The Syndicate

Miyuki account is gutted.

Kate, I did trust you as much as I could, but between what dierdre told me in bts and what my night results were not telling me, I wasn't absolutely sure. I was trying there at the end to hold off on committing until dierdre did.

I barely guessed anyone right in the guessing contest. I thought anchorete was indiglo, until Izett posted the pic of the redhead, and then anchorete mentioned intimidation, i thought she was confirming!
I'm thinking I got about 3 people right.

Hosts, it was a lovely game. After being away from mafia for almost 6 months, my first two games on coming back were the most non-traditional mafia games imaginable. So I enjoyed getting my feet wet finally in something that felt like real mafia!

I voted fane. In case anyone wonders, I still thought that Grutfud may have been recruited by one of the baddie teams until he said he was suspicious of the same people I suspected. All of the interpretations of things said in the thread can cause an awful lot of upset, but I don't think they always mean what people think they mean.

I will vote whichever one dierdre and orange decide should go first.

My previous post was to orange and dierdre

Well okay then. Sounds like a plan to me.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:Well, I agree with Orange that he is a disgruntled baddie, and I did not find a totally cohesive train of thought in his random lyrics. I am not 100% sure how you extrapolated what you did from what he said, to be honest. But listening to dead baddies is a perilous undertaking, and I would be careful before I did it. Certainly he should be able to say whatever he likes (that the host allows) but I think we should ignore it.

And I personally (obviously) thought Shand was an SK. Just as I revised my opinion of you with some rereading earlier in the game, I revised my opinion of Izett, and now believe that Shand & Euro are the SKs. So maybe I am missing what you are talking about.

Now really, bed.

Linki Miyuki, you're a Wicked?

Of course not, you know better but while everyone's confessing, I figured we could make a party out of it

Grutfud, are we lynching euro or fane?

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:Well interesting things are afoot. Since I have already been outed, Wickeds, I think now is the time we talk. I cannot win this game, we all know that now. I can only delay the inevitable. As such, I propose an alliance. One which will allow you to win, even though I cannot. If I am going to lose, I fully intend to lose big and in such a way that the end result of this game is affected. I doubt you all can win without my help, and I know I can't win either way about it. Want to play ball? I know who you all are, and I am sure the civs all know as well at this point. That is no bluff to pull you out, if one of you is willing to speak freely then let me know if you are up for some "wicked" fun.

let's party! What do you have in mind?

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

Eurolyvn Blissfulone wrote:For what it is worth, I was just targeted on Night 11 by the SKs...

No you weren't, unless you self targeted.

I am not sure what you mean, Miyuki; Rhinfrews posts, or your posts?

I have been having car issues this week, and it has cut into my game time. I hope to be caught up tomorrow night, for now

Rhinfrew and grutfuds posts. I'd really like to hear everyone's thoughts on who should be lynched and why of course.

*killed an sk, that should say

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:You're confusing me a little. I believe Shand was a sk. You agree?

I believe Shand had his power stolen one night. Or he may have stolen mine. Or someone stole mine. I don't know, one of those. That's all I know. Are you saying the wicked team killed an so last night?

I can hardly wait to hear everyone else's thoughts about these posts. I'm going to hang on to my weather forecast a big longer.

Grutfud, do you think fane is lynchable? I have doubts about that.

Grutfud, I just wanted to hear what he would say. It may not be true, but it may point out other things. I think he should sing all he wants, as long as its allowed.

Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:I get that rhinfrew is trying to tell us something. Something that has been considered....
But I also hope this is something you're allowed to do?

Get it together. See what's happening.

So you think Grutfud is a danger ?

I get that rhinfrew is trying to tell us something. Something that has been considered....
But I also hope this is something you're allowed to do?

I'd also like to hear some more from dierdre.

And anchorete mentioned the possibility of a recruit. Grutfud, what do think of that possibility?

Do you think fane has an unlynchable role? I don't want to waste another lynch there if its a possibility that it will be a waste.

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:Alright. I think it's might important that ms. Euro is blocked this evening.

Now this is one I can agree with. And there is another for the next night, but that can wait. So why do we want to put fane and lyel ahead of euro and the other for lynching purposes?

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Based on the win conditions, someone outnumbers someone.

I'm going to have a detailed weather report ready very soon, just 'fair' warning to all thieves in the night.

Well it does seem that something like that is happening. It also seems as though that person may just know who the wicked are and who the sks are for that matter, wouldn't it? And that being the case, that stands to reason that person may just be a civ now doesn't it?

Indeed it does, but that civ keeps pointing fingers at just one person. I should like to hear more possibilities before I wholeheartedly trust that player.

Based on the win conditions, someone outnumbers someone.

I'm going to have a detailed weather report ready very soon, just 'fair' warning to all thieves in the night.

I voted you know, because I don't know. Well I do know one thing, there has been a lot of foggy weather in this game. A whole lot of people affected by bad weather. Which I don't mind saying at this late date.

Anyone want to talk about who they're voting tomorrow?

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I thought it would make sense to try to get Fane first. Now I dont think it matters at all seeing as he had a stop. Fane or Lyle, in whichever order works for me. I have a sneaking suspicion that Fane is more dangerous, but if group consensus is Lyle first, so be it.

I don't necessarily think lyel needs to go first, I'm relying on what everyone else thinks about that. I just wondered if he was brought back because he had an important baddie role, or if he was supposed to be thrown under a bus to save the other baddie roles. My two cents worth while I'm here, is that I'm fine with whatever a couple of other people think.

Lyel, my main thought was that if a rezz had been town-driven, gobnait would have been rezzed. Since a quiet player of unknown affiliation was rezzed, it looks pretty mafia-driven. Have you any thoughts you can add to the game, that will make you seem more trust-worthy? You have been alive long enough now to have formed some opinions, yes?

Designer on Trading Spaces is not an option?

I guess magician will have to do.
Shand, I promise to reread you tomorrow. Is too late for tonight.

Just so you don't misunderstand, I only want to know who shifted the talk away from lyel, which I believe was shand and Grutfud. Not completely sure, but I think it was them. I don't think it matters that lyel was saved, because I guess he was brought back to lyf in order to save his teammates. That sounds convoluted, or not well explained. I'll get into it more after the post, or sometime tonight.

Well, I'm going to go ahead and vote fane, because its likely they are both bad. No matter how you slice, someone sure saved Lyel today. I guess I'll have to look back and see who started the 'save lyel project'.

votes fane

Nothing looks bold on my phone

I can't put my finger on the why, but I feel more leery of shand than I do about fane. But like I said, I can't really pinpoint why.

Ok thank you anchorete.

Well, it looks like Grutfud answered Deirdre's question about fane, by voting for fane.

Earlier in the game, a group of five won a contest, and the prize was btSC for 72 hours. Gob only came in once I think, but queran, rhinfrew, and fane were there more often. Rhinfrew and queran both seemed a bit sketchy, and fane just seemed polite. He seemed a bit supportive of rhin and queran, but just in a polite kind of way. Very hard to read him. Since he obviously wasn't on rumples team, he could well have been on the other bad team, or the sk team. But, at the time, I had no reason to rule him out as a civ either. I wish I had stayed in there more, maybe I would have gotten a better idea of his agenda.

He was under a posting spell, as was Bac, and euro. And Izett said that the person she replaced had also been afflicted, even tho they did not comply. Does this mean anything? Was it something the nixie did? It probably has nothing to do with fanes guilt or innocence, just thinking out loud.

Linki- anchorete, what do you mean by backwards? You've asked that twice. Are you referring to a person when you say that?

Maybe a lyel lynch would be for the best. Everyone seems to agree that his being rezzed was a baddie move.

I have no opinion at all about shand or euro,yet.

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Grutfud Orangesprite wrote:I don't think we should necessarily discount what carmen said completely but we also shouldn't pit all our faith in rumplestiltskin. That being said. I think we should lynch fane.

Hold up a second. I don't like this bandwagon that's forming against me. First Grutfud lays out a perfectly logical case for Lyel's resurrection being a sign of his baddieness, and then all of a sudden he wants to lynch me with no explanation?

I'm sorry, but this seems like a set up to me. There is, in my view, substantial evidence that several other players might be bad, but just because Grutfud says so everyone is willing to hop aboard a Fane lynch? This makes no sense to me, and I hope others will not be suckered into what is likely a baddie bandwagon against me.

Fane, I'm thinking hard about this too. Euro was suspicious of you because she saw ties to Carmen, but Carmen's team is gone. I'd like to hear why people suspect you now that Carmen is dead.

Euro, I have a question for you, if you don't mind. It may be one that you don't want to answer, if so, that's fine too. I'm just curious whether anyone has attempted, unsuccessfully, to night kill you during the game?

Sorry! I missed the linki. I'll go with either one. Fane is fine if that's what everyone thinks.

Dierdre, what's your take on anchorete and Izett?

I think I missed this post from Izett-

Also we apparently have The Wicked Ones to deal with still (or at least 1 of them). Their last kill was Night 6. In both cases, however, the lack of a NK doesn't necessarily mean they didn't try. They could have been blocked, or their target protected. (I'm also assuming there is some of that host error in there that Roxy mentioned, because one of their NKs was on an odd night rather than even.)

The wicked team did attempt a kill on night 8. You only have my word for it, but for the sake of people figuring things out, (like roles and such), they did attempt a kill. Luckily for me, I like contests.

I wish there was an option to save it for a rainy day, but since there isn't, I'll give it away.

Ok, I'll ask the question in a more specific way. I have to leave for awhile, but I'll check in later to see if you answered or not, your choice of course....

Did the knowledge you gained have anything to do with weather conditions?

I have a question for Carmen. Could you tell how you knew your ability had been stolen? You have already confirmed that you know it was stolen, so what I'm wondering is how you arrived at that.

I chose Snow White, because of Once Upon a Time.

I believe Carmen is a killer, one that kills on odd nights. It sounds like a good possibility that she can only die if she is the last on her team, or last of the pair, maybe. Being that this is an odd night, I hope precautions can be taken.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:*Sigh*

Anchorete also says that there is a difference between asking questions and intimidating the living shit out of people. You seem to be fond of thinking whomsoever does not agree with you or your methods or suspicions must be bad. I call shenanigans. I think you are bad. Once it seems we are down to the last few of the Rumple team, you started throwing mud out to try to direct the next lynches and the trend of the thread, and strarted suspecting people for bogus crap, like talking when you thought we shouldn't even though we got the result we wanted, or for backing off on someone due to "role hints" no one would have even noticed had you not mentioned them

And tbh, I was taken aback when I mentioned a hint I thought I had seen, and you were like, "Well who said it? What did they say?". When someone asks a question, a civvie tries their best to answer it, but i feel your questions cross the line into target painting.

I am having problems seeing you as anything but bad. You can say all you want that your questions are innocent (and unlike you, I am basing this ONLY ON THIS GAME AND THIS THREAD) but it seems to me that when you don't get an answer you like, well, then, that person must be a baddie.

As for the bold part above, there was more to that than meets the eye. Things happen in games, that other players don't realize, just like what you're saying , about me. I can't always know where someone us coming from, when no one is talking, so I wind up asking questions. Sometimes I realize what is 'not being said' but sometimes I don't. Well, it's the same thing about the above part, sometimes everything can't be shared.

Back to the game, yes I question people because if I don't entirely trust them, I say so. But I don't rush to vote them. In fact, I try to be really sure before I do place a vote on them.

But if you're suspicious of me, then you just are. That's your right.

Anchorete says that rumple doesn't have what he needs, so I feel safe enough posting. I want to respond to a few of her points. First off, you said I MADE you say something. How can I make you do something? I don't think it's possible to make someone say something. You chose to say something. When I ask questions, you even have the choice of not answering at all. Everyone has that choice.

(And all you people who are not used to me asking tons of questions, because maybe you never played at stv, or you just don't know me and I was making you feel stressed, always remember in the future that you can just ignore me if you want. Or tell me to leave you alone and go bully someone else. I promise I won't bite, and no way can I make you answer. Believe me, it's not required that anyone answer my thousands of questions)

Hmmm, I'll look back and see if anything else needs a response.

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:So...did you switch the lynch?

That's not within my realm of possibilities

Anchorete Playfulure wrote:

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I was going to mention that Carmen hasn't voted but we aren't supposed to talk. Why are you (everyone)? I don't see the point in having a silent day previously if now people are talking, especially as people picked on me for saying three words (excluding proper nouns).

The main reason I started talking was that I felt you were being picked on for those three words, so hush you, Pointy Ears

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Laine, I think we kind of blew the whole defeat rumple plan right out of the starting gate last night. If he's still alive, he's probably got wat he needs by now.

On the last night, the wicked team tried to kill me. They found out that they couldn't get the job done though, so 2 civvies lived to see another day
In case there is a lynch switch, I thought that should be known.

No he doesn't actually have what he needs. I have reason to know

More mud slinging, an unprovable assertion due to the way the posts are written (Bac was believable, you, not so much), and I totally adored your huge "No U" last night, the one based on the premise sock puppets are supposed to defeat. You know, you thought I was civ until you think you figured out who I am, lol. Oh, and after I came out and said I thought you were a bad mud slinging Imp.

I guess we'll just have to see, sweets