The Syndicate

We lynch sonji after this.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 126993 wrote:Trust me on this one is all I ask.

You say that like it's not a lot to ask in a game like this.

It shouldn't have to be. But people are very ego centered.

ika wrote:

Silverwolf wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:I swear, we could absolutely know ika's alignment right now if SW would just take a hard 100% stance. It'd be plain as day. Come on, let's stop farking around and do it.

I'm 100% certain he's scum.

Those wanting me to vote him-all good things come to those who wait.

Im disappointed in you silver, i thought you knew me better than that. No im not scum and if you are 100% convinced of it im am greatly saddened that you are 100% convinced of this. I expected better then this form you.....

This myslynch is going to be 100% on you

pedit: yes she is wrong

Ya, this post by IKA is 100% scum.

Just went isoing

Prisoner 126993 wrote:I could explain why ika is the seemer, but doing so would be breaking game rules. Sorry, but post game, I'll be happy to lay out my reasoning on this and why soneji is most likely not the stool pigeon.

I also forgot if there is one scum, both dons, everyone wins. So if an Elochin lynch happens, I'm happy. Soneji needs to die tomorrow to eliminate all the scum but if you guys insist on chaindeath, town can still win.

Oh, and I'm town. I'm not scum trying to fool you. You don't have to believe me but it would be nice if I was listened to this time is all I'm asking.

Wouldn't nobody actually win due to nobody having win cons fulfuiled? Also could dons just lynch cop?

Ya know.... Does anyone still wonder what the mod "action" was?

I feel like that could explain a lot more. Still think silver was a stool pigeon.

813, could you case yourself?

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.

How come?

I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimming

Nope, you've already responded to it and everything.

I did?

Welcome to me, the person who hardly remembers or pays attention.

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.

How come?

I know you probably said it but I have been eating too so i might of missed it in skimming

Prisoner 606386 wrote: I've never said that she couldn't, just that I highly doubt it.

How come?

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?

From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?

No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.

And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?

Betting implies this is a luck-based disagreement when it isn't.

So you are admitting silver could be a stool pigeon?

Prisoner 606386 wrote: I'm not asking for more explanation, I just don't jive with the idea that it's pointless to ask questions or raise concerns. That's frightening to me.

We are at endgame, there shouldn't be much question. It should be a set of "ok these are town we don't touch" and lynch outside of that.

I mean, it's between 3 people everyone concluded. even if we lynch wrong, we get a prisoner out and the dons can't be touched. Cops can't win no matter what angle you take.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:Is that impossible?

From my perspective it's not impossible. How about your perspective? How likely do you feel that would be?

No idea, honestly. All I'm pretty sure about was that Silverwolf was not a stool pigeon. The rest is total uncertainty.

And I am sure she was. Want to take a bet on it?

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.

It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.

Why do you think what im saying is wrong?

I don't think what you're saying is wrong, I just think the answers you gave are incomplete and don't shed any new light on anything. I explained why I think your theory about silverwolf and ika is flawed and you did not address it, and your explanation of your Elohcin "suspicion" was completely void of any substance at all.

I addressed it in my bigger post, if there are flaws (ie the chance one) I should of already addressed it if i missed one quote it for me.

The suspicions of eloh is from the former me. For obvious reason, I can't say more.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.

It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?

This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.

How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?

It's alarming because when serious questions and concerns are brought up and you say that it doesn't matter or that it's pointless, it raises more concerns about your motives and/or possible bias.

I gave my answers. I can't say much else without breaking rules...

I have never been one to explain well.

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.

You think ika was a cop and you're full of typos.

Yes I think ika was a cop. He was seemer who tried to fake a stool pigeon to silver.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.

It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it?

This is what I mean when I talk about judgment being clouded...

...not that that has anything to do with you though, of course.

How so? I was just pointing to sloonei that there are so many more votes out right now that asking me something of the sort seems, pointless?

Know what's funny? Even if we lynch all the cops we still have the delmea of the dons in that they need to be dead for the other to win.

Sloonei wrote: Neither of these are satisfactory answers.

It's a good thing that it doesn't matter then does it? We still have more votes on them.

Why do you think what im saying is wrong?

Sloonei wrote:

Prisoner 419713 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.

Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh

Why?

Why?

I already explained the topic of why it makes sense. Yes if ika is the stool pigeon he's has a 1/10 shot in getting silver, but he built a narrative to act like that to her.

I've been suspecting him more then chain

Sloonei wrote:Boomslang/Enrique was the other flipped stool pigeon, for what it's worth. I'm not sure it's worth anything, just thought I'd bring it up.

Doesn't mean anything to me. Silver was a stool pigeon. Ika was seemer. Both reasons apply.

As for your question: Eloh

Prisoner 606386 wrote:Soneji might be a cop anyway but not because Silver was the stool pigeon.

Are you claiming to be the real one?

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Seeing as we've got two players seeming to claim that ika was the seemer, I'm willing to believe that he was, but I'm not sure who to believe is the real Daisy stool pigeon.

We have no reason to question Silverwolf's motives. She was arrested because she was town, and her perspective was an honest one. The only question to be asked is this one:

Did Silverwolf intend to convey to us that she was the real stool pigeon, and that was how she knew ika was the seemer? Or did she intend to convey to us that she knew ika was the seemer because she felt she could read him really well?

One of those arguments is obviously stronger than the other, and if it's the former then Soneji is a cop. I'll dig in after dinner.

Both reasons.

Sloonei wrote: I am not sure I understand what you mean. Could you explain? How did ika set himself up as the stool pigeon, and why did his arrest necessitate silverwolf's?

Sure, everyone (including silverwolf herself) was giving crap to ika about why he had no apparent paranoia to silverwolf herself. The stool pigeon is the perfect cover to hide that. Seeing how he would also never make an emotional manipulative post to silverwolf as town (it's a scum claim hands down if he does something like that to silver), after ika flipping stool pigeon, it would be most logical that if he was town, he was stool pigeoned to silver. Their relationship clouds nothing about their judgements. Also if ika made that kind of post he was probably expecting silver to treat it like a scum claim and when she didn't he probably broke down and was telling them to not leave silver. Also considering her reads before the arrest were dead on, I would not be surprised to see the arrest be due to her reads in conjoint with the ohter reasons.

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:

Prisoner 509378 wrote:

Prisoner 606386 wrote:I highly doubt that Silverwolf was the stool pigeon.

Why?

Are there any reasons to think she was the stool pigeon beyond her claiming to know ika was the seemer?

That alone is a decent reason. She was also totally insistent about it.

Are there any reasons not to that don't also apply to Soneji?

With most players that would be a decent reason, but given their relationship I don't think it is, especially because she was so insistent about it. Silverwolf and ika have proven themselves to be extremely insistent defenders of each other in multiple games, and while you could (and they often have) make the argument that their experience with each other helps back up their defense, I think their love clouds their ability to be objective with reading each other. Not a slight to them whatsoever, I'm just saying that I would take their reads of each other (and this includes role speculation) with a grain of salt at best.

I don't know about Soneji.

!00% disagree with this, ika was a seemer hands down. Its pretty clear that ika set himself up as stool pigeon to silver to fit his narrative and agenda he was playing. The moment he was gone, was the moment silver needed to be gone too.