The Syndicate

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:49 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:48 am I said clearly in there that you are scum, don't twist my words or pretend not to know what I meant.

Said POE. Not a read.

When I say POE, I mean my mafia suspects. This should be clear when I say that some people are town for me and out of POE, and Made who is in between, and there are three people + nutella who I think the wolf team is in.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:47 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:45 am Explain your reads on Maid and me, you are swinging back and forth wildly and it doesn't make any sense to me.

Tell me, are you trying to attract a townread for being aggressive and not caring about how you look?

I said clearly in there that you are scum, don't twist my words or pretend not to know what I meant.

Explain your reads on Maid and me, you are swinging back and forth wildly and it doesn't make any sense to me.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:43 am Maid Town
Quokka Mafia

Nope

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:35 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:34 am

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:17 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:16 am I really don't understand this exchange between Maid and Martin so I'm just going to write them down as not wolves together :P

[VOTE: Quokka] aubergine

Read me.

You are taking a very bold stance in this game with your one word posts and confrontational attitude. You are in the POE for me because you haven't done anything that allows me to hard townclear you, and I believe your taking three random posts and refusing to explain them but calling them mafia to be salad like you accused Akemi of doing. I townread you early on but it is very difficult to understand your reasoning right now. I think you could be W/W with nutellaphant as well with them attacking you as hard as possible to distance. Counterbalanced against that is the fact that on D1 you tied the vote of nutellaphant and Boringboi when you could have forced Boringboi to be chopped, which is what elevates you above PSP in my POE.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:17 am

Quokka wrote: ↑Wed Dec 23, 2020 3:16 am I really don't understand this exchange between Maid and Martin so I'm just going to write them down as not wolves together :P

[VOTE: Quokka] aubergine

I really don't understand this exchange between Maid and Martin so I'm just going to write them down as not wolves together :P

Fuskdall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 10:26 pm

Quokka wrote: ↑Tue Dec 22, 2020 8:25 pm Akemi has seemed town this day phase for me, her claim of an anti-town role that gets a boost if you win the roleplay award is believable to me based on what I know. Despite not understanding 1312's reads I trust him because of the miller claim and the fact that he was fishing for the vig and thought it was Made doesn't seem scummy. My Shell has claimed vig and that claim I believe will selve resolve sooner or later.

That leaves the POE to me (excluding nutella who I am voting) as PonyStarkPrime, Martin and Fuskdall. And between those, Fuskdall seems the towniest, followed by Martin and then PSP. If nutella flips town somehow we will have to re-evaluate everything but for now this is how I see the game.

Mafia have fake claims

Oh, that's true. Then claims have to be sorted based on how provable they are, in which case My Shell's claim would be the towniest since it's provable and would make no sense for mafia to make even as a fakeclaim. Despite not having a trustable claim Akemi at least seems to be putting some thought into the solves and isn't just pushing agenda needlessly. Right now I am working based off a nutellaphant = scum world and Akemi doesn't make sense as wolf with My Shell. Followed by 1312 for taking an approach to the vigilante that looks like a townslip to me.

Made is the odd one out in this list, their claim is not fully trustworthy but I think I know who they are and their behavior has been a towntell for them if so. If they are who I think they are, then they are usually an easy read for me, which is why I'm putting them above the POE and below the people with role claims.

Akemi has seemed town this day phase for me, her claim of an anti-town role that gets a boost if you win the roleplay award is believable to me based on what I know. Despite not understanding 1312's reads I trust him because of the miller claim and the fact that he was fishing for the vig and thought it was Made doesn't seem scummy. My Shell has claimed vig and that claim I believe will selve resolve sooner or later.

That leaves the POE to me (excluding nutella who I am voting) as PonyStarkPrime, Martin and Fuskdall. And between those, Fuskdall seems the towniest, followed by Martin and then PSP. If nutella flips town somehow we will have to re-evaluate everything but for now this is how I see the game.

1312 where did you get the idea that Made claimed Vigilante from? I searched the thread for "vigilante" because of what Michelle said but the only mentions I could find of Vigilante are from her.

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:19 pm If what I think is the case wolves already know so probably no trouble. I think they caught my soft and blocked me to save her which strengthens my conviction.

HMMM

I believe this, not because of the soft, but because it is a totally unecessary claim if she is scum. Especially with a competing claim on the table, it's just too risky.

If what you say is true then I am less suspicious of 1312, his claim of miller with innocent child award looked legitimate, and if mafia already know the vigilante then he wouldn't be fishing for it in thread but would be trying to pocket you.

Did you try to shoot anyone N1, or were you blocked then also?

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:14 pm Does not contradict, teammates bussed thinking she would be gone but ended up saved by counter again after all. Both can be true

Ok. I'm heading out right now, but I'll take a look at who moved from the nutellaphant wagon to the My Shell/Boringboi wagons after the EOD chaos happened.

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 11:10 pm

Quokka wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:05 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:55 pmNutella was saved two days in a row and potentially saved from a vig shot with some sort of interference.

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm If Nutella is wolf was likely being bussed as they were seen as sus from early on and a probable bus sacrifice, Akemi especially voted early and may have wanted to stay on and hope Paprika flipped.

Explain what you mean by these two posts.

Nutella is probably wolf how can i be more clear than that.

You say nutella was saved 2 days in a row, but then also say they are bussed, which is it?

1337 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:06 pm

Quokka wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:02 pm

1337 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:28 pm Because a guy claimed vig and he's still alive and didn't die and that's a little suspicious don't you think

I don't like how you are trying to move the spotlight off nutella by making a big deal about this. There are many reasons why someone can not be dead including a doc dodge or mafia simply not believing the claim. The fact that the vig hasn't shot seems to point towards the claim not being real regardless.

Can you explain why you are putting My Shell, Martin and myself in the same category? That does not make sense to me.

It was theedtoveds I could not towncleae but I forgot dodo existed.

But now honestly I just think my shell is independently mafia so that group doesn't matter much anymore in my head

ok. What makes you think nutellaphant is town then?

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:55 pmNutella was saved two days in a row and potentially saved from a vig shot with some sort of interference.

My Shell wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:03 pm If Nutella is wolf was likely being bussed as they were seen as sus from early on and a probable bus sacrifice, Akemi especially voted early and may have wanted to stay on and hope Paprika flipped.

Explain what you mean by these two posts.

1337 wrote: ↑Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:28 pm Because a guy claimed vig and he's still alive and didn't die and that's a little suspicious don't you think

I don't like how you are trying to move the spotlight off nutella by making a big deal about this. There are many reasons why someone can not be dead including a doc dodge or mafia simply not believing the claim. The fact that the vig hasn't shot seems to point towards the claim not being real regardless.

Can you explain why you are putting My Shell, Martin and myself in the same category? That does not make sense to me.

[VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

1337, why are you so interested in asking about the town vig?

Why would mafia think there are VTs?

I am not skating by. I am just weighing in on the gamestate. I have already said I intend to take a back seat this day because of what happened yesterday. I am voting nutellaphant because I think she was saved, that's all.

This four wagon formation bothers me, I don't have confidence today is a hit either due to that. Between the four I would rather nutellaphant because of yesterday and the fact that their entrance was unreadable. I don't understand why they are suspecting Martin either.

[VOTE: nutellaphant] aubergine

nutella I'm sorry, I cannot read your catch up, it is too dense.

If you think Fuskdall and Akemi are masons why would you expose them?

My Shell you said dodo was your biggest scumread yesterday, how does her being killed night 1 change your view of the game?

I'm sorry I do not have high WIM this day phase. I should have paid more attention to my observation yesterday that the thread got a lot more excited after I arrived, in hindsight it's probably because the mafia stirred things up because they saw an opportunity to create chaos or save a buddy due to my entrance.

I'm sorry BB

Paprika wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:56 pm Guys, you cannot believe that mafia will actually allow a last minute pivot to their coasting mafia. That's not how that works. I know this may seem like tmi, but this is going to be such a miss. People started popping in when MyShell started getting traction, I think MyShell holds A LOT of info

So who do you think is scum?

Paprika wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:55 pm Oh come on, pivoting to the low count post player never works. We all know that, right?

As far as I can tell, both wagons are low post count players right now.

I think it is interesting how the thread suddenly came to life after I entered. Why are people so interested in my reads?

PonySparkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:51 pm why boring boe?

They had a very wolfy and non commital pop in. I didn't like it at all.

MartinWP69 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:50 pm If all of the dodo voters switched to boringboi then I would be very happy with the poll right now.

I was just about to say I feel tempted to do a second CFD onto boringboi because My Shell got slightly townier lately.

Boringboi666 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:46 pm I'm feeling negative about nutellaphant and neutral towards my shell. Don't really remember their posts/positions.

I think this post is wolfy. It does not show a desire to sort.

dodo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:46 pm y'know what? let's have some fun

i think My Shell is town

You thought nutellaphant was town too right? Who do you think is wolf then?

Paprika wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:45 pm HOLY MOLY Quokka wtf, this is way too easy and quick. I thought for sure nutella was going to get voted off and my attempts to show my stance on my reads was not going to affect anything wtf.

That's what EODs are like in my experience. A lot of chaos. It's why I was very uncomfortable by how complacent the thread seemed to be before I arrived.

So if they are both independently wolfy, but you don't think they are wolf together, then who is more likely to be wolf in your POV My Shell?

Paprika wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 7:38 pm Ahhhhh I don't like how much traction I ACTUALLY got on My Shell wtf. @Quokka thoughts? Is nutella town? Is MyShell town?

Currently I believe that nutella is town and was made a scapegoat of by the mafia. My Shell is my biggest wolf read.

The atmosphere in the thread seems a bit chaotic and panicky. I think that's because mafia thought they had an easy day 1 mischop but now their buddies are taking heat. That's just my read on the thread state.

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 3:50 pm I see your vote is on Nutellaphant I could vote there maybe as she did not explain any reads

My Shell wants to vote Nutellaphant, but she frames it as a sheep onto Nutellaphant. The perfect position to deflect blame if Nutellaphant flips town.

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:09 pm Sorry I find the accounts confusing to make reads on but am trying my best

This is in response to Akemi pulling up some posts that she (Akemi) thought were scummy. This isn't a defense or an explanation, she is just avoiding the question and begging for sympathy. She thought Nutellaphant not explaining her reads was scummy earlier so she would surely explain her posts as town. But she never explains her own reads and tries to avoid it with "I find accounts confusing to make reads on".

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:18 pm

Akemi Homura wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:15 pm

My Shell wrote: ↑Thu Dec 17, 2020 6:13 pm The quoted paprika post there calling out a tr on another tr was one I couldn't figure out

What are your actual reads My Shell?

Maid martin and you most town

Nurse towny

Dodo and nutella lean wolf

Others unsure

This reads list does not make sense. dodo and nutella do not make sense as wolves together. My Shell is just picking the two most suspected people and saying they are her wolf leans.

In conclusion I think My Shell is the most likely to be a wolf here. A lot of people have said she is scummy, but nobody seems willing to put a vote. It could be because her teammates are soft bussing but do not want to actually chop her.

I think I'm less sus of dodo now. She would probably just vote nutellaphant if she was scum, unless they're W/W, but the wagons wouldn't be this stagnant if they're W/W.

My Shell has copped a lot of suspicion, but nobody seems willing to vote there. So ima do this and see what happens.

[VOTE: My Shell] aubergine

I'm so sorry for not keeping up. This game has a ton of pages. I've looked a little at the past few pages and I'm not really comfortable with how little vote movement there is at EOD, when there's usually a lot of vote movement. It makes me think that mafia is comfortable with the gamestate. I really understand the scumreads on nutella and the speed at which people flew onto her makes me think she's being mischopped.

Good morning everyone!

Seeing something as a joke isn't the same as saying that someone's reads must not be genuine because they were much townier earlier. I don't trust this backtracking line of reasoning and I don't trust how you portrayed my concern as shady when it was perfectly legitimate.

These are some pretty defensive reactions when I called out your slip. I think I am pretty comfortable with that theory now.

Paprika wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 3:18 pm No. I am just talking about dodo's logs, as a sockplayer, doesn't seem scummy to me. Specifically, their earlier logs, contesting Akemi's push bytown reading the Nutella elephant in the room. And then their Level 1 Read saying it's me distancing by open wolfing my teammates didn't seem like a legit push. I have no idea what type of player they are, just going off my what I am seeing.

Where did that read even come from? I don't see how you arrived at that though with my quote even if I tried to twist the context.

I'm just wondering what made you jump to the conclusion that dodo doing something scummy must be due to them faking it rather than being scum. And I interpreted your second sentence as saying they don't usually act this scummy. It's weird to say that just because dodo had an okay opening it means they must be faking every time they do something scummy from then on.

Paprika wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:59 pm im just waiting for dodo's real reads
i don't think dodo is that scummy

Hold on.

How would you know if dodo is usually scummy or not? Nobody knows each other's real identities. Are you slipping that you know dodo's real identity because she told you in your mafia chat together?

Paprika is good seasoning. The real dunya would never diss a good spice like that.

dodo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:28 pm i saw this, and it’s why I asked! it is THE way to distance from your teammates. JUST KILL THEM!!!

[VOTE: Maid] aubergine

i think that ill vote for you tomorrow after you kill the quokka Im the night

do you have a role town should worry about? do your teammates?

Here you say I am town and will be killed in the night. After that you say I am one of the three wolves. Which is it dodo?

[unvote][/unvote]

I think Paprika, Maid and 1612 are all town. They are engaging the game in a messy and transparent way and questioning and re-evaluating facts about other players.

On the other hand I didn't like dodo popping in to shade Paprika without commenting on the 1612 miller business.

[VOTE: dodo] aubergine

It's a pretty big reach to say that 1312 is role fishing just by claiming miller.

So why is 1612 sus?