The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: A pity I didn't spend my money more wisely. And I had a lot of it.

I had about 2400 when I died. If I'd been careful I could've been unlynchable at the end. How much did everyone else have? If I sent someone cash it basically meant I liked things they were saying or was trying to hint to them. I sent Snow money on night one to apologise for the random vote during the day, and TH (maybe Dom too?) got some for defending Boogs.

I think that's about what I had (partially thanks to you), in terms of gold.


HEDGIE WHY DID YOU HAVE TO HAVE A DAGGER WHYYYY WHYYY AHHH WHY
I WORKED SO HARD THIS GAME AHHHHH

Dom wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Why am I on the poll?

A mistake

If INH gets to be on the poll, I want to be on there too!

Hehehe. :sheepishgrin:

llama, you can be on the next poll if you want.

Russ, if Llama gets to be on the poll, can I come back and be immune to lynches and NKs?

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 has been lynched. He was Gandalf.

Of a Took.

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:Oops, Hedge is dead too. Man, this game has been a bloodbath lately. She is not awarded any Gold, obviously. Thanks also to Dom and Spaghetti for entering!

That means I get first place gold, especially since my sister is the one who took the picture and made Hedge's entry possible.

Dom wrote:

It was fun while it lasted. I snicker at you, Logan!

Can't wait to talk post-game!

Word.

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Wow, great result TH voters.

Do people think it more or less likely that TH 1.0 was civ and then replaced in bad or was bad and the last Moria and replaced in bad again? I can't really decide, because it still seems likely there is one left on the other team.

Why does it still seem likely there is one left on the other team?

kneel4justice wrote:Here's where my head is at though I can't say I am confident on anyone, because I see pros and cons.


Lizzy: I thought her suspicion of me was genuine in the beginning, thinking she wouldn't go at me the way she was if she was mafia, but she could have been scum and thought I was on the other team. Her reasons for suspecting me were shady to me, when I said I think I know who I'm voting for but I waited to see and then didn't end up voting and revealed their name at a later time when asked (Epi).

Hedgie: I am missing those posts where she threatens to look at the top posters. I saw one in the very beginning but I don't remember seeing much else. One thing I feel is in character is that she thinks there is a scum between Llama/Epi.

TH 2.0: He's just been very quiet. I looked back and he posted a bit more opinions so I'm not sure how to feel but for someone who came back into the game I expected him to have much more to say, he was very valuable before he was killed.

Boogs: I think I was gone when the suspicion started and I never was really able to follow it. But I saw a post that outlined how he was suspicious and it seemed reasonable. I don't think I've invested enough to actually place a vote there but I can't argue with Boogs being a lynch possibility.

INH: I've spoke about this, he was more suspicious in the early stages and in relation to FZ.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Jesus, Boogs, if you figured you might have needed your vote to save yourself, why did you vote for Spacedaisy so early?

I am wondering this myself considering he's had people voting for him for a while now.

i had something longer typed up but ipad died.

if AP needs a replacement then I'll vote there and give Boogs a chance. His frustration seems legit, but I am not sure how I feel about all this.

votes AP

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Ebwop: fixed the quotes.

Just barely caught in time. K4j I responded already to some of your questions, but I will dig up the post again. Our voting records are the same 3 days as Mongoose pointed out I believe.

I have been feeling pretty good about Llama this game, but this did make me wonder.

thellama73 wrote:I am a little suspicious of Hedge myself, but am not feeling the TH case. I guess we will see what happens.

It's only after k4j expresses concern you think I may be suspicious?

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:
llama, I re-read your posts and didn't see anything about Snow Dog from earlier in the game. I just want to clarify whether there is anything prior to these posts that came after the lynch that amplified your suspicion of Snow Dog. I'm asking because I'm trying to determine the whole case on Snow Dog - whether it is just this latest or there were earlier actions as well that contributed. I re-read him this morning and didn't see anything that jumped out at me.

Also, in my readback I was reminded you were going to look at Hedgie to see if you could identify what was making you feel squirrely. Any luck there?

I didn't really have an opinion of Snow Dog prior to last night. His post following the killings was a strong enough ping for me, especially in the absence of other strong suspects, to convince me that we had caught him in something. This was corroborated by other people I generally trust feeling the same way.

I did reread Hedgeowl, and while I feel she has been a little blendy lately, I didn't see anything that stood out to me, and her vote record is really good, so I am reserving judgement there for now.

Whereas here you didn't find a reread concerning. So which is it?

As for TH as a Moria goblin, that was something I posited. It was either him, Juliets or someone completely absent. Considering the other goblin team hasn't been killing every night it seems most likely that we have one absent Moria left.

I am going back and forth, but I think of the snow vs TH voters I feel the most comfortable with snow voters. It seems a little strange that Snow said

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:Snow Dog, I'm curious as to why you won't answer dom's question about who you thought was shady. Your answer, as I saw it, was I don't know. I'm hoping that was just a heat of the moment answer and you can either explain who at the time you thought was shady or explain why you won't tell us. I just don't understand I guess but it is bothering me.

Like I said, I don't know. But let me expand.

Someone said there were shady characters amongst the boogs voters and asa boogs voter myself and a believer that he was bad (though having some doubts at this stage) I hit back by saying there weres omeshady voters amongst thev Ap voters. It didn't really mean anything otherthanI presumede that there wereb withnoonespecificin mind.

AnywayIamre3ally busy with visitorsb coming so will probs not rspond much more

But then has been here till the very end defending himself.

Votes Snow

Lies. I said I suspected you before.

fingersplints wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Yes. I don't. Not sure why that is questionable. I didn't have much time before the vote was over. That isn't really debatable. To the second point there isn't much to say to that. I have been busier then normal lately and when I try to post I get pulled away. Not really being around one day is hardly just showing up to vote though. I've also been playing pretty much only by phone, so that's why I am not breaking apart your quotes as well.

Just you had any suspicion of TH? How do you account for all the other votes he received then.

Why is it weird to not want to split the votes anymore? There could be an entire baddie team out there and who knows what vote manipulations.

Overall I feel better about those who voted Snow Dog, and others case on him. You for sure weren't the only one so not sure what you are trying to take credit for. You didn't follow through on that case and vote him.

You exact wording was "a lot of people jumping up with suspicions of TH." I was the only one who "jumped up" with suspicion on TH. The only other person who said anything about him early on was k4j (and that was mainly just because he was quiet).

But your next line implied you refused to vote for TH because I made the case, even though I (and Dom) led the case on Snow Dog too. The fact that you showed up yesterday to vote and realized you had another 24 hours but popped up around the same time today to vote, and the only reasons you gave for voting Snow Dog over TH was, 1) Someone you suspect made a case on TH (who also made a case against Snow Dog), and 2) You didn't want to spread the vote "further" (which a cursory glance at the poll would show was a non-issue) all suggest to me that you're not actually keeping up with the thread.

It makes me think you are being disingenuous.

TH received 7 votes today. I don't see why it isn't reasonable to you that some would view that a suspicion coming up out of nowhere. I don't know what mentioning it early matters. When I said that TH had several votes, so more than just you and k4j had mentioned him at this point.

I really don't get where you are going with the not keeping up with the thread bit. I apologized already for not being around much this day period. I don't know why you are picking it apart so much when there are several players less active then me.
I didn't have much time to post and lay out several reasons. that doesn't make my reason not true. I don't trust you. Plain and simple. I think you are bad. So, no, I don't want I follow you.

You can say that it was a non issue but I disagree. I don't know all the secrets that are out there nor do you. What exactly are you trying to argue with this point? Do you disagree that baddies are more able to manipulate split votes?

thellama73 wrote:I am a little suspicious of Hedge myself, but am not feeling the TH case. I guess we will see what happens.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:
llama, I re-read your posts and didn't see anything about Snow Dog from earlier in the game. I just want to clarify whether there is anything prior to these posts that came after the lynch that amplified your suspicion of Snow Dog. I'm asking because I'm trying to determine the whole case on Snow Dog - whether it is just this latest or there were earlier actions as well that contributed. I re-read him this morning and didn't see anything that jumped out at me.

Also, in my readback I was reminded you were going to look at Hedgie to see if you could identify what was making you feel squirrely. Any luck there?

I didn't really have an opinion of Snow Dog prior to last night. His post following the killings was a strong enough ping for me, especially in the absence of other strong suspects, to convince me that we had caught him in something. This was corroborated by other people I generally trust feeling the same way.

I did reread Hedgeowl, and while I feel she has been a little blendy lately, I didn't see anything that stood out to me, and her vote record is really good, so I am reserving judgement there for now.

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:Snow Dog, I'm curious as to why you won't answer dom's question about who you thought was shady. Your answer, as I saw it, was I don't know. I'm hoping that was just a heat of the moment answer and you can either explain who at the time you thought was shady or explain why you won't tell us. I just don't understand I guess but it is bothering me.

Like I said, I don't know. But let me expand.

Someone said there were shady characters amongst the boogs voters and asa boogs voter myself and a believer that he was bad (though having some doubts at this stage) I hit back by saying there weres omeshady voters amongst thev Ap voters. It didn't really mean anything otherthanI presumede that there wereb withnoonespecificin mind.

AnywayIamre3ally busy with visitorsb coming so will probs not rspond much more

thellama73 wrote:I am a little suspicious of Hedge myself, but am not feeling the TH case. I guess we will see what happens.

thellama73 wrote:[quote="juliets"
llama, I re-read your posts and didn't see anything about Snow Dog from earlier in the game. I just want to clarify whether there is anything prior to these posts that came after the lynch that amplified your suspicion of Snow Dog. I'm asking because I'm trying to determine the whole case on Snow Dog - whether it is just this latest or there were earlier actions as well that contributed. I re-read him this morning and didn't see anything that jumped out at me.

Also, in my readback I was reminded you were going to look at Hedgie to see if you could identify what was making you feel squirrely. Any luck there?

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:Snow Dog, I'm curious as to why you won't answer dom's question about who you thought was shady. Your answer, as I saw it, was I don't know. I'm hoping that was just a heat of the moment answer and you can either explain who at the time you thought was shady or explain why you won't tell us. I just don't understand I guess but it is bothering me.

Like I said, I don't know. But let me expand.

Someone said there were shady characters amongst the boogs voters and asa boogs voter myself and a believer that he was bad (though having some doubts at this stage) I hit back by saying there weres omeshady voters amongst thev Ap voters. It didn't really mean anything otherthanI presumede that there wereb withnoonespecificin mind.

AnywayIamre3ally busy with visitorsb coming so will probs not rspond much more

Russtifinko wrote:

Event Links

Evening 0
Day 1
Day 1 Lynch -- MP -- Necromancer
Night 1
End of Night 1 -- no one died
Day 2 Lynch -- FZ. -- Goblin Sapper (Moria Goblins)
Night 2
End of Night 2 -- Kylemii's Death (Moria Goblins)
Day 3
Day 3 Lynch -- Elohcin -- Bolg's Warg
Night 3
End of Night 3 -- TH's Death (Smaug) and juliets's Death (Misty Mountains Goblins)
Day 4 Lynch -- no one
Night 4
End of Night 4 -- Dom's Death (Spiders) and DP's Death (Smaug)
Day 5 -- Turnip Head 2.0 Joins
End of Day 5 -- Mongoose's Lynch (Bilbo Baggins)
Night 5
End of Night 5 -- reywaS's Death (Smaug) and DFaraday's Death (Misty Mountains Goblins)
Day 6
End of Day 6 -- Vompatti's Lynch (Thorin Oakenshield)
Night 6 -- no one died
Day 7
End of Day 7 -- Boogs' Lynch -- Wood Elf Gaoler
Night 8
End of Night 8 -- Leamiteo's Death (Smaug) and >SpaghettiEverywhere's Death (Misty Mountains Goblins)

Epignosis wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:The Epi-Dom post gave me lulz. Since Snow Dog was bringing up next moves, he seems to have become the target of everyones focus. How do you all feel about CBK and other Boogs voters in light of the result?

I agree Snows recent posts dont read well, but I am also curious why 4 people suddenly jumped on it at once.

Some thoughts to consider in light of who Boogs was. As for the Elves we dont know whether they are indy, civ, or baddie at this point. The Wood elf points seem to be the determining factor. What I am curious about is if baddies are told if the wood elves can only win with them or not and at what point. That alliance would be greatly worrisome, but I tend to think that wouldnt be the case now in the game. What do others think re: wood elves?

That they'll probably try to win with the civs like every other neutral team ever has because it's nearly impossible to coordinate a victory with baddies when you don't know who they are and they're busy trying to kill you since they don't know your role or intentions. I don't think the neutrals are a threat, but if I were one I wouldn't be inclined to help CBK or Snow right now. I'd rather worry about the actual baddies. Besides, if people start hunting down the neutrals in the thread then they're definitely going to not want to win with the civs are they?

I think the elves are civ friendly. In any game, like you said, it makes more sense for them to help the civvies. Then you add in this game started off with three baddie lynches lol Makes no sense to assume they are hostile at this point. As long as we don't lynch anymore I think they will keep helping us
linki: RIPIYWG Leamiteo and >SpaghettiEverywhere

More strange talk.

I have already discussed the elves. It makes the most sense that they would strive to remain independent and thus able to win with anyone. Unfortunately for them, the Elf king gives Elf points (along with gold) to a player. Not a role. Not a faction. A player. Barring the influence of secrets, this means they do not know how their alignment is shifting until (presumably) they are told.

And this...

( )

fingersplints wrote:I think the elves are civ friendly.

I don't. The elves don't know who the civilians are. No one does.

fingersplints wrote:In any game, like you said, it makes more sense for them to help the civvies.

Why? Given the choice, I'd help the Mafia. You can't coordinate with the Mafia but you can't coordinate with the civilians either. But at least the Mafia a) know each other, and b) have a kill.

Again, however, the elves don't have a knowledgeable choice.

fingersplints wrote:Then you add in this game started off with three baddie lynches lol Makes no sense to assume they are hostile at this point.

lol, Because there's only one team of Goblins.

fingersplints wrote:As long as we don't lynch anymore I think they will keep helping us

Name: ____________
Date: ____________
Period: ___________

1. Who is "us?"

2. How have the elves helped "us?"

3. How do the elves know who "us" is?

4. Why do you assume such a they will continue to help "us" if "we" don't lynch anymore of them?

Bonus question: How do you know how to not lynch an elf?

Turn in your paper by the end of the period. Be sure to use complete sentences and back up your response with evidence from the text.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I guess this means that Boogs was lying about his elf drink silencing after all. Funny, that unnecessary lie is what did him in.

That had nothing to do with why I found him suspicious originally.

Epignosis wrote:Jesus, Boogs, if you figured you might have needed your vote to save yourself, why did you vote for Spacedaisy so early?

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Russti needs all his time to come up with ways to give out gold. )

This is so true. <--- Rich Uncle Pennybags, this time.

No, that's me.

So are you saying you're the source of all the gold Russti's been handing out? Only one reason I can see for that. Rich Uncle Smaug!

Well, I have been quite the bounty for certain goblin thieves. How I hate them.

thellama73 wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Russti needs all his time to come up with ways to give out gold. )

This is so true. <--- Rich Uncle Pennybags, this time.

No, that's me.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Boogs wrote:I have a quick second to check in luckily. Okay, so because I decided to try Elohcin over Spacedaisy even though I said I suspect her as well, that makes me bad today? Interesting. Also, if the people who voted on me suspect me as bad, are you suggesting I am on the same Goblin team as MP? That's funny if so. I don't see how me voting second in the poll automatically diverts attention from players who have been talked about the past week and onto me all of a sudden because I choose to vote someone else based on good thread evidence Epignosis and others have made about Elohcin. I have waited on Daisy because I found her argument something to consider about why she would have helped get rid of 2 teammates (MP and FZ) when she would now be alone with just 1 person. I think when I first assumed after Day 1's result, it felt like that was what Mp was doing by throwing her under. But then with FZ gone also, it does make me original idea fade and not logical. That is why I am trying Elohcin today, I am considering again Daisy and Mongoose possibly being bad teammates like K4J is trying to say and I'm not sure if Elohcin is on that team or MP's.

This "Boogs bandwagon" Vompattii stated he jumped on pings me some about him also when Epignosis and I are the only ones who had voted and it feels he is trying to start one.

First of all, who said you're suspected because you switched your opinion of Daisy? No, seriously, I couldn't figure out who said that.

Secondly, no one said you were on MP's team (unless I missed that too). I think it's funny that you're defending against an imagined accusation.

Thirdly, if you switched to Elo due to "good thread evidence," you never said so before this. You switched because you believe Epi (or at least that's what you said).

Boogs wrote:As said earlier, I have to vote tonight because I may/may not be able to check tomorrow. I'm going to try to take a chance and believe Elohcin to be on the other Goblin team. (votes Elohcin) here's to us getting 3 baddies in a row!

Boogs wrote:Hmmm you think they are on the other team? Something to consider. Thanks for trying to tell us your suspicions for today. Epignosis seems to feel strongly that Elohcin is bad... But idk. If he knows his wife as well as he says, it's worth a try I suppose. I still feel something is going on with SD if not MP's teammate, then possibly on the other Goblin team. She just pings me and I can't play my finger quite on it.

[Despite your own suspicion for Daisy which you have your own original (I think?) thoughts on.]

Boogs wrote:

kneel4justice wrote: Moh.
Elose? Mose. Mooh. Mooongose? Mongoh.
Same?
Same.
Elongose.
Same?
Elongoh.
Same?
Eloose.
Eloh.
Same? Mose? Mongoh.
Elose.
Eloose.
Eloh.
Elose?
Same?
Elose. Moh. Mongongoh.
Same? Moh.
Same?
Same.
Elose?
Elose.
Elongongongongose? Moh. Moose?
Same?
Same?
Elose.
Elongoooh.
Elongoongose? Mose. Moh.
Same.
Elose? Mose?
Eloh. Mongoh.
Elongose.
Same. Mose.
Same? Moh.
Elose? Mooh. Mongongose. Mose.
Elongoh.
Same? Moose? Mose? Moh.
Same. Moh.
Elongongongooh.
Elose. Mongose. Mongose.

I'm guessing you are trying to tell us you think Mongoose and Elohcin are on the same team?

Is this the good thread evidence you recognized before this?
Because before that you thought the a vote on Elo was suspicious.

Boogs wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Nice work FZ voters. I've never seen a game start this well before.

Does anyone still agree with me that the bandwagon was a bit odd though?

I definitely do. It was all crazy back and forth all of a sudden for both FZ and K4J. Keeping my eyes open

Two things that struck me as odd during this lynch were:
a) I felt like the Elohcin thing was kind of random and I'm surprised people voted for her. Just because she randomized? Idk.. Felt weird to me.

B) BWT vote on himself... It just stood out odd as hell to me when there were names out there that deserved suspicion and he voted himself. I saw Bea recently do that when I hosted Pokemon, but she was Indy still so I don't know if that tells me something about BWT being Indy also, or him being bad and not wanting to get his hands dirty. Just rubbed me the wrong way honestly. I didn't see anyone else I believe mention his vote.

But let's go back and look at the record (Just click on Boogs's in topic. It's only one page.)

First you voted randomly (and I admit you said it was random) for k4j.

MP was lynched, and then you said he pinged you... after he was dead.

Then you picked the one easy target from MP's personal fireball of doom, the unexplained and sudden vote on Daisy. This suspicion had already been discussed before MP went down, but this is the first you mention it, after MP flips bad.

Then you said almost nothing (except a video) until FZ went down. Conveniently, you claimed in your next post that you had been pinged by both Daisy and FZ, which, again, you had never said before. And, in fact, you didn't vote at all that time.

Then you responded to MM's comment about the crazy k4j/FZ pile up (seen above) with the Elo comment and a ping by a self-voter (another understandable, though easy, target).

Then you said, "Cool, JC, I get the Elo thing now." (paraphrase).

Then Epi eyed you for your bogus-looking claim of a FZ suspicion, and other people picked up on it (Juliets and Lizzy). You said it was elves drink causing an effect that we no the wood elf gaoler can cause, but if it's true of the drink, we don't know. But you stuck with your story (I gotta give you that).

Then you agreed with TH's noting how MP and FZ interacted with Daisy, according to INH's chart. I feel the need to quote that one.

Boogs wrote: I felt that way too before and after MP's lynch in particular. I think he was throwing her under the bus to distance himself. She's still on my radar for possibly getting my vote today. I also have to consider some last minute voters on the back and forth votes with FZ and K4J. I think there was some initial saving possibly from the other Goblin team for K4J possibly also. Will examine it when I get free time during work today and decide who I want to cast a vote for after that.

Wait, what? You felt that way about Daisy before MP's lynch? You never even voiced any suspicion of him until afterwards. Yet you theorized that he was throwing a baddie teammate under the bus? An event you never took note of until after his lynch?

Odd. Very very odd.

And this is why I don't do this often, I'm too freakin detailed. And this isn't even my only suspicion, but I try to answer when someone asks for suspicion evidence.

insertnamehere wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote: The point is that your gut vote for Vomps is a perfect and fishy cover. Vomps defended mongoose against you, and she was good. Vomps claimed you were bad, and now he's dead. It was his fault he was an easy target, but it's the baddies fault he was targeted.

Or it is the fault of civs like me who can't tell when Vomps is good or bad because he makes no effort. You don't know that any baddies even voted for Vomps (unless you are one yourself.)

Vomps has created the perfect mafia strategy.

Just post nothing, and then nobody has anything to hold against you! It's perfect, you could be a civ, you could be bad, nobody knows!

Vomps truly is a innovator in the game of mafia.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Pretty hypocritical to attack me for voting for Vompatti because I thought he was lazy and probably bad, and then vote for me for the exact same reason.

Vompatti's laziness and yours are two different things.

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Because they're sure or they're Boogs.

Dom wrote:why are people voting so early

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I do think one or more of you is bad and the more you argue the more I am convinced.

Why would shutting up make us more likely to be good?

Not at all, I encourage the discussion for sure, but I am wondering if it is clever distancing of teammates??

I remember you and rey during American Gods going at it as teamies and Epi arguments are not strong, but yet very forceful, so I wonder....

Well, to be fair, rey and I starting fighting before he joined my team in that game, and I just felt we had to keep it up. I assure you, I am not on the team of the guy saying he wants to lynch me because I suck at the game.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I do think one or more of you is bad and the more you argue the more I am convinced.

Why would shutting up make us more likely to be good?

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote: A lot of people think you're good. They don't know what they think. You've lead the lynch on two civilians. Yes- LEAD.

In these games, people with some votes get more votes. I hold you responsible for Mongoose and Vompatti dying.

But I saw you as Professor X. So let me be clear: I would be okay with lynching you simply because you are not very helpful. You lead lynches on people willy nilly. You have no reason. You just did it. So if you were taken out of the game, I don't think I would have lost anything.

I was successful as Professor X (survived to the end, lost due to a technicality) because I was not helpful I didn't make cases on anyone. I didn't "lead" lynches. I just talked about Morlocks. And no one even came close to lynching me, nor was I the target of NKs.

This game, I am trying my best. I don't like the Vompatti School of Mafia, even if it does work a lot of the time. I was wrong about Mongoose and I feel bad about that. I feel less bad about Vompatti, because he did nothing to try to change my mind.

I think it's ridiculous to claim that I led that lynch simply because I voted for him first. If I wanted to play it safe, I could wait until most of the votes are in and vote for zomeone with zero votes. No accountability. No you accusing me of leading lynches on people. No help for the civilians either. That's why I don't play hat way.

I vote for whom I think is bad. If other people also think that person is bad, it is not my fault, it s their fault. I was mistaken about Vompatti, but so were a lot of other people, all of whom are equally culpable and, as you put it, not very helpful.

You were not successful as Professor X. You only ever got BTSC because another player stole your power. Personally, as the host, I felt you didn't care about the role. That's fine, really, but you weren't in any sense successful.

Hedgeowl wrote: I have to say this is pretty funny. I remember accusing you of having undue influence and causing people to suspect me in WWE and leading the lynch on me. You balked and claimed that was not the case. (I was lynched too.)

This is not making me feel so warm and fuzzy on the Epister right now.

Damn embedded quotes - I deleted several

I was civilian in WWE, remember?

Hedgeowl wrote:i hope to be more present now that our party happened this weekend. It was a success and if anyone wants to come by for tacos let me know.

Leamiteo wrote:Mmmm tacos! Yes please

coming right up, you like beef, chicken, or bean?

fingersplints wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:i hope to be more present now that our party happened this weekend. It was a success and if anyone wants to come by for tacos let me know.

You have no idea how much I want a taco! Haven't had one since I was back in the states

no tacos?? I promise to eat more for you tomorrow.

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Thanks for finding that AP quote, Leamiteo. I missed it and am willing to view him more sympathetically in light of it. I have not been seeing the Boogs suspicion, but a lot of people I think are Civ seem pretty sure and I am tired of getting blamed for civ lynches, so if people want to vote that way and test their theory today, I will not try to stop them.

A lot of people think you're good. They don't know what they think. You've lead the lynch on two civilians. Yes- LEAD.

In these games, people with some votes get more votes. I hold you responsible for Mongoose and Vompatti dying.

But I saw you as Professor X. So let me be clear: I would be okay with lynching you simply because you are not very helpful. You lead lynches on people willy nilly. You have no reason. You just did it. So if you were taken out of the game, I don't think I would have lost anything.

Snow Dog wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:RIP Vomps.

I was jailed btw.....not that anybody noticed my absence, not even boogs....thanks guys.

Wow, really? Is it true Boogs didn't notice? That's strange, since you were his top suspicion, and then he jumped on the vomps train...

linki: Boogs, you did? Did you mention it? I'm am seriously trying to be fair here.

I am pretty sure nobody mentioned my absence. Could have missed it though.

Boogs wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Boogs wrote:Speaking of low posters from my thoughts earlier, why have we squashed all discussion SpaceDaisy could be bad since Day 3? There was still a possibility she could have been on the other Goblin team. Just throwing out there people that should be brought up again we seemed to have forgotten are the real targets.

Wasn't the main suspicion of SpaceDaisy the way she interacted with MP? If that is the case, I don't see how that makes her a candidate for the other goblin team.

Indeed it was at first. But, she's sliding by now as a low poster just like Lizzy, Hedgeowl, and a few others. I just really have a gut feeling the people we continuously are trying aren't getting us anywhere. I'd be happy with low poster getting lynched today to find the real Goblins or Smaug, as well as I personally obviously think something weird was still going on with the Mongoose lynch and think Snow is shady and bad still. I can't put my finger on it, but I just don't see how we were wrong about Mongoose and she conveniently turned up Bilbo... Something weird is going on. So I'd throw my vote to hopefully lynch Snow, Lizzy, Spacedaisy, or Hedgeowl today. I know you personally think Vompattii has something and strangely enough, we have been getting along very well in this game because we typically disagree. But I feel very much you are civ in this game and I won't throw a vote on you today or anytime soon. I think the Epignosis thing is a distraction also. I'm not sure He is civ, but I don't feel he's suspicious enough to get my vote just yet either.

i hope to be more present now that our party happened this weekend. It was a success and if anyone wants to come by for tacos let me know.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote: Llama, what do you think of Epig this game?

I think he is probably okay. He went after MP hard and Rob's hyper-aggressive baddie hunting is usually a sign of his civvienes.

Leamiteo wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Dont want to miss this with an appt later. The only way it wprks currently is if mongoose is Smaug or not on a team or her team has given up on her.

Votess my fav gooose.

lol http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URXwGZoZz_M&t=2m16s

nijuukyugou wrote:

thellama73 wrote:To elaborate on the above, I begged people to look at Mongoose for days and was met with a wall of ignoring. Finally, when it became clear I was never going to shut up about it, a few people started to notice, then when the votes came down it was near unanimous. What's the explanation for that? The only one I can think of is that her teammates were hoping that if they ignored me I'd go away, and when I didn't, they voted for her to show what good little civs they are. Haha, charade you are!

I, too, found this sudden enthusiasm VERY fishy. Votes for Mongoose went from 2 for the last two lynches to almost EVERYONE this time around. Understandably, several people were rightfully voting for baddies in the first two polls, but this time it was a little too (nearly) unanimous, and I'm sure the numbers don't add up to all Civs. Although I've only played one other game, I never remember anything like this happening. Also, love the Pink Floyd reference

As for the lynch result, I am conflicted with Mongoose's role; I'm happy to vote again to see the next result, but I also don't want to waste it if she is, indeed Smaug (if Smaug has the power to avoid being lynched). I'm leaning towards trying again, however.

And spiders? Ugh. Don't like bugs. My first instinct was to run, but people are making good points about how we're "more prepared" this time around. But what would we be fighting with? The diary I remembered to bring?