The Syndicate

Well, on the bright side, I'm no longer insanified! On the dark side... everybody missed a vote. Which, presumably, will come with host punishments. That's a pretty big nuke by whoever did this. I doubt he'd punish us for missing that vote. I hope we get a rez vote soon - last time we got to get on...

What just happened? Did someone have a 'end the day immediately' item or something?

RIP SVS :-\
That sucks.

• Trusty John - [Grimm's Fairy Tales] – Is always valiant and has the Kingdom's best interest at heart. The first time he is targeted for a NK, he will survive and there will be two days in a row. The second time he dies. Presumably one of the folks that survived the kills last night did it by bein...

Flyin' High wrote: thellama73 - narrowed down to roles that aren't on Video Game Killers

I'm not sure I'm interpreting your strike correctly, but why can't llama be Fetus again?

I don't think I'll be free again before poll-close.
I still don't have anyone solid to vote for, and I still see some gain from lynching llama, either way.
Votes for llama.

Thats a really good question about Rumple and the word. It definitekly changes Nev's analysis about certain words as well. You would want to use a word that would be more unusual and others might not use as much if it did add votes for all of us. It might be worth looking at posts from all of the v...

I definitely feel good about SVS, FH, Lizzy, and now Bea.
I don't have any suspects aside from Llama now.
Epi was probably bad, so you shouldn't suspect BWT for voting for him.

Fetus almost certainly cannot be lynched yet, that's why we think it would be a waste of time.
Lynching him twice would probably prove he's fetus (cause surely he's not macguyver after all this without ever hinting at it), but that's all.
If he's Cohen of course, he has no teeth.

Unfortunately his lynch vote had a *lot* of voters, so his wincon requires about half the surviving players to die. If he is cohen. I think there's still a decent chance he's fetus. But as I said earlier - if we don't have anyone better to vote for, taking two turns to either kill llama or prove him...

DharmaHelper wrote:Can anyone make sense of the Goose/Llama portion of the NP?

I mean, it seems like it might be hinting that llama is macguyver, but that doesn't seem like something MP would just throw our way, not with real names in it.

I think that's reasonably likely as well, because none of the bits of the riddle turn up much on the internet. And I think the baddies *are* dwindling. Dev, Llama survived a lynch, not an NK. Unless I missed one? If he also survived an NK, he's almost certainly Cohen and unprotected. There are not a...

Does anyone have an opinion about doing the riddle in public?

Well, the hard to lynch baddies have to be killed sometime, and the other baddies/killers are unlikely to do it since while we are busy lynching the same guy a few times, we aren't lynching them. At this point, i am seeing more civvies than baddies, and THAT is bad. Or from another perspective, qui...

I don't know who I want to vote for today. llama is a possibility but someone (Nevin was this you?) convinced me so thoroughly that a lynch of llama was totally a waste, though I understand that it could give us some information. Probably. It gains us little, but it isn't a *total* waste. Vomps is ...

Not *100%*, but probably 90-95%. You have to read the roles and keep in mind what just happened to her. And ignore the 'killed herself' part until you see the rest - the phrase has multiple meanings. Our most probable remaining suspect is llama, but I don't know that it's worth lynching him yet. If ...

Scratch that last line, I forgot how the role worked.

Wow, that changes the landscape a bit. And it also explains how she could have 'killed herself' - I didn't think of the words that way before. Looks like its time to 'backpedal' (aka "change my opinion to fit the facts like a rational person") again. This makes it unlikely bea was bad, and...

Oh, before I forget again, here's the riddle from the post (ceasar cipher again): I am as shapeless as the waves of old unless under the torch of apollo. when I am born I am one but when I die I am many. Some call me a saint and others a sinner. Solve this riddle in time and you'll be the winner. Wh...

That theory about BDH has no facts, and was not presented as 'evidence', and relied on information that I can't share. Also I don't think it's likely either. But 'backpedaling'? Backpedaling is an entirely appropriate thing to do if you walk down a promising street, gain new information, and decide ...

None of my theories have been remotely outrageous, and I'm careful to state my level of confidence in each theory as I describe it. My "flip flopping" is nothing of the sort, though obviously it could seem that way if you aren't reading my meaning in those posts. I have acted in every case...

That is your game play style, but it is not everyones. Once MP had an entire hidden baddie team that was not in the secrets, mechanics or anywhere. They were just an actual secret. He has secret event style mechanics, and trigger mechanics that are not usually in the role list. Just becasue you don...

If anyone other than BDH has any questions for me I will be delighted to answer them as far as I'm able.
Or if he wants to ask any real ones, or make a real case of course I'll reply to that.
But I'm not really interested in trying to answer random mud slinging without any arguments or logic.

Well I can see this is about to get ugly. There's too much I'm not allowed to say in my own defense, so I'd love it if any of the people that have been paying attention could help out with that. After that response from BDH I consider the scenario I just posited much more likely than I would have ot...

BigDamnHero wrote: If you now believe Bea was good, then why did you just posit a theory in which you think she's bad again? IN fact, if you don't even believe in the words you wrote, why post it at all except to plant the idea in people's heads?

The numbers, of course.

Now I just have to hope enough of you have paid attention that he can't pull this off.

Yeah, that fits.

To be clear, what I am positing (and this has no kind of confidence, it's just the only story I can make fit all the data): Bdh read Beas role on accident. Bea Martell, bdh a civ. They call foul on themselves to MP, and the best way to not destroy the game is for one of them to bow out. MP lets bdh ...

Well that makes sense. They wouldn't have stopped the lynch if they though bea was going to die instead, huh? Wonder how bea could have died though - and who is bdh planning to avenge her on? I hope that wasn't my fault :-/ She doesn't seem bad to me any more, though that boggles my mind. I'm wonder...

Nev, if we ignore the killer indies for one or two days, while hunting for baddies, the latter WILL resort to NK'ing the suspected SK's because it's in their interest. I agree with this. I still don't follow. Would you mind explaining the logic here? As far as I can tell, the killer indies are moti...

How are baddies in a tight corner when there are 6 of them, with one team having 2 kills? Not to mention the fact that it is in the SK's interest to hunt baddies down at this point. And it is in the baddie's interest to spend a kill saving the civs the trouble since they're looking in the wrong pla...

And it's especially true that they wouldn't waste NK's on serial killers that civs *know* about (or significantly suspect) -
we'll lynch them ourselves eventually, it's certainly not in a baddies interest to spend a kill saving the civs the trouble.

Nev, if we ignore the killer indies for one or two days, while hunting for baddies, the latter WILL resort to NK'ing the suspected SK's because it's in their interest. Not likely at this point. The baddies are in a tight corner, and they *need* those extra kills right now. With all the killers chur...

So apparently people piled up on Vomps because there is some sort of evidence, which can very well be the result of illusory correlation, that he might be Jack. Now, in case you haven't noticed, Mr Butler made two successful NK offers, which ended in him gaining 2 (two) lynch stops. Let's assume, f...

Lol @ llama - you sound like that guy on witness in his own defense saying "You can't PROVE I did it! You can't prove anything!"
Maybe not, but this is a jury trial, and that's not really how those work.

I'd like to go on the record pointing out that I am *not* defending llama (no offense buddy), and think he probably is at the least a bad-leaning indy. My arguments have all surrounded the feasibility of lynching him, not the value of doing so. Since SVS has replied to each of those arguments with &...

I'm pretty sure I see what S~V~S is saying. And I think you're intentionally ignoring it. But I thought you were bad before this whole hullabaloo so this hasn't really changed anything for me. Is there some way you could clarify that would not out her? Because I'm still lost, and would love to unde...

ebwop: *band*, not bad.

To be honest, it feels to me like you are trying to steer the thread, and your reaction to someone, me, stepping out of line, is typical of that. So helpful as you have been, I can't say I totally trust you. I cannot visualize Sock Alex fashioning a game where one player can deduce all of the roles...

I'm glad you're here Nev. Someone I can reason with. Do you agree with me that, pending a Zodac result, the most logical explanation for Bea surviving and for her lynch vote begging is that she is one of the unlynchable, or limitedly lynchable roles? What do you think of timmer and Hedgeowl immedia...

On reread, the whole 'ignoring' thing sounds like a dick thing to say, and doesn't really mean what I was trying to get across anyway.
Sorry about that, I just meant I won't argue incessantly with you like I have been, because it's frustrating and a bit pointless.

ebwop: I will of course not ignore her reply to my questions of her.

But I am hearing SVS and what I am hearing is not, "I suspect, I believe" It is "I know." She would not be saying that if she did not know I agree, and I think she may very well have some info about llama. But that info must be consistent with his being *lynchproof*, and despite...

BDH's posts seem to give lots of people pause, but they vote anyhow. Good to know. And sometimes things happen that are not in the secrets. In socl games, like ALL THE TIME. What are we supposed to do, aside from doubt but continue on? He's given no reasons, arguments, logic, not even any hints. Ju...

BDH's posts do give me pause, because I can't think of a single reason for him to behave as he is.
But I've been able to say that a lot lately.
Hopefully at the end of the game someone will be able to explain wth has been going on.

Votes *bea*.

Damnit, double post (sorry for the double wall of text).

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying it seems to me that the time to burn through people's lynch protects is at the beginning of the game. When is the right "later" time to go after someone you think is likely bad? linki - juliets - I caught that - I woke up late - am used to subtra...

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying it seems to me that the time to burn through people's lynch protects is at the beginning of the game. When is the right "later" time to go after someone you think is likely bad? linki - juliets - I caught that - I woke up late - am used to subtra...

* I'll believe Nev about voting Llama being a fruitless endeavor. For today. You 'believe' me? It's pure logic, there is no hidden information or claims of personal recognition of subtle cues. All there is, in my opinion, is: We lynched him, and he didn't die. That piece of information limits his l...

Noticed today that SVS can't be Jack - she was dead when he posted his message on night 2.
Thought I should throw that out there - I am therefore confident that she's a civ,
though I still have no idea why she's voting or behaving the way she is.

Here are the things i find looking back at llama. Again, if I left anything out or misrepresented what anyone said please speak up. 1. Accuses DH of squashing discussion because he (DH) wants to discuss other options other than inh. 2. When Bullz says the same thing about inh llama agrees with it 3...

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