably Michelle based on posting pattern and I think their progression on Marge and myself is a towntell. I've played one game with Michelle and spectated her a couple of times and she tends to have a slightly defensive playstyle as town where she automatically gets suspicious of anyone who puts pressure on her, and then evaluates their alignment after some period of pressure to figure out if they were wolves trying to get a misexe or had a genuine belief in her wolfiness. It's just how she solves the game, and the way she approached both Marge and my initial scumreads of her fits that pattern.

Julinook

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:26 am Do you not think it is time to start getting into that territory and reassess? There are 3 wolves alive. I feel like you've been going at the game one target at a time each phase. I don't think it's inherently a bad thing especially if someone is confident in their reads, but you don't give off that vibe. And it also stands in stark contrast with your earlier assessment on the state of the game.

Okay, I saw this bandied about a bit as a discussion point. I think I did reassess on a bunch of people. A few of my read movements (which you can track if you go through my ISO and see) - I had Gramps as scum early on for a bad entrance and interaction with Flanders, but he's been trending up over the course of D2 and D3. I snap read Lisa as town for her first post, but I suspect her now. I had my doubts about Hugh at first but now he's a confident townread.

When I reassess the game it doesn't mean that I flip all my reads, throw out my towncore and start sucking up to the people I used to scumread. It just means that - I look at the game afresh, with an eye to shaking off possible confbias and viewing past posts with more knowledge of people's alignments.

Julinook

I'm around, midway reading through all the stuff I missed. I see Marge has quoted me like five times so I'll respond to that - if there's any other pressing questions drop me an @ and I'll get back to you.

Julinook

You mentioned your POE changing based on the idea of wanting to exe within the active people so I thought I'd check in and see what it's updated to be.

Re: the "five person POE" - I'm not even going to pretend I have a 5 person POE that isn't blind guesswork. That POE size is reached by figuring out how many exes we have. The idea is that if all three scum are in the POE then we can win by exeing only within it. But I don't have a strong enough grasp on the game to be able to give you a 5 person bucket with all three scum in it. I'm definitely not going to pretend like I have any idea at all who's the right exe two or three days down the road.

Grumple and yourself are the best stab I have for wolves in the active players. If it's Otto, Bart, Burns or Marge then they've outplayed me since I can't picture myself voting there.

Julinook

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:43 pm Sorry for dipping, I've had an awful day and then a sudden work opportunity fell into my lap just an hour ago, so tomorrow'll be spent testing for that and hoping I get it. My promise of ISOs is probably not one going to be met, but I'm trying to follow along.

I agree with the sentiment that we should probably look within the more active and responsive posters rather than just eliminating from the bottom as we've been doing. "Bad" play is not predictive in this game it seems.

I like that new!Skinner is aggro and trying to shake things up. I've subbed once and I hated it. Felt like I was constantly fighting against the previous slot holder, and missing the game up to that point puts you behind even if you do a catch-up read. So immediately coming out swinging is nice. Doesn't impact my position on voting since I was already on "never chop Skinner until his survival is suspicious." But for the game state I like the new him.

I feel like I don't know what any of your reads are. What is your POE like today?

Julinook

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 7:24 pm Fun fact, I've been looking for 112. She's tricky af and for a little while I was thinking she might be Lisa, but theres been some spelling and grammar errors which are definitely not 112 even though the post frequency and some meta stuff kinda lines up with Lisa.
I fear 112 might actually be Grumple, and if she is in fact Grumple I'd scum read that slot so hard.

I've only played with 112 once - she was scum and she was mostly quiet and got exed pretty much on consensus D1 for doing nothing. But anti-spewed well enough to let her teammates win the game after. That hasn't matched up super well with what Grumple's been doing this game. What makes you scumread Grumple if Grumple is 112?

Julinook

Principal Skinner wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:53 pm [VOTE: Allison Taylor] aubergine please report to the principal's office to discuss a possible forged permission slip signature and this:

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:22 pm CBG's responses have really irked me. I think he's going for a TWTBAW strategy. He's trying to give off an aura of not giving a fuck but his overly flippant attitude feels OTT. I think he's just scum here, maybe even trying his best to anti-spew so as to deny us associative reads.

Bart is probably town here as well. Marge not appearing today has me slightly concerned but I had her as strong town yesterday and I still trust her.

I think I'm on Bart, Grumple, Otto, Hugh, Krusty, Marge, Burns and Skinner as town.

POE is Lisa, Homer, CBG.

I doubt the game is as easy as all three of them being scum but I would be pretty unsurprised if there was 2 scum in that pool. My townreads all look good to me and I'd like to think my reads are good enough that there aren't 2 or more wolves slipping into my town list.
That last line sounds like you know you are wrong.

I'm not sure why you think that but I was just giving my take on the game along with a quick description of how confident I am in my view.

Julinook

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:53 pm Ok, well Krusty didn't swear at or insult me for going back on him a bit. He probably knows I was looking for him to lash out, but he's still town sided for me. For now.
So if I remove the tinfoil paranoid world of Burns and Jass as w/w or w/v and just treat them as town, because they do both read as town to me, my leans go as follows -

Town-
Allison
Burns
Jass
Krusty
Skinner sub

Probably town
Bart

PoE-
Marge
Grumple
Gramps
Lisa

This is about where I'm at, except I have Marge as probably town. The major concern that I had with her which was her drop off has been largely alleviated now that she's picking up steam.

Julinook

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:39 pm
Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:04 pm the problem I have with Burns is that he's the one player that I often misread as a town, most likely because of play style differences or stuff, i dunno

but fmpov he's only pushed villagers and has the actives cleared for ~no reason. also, his PoE looks like it's all villagers too.

I just don't see why he's so locked on in the other reads because as far as I'm aware he has no reasons to town read Alison, Bart, Otto, Hugh

unless I'm missing stuff

and idgi, after seeing like 4 town flips in lurkers, you're gonna double down on the lhf PoE instead of questioning the actives that you, again, have apparently no reason to clear?

wat
I explained this before...without something to go on I could tinfoil anyone about equally well into deep wolf plausibility. Bart...Allison...Hugh...Krusty...Otto...Grampa...any one of them could be a deep wolf. It's starting to look likely that maybe two of them are deep wolves. But I have nothing to sort them with. Like you said about me...all they have done is chop towns.

If the rand screwed us over and gave us three wolves that could just go deep and shake the thread from start to finish and not give us any sign...well, we're fucked tbh. But the odds of that happening are NEVER good. The wolf team almost always has that weak link that you can flip and turn into threads you can pull.

I honestly think the best place to look for those threads is Lisa. Yeah, CBG was a good chop, but I was holding Lisa in the running on sheer will power...until I wasn't. It's not like she's that much townier than straight out lolcatting CBG...so why was it so hard to even start a counterwagon?

I want to townread most of this post (especially the bits about trying to find the loose thread of the scum team, since that's something I do a lot as town) but the player salad in the first paragraph is weird. Like why is Grampa or Krusty or Hugh deepwolves? They've been under reasonably large amounts of suspicion this game. Grampa was nearly exed EoD1. Are you just throwing around random names?

Julinook

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:58 pm
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:56 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:45 pm @Allison Taylor You asked me earlier about Krusty, what are your thoughts on him?
I gave some thoughts on him earlier. I think his entrance into D3 was pretty townie. I think him wailing on Skinner is not as scummy as some have made it out to be - eg. Burns is doing the same, and it's not like wolf Krusty gets anywhere trying to push a Skinner misexe. I liked his posts D1 and D2 - generally, his tone has been good and his reads have been thoughtful. If he has an agenda I don't see it. The one thing that gives me pause about him is Otto starting to have serious doubts about him - Otto knows him from offsite and they have enough history together to give confident meta takes on each other. But if we set the Otto stuff aside, I think Krusty has actually been pretty town.
Huh I'm in a different world there, I wouldn't call what I saw thoughtful. I'll see where I end up after going over him in isolation. What's your PoE like?

My POE right now is like Lisa and Grampa. Beyond that is starting to get into the territory of people I have active reason to trust. Probably Grumple, since I liked him D1 but haven't really seen anything that has stood out to me as particularly impressive afterwards.

Julinook

I'm around. Will be catching up with the thread shortly.

Julinook

I've been rolling around Marge's theory that Burns is Tim. I think it fits? At least the aggressive stance, the threats and pressure against people trying to roll on by him, and the general confidence/towniness in his tone all match up with what I've seen from Tim. I've never played with scum Tim but I expect he has a good scum game based on what I've heard from others. If Burns is Tim, then I will say that I think it's a slight towntell (or at least very firmly within his townrange) for him to cast doubt on the Homer/Marge meta reading Bart thing - I remember he did something very similar in Mafia and Werewolves, and again in Radiohead. He was wrong both times though

But I don't want to go too far in meta reading Burns like that if he turns out to be not-Tim. I have my suspicions on a couple of other players' identities as well but I'll probably keep them to myself until I have a read to share based on meta.

Julinook

Marge Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:03 pm
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:59 pm @Marge Simpson Where are you at apart from your scumread on Burns? I'd specifically like your take on Lisa, since I don't think you've mentioned her much/at all and she's my top suspect for today. You named Bart and Otto as two people you trusted alongside Homer - have those reads changed at all and/or have you added anyone to your towncore?
Again, briefly skimmed through D2, I’ll probably do multi-isos so I know where I’m at.

I don’t think I have any reasons to doubt Bart and Otto here.

Also, not sure if you were subconsciously looking for something on me / Lisa, but I actually haven’t talked about anyone outside of my town core + Burns and Gramps for a bit.

I’m gonna attempt to do a few reads in a few mins, gonna read Lisa, Krusty, Grumple or the green creature whatever their name is.

I was consciously looking for something on you/Lisa lol. She's my top suspect, you're one of my townreads, and I want to know your thoughts. You had a good read on Homer and I suspect you are correct on Bart and Otto as well (since I townread both currently), and if you have a strong opinion on Lisa I want to hear it.

Julinook

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:34 pm I'm looking at Jass and Burns as a w/v or w/w but can't pick anything from their ISO that really screams wolf with exception of Jass's death by paperwork factor and my early to and fro with Burns which was only buried by the v/v read from Allison.

Unless I am being severely outplayed I don't think, Hugh and Burns are ever W/W here given their interactions. For them to be W/W, both of them would have to have fooled me individually, and then decided to engage in a completely unecessary bus complete with 500 page novellas scrutinizing the other's ISO. I don't think that's likely at all.

Julinook

[mention]Marge Simpson[/mention] Where are you at apart from your scumread on Burns? I'd specifically like your take on Lisa, since I don't think you've mentioned her much/at all and she's my top suspect for today. You named Bart and Otto as two people you trusted alongside Homer - have those reads changed at all and/or have you added anyone to your towncore?

Julinook

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:45 pm @Allison Taylor You asked me earlier about Krusty, what are your thoughts on him?

I gave some thoughts on him earlier. I think his entrance into D3 was pretty townie. I think him wailing on Skinner is not as scummy as some have made it out to be - eg. Burns is doing the same, and it's not like wolf Krusty gets anywhere trying to push a Skinner misexe. I liked his posts D1 and D2 - generally, his tone has been good and his reads have been thoughtful. If he has an agenda I don't see it. The one thing that gives me pause about him is Otto starting to have serious doubts about him - Otto knows him from offsite and they have enough history together to give confident meta takes on each other. But if we set the Otto stuff aside, I think Krusty has actually been pretty town.

Julinook

Oops. Please don't modkill me Sloonei.

It was kinda obvious anyway but I feel bad for internally going "wow, why would you do that" at Mac's claim and then slipping myself.

Julinook

The way Hugh invoked the Grasslands WIFOM kill is probably a towntell if I'm correct about who he is. If I'm wrong then it doesn't mean anything lol. But Grasslands spec chat only had a few people in it so he has to be either one of them or one of the people in the playerlist, and his posting style rules out quite a few people on that list (eg. dunya, tutuu, nanook).

Julinook

Marge gloating about correctly townreading Homer is pretty townie I think. As much as I was annoyed with Krusty for his scumread on me I think it's probably >rand town in that he was pretty keyed up/unhappy with the gamestate and aggro towards people he perceived as wolf, where I think wolves would take a softer approach towards the game right now with a bad start for town and a couple of players with low activity. Burns looks good for similar reasons.

Lisa's posts today have been pretty meh. I don't like that her only post D3 is a self-defense post complaining about being scumread rather than offering any takes of her own. [VOTE: Lisa] aubergine

Julinook

I'm awake and caught up. Not super sure what to do in this gamestate. Hugh makes a decent point about WIFOM and I agree that scum teams work in mysterious ways so I won't discount Lisa. The wagon on CBG going from zero to a hundred right after Lisa's wagon picked up steam is a bad look for her - makes it look like mafia were piling onto LHF at the last second to try to protect Lisa? My problem with that theory is that the wagon looks pretty pure overall. The player there with the most chance of being Lisa's wolf buddy is probably Grampa? He was "null" on Lisa for most of the day, if Lisa flips red he's the first person I'd be looking at. Conversely if Lisa flips red I'd feel very good about everyone on the Lisa wagon, because it would be pretty risky for mafia to bus in such a close situation.

Julinook

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:41 pm
Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:15 pm What do you think of Marge, Burns? Especially her handling of you.
I think she's a pain in the ass, but a pain in the ass can always be town...especially in this town apparently.

I'm a perceived wolfy that a vote cane get dropped on pretty much any time, so I resist just OMGUS when I want to do it...usually. The thing with Marge is that she comes in, flits and flutters a little, drops the easy vote...and fades. Two days in a row. Clearly, from the votes, I am obviously her number one wolf read...but she never really pushes. I haven't really noticed her making a case, or trying to convince anyone to vote me with her.

It's a pretty simple way to hide in plain sight, but...look at what other towns have done. CBG basically begged to get chopped. So did Homer. I still wanna chop Lisa and certainly don't see a reason not to.

And frankly all these people could still be town. I mean, not good towns, but I keep coming back to what Marge said "Syndicate wolves care." Maybe just playing with zero GAF is the Syndicate way of saying "look I'm town" and we just missed the memo. Maybe that's why Marge wants to chop me, because I cannot hide that I always want to win.

I locked Marge town D1 because her tone was just super good, D2 she dropped off slightly but the stuff about Syndicate wolves caring had the ring of genuineness to me. I'm still leaning town on her because every time she appears in the thread she says stuff that I just townread and I think a wolf that good at replicating town tone would try to strongarm the thread or throw their influence around a bit more.

Julinook

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:59 pm
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:55 pm He didn't have any strong scumreads before he died (that I saw browsing his ISO, anyway) so I don't think he was killed because he was onto someone. Level 1 analysis of the kill is that it looks good for Lisa, since she was under heavy pressure and he was one of the few people who seemed to trust her deeply? Could be WIFOM but I don't think she can afford to make a WIFOM kill on her only defender if she's wolf given how much heat she has on her.
LOL...he one post read her as town...but he one post read everyone as town. Everyone we got him to admit to looking at anyway. That's not a defense, or a source of strong scumreads...it's not anything.

I guess maybe a doc dodge? But I gotta tell ya LOLWolves, if I was the doc I'd have holstered before I saved Skinner.

I get what you're saying here (Homer townread everyone and wasn't trusted in general so his defense wasn't worth much), but put yourself in Lisa's shoes here if she's wolf. If she's planning at all to live through today she needs someone to stand up for her. Homer stood up for her yesterday at EoD2. Do you think the wolves are just letting her go as a lost cause?

Julinook

Krusty, can you like, read your posts?

Nobody's engaging in crocodile tears. I said "oops, I thought he was town", and went on with my day. I don't have emotion in mafia games in general (again, this is very very well supported meta and anyone who knows who I am can confirm this to you) and I don't use profanity as a replacement for emotion. I'm slightly annoyed that you're scumreading me for this and that's it, because you're making a boatload of assumptions about me, what I'm feeling and how I'm acting and scumreading me for it.

Julinook

I would point you to a few other games of mine where I reacted more or less like this in similar situations, if it wouldn't be essentially claiming my identity. But I think it's fairly obvious who I am so the other Syndicators in here can just corroborate that meta claim lol.

Julinook

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 11:06 pm
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:45 pm oops

I was so sure he was scum too
I'm scum reading this shit.

"Oh gee, & I was sure he was scum! Gosh darn fizzle sticks"

What a crock. Real TO should be pissed off, not getting ready to check on a batch of cookies

I don't get pissed off over mafia games. If you know who I am, you'd know that, it's a well-established meta of mine. I've made far more disastrous misexes than a wolfy lurker guy that flipped town, and I'm sure as fuck not blaming myself for it when he made it as hard as possible to get there on him being town. Don't scumread me for not having the same emotions as you please.

Julinook

He didn't have any strong scumreads before he died (that I saw browsing his ISO, anyway) so I don't think he was killed because he was onto someone. Level 1 analysis of the kill is that it looks good for Lisa, since she was under heavy pressure and he was one of the few people who seemed to trust her deeply? Could be WIFOM but I don't think she can afford to make a WIFOM kill on her only defender if she's wolf given how much heat she has on her.

Julinook

why was homer killed?

Julinook

oops

I was so sure he was scum too

Julinook

Hugh, remind me again what your case on Krusty was? And does Otto (a strong townread of yours) having locked him town based on (presumably compelling) meta reasons change your view of Krusty at all?

Julinook

Comic Book Guy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:06 pm [VOTE: Lisa Simpson] aubergine

This is the worst attempt at last-minute distancing I have seen in my entire life.

Julinook

CBG sitting at 2 votes after half the game expresses suspicion on him and verbally agrees that he's probably the best vote for today is stinky. I think his teammates are trying to have their cake and eat it too by saying they scumread CBG so they get cred if he flips red, but in reality vote elsewhere so he doesn't die. LC was caught with this pattern in Grasslands Mafia. If CBG is town I'd expect the wolves to be piling on him for their free misexe because he's determined to make himself look bad. But all I see on his wagon are tumbleweeds.

Lisa especially seems to be going out of her way to cast shade on everyone but CBG. Grampa voted Homer over CBG after saying CBG was scummier earlier, and is tight-lipped about why.

Julinook

[mention]Grampa Simpson[/mention] I never got an answer from you about why you wanted to exe Homer over CBG earlier. Where are you at right now? Who's your POE?

Julinook

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:52 pm
Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:47 pm Is it me or does it feel like Grumple fell down a flight of stairs in the middle of D1
He seems to know what a player salad is but doesn't know what TR means. Just seems odd to me. I don't know why one would fake it though but just putting this down since i noticed alot of his posts D2 are just asking about terminology.

This is a huge reach.

Julinook

Also not sure if anyone answered your previous question yet but a naked vote is when you vote someone without giving any reasoning. Like if your entire post is just VOTE: X and then you dip without explaining why.

Julinook

The Grumple wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:37 pm What is "TR"

Townread.

Julinook

I was lowkey looking out for people who tried to give off an aura of not caring after Marge said that wolves on the Syndicate always try hard. The only person who seems to be trying to give off that aura at the moment is CBG and he's been doing it since day 1. Most of the playerlist has seemed to try even harder after Marge said that. I'm not sure what it means, but it's something I had rolling around in mind so I'm putting it out here.

Julinook

My take on Grampa is kind of murky right now. He's floating somewhere between my POE and my town list. I was pretty confident he was scum yesterday but some of the stuff he's said/done today has been pretty solid, and I get the strong sensation that wolves were kicking back and relaxing, which I don't think they would have done if Grampa was scum given how much in danger he was.

Julinook

I got the same impression as Bart that mafia were very complacent and happy with the threadstate yesterday. That makes Burns, Grampa and Hugh look better out of the unflipped people, because they had serious pressure on them at EOD. None of my POE were in any danger of getting exed yesterday, so it doesn't help any of them.

Julinook

CBG's responses have really irked me. I think he's going for a TWTBAW strategy. He's trying to give off an aura of not giving a fuck but his overly flippant attitude feels OTT. I think he's just scum here, maybe even trying his best to anti-spew so as to deny us associative reads.

Bart is probably town here as well. Marge not appearing today has me slightly concerned but I had her as strong town yesterday and I still trust her.

I think I'm on Bart, Grumple, Otto, Hugh, Krusty, Marge, Burns and Skinner as town.

POE is Lisa, Homer, CBG.

I doubt the game is as easy as all three of them being scum but I would be pretty unsurprised if there was 2 scum in that pool. My townreads all look good to me and I'd like to think my reads are good enough that there aren't 2 or more wolves slipping into my town list.

Julinook

Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:48 pm Eod 1's peaceful atmosphere tells me no wolf was in danger, I would like to see who agrees with this

I think so as well and have said as much earlier.

Julinook

Otto Mann wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 11:25 am This is correct. Pure meta read, definitely town core but I can't lock that because he's a tricky bastard but I'm willing to trust him for now.

This is pretty ballsy to come from scum and IME wolf teams are usually scared to tie themselves to each other like that. Plus I have independent townreads on these two so I'm willing to just trust that Otto and Krusty are V/V.

Julinook

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:49 am
Bart Simpson wrote: ↑Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:26 am
No one

3

27% Voters: Mr. Burns, Otto Mann, Grampa Simpson
Is this a place holder? I used it too but seeing 3 names here looks odd
mine is

for now I guess I'll vote for... uh... h... Homer?

[VOTE: Homer Simpson] aubergine

I see this changing tomorrow

Why Homer over CBG Gramps? I thought I remembered you saying you agreed with the CBG suspicion?

Julinook

I like Burns' take that Lisa was using emotion to make herself seem more active than she is. I'm not sure I agree with the take but it's not the sort of thing town tends to take note of, and scum never thinks about.

Julinook

Grampa probably trending up. I still suspect him but he had some pretty hard-to-fake town posts the past couple of pages. I like Hugh, Grumple and Krusty - the interaction there feels organic. Grumple's "I'm a disappointment, I'm so sorry for not contributing stuff" was something that stood out to me as pretty townie. The game is low activity enough that a scum Grumple could show up and integrate back into the thread without making waves, so this would be a pretty unecessary song and dance if he was scum, which makes me think the emotion is just genuine.

Julinook

Just woke up. Going to catch up in a bit.

Julinook

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:02 am
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:58 am I said that I felt him coming in to post a salad of reads on players seemingly at random with no explanation was not a great entrance. Others have felt the opposite, and they have turned out to be right. But it went beyond just "he was slanking". I also wasn't voting Milhouse at EOD, I liked the Grampa exe more.
All you said is that you disagreed that the entrance was good, not saying that it was bad at all. I assumed you thought it was null, considering that you didn't say more about Milhouse and chose to vote Ned instead, and he was just a part of the group to pressure. Which doesn't align with your anger towards D1 to me.

I had a POE of Milhouse, Flanders, Skinner, and Hugh on D1. See post #252 for an explanation of this POE. It's since been proven to be largely false given that two have flipped town, one has claimed tracker, and I'm townreading the last. So that is why I have been re-evaluating my approach today and why I'm surprised to see that nobody else who had a similar line of thought seems to be doing that.

I voted Flanders over Milhouse because as much as I didn't like Milhouse's entrance I thought Flanders voting on a wagon after Marge and Homer pushed it, without announcing that vote, was even more suspicious. Then later on I took issue with the way Grampa handled Flanders' Mac claim, and voted him instead. I was annoyed by you taking all that and boiling it down to "I can't believe you thought lurker exes would actually catch scum, laughing emoji".

Julinook

I said that I felt him coming in to post a salad of reads on players seemingly at random with no explanation was not a great entrance. Others have felt the opposite, and they have turned out to be right. But it went beyond just "he was slanking". I also wasn't voting Milhouse at EOD, I liked the Grampa exe more.

Julinook

Lisa Simpson wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 9:31 am
Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:50 am You guys need to re-evaluate the way we are looking at the game. We spent D1 trying to exe slankers because we thought the mafia was coasting. We now have two green flips and one tracker claim with no counterclaim among their number. Flanders died telling us that it didn't make sense to exe slankers and that we should be looking out for the vultures preying on them. I don't buy your case on Hugh and your stubbornness in trying to push him rather than figure out anything else about the game is starting to make me doubt my townread of you.
Reading your ISO, this does not seem like a genuine thought and just jumping on this idea to pocket/protect Hugh. Wolfy. Also expecting to a slanker exe be more than rand.

I singled out a specific reason why I didn't like Milhouse more than just "no posting", and if you read my ISO you'd know that.

Julinook

Re: the debate about exeing slankers D1 and scum caring about the game - my personal view is that exeing slankers D1 is fine and there have been a few games where it's produced good results. Off the top of my head: Takhitty in Vigilante 10'er, topsecret in Mafia and Werewolves, to some extent cayvie in LGBT Mafia, KZA in Philosopher's Mafia, 112 in Amdibals at the Zoo. All of 'em slanked to varying degrees in D1 (cayvie less so, but vanishing after pressure was put on her definitely sealed her exe), and all of 'em flipped scum.

I don't think Marge's view that Syndicate scum are the ones who care about the game is true all the time. I supported exeing a slanker D1. But in the context of this game I think it's been made clear that this is not the right strategy to pursue. Blindly exeing anyone under X posts after the Milhouse and Flanders flips and the Skinner claim is not a good idea.

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