The Syndicate

And to anyone, where are we with vote strategy? Am I good to vote now? I saw in my readback that there were some times where people wanred votes done a certain way, but I didn't always follow the logic. I'd like to vote Bea soon as I'll be hsading out for the day in about an hour. Unkess BDH can sh...

BigDamnHero wrote:There aren't many people right now I can declare as a civ, but IMO the following people are civs:

Bea
Devin
DFaraday
DHelper
Lizzy (duh)

My list of baddies is even shorter:
BWT
Llama
Vompatti

Would you like to give an explanation, or is 'declaring' as far as you're interested in going?

In re-reading I decided to sum up what I found in relation to bea's possibly being bad as i reviewed the thread. Counterpoints have been made to many of these points but my intent was just to pull together in one place all the things that people have brought up as evidence that bea is bad. Let me k...

As to your second point, you're right, I did vote for you. And I still think you're probably bad. But I also think you're probably unlynchable at the current time and therefore not where I want to place my vote today. @DH: Vompatti as Jack makes a ton of sense and would explain how he survived the ...

I wouldn't hate a vomps lynch based on DH's investigation, but he *will* survive at least one more lynch. I still think the Bea/Juliets lead is the strongest we have, and would much prefer to lynch either of them (who should not be able to avoid the lynch). I am curious though - does grady still get...

and sorry Nevin~ I guess I am a bit over sensitive after the way this game started for me but no matter what fancy analyses you produce, I know in my heart that Llama is bad. No worries - I didn't agree with any of that for what it's worth. You've always seemed a rational player, and distrusting in...

There is so much "*wink wink nudge nudge* you know my role eh eh. It's obvious right?" That I am clearly missing some obvious points, or no it's not that obvious or just people trying to sound like they are a civ and we should all know which one. I def need to spend some time with roles a...

Surely you're willing to consider the possibility that only one or two members of the team used the Rumpel word instead of the whole team doing so? When we were in Grimms mafia and the role was slightly different (allowing us to control the votes of people that used the word) sometimes one or more ...

Nev harkening back to what you said about shoehorning words into posts to fulfill the Rumpelstiltskin thing, what do you think of SD's cold feet comment? Is it not odd to anyone else that she threw that in there? Maybe she was being a cheeky baddie and used "socks" as the word of the day?...

I need to go read to my girl, I'll be back for a bit later. Please don't take this bait, everyone else - llama could totally be fetus, I won't deny it, but lynching him would serve no purpose at this point in the game. Maybe once we don't have obvious baddies to lynch it'd make more sense to wear do...

You are replying to fairly basic logic with ranting - you 'know' that llama is bad? That's possible. He could be Fetus, though I don't really think so. You could even *know* it, depending on your role. But he couldn't be any other baddie, because he survived the lynch. So you want to lynch him again...

i think llama is pretending to be insanified, which would imply he is trying to distance himself from his prior non lynch. I thought i was being exceedingly clear. He made a production of someone else posting in sarcasm, although it has been confirmed that he was supposed to be posting in sarcasm h...

(delbert also doesn't matter, because Jack has the kill, not him. And lynching fetus or macguyver is of course pointless)

The reason I'm confused is that it sounds like you're making out that he *did* receive a pm telling him to post in poetry form, but that he is lying about whether it included a clause that he needed to post in orange. I don't see any possible motivation for a lie, and find a mistake or misread far m...

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 725#p54725

There is the link where llama says he doesn't know about 'orange'.
It does not read like he is 'adamant' that he didn't receive that pm.

AND LLAMA LIED ABOUT RECEIVING IT> WE KNOW THAT. You are claiming however that he was only pretending to have received the post? Could you please, in careful terms, describe what you are asserting about llama? links to the relevant posts would be helpful. Because perhaps I'm dense, but you seem to ...

Linki~ the PM was sent to 2 people. Not sure what you are asking? As I understand it, Devin received a pm to write in poetry style, and use orange text. He states that llama was CC'd on that pm, and should have known to use orange text. http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=280&...

Again, I ask you - If he lied about receiving that pm, *how did dev see that he was CC'd on it?*.

Don't get me wrong - I'd rather see a llama lynch than most other players at this point. But I really feel we should follow the bea/juliets thing up first. We *know* that lynching llama will not immediately accomplish anything - either he's immune to lynches, or he has at least one lynch save left. ...

I reread Llama, i reread the case against him from several days ago (remember? He had 10 votes and did not die?) and find it solid, and in light of Devin saying he had the same PM as Llama where orange WAS required, and Llama said that he had not been required to use orange, right after trying to i...

Nevin, don't you mean to say in your above examples that IN YOUR OPINION 'specific' is extraneous, and IN YOUR OPINION 'specific' was added after the fact (which it most certainly was not, that is the way I talk and write) and IN YOUR OPINION the fourth one could have been phrased differently? I ca...

I'd like to add that I paid specific attention to words that seems a little bit forced, like someone was trying to work them into a sentence instead of just letting them flow out. That's why 'supper' got my attention, but the others also felt a bit unsmooth in places, like "Now that you mentio...

You went from no reason to doubt to sure I was baddie because i said 'specific', 'accidentally', and 'love'? Those words were not said for any Rumple reason, they are natural parts of my speech especially specific, specifically, and love. There is no way to disprove your thought and I actually appl...

Wow, this is a lot to take in, but great work on the word analysis, Nev. I want to reread Bea, FH and Juliets today in the light of this and I will post any thoughts I have aout them. Right now, though, I could get behind a Bea lynch. I do not like lynch begging at all. I feel like I never see civs...

2. now you're blaming Percy for accepting the butler's offer. There is no offer because Jack has been found. He kinda killed Russti. Penny could've found MacGyver and Percy borrowed his NK, but it failed because BWT is in fact civ. That is one other possibility. Excellent point here - I had forgott...

I'd like to add that I paid specific attention to words that seems a little bit forced, like someone was trying to work them into a sentence instead of just letting them flow out. That's why 'supper' got my attention, but the others also felt a bit unsmooth in places, like "Now that you mention...

Holy crap, that was a lot of death. Jack is clearly out now.. Epig was incinerated? Who can do that? The only thing I could think of is a plasmid? I hate to say it with so many dead folks lying around, but that was a *good* night. I did some investigation on a new angle that I'm surprised none of us...

That post doesn't sound like a lynch save to me, it sounds more like a tie. Which would just mean Thomas voted for epig If I read correctly, that ought to mean Zodac has to pick which of the two is lynched? >If bea is bad, I think she's either on the other mafia team or the minion (or both?). I'm st...

I don't trust this vomps-wagon going on. I don't think he's a terrible suspect, but I think a lot of the people voting for him are voting that way because he's not defending himself, which means its safer. I've run out of time to wait for Epi's analysis, so I'm going to have to vote on the little ev...

My direction won't be, but I'll probably be accused of "Casting a wide net." :rolleyes: Given what I said about INH voters on Day 2, I think a number of villains would hide there. I'm going to start with that data, compare it to the information attained thus far, and sniff out the vote po...

I'm going to try to wait to hear at least from Epig before voting - hopefully he'll turn up something useful. I can't vote for Bea, so I guess we get to see tonight if there's a Bob kill. I rather suspect she might skip the kill and wait to see what MP does, since it would *guarantee* a lynch the ne...

Epignosis wrote:The "direction" is a certain methodology, not a specific person.

Ah, I apologize then.
Would your direction be harmed by explaining?

It's possible I misinterpreted your previous post - it sounded like you were saying you had talked yourself into voting for me today. Since I was the only person referenced in your post, and you said "I think I just talked myself into a certain direction for today's vote" I'm not sure who ...

thellama73 wrote:
ADDICTEDTOTHESHINDIG do not think bird is bad
I do not think Nev is bad
I think Epi might be bad
And that surveying me very sad

Yeah, I can't imagine he doesn't know I'm not a baddie,
and pretending not to realize definitely seems to characterize him that way :-\

Lynching Media PERIOD is in the bad guys' best interest, is it not? A bad guy would be all over the Media lynch because it would: 1) Keep attention off of himself, and 2) Waste a lynch on someone who is not on his team, thereby 3) Ensuring the use of their powers at Night (like killing). On day 1, ...

Draw what out? The lynching of inh - drawing out a lynch to take three days instead of two is definitely in the baddies best interests, though it's not necessarily something a civ wouldn't do. That wasn't a NO U. That was me demonstrating that your reason for possibly voting me was, at best, poorly...

So according to you: On Day 2, what I was saying about Zodac had a lot of "tactical merit." On Day 6, what I was doing was trying to save Media and I should be lynched for that. There's nothing inconsistent about that, aside from the way you rephrased my opinions in the bit I quoted. What...

Lizzy wrote:Dom voted for Elo to bear the shield.

It was already obvious who would win the shield at that point.
Getting some deniability would be a totally rational action.

Lizzy wrote:What if he 'forgot' to send the pm and there are no minions?

I very much doubt that. Very much.

ebwop: *lynchable* suspects.

When I uttered the name as I did, I did not believe he was Media. At the time, people were trying to come up with a (very distracting) system that included nicknames and other business. Having borne witness to that utter foolishness in Lost Mafia, I pulled the trigger so we could all move on. I'm n...

I'm not sure how convenient that would have been since the only civ role that would allow her to survive is Penny. John is out, and they didn't know Meat Boy's secret at the time. Villager's protege & Mr Henderson? Unlikely. I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. I'm claiming that they co...

I don't think Bea is a baddie. She's obviously not one of the video game baddies, and I don't she's a manipulator either because... well, I don't think she would have allowed Matt to act the way he did before he was modkilled, and knowing him, I'm pretty sure he would not have acted like that in th...

• Catherine Martell - [Twin Peaks] – Owner of the Packard Mill, and the wife of Pete. Also having an affair with Ben. Can control what role she is shown as when lynched. Actually, that might not be the case. MP: I'm guessing that the night polls don't count as lynches - would Martell still be able ...

Epignosis wrote:All I meant was that voting for you as the least participatory player would not mean anything, since the outcome is up to Zodac.

I think Zodac has been demonstrating an intent to obey the majority will in general, so I wouldn't assume that my vote in the night polls means nothing.

bea wrote: honestly -all it would accomplish is that I would be proven that I was a) a civ and b) not the recruit. I have to admit - after so many days of being accused of this - I just kinda want to be proven to be as true as I know I am.

Kind of the problem is that it would prove no such thing.

Because I feel like my gender mistake is throwing people off a bit, here is a summary of my morning: First I talked to bea, and agreed to go back and look at BWT's posts and voting history in this post: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=280&start=2700#p54432 Then after re...

And specifically that her team thinks that getting rid of me is worth the loss of one already-suspected team member.

Boomslang wrote: ...I have no idea what's going on. Bea's tone change was a complete 180, and if she's not even on the poll, it's just a huge distraction thrown up. But usually, these "lynch me, it'll be great" gambits feel bad to me.

My guess is that she's Martell.

good luck with that. Lynch me and prove yourself wrong. Are you the minion? or are you the creeper? or are you Grady? in any way - you are so very recently so threatened by me. for a few days now you've been at the *very* least on the fence about me. Now that I'm going after people you are way more...

Eh? This post reaches the opposite conclusions about what I was trying to accomplish. I used OK Computer's name two dozen times to get people to stop going on about him and focus on finding a villain rather than an eccentric independent that could have been contained and ignored. I don't know why y...

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