The Syndicate

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Laine, I think we kind of blew the whole defeat rumple plan right out of the starting gate last night. If he's still alive, he's probably got wat he needs by now.

On the last night, the wicked team tried to kill me. They found out that they couldn't get the job done though, so 2 civvies lived to see another day
In case there is a lynch switch, I thought that should be known.

Lyel Lambboat wrote:I went with the curtains. I think evildoers/monsters are more likely to be in the closet or under the bed. If childhood nightmares ever taught me anything.

I'm perfectly fine with a Carmen lynch as well. I think it would be worthwhile for some of us to have a second candidate just in case something happens again. I would lean toward Laine most likely. The Gobnait vote and posting during the previous day made me crick my eyebrows a bit, so he /she might be someone worth looking at. However, I think Carmen should be the main focus for the following lynch.

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:Laine, while you're here, do you have any pings or suspicions about anyone? You seem to be here alot, but you don't post much. I noticed that you were on the other night, but didn't vote for Queran while you were here. Then you came back the next day, and voted last, (I think) and made your post about Dallon. I don't understand how you were here, but failed to notice we were in non-speaking mode.

Shand Azureye wrote:

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:The only thing about Laine is that Maonchin vouched for him. Could he have been voicing a vibe as fact? I like your logic about his vote that time but its hard to go against a confirmed civs posts

Oh you're right! I'd forgotten all about Mainchin vouching for Laine. But considering Mainchin didn't have investigative powers, I don't know what to make of it. It would be nice to hear what Laine's own explanation is for Mainchin's vote of confidence, and for her Gobnait-vote.

Izett Cruelsinger wrote: Glad we got him/her.

Ok, next shall we vote Carmen? I'd be fine with that.

Anchorette, I agree, I think it is quite possible (maybe even likely?) that Dallon was bad. And hopefully Rhin.

So, it appears that Eurolyvn was under some sort of hex/potion type thing. That's interesting. And it did cause them to have to post more, but apparently it didn't mess up our tactic too much because we got what we planned!



I have a question for Laine - why did you post as many words as you did during this day period?

Linki - yes, same question goes for Diedre. Why did you post as many words as you did during this last day period?

I noticed both those and thought it strange.

Dallon Redwarlock wrote:The question asks the most fantastical creature. I don't care, as a Lord of the Rings fan I am voting elf.

Dallon Redwarlock wrote:This Rumpy power is mighty powerful. This is what Roxy said..

no regular words nor names proper or otherwise will be used.

So what does she mean by regular words do you think?

Dallon Redwarlock wrote:Hans Christian Andersen

Fane Winebattle wrote:To be clear, I never meant to insinuate that Lyel would be making up personal tragedy to score points in the game. I obviously do not believe that to be the case. I still find him shifty though
>.>
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Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:

Fane Winebattle wrote:

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:For the other three, do you have anything besides their quietness? I'm worried about lynching someone for quietness now; as the Finnian lynch showed us, that can be a mistake.

Not very much to be honest, it's more of a feeling based on their tone, but I find the fact that Dallon jumped into the thread immediately after his name was mentioned a little suspect, considering his lengthy absence before that.

Lyel's excuses have shifted over time, lacking a little in consistency (Although I hate to be too hard on him given how hard a time he seems to be having in RL.)

Grutfud has basically been MIA, missing votes and not saying anything, so he is the one I suspect least of the three right now, although I do think a good strategy for the baddies would be to switch lynches while remaining very quiet in order to throw suspicion on others.

Thanks Fane. I have been musing a bit on these three as well. There's just so little to go on. I agree that the timing of Dallon rejoining is pingy, but I think for now it's probably wisest to give him a chance to establish a thread presence while looking at candidates I have a better feel for.

I also agree that I would almost feel bad putting Lyel up for lynch because of the difficulties he's mentioned. If he's lying to hide baddieness then it's extremely poor form, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that's the case. However, if it is true I still have no idea whether he's good or bad. Same with Grutfud. I think these baddies have shown they're too powerful and too tricky to take a chance lynching someone we can't read (or slightly better, since baddies now outnumber us, but my point still stands).

What are people's thoughts on leading lynch candidates for tomorrow? I know Carmen has still been getting some attention, but who else do people think is on the chopping block, as it were.

Oh! And as a side note for the folks keeping tally at home, I believe Queran has now voted for 5 straight civs. 4 are confirmed and then 1 vote for me. Just sayin'.

Shand Azureye wrote:As we move close to the deadline, I once more find myself devoid of any level of certainty. It's uncanny how well the mafia have been hiding thus far. There's just that small element of doubt about Carmen and Finnian which makes me wary of voting for either today. Carmen's alleged role hinting, and Finnian, if he were a baddie would he miss lynch polls, thereby surrendering his nightly powers?

Talking of this later, in the absence of any other strong candidates, I thought it might not be a bad idea to look at low posters who were not missing the lynches. They, I believe, are much more likely to be mafia, flying under the radar, but ensuring that they have full use of their evil powers at night.

I found two names: Fane with 11 posts, and Dierdre with 15. Both have voted in all lynches so far. Anyone have any thoughts on these two? All the other low posters have missed at least one vote.

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Rhinfrew Flowingrass wrote:I've been looking at the no-shows for Day 1 (excusing the thrice-eyed kitty):

All of them (with the exception of Jorhan, obviously) voted Jorhan, save Finnian, who voted not. Assuming a bad guy could kill on Night 1, but would not be allowed to do so for missing the vote (Roxy stated this clearly), it would seem very reasonable that one of our foes lies within that group, and would have been eager to vote with the masses and kill someone who was not their own.

If a person could kill on odd Nights but not even Nights, perhaps a bad guy would miss the second vote on purpose and have this to say for himself:

Finnian Metalfox wrote:

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, excellent work on the chart again, Shand! Very useful. I hadn't thought of your and Bac's voting records being so bad (no offense). And can Finnian explain why he's missed both polls? Obviously it hurts him more than us if he loses his NP for missing, but it's still curious

Because I'm a loser with no sense of time. (also I'm pretty busy, but moreso that last bit)

Here are the rest of Finnian's magnificent contributions:

Finnian Metalfox wrote:RIPIYWG y'all

Finnian Metalfox wrote::o!

As for suspicions of mine, I don't know yet haha. Maybe I could look.

And that is all. I am voting Finnian Metalfox.

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:Thank you Ameerah for that synopsis. Maybe it would be helpful to know why Laine is still pinged by Queran when he even admits the case against her/him was based on Jorhan being bad, which he of course wasn't. Laine, what else are you seeing there?

And thank you Gobnait for answering my question. I am starting to lean civv on you.

Gobnait Gingeruite wrote:Wow, excellent work on the chart again, Shand! Very useful. I hadn't thought of your and Bac's voting records being so bad (no offense). And can Finnian explain why he's missed both polls? Obviously it hurts him more than us if he loses his NP for missing, but it's still curious

And I forgot to say in my last post: Laine, who do you find suspicious? I'm curious to hear what you think.

Gaerwen Gleamingrace wrote:

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:So reading back and catching up, I noted a few little things, nothing big but enough to make a note of them for later.

First off, the only real topic of discussion on Day 1 was Rumpy and potential ways around his power. While I applaud discussion, and I think the back n forth was good, it inevitably led to one of the thing i hate about Day 1s which is that someone got lynched for something they said about a side topic which everyone seemed to admit could have been said by a civ.

With no real case or suspicion, it feels to me like the idea of finding someone in the Rumpy discussion to lynch would be a good move for the mafia, but more than that, a smart mafia would promote the idea in theory, let it take root, and then back away from it to avoid being attached to the lynch.

I don't have as much of an issue with the first part tbh. While it would certainly have been nice to have discussions on other topics, the fact that there was discussion at all is definitely much better than how many Day 1's have gone. I do agree with the second part though. It does strike me as a discussion that could have been mafia-led or mafia-influenced.

So I'll say that I've got my eye on Laine Crystalsteam. This progression of posts is ping-y to me. It's all promoting voting for people who had certain kinds of posts about Rumpy and then BAM, I'll just vote for this guy who said he'd vote for the lowest poster but then didn't quite vote for the lowEST poster. It smells.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I think I may vote for Gaerwen Gleamingrace, as I found it weird that he/she was against using foreign languages to circumvent Rumpelstiltskin's ability. I know it's not much of a reason, but it is Day 1 and that's all I have to go on.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:
I was against it as well, because it would have mad communication impossible.

Yes, I suppose you're right. It would be difficult. I just don't really have a reason for voting anyone.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:
I agree with what you said about Caillic. Seems like a good way to go. It is very odd that he/she would not try to find a way around the ability. If she/he is on Rumpelstiltskin's team and knows that there are consequences, he/she might be faking civvieness by alerting us to consequences from the hosts. Though, it's very tricky to get a read on people right now.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I am thinking of voting for Bac because he/she claimed that he was going to vote for the lowest poster, which is Etain Royalskull (0 in-game posts) but Bac voted for Jorhan Poisondart who had one post at the time.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:The Flying Satyrs have decided that our vote shall go to Bac Wunderelin, Rajah of the Twilight Pixies for his/her contradictions in his/her vote.

I do agree that Laine's vote was a bit odd. It sounded like he was trying to be very opportunistic and latch himself onto a vote for me. When I and whoever else it was (still trying to figure out names, but I think it was the elf guy. Starts with a 'D' I believe) mentioned the foreign languages thing might not be very effective, he seemed to drop his suspicion of me altogether. But to jump from me, to Caillic, to Bac the way you did, and have the "it's very hard to read people right now" disclaimer at the end of 2 of those seems disingenuine to me. Like you were trying to throw some random names out there for small pings and hope other people latched onto the idea.

My fellow Puppet Magicians and myself will keep a close on you today.

Bac Wunderelin wrote:

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:So reading back and catching up, I noted a few little things, nothing big but enough to make a note of them for later.

First off, the only real topic of discussion on Day 1 was Rumpy and potential ways around his power. While I applaud discussion, and I think the back n forth was good, it inevitably led to one of the thing i hate about Day 1s which is that someone got lynched for something they said about a side topic which everyone seemed to admit could have been said by a civ.

With no real case or suspicion, it feels to me like the idea of finding someone in the Rumpy discussion to lynch would be a good move for the mafia, but more than that, a smart mafia would promote the idea in theory, let it take root, and then back away from it to avoid being attached to the lynch.

So I'll say that I've got my eye on Laine Crystalsteam. This progression of posts is ping-y to me. It's all promoting voting for people who had certain kinds of posts about Rumpy and then BAM, I'll just vote for this guy who said he'd vote for the lowest poster but then didn't quite vote for the lowEST poster. It smells.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I think I may vote for Gaerwen Gleamingrace, as I found it weird that he/she was against using foreign languages to circumvent Rumpelstiltskin's ability. I know it's not much of a reason, but it is Day 1 and that's all I have to go on.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:
I was against it as well, because it would have mad communication impossible.

Yes, I suppose you're right. It would be difficult. I just don't really have a reason for voting anyone.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:
I agree with what you said about Caillic. Seems like a good way to go. It is very odd that he/she would not try to find a way around the ability. If she/he is on Rumpelstiltskin's team and knows that there are consequences, he/she might be faking civvieness by alerting us to consequences from the hosts. Though, it's very tricky to get a read on people right now.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I am thinking of voting for Bac because he/she claimed that he was going to vote for the lowest poster, which is Etain Royalskull (0 in-game posts) but Bac voted for Jorhan Poisondart who had one post at the time.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:The Flying Satyrs have decided that our vote shall go to Bac Wunderelin, Rajah of the Twilight Pixies for his/her contradictions in his/her vote.

After Dilan responded to my post, I thought about it and realised that Gaerwen and Dilan were right and that communicating in another language would not work, thereby negating my reason for the vote. I then looked and noticed the contradiction in Bac's vote and voted for him. I don't see anything wrong with that.

I do

I did not do so, I never mentioned "no shows"; I mentioned people who low posted. You extrapolated. You were reaching, very much so.

I must say I agree with Diedres analysis; I think Laine wanted to vote for me for whatever REAL reason s/he had, and made up a reason.

Dierdre Wonderbird wrote:So reading back and catching up, I noted a few little things, nothing big but enough to make a note of them for later.

First off, the only real topic of discussion on Day 1 was Rumpy and potential ways around his power. While I applaud discussion, and I think the back n forth was good, it inevitably led to one of the thing i hate about Day 1s which is that someone got lynched for something they said about a side topic which everyone seemed to admit could have been said by a civ.

With no real case or suspicion, it feels to me like the idea of finding someone in the Rumpy discussion to lynch would be a good move for the mafia, but more than that, a smart mafia would promote the idea in theory, let it take root, and then back away from it to avoid being attached to the lynch.

So I'll say that I've got my eye on Laine Crystalsteam. This progression of posts is ping-y to me. It's all promoting voting for people who had certain kinds of posts about Rumpy and then BAM, I'll just vote for this guy who said he'd vote for the lowest poster but then didn't quite vote for the lowEST poster. It smells.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I think I may vote for Gaerwen Gleamingrace, as I found it weird that he/she was against using foreign languages to circumvent Rumpelstiltskin's ability. I know it's not much of a reason, but it is Day 1 and that's all I have to go on.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:
I was against it as well, because it would have mad communication impossible.

Yes, I suppose you're right. It would be difficult. I just don't really have a reason for voting anyone.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:
I agree with what you said about Caillic. Seems like a good way to go. It is very odd that he/she would not try to find a way around the ability. If she/he is on Rumpelstiltskin's team and knows that there are consequences, he/she might be faking civvieness by alerting us to consequences from the hosts. Though, it's very tricky to get a read on people right now.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:I am thinking of voting for Bac because he/she claimed that he was going to vote for the lowest poster, which is Etain Royalskull (0 in-game posts) but Bac voted for Jorhan Poisondart who had one post at the time.

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:The Flying Satyrs have decided that our vote shall go to Bac Wunderelin, Rajah of the Twilight Pixies for his/her contradictions in his/her vote.

Bronwyn Mightyfeet wrote:The Vicerine has found the wine and is happy to share with the Archduke.

Mainchin Ironbeast wrote:

Miyuki Lovelymoth wrote:The imps wish their witch to vote for Mainchin Ironbeast. He first said he would probably vote randomly, then said he was ready to vote for the Lambboat, perhaps randomly? We can't know, because he gave no reason. He then voted for someone else for being a low poster.

He may not have been sure of what to do, but he has caught our eye with his indecisiveness, so we vote Ironbeast.

Not indecisive, sir. Decisive! I decisively decided not to vote randomly!

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:The Flying Satyrs have decided that our vote shall go to Bac Wunderelin, Rajah of the Twilight Pixies for his/her contradictions in his/her vote.

This seems like an awfully nitpicky thing to single out. It is likely Bac just clicked the thread to see who had the fewest posts. Since people with zero posts don't show up, it makes since that she would overlook Etain.

I realize this is the second time I've commented on your vote choice, and that voting on day one is hard, though, so I cannot say I blame you.

I do realise that it is nitpicky and you may be right but I have to vote for someone and considering it is day one, it seemed like as good a reason as any.

Dilan Bluemoss wrote:

Laine Crystalsteam wrote:The Flying Satyrs have decided that our vote shall go to Bac Wunderelin, Rajah of the Twilight Pixies for his/her contradictions in his/her vote.

This seems like an awfully nitpicky thing to single out. It is likely Bac just clicked the thread to see who had the fewest posts. Since people with zero posts don't show up, it makes since that she would overlook Etain.

I realize this is the second time I've commented on your vote choice, and that voting on day one is hard, though, so I cannot say I blame you.

Lyel Lambboat wrote:I'm sorry I haven't contributed more, I've been really ill and haven't felt well enough to contribute. I am feeling a little better today though.

As for suspects no one stands out, a few helpful people out there with bringing the usual day one suspicions to light, ie low posters. and listing who has to vote who which was helpful.

Someone said something about someone (sorry I forget who) about rumplestiltskin and his power, and how people sometimes subconsciously talk about their role, I have done this in the past, so know it happens when I've hosted I've seen players do it also. Whilst I'm not condemning the other person it is something to think about later in the game, if that person starts acting shifty or becomes more suspect.