The Syndicate

Voted for who I think will make the civs have any hope of winning. No time for more.

Who says I haven't read? What I see is someone who coasted, someone who barely bothered to post, who threw a nothing vote on to Mary with no explanation after that lynch was inevitable, and who started posting a LOT more once people started eyeing her. She's bad. I got that from reading the pages I missed.

And earlier in the game I was honestly only half-invested in the game. Now that I'm back for awhile, I'm eager to accomplish that which you guys seem to be having difficulty with; lynching baddies.

And there should by rights be people out there who understand and my death and my rezz etc. and know that it does not make me untrustworthy. If they see this but choose to not trust me anyway, well I'm not winning this game anyway, so it makes no difference to me. The odds of a Barb win are astronomically small, I'd say. Trust me on that. So I'm trying to not let the baddies win, period. I've done what I can, for now.

And my getting the time wrong by 2 hours isn't cause for you to eye me. What baddie would be insisting, like I am, that people go find the very posts that would show my time comment to be wrong? I've said go read them multiple times, so clearly that was a simple mistake. And I haven't been doing linked posts because I'm ofte on my phone while at work today, linking is impossible.

Linki: my facts are the same. three hours versus one doesn't change anything.

Alizon, the last post I saw was less than an hour before Karin voted, but looking now I see that that one was actually a quoted link of Mary's. But three hours or one, my point is the same. Karin's vote was not only after the gibberish, it was after comments had been left about throwing in thew towel. Funny you didn't link to that one.

And when a baddie starts posting in gibberish after taking on votes, they've thrown in the towel, wouldn't you say?

And tell me. If Jennet pretty much took out Mary and I agreed with her wholeheartedly from start to finish of her case, and now Jennet and I both are both in agreement about Karin, while I'm not going to say that that means people should blindly follow us, it's weird that you would give me the stinkeye.

But Alizon, tell me. Do you not think Mary had thrown in the towel?

Anne Redferne wrote:ok now that there have been holes poked in the case on karin it looks very much not as "pretty damn good" :\

i was running on the assumption that all the things said in the case were accurate but it seems they weren't

Have you read back through the Mary lynch? It's not hard, the hosts have links to it on the front page. Why not make up your own mind?

So Alizon has been up for lynch and survived, eh? That explains why she's the one on frontal assault today. She clearly is trying to take the attention of the thread away from Karin since a lynch won't bother her.

Again, Karin charcterized her vote in the mary Eastey lynch as being NOT done at the time the baddies threw in the towel.

I ask you all to read for yourselves. Go back and find Mary's posts where she went bonkers and OBVIOUSLY gave up. Note the people TALKING IN THE THREAD AT THE TIME about how she had given up. And then note Karin's vote exactly one hour after Mary went bonkers.

Even if you think my initial post against Karin wasn't perfect, her response to it adds weight to my case! She voted EXACTLY at the time they threw in the towel. There is thread evidence for it. Please, read for yourself.

Just search Mary's final posts to the string of gibberish posts. Click one to go to that page of the game. Now find Karins vote post. Tell me her reply to my case is legit. Show me how.

I went back to check, and Karin did her vote for Mary one hour after Mary had posted about ten posfs of gibberish, and also after people had already been talking about how Mary had given up and thrown in the towel. If Mary herself had given up, so had her team. Karins vote being one hour after Mary went quackers bolsters my case.

She never nentioned Mary Eastey by name a single time all game, then suddenly votes her with no explanation, and then never mentions her thereafter, either. And, maybe you say, but if Mary was tilting what reason did Karin have to give, it was obvious, to that I answer simply that if that were the case she'd have said as much in her relly to my case. But no, she tried to sugfest that Mary's lynch was not yet a done deal at the time she voted, and any readback of the day Mary croaked proves that to be wrong. OBVIOUSLY wrong.

Marys lynch WAS inevitable when you voted, Karin. Mary was selfdestructing in the thread and posting crazy. At 7 votes, there was no way anyone else was going to be lynched. Why dont you go back and read Mary's posts from that day, and then tell me how I'm wrong about this.

And you only started getting posty and appearing helpful when people started looking your way. Your output changed significantly once you started getting noticed. A quiet civ who is busy stays quiet more often than a quiet baddie. Quiet baddies perk right up when they are on the hotseat.

Look, this game is not going very well. Youve all been barking up the wrong trees. But put some trust in this, Karin is bad and only started playing for realsies when you all started looking her way. How can you not see that? And her revisionist history about Mary seals it, Mary went crazy in the thread the day of her lynch. At 7 votes, her team was TOTALLY in prime towel tossing position, and Karin threw out a vote without ever mentioning Mary before or after.

In case it wasn't obvious, I voted for you.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:
Please post specific quotes that pinged you as you reread me and why they pinged you. Your suspicions seem to come out of nowhere.

@Jennet, same to you.

I'm usually the type of player to gives up when I am thought to be baddie and players are trying to lynch me. I am DONE being that player. If I am going to go, I am gonna go a kickin' and a screamin'. Y'all ain't got nuttin' on me

Sure, let's look at you.

Firstly, it is Day 9 and you only have 26 posts. That's less than 3 a day. Quiet after a few days in the game is one thing. Less than 3 posts a day for 9 days? Red flags go up. That's called coasting.

Second, you shared Mary Eastey's instant mistrust of the teachers. Like Mary, you tried to paint the teachers as baddies until the hosts confirmed they are indies.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:I think it is safest to assume that The Teachers are a separate unfriendly group with their own win conditions. I would really like to know if they have BTSC.

Karin Svensdotter wrote:
I didn't read anything about the teachers not having a kill. What makes you assume this?

Third, your voting record. You voted late for Mary Eastey, well after the point where anything could have been done to save her, so your vote falls into the "teams throwing in the towel" section.

Fourth, not only does your vote smell, but this was the only post you had ever made mentioning Mary up to that point:

Karin Svensdotter wrote:Mary's got my vote.

You never mentioned her, even in passing, and then jumped onto the bandwagon when the lynch was inevitable. In fact, a search of your posts only uncovers the word Mary three times, and two of those were in someone else's quote box in your post. You avoided talking about Mary like the plague. That post above is literally the only time you ever mentioned her, and you voted for her?!

And finally, you put an eyeball on Maret even as you admitted that she survived a Death Eater NK.

None of this, NONE OF THIS, is a civ. You are so bad it hurts.

I have to agree about Karin, a readback just reads as bad to me.

Holy crap, I'm back! Woot! And welcome back, Jennet!

Voted for Sarah Good. She's no good.

Not really, tbh, I'm very busy this week so I dont have time to make cases against anyone.

I think imma vote for alizon.

nice work!!

I'll be voting for Miss Mary Eastey.

Jennet Bierley wrote:
You're falling right into Mary's reasoning though, because she wants proof, and you're saying you'll believe it when we have it. Anyway, I don't agree with Mary's reasoning because a) I'm certain that the teachers are good; b) Mary had dropped the case on the teachers once their alignments were revealed, but has picked it up again now that someone has put her in the spotlight as bad; c) it seems like she's grasping for straws at this point since someone is certain that she's bad.

Sure it'd be great to know all of their secrets etc. but Mary seems to have absolutely no interest in baddies at all. The idea of ignoring baddies to try to find and lynch a teacher to get (maybe) some info is absurd.

And again, like I said on Day 1 or wherever it was, I won't ever think that a character like McGonagall would be created to be an anti-civ until I see the proof of it in front of me. Snape MAYBE, but not her. Your determination to declare the teachers as bad is borderline manic. And with an entire day left, your vote IS a No U, I'm sorry.

Mary "NO U"'d Jennet? I had been thinking the case against Mary was a bit light, but instead of trying to find baddies, Mary votes, early, for someone who the baddies tried to kill? That's the biggest NO U I've seen in awhile!

Apologies for missing the vote, I got held up across the border

Are you sure you haven't gotten your witches crossed? Some of your thoughts sound like they refer to me, I.i. the being timed comment?

Jane Southworth wrote: I would like to hear from Barbara today as well. I didn't see how big the connection was between her and Jennet until Alizon just brought it up. Barbara has indeed been lurking in Jennet's shadow for most of the game.

I can't really say anything more about Jennet. Her play has struck me as civ and in this game, trust is hard to come by. But, the irony is that I apparently misunderstood some of her points and leapt to a conclusion that she had not made, so... yeah, I'm not sure what to say except that I'm a bit of a spaz...

I wasn't aware people were timing me, lol.

As for your link, I admit to being a bit scattered the other day and rushing my thoughts, but I stand behind my vote.

Lizzy wrote:

Night 3: Jennet’s Gift

And this just in: Agnes Sampson was Harry Potter.

Interesting, I wonder if this is a result of Hermione casting her spell? The role doesnt say that the results are made public...

Stupid baddies.

Voted Margaret. Heading to work. Will answer a few posts tonight!

Margaret Pearson wrote:I want to make sure I won't miss the vote again, so I shall go ahead and vote now. Furthermore I'm not buying the whole Krystyna thing. Little owls told me that *Sarah Good* is the wicked among us.

I'm highly tempted to vote Margaret's way. She has 6 posts, 2 of which are useless filler, 2 are stating her choice in night polls, and 2 are votes. Day 1 was Entjen and today was Sarah Good. I think there is a chance that she went with Entjen because it was easy and people were talking about her, and today she wanted to avoid the lynch and lazily threw her vote away. People wanting to avoid lynchtrains are generally not civ.

Sorry for my absence today, busy busy.

I first thought that it seemed like Krystyna was maybe getting a bum rap by having lots of people exploiting her posts and thus making her talk a lot, which always makes someone sound worse. But, really, her posts don't sound civvie at all, if anything they sound indy. Jennet is right, it sounds like Krystyna is just whatevs about this.

And fwiw, Jennet is making a lot of sense to me.

I just died a little lol!!

voting bridget.

jane her last few posts show that she doesn't care. a lynch will give insight into why.

I may as well cut and paste Jennets post to show my reasons, we are apparently in sync on this. At this point a Bridget lynch is the best option.

Linki: and I think Bridget agrees lol

I've put some thought to it, and I think there are good odds that a Bridget lynch would be futile, but I'd be willing to try, anyway.

Märet Jonsdotter wrote:

Barbara Kollerin wrote:

Margarethe Reinberg wrote:

Anne Redferne wrote:Did Bridget say the same line about the devil in both of her explanation?

Jane pulled the quotes and Bridget did do it twice. I did not notice that until Jane pointed it out. My thoughts on why it happened are no longer valid.

I suppose she could have done it as a joke the first time and then was forced the second time? I don't know, I'm confused about it.

Why are you so convinced that the vote WAS forced? ?

I was convinced of it when I thought she had said it once, but twice? Now I'm confused. But I think we should move on from it.

Margarethe Reinberg wrote:

Anne Redferne wrote:Did Bridget say the same line about the devil in both of her explanation?

Jane pulled the quotes and Bridget did do it twice. I did not notice that until Jane pointed it out. My thoughts on why it happened are no longer valid.

I suppose she could have done it as a joke the first time and then was forced the second time? I don't know, I'm confused about it.

Hard to say. Doing it twice gives me pause, actually...

Anuone else have any suspects?

One person I've got an eye on is Rebecca Nurse. It could be coincidental, but her insistence in recapping the reasons Agnes was suspicious 15 minutes before Agnes died feels like something a baddie would do to distance themselves from the upcoming kill... as in "if I were bad, would I really have mentioned her right before the kill?"

The other thing about Rebecca is bringing up Bridgets vote and comment about the Devil. Ive been on lots of baddie teams where there is an ability to force someones vote, and so many times its a baddie member who first mentions it in thread... baddies like to get their handiwork talked about for dome reason. The other main reason is that often, along with a vote force is the cavaet that if the target lets on that they were forced, the baddies get something. So, the more you try to get it talked about, the better the chance you get something. I think it is safe to assume that one of the baddie curses does this, considering how they work in the books.

Rebecca fits this right now, for me.

Maret, You can't see what's going on with Bridgets vote? Or, at least, what she wants us to think is going on here?

So despite his role having no secrets, you think Harry would survive a NK due to the horcrux conenction to Volde? Interesting... I'd love to hope it's true, I'd hate to have lost Harry already...

Mary Eastey wrote:

Barbara Kollerin wrote:Voldemort is listed as killing every night. That's one baddie team.

And do you really think McGonagall is a baddie? What kind of messed up game setup would that be?

Really, you're going to assume that a team of four players, all with secret roles is friendly to civvies?

I'll believe the teachers at Hogwarts (except maybe Snape ) are good until it's proven otherwise, yes.

When a baddie team kills every night there is one baddie team. Leaping right to "the other baddie team" exactly 30 seconds behind Entjen saying the same thing is far more interesting to me than the idea that Flitwick or McGonagall could be cast as baddies, at this point.

Voldemort is listed as killing every night. That's one baddie team.

And do you really think McGonagall is a baddie? What kind of messed up game setup would that be?

To Entjen and Mary, wtf are you talking about? I see only one baddie team?

Hmm, so apparently God help anyone who survives a lynch in this game... ripiywg Agnes!

Alizon Device wrote:Going with unicorn. Seems the most interesting. Sorry I didn't check in before btw. I completely forgot that this game had started.

Would anyone be willing to give me a brief recap? I got that Entjen got some suspicion thrown at him/her for what I felt was starting some discussion about another player, and a few people jumped on that. But was there something else anyone found eventful that I missed?

You've got the gist of it, I think. But really, we're at under 200 posts, I'm sure you can just read back yourself

Picked dragon. I think that would be the quickest death.

interesting Day 1...

Randomized Kael.

I'm not feeling the love for anyone's little pings yet.

Entjen Gillis wrote:I think it's weird for her to have posted that she was pinged when there was nothing much on topic posted, but I am also not sure I want to lynch the first person trying to get the discussion on topic. On one hand, she could be legitimately trying to get discussion going, but the other option is she was trying to post on topic without committing to any actual suspicions. I'm looking forward to hearing these pings first

Well, I don't think anyone has suggested lynching her.

Jane Southworth wrote:Hmm well if they're good enough for Katharina to eat then I don't think they're poisoned. *nom noms on a filched cake*

Agnes Sampson wrote:Although it is early there are a few posts that caused my eyebrow to arch but I want to see how this day plays out.

History tells us that this day will probably play out with randomization Which posts pinged you? There hasn't really been any on-topic discussion yet.

I'm curious about this myself, when every post is offtopic Harry Potter jokes, what has pinged you?

Anne Redferne wrote:Or just use some kind of sweater summoning spell?

wingardium sweaterosa?