The Syndicate

Well that was a fail.

I didnt know what would be the right first-time host gift for a Porcupine, but facebook once again comes to the rescue. So thanks DP and enjoy all the pumpkins this halloween!

Seriously awesome game Roxy and DP! I really loved the team challenges even though I am the slowest computer person ever.

I cannot believe how this game ended! LC - you had me convinced at the end that you were indy too. Well played you guys seriously. Both baddies teams were really amazing this game. I clearly need to listen to my instincts better next time. I only started to even suspect some of you right before I was lynched, because there were still so many baddies it turned out.

I loved how you kept vouching for each other too.

Lorab - props for the last minute figuring out of LC. Great post.

Dana's vote for bea was the best. I have seriously wanted to do that myself sometimes, but never have yet.

And hey to my Zoot ladies, julietzoot and ninjazoot!

bea wrote:It's really hard. I drove myself mad the time I tried to play 3 at once. Hosting and playing is damn near killing me and my game just started.

The only upside to my lynch was that I went from 3 games to 2.

ebwop: dead red. I didn't see my death post in Linki. Whoops. Have fun all! Zombie bar time for me.

I will say the baddies have been doing an excellent job this game. It has been sooo hard figuring you out. I am looking forward to end game for sure.

Ahh I almost missed the vote. This is a HUGE mistake. You are serisouly about to lynch another civ. I am going to vote Boogs for now, because its the closest I can come to saving myself, but I would rather be voting LC.

Also, I am fairly surprised at this lynch. Baddies are all over this game. It was fun though, good luck guys!

Haha, I thought it was a rhetorical question Bea. It's really difficult to speculate here as well and since we don't know roles, if baddies targeted someone and they didnt die, the baddies would also not know why they lived I assume, vs being a possible role out with revealed roles. Does any of that make sense?

Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:LC, does this mean you think Boogs is civ?
Yes. He's too alone.

I have been wondering this myself, but if you were on a baddie team and knew he'd survive, you be much less likely to step In And defend him. Especially this late in a game. In supernatural we had a save for Dom, he was getting heat from day 1 and survived. Of course everyone lynched him the next day, but it didnt reveal our whole team either. People with lynch saves are almost always lynched the next day I had found recently unless the lynch save is listed in the roles. So I wouldn't expect that.

I also wondered about Lorab, but have very little read on her. Partly I wondered about her defending you since I find you suspicious as well. However, since that's contingent on your baddieness, I would vote you first.

I am still likely to vote LC or Boogs currently, but leaning to LC at this time.

Heyo!! No death gives us hope still.

Boogs, it's between you and LC for me currently, but I am certainly interested in your theory about LC, Bullz and I being on the same team. Is this what you are currently thinking? Who are your top suspects?

Bullzeye wrote:
Boogs wrote:I'm not a bad kitty, Hedge. You are a bad owl!
Honestly I think you're just a few animals short of being able to open an evil pet shop. Probably not on the same team though. when the A.S.S goes evil.. pet cemetery style.

Hedgeowl wrote: I am not fully caught up, but this was something I was going to respond to until I saw I was silenced. I didn't mean to be cryptic with your list Juliets. I chose dead red, because those were the players that were dead. Simple as that, but I should have explained I see. As for Bullz suspicion of me, I must need to go back through his posts. I have seen him mentioned the way I addressed the M lynch, but there clearly must be more I missed. I try to keep up with the thread, but honestly don't have enough time, if I don't spend all evening reading up and posting. I play on an iPad which makes longer posts much harder.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...
It was mostly just your MM vote and your response to me calling out the bandwagon. You seemed like you were trying to throw suspicion back on me by saying that actually he'd been discussed loads and I was lying when really even the quickest of checks would prove that MM had very little discussion from anyone. The majority of his voters never explained why they voted for him and he only got one vote ever before the day he died. Also the day that 'M' people were talked of as bad still didn't really involve him much. I just thought your reaction was quite suspicious. Then I don't think you ever responded and that made me wonder.

Ok, thanks. Thats what I thought, but i think we were remembering the lynch differently. I remembered all 3 receiving votes, but you right MM only received 1 vote. It felt to me like you were accusing the other MM voters of behavior that was not the way I remembered it, since I had also mentioned a more recent suspicion of Mm. I didn't think I was actually trying to turn you into a suspect. You are way down on my list currently, but maybe it's partly the silencing camaraderie I feel and the frustration I now I understood nit being able to post while people suddenly were talking about you.

Hedgeowl wrote: So my initial reaction was, omg I am being set-up, just like Bullz! Baaaad kitteh! He does a 180 on JUliets as well. Was there a pile on Juliets? I honestly don't think there was, but maybe I am forgetting? I honestly don't know if Boogs is bad, but Bloop was agreeing with me somewhat, she's killed and I am silenced, and then the topic of the day is whether I should be lynched led by Boogs. So yeah, not great feelings from Boogs.

I need to do a more thorough read of how it all switched to voting Boogs. I am not sure how I feel about his survival either, but generally not good ATM. I have some reevaluating to do for sure in light of this crazy day. I don't know where I stand on Juliets and LC.
I do think there's a chance that you're both opposing baddies at the moment but Boogs does seem like he was trying to set you up to die while you were silenced and that gives me pause about you in addition to making me more suspicious of him. Good point about Niju there as well, I hadn't considered that.

As it stands I think Boogs is very likely to be bad, you're my number two suspicion pretty much by default. Dana is blendy and shifty too though so I have an eye on her as well. I very much doubt you and Boogs would be on the same team though so if there's only one baddie team you can't both be bad but if there isn't (and I personally think there are two) then both of you remain my suspects. Unless you can give a good defense to my suspicion of you I suppose.

Well Boogs thinks I am your teammate it sounds like, so not on the same team with Boogs.

Long Con wrote:
Boogs wrote:Bea- The truth? No i wasnt smiley cursed. I was buying SVS time because she wasnt bad and wanted to get attention.
Really? Still catching up (it's slow because of TV... Gotham series premiere, Sleepy Hollow season premiere, and now just an episode of Friends I haven't seen... show catchup. Shouldn't be a prob since no one is on here this late) and I am perplexed about this. I would feel better if you could also provide some evidence that you tried at all to stop SVS' lynch. I don't really understand how faking a curse was a realistic plan to stop her lynch.

Is it reasonable to assume that your non-lynch makes you more Civvie?
As I've already pointed out, the SVS thing is a flat out lie. She was long dead by the time he faked the curse, so unless he thought he could resurrect her by doing that then he was not trying to save her at all.

I am quite baffled by your behavior as well Boogs. If I understand you correctly, you think that Bullz and LC might be my teammates and were trying to save me when they thought I might actually be lynched? I that correct? I admit I found LC's quick change on me strange as well, but generally teammates don't make large cases against each other and I have been very suspicious of LC recently.

Boogs wrote:I do agree JC has been acting weird to me so i am glad someone presented a case.

This was Boogs post at 10am, and an hour after night ends at 6pm and I learn I am silenced he posts this.

Boogs wrote:So do we really wanna vote JC? I dont see Bloop as her suspects. Do we think Hedgie instead might be the way to go? I just feel something off about how we all seemed to pile on Jc. I just keep reevaluating and i think its gonna be another train lynch wreck. I may even go back to Bullz or do Hedgie. I just feel so confused but i can see a lynch on JC to be wrong. I also find how Bullzeye didnt die to get suspicion back on me and how discussion on him stopped being weird. He was the one who started the Mongoose bandwagon and Hedgie supported it like a teammate.

So my initial reaction was, omg I am being set-up, just like Bullz! Baaaad kitteh!

He does a 180 on JUliets as well. Was there a pile on Juliets? I honestly don't think there was, but maybe I am forgetting? I honestly don't know if Boogs is bad, but Bloop was agreeing with me somewhat, she's killed and I am silenced, and then the topic of the day is whether I should be lynched led by Boogs. So yeah, not great feelings from Boogs.

I need to do a more thorough read of how it all switched to voting Boogs. I am not sure how I feel about his survival either, but generally not good ATM. I have some reevaluating to do for sure in light of this crazy day. I don't know where I stand on Juliets and LC.

juliets wrote:Canuck, I really don't know what to say. There are pluses and minuses on each of the people we're talking about. With Hedgie, she had time to answer Bullz but she chose not to, meanwhile making a comment to me that it sounded defensive that I responded to everything said about me (paraphrase). I wonder if she said that to confirm for everyone her belief that one didn't need to answer everything about them. She's also dead wrong about me and it bothers me that she presented a list where she marked off a lot of people in red that weren't even part of her point. When you look at it, it looks like something really bad. On the other hand, I try not to vote for people that are silenced though I have done it in a couple of cases where I felt is was warranted.

Boogs is hard for me. I suspected him earlier in the game for his brief appearances and not added anything to the conversation. He has improved quite a bit on that and is acting like the boogs I know as a civ. He went after Bullz but he relented after Bullz called him out and by the time it was over I got the idea Boogs wasn't really sure about Bullz being bad after all. Then though he recently talked about what he thought Hedgie was doing to me and he was exactly right about me. I know I have to watch out for people defending me when I'm not bad - they may be a baddie trying to look good after I flip civ - but he was actually soliciting votes away from me to Hedgie.

And then Dana. Dana is making me very uneasy. She's not voting, and I accepted her explanation to begin with but after we explained it to her I would have expected her to start voting. She did pop up out of nowhere to vouch for Boogs but I can think of a civ reason to do that. She was confused about the silencing, wouldn't her baddie teammates clued her in or made her contact Rox/DP for clarification? (Oh but I got linki and see now what bea is saying about that.) Other than that Canuck's comment about how she was last game as compared to this game furthers my uneasiness.

I still have a bad feeling that I may have to save myself so I am going to vote close to the end of the lynch or whenever it's safe. I am leaning toward Hedgie or Dana though I want to hear what everyone has to say.

I am not fully caught up, but this was something I was going to respond to until I saw I was silenced. I didn't mean to be cryptic with your list Juliets. I chose dead red, because those were the players that were dead. Simple as that, but I should have explained I see. As for Bullz suspicion of me, I must need to go back through his posts. I have seen him mentioned the way I addressed the M lynch, but there clearly must be more I missed. I try to keep up with the thread, but honestly don't have enough time, if I don't spend all evening reading up and posting. I play on an iPad which makes longer posts much harder.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

I have soo much to say, but am about to eat!!

Boogs, you baad kitteh!

juliets wrote:
Enrique wrote:LOL those two consecutive posts where apparently I'm a leading lynch candidate out of the blue are golden. Maybe I'm forgetting something, but this is new, right? I've been a little distracted the last few days. No biggie, still don't intend to get lynched.

Can I just say I disagree with the argument that I only ever talk about the Made / llama deal BS? I've been around, I've called people out, asked to participate, responded to most discussions in this thread so far. Maybe most of my posts have been in my own defense but I've been talking craploads and definitely ventured outside that bubble. I actually really needed this day break lol.

It just sometimes feels like people don't read my posts, you know? And it gets really frustrating when people insist I'm working my ass off to save Made right now when I've made several posts questioning him and generally expressing distrust of him. Hell, if I'm not mistaken, I explicitly said I saw myself voting for him today. And because I know it's coming, I will address that this is not flip-flopping; I'm not voting for him because I'm suddenly convinced by llama's I'm gonna call it terrible "he must have BTSC" argument which I've already made too many posts against to be assed anymore. I'm especially wary of MM continuing to misrepresent my posts and just trying to make me look guilty in general. What's the deal here?
Maybe it's because your points from day 1 seemed so passionate it's hard to remember the other posts in comparison to those. I have seen you involved with discussion on many people so I don't feel like you've been just discussing made and llama the whole time.

Enrique wrote:For most of the game I've felt pretty well about SVS, but this LC discussion does shake things a little. I didn't have a problem with her attitude which is where LC's original ping came from, but I'm not big into how she's responded to the accusations. I agree with LC when he says that when you yourself ask the accuser to compare your playstyle to a previous game, you absolutely cannot be trusted. Baddies are self-aware peeps; they learn from their mistakes and they will use previous games as reference to manipulate your opinion. I'm not close to ready to vote for SVS, in general I trust her, but this does remind me to keep an eye out for her.
I think I said this before but I don't have any problems with the warning she put out about what can happen in the game when you have bad and civ mingled on the teams. I didn't see anything in her defense posts that made me wary of her but Enrique what did you see? I may have missed something subtle. I disagree that when you ask your accuser to look at your playstyle in other games to compare it to how it is this game that it is a baddie move. I've seen others do that and I've gone back and looked and found they were right - their style as a civ matched what they had done in other games. To me it's like how we compare made this game to made last game. We've considered that a legitimate comparison so why not others.

Enrique wrote:People that keep bringing up Hedgie... I think it's pretty funny that nobody ever talks about what the case on her is. It's like she's just a buzz name thrown around by people who want to act like they're all over this game. "Oh yeah, definitely looking at Hedgie's posts," "I'm gonna look back on the Hedgie case to see what's going on." But then there's absolutely no content?? What the hell are you guys thinking? What makes Hedgie stand out from the other 20 players that you're even consider her for a vote? Please enlighten me here!
I did go back and read Hedgie's posts and didn't see a thing that would make me suspicious or anything that made her stand out from other players.

Enrique wrote:Something something juliets. I don't trust her a lot, and that exchange with LC definitely pinged me some. Too tired to even think of specific points right now, just sharing how it made me feel reading it. It's reallyy late and I almost forgot to Mafia before bed, but here I am, up to speed again. I will go back on this tomorrow before the lynch. I definitely won't vote for her without having made a case before, but eh, I'm not really that deep into this. I've known juliets on IRC for a few years but I'm not sure we'd ever played together before? It's a lot harder to suspect someone when you're not all that familiar with their style. For the most part I've backed off the llama thing because people insist it's civvie llama talking, it's just my gut disagrees. w/e we'll see
Enrique I understand you're just too sleepy to continue but when you get on today I hope you'll talk a little more about what pinged you from mine and LC's interaction. And yes I agree just because we know each other on irc doesn't mean we understand each others play styles. I had trouble interpreting you when you were so passionate about made but as time has moved along I've become much less concerned.

I do not know who I will vote today. Boogs is causing me a little concern because he is usually active as a civ and here he seems to be finding reasons to not come here. I wish I had Epi's quote from one of the last games regarding how much responsibility he has but still manages to come in and post thoughts. There are other people who haven't really come in at all but it's Boog's tone when he does come in that bothers me. Why not give some thoughts while here? That said, I doubt I'll vote for Boogs today. I am considering made for a vote however. Or, it feels like a number of people are talking about me so I may have to vote to save myself (maybe it hasnt been that many and I'm just feeling it has been).

I cant remember when we thought Enrique may have been recruited, but I remember from Fight club, that recruiting or killing people who started to suspect some of us were really the only options. Enrique's suspicion of juliets I find interesting for sure here considering he never wound up voting for her and flipped recruited baddie.

juliets wrote:Here is my list - there has been some movement since the last list I made. Listed from most suspicious to least. Some of these are just gut vibes at this point and the numbers may not be exact. It's better to look at this as a bottom group, a middle group, and a top group. Some toward the top there has just been nothing so far on them but they are newish to the game:
1. made - civ
2. boogs
3. reywas - civ
4. bwt - civ
5. Mongoose - civ
6. MM - civ
7. blooper - only because she is so blendy
8. bullz
9. bea
10.SVS - the seemer issue is causing me some concern that wasn't there before. - civ
11. LC - when i looked at him again I remembered I didn't agree at all with his suspicion about SVS warning everyone before the challenge not to get sucked in by baddies; I do share his concern about the seemer theory;
12. Keterman - civ
13. fingersplints - civ
14. Lorab
15. Hedgeowl - civ
16. canuck
17. llama - civ
18. Dana

I think this list is interesting now is that of the top 4 of juliets suspects, 3 of them were people who suspected her. 2 of those 3 were NK'd. Of the 8 different people who have voted for juliets, only Long Con and Bullzeye are still alive. As you can see by this list, our numbers are getting low, especially if there are 2 baddie teams or a recruitment team. I dont think we have much time left to make any more mistakes. juliets is someone I think needs a closer look by all for sure. LC is another. I urge everyone to do their own rereads however quick.

juliets wrote:Hedgie, you have now twice accused me of being bad but have not presented any evidence. Could you go ahead and od that while you're here? It shouldnt be that hard.

I wish I had had more time than I do to devote to this game, but hasnt turned out this way. So that means sometimes stating my thoughts so they are out there, even if I dont have time to sit down for a full reread.

My impressions so far are that juliets in general plays a careful, thoughtful game. I think she is playing a particularly careful game this time in addressing all concerns or questions about her immediately. From the very beginning she was receiving votes, so this may have put her on the defensive early, but I think it may be more than that. Of 8 days, juliets received votes on 4 days, but has worked very hard to address every suspicion against her. I generally consider her to be an astute questioner, so that fact that she hasn't been NK'd yet this far in the game also surprises me.

I also think you are being slightly combative and defensive about me not giving reasons for you to address. This doesnt make me feel better about you though. People vote all the time on gut pings, feelings, vibes, etc. Sometimes no amount of explanation will change someone's mind, even if they are wrong.

I think there has been plentiful evidence that we have been lynching the wrong people since recent votes have been complete bandwagons, yet no one seems willing to really address this point. Canuck brushed it off as unlikely that Mongoose was civ, even though that was actually the most likely scenario in any lynch when no one is being defended. Lorab brushed off my theories on LC, which gave me a little ping about her as well. These are my current thoughts, but we will see what tomorrow brings.

posting this now and going to continue reading...

juliets wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:
Long Con wrote:
juliets wrote:Yeah Made, I didn't play Misfits but i read enough of it to know your playstyle is whack. Nevertheless, I agree with Bullz. I have also started to wonder if you are making up these wild theories to keep the eye away from others. I have believed in your civviness but I am starting to have doubts or as Bullz brings up maybe I'm just confused by you. I know I'm confused by some of those theories.
Hmm...

Ping. I don't buy the "keep the eye away from others" thing. Sounds contrived. Then add "I'm confused" and it's more suspicious to me.
That's interesting. Maybe I didn't say it right. I have started wondering if some of the things made has said have been attention getters, to pull us away from others who may be bad. Also, I don't think I've fully understood one theory made has put out there. I may understand part of it but usually there is a line or two i don't understand. I'm not saying a general "I'm confused" or even a general "I'm confused about everything made has said". But I am confused by some of it, which is what I thought I said.
So, you think Made and his baddie teammates have a plan where the rest of them escape suspicion through Made's demand for attention? Made is just a sacrificial lamb in the hopes that his team won't get suspicion because of it?

I don't really think that's credible. Ping remains on Juliets.

Didnt Canuck mention this theory first? If not her then someone else posted that Made was distracting the whole thread for possibly bad reasons...
The original idea came from somewhere else, i don't know that it was Canuck, because at first I dismissed it. Here though I'm starting to entertain it. So why is it pingy when I bring it up but not when the original person brought it up?

p.s. I see now that it was SVS who I'm not seeing as bad this game

Ok, I am going to try and take a little more time for this. I think this is an interesting post series to look at highlighting LC's earlier suspicion of juliets, which he dropped after voting her Day 2 and upon further explanation. juliets was receiving quite a bit of attention from reywas early on and was voted several times by many of us. In light of this conversation I definitely think LC was "forced" to drop his suspicion of juliets, but what I wonder is if she was then recruited. All attention left her after those early votes, but the most suspect person to me is LC here.

juliets wrote:RIP Mongoose. I totally give up. Everyone I think is bad turns out to be good. I need to re-evaluate the people i think are civ and the undecideds.

Considering I am literally the only person who didn't vote for Mongoose, I think the baddie majority is upon us.

People I think are bad: LC, Canuck, Juliets, possibly Lorab.

People I don't know about: Bea, Bullz, Boogs, Dana, Ninjabloop

Predictions: I will die tonight.

I voted for the Lynch Switch prize, because that or the NK are maybe the only way to take back the game.

Urge, the computer died with my half finished post on my LC reread. Basically, the way he voted SVS, juliets, SVS, and his reasons for such made me suspect juliets as a possible recruit once he dropped all his suspicions of her. He immediately picked up his SVS suspicion again even though "many others saw her as civ." once he posted about her possibly being God, he never once again mentions it or thinks to warn others in any way. He just lets us go ahead and lynch her and then claim credit for knowing she was God. My favorite of his posts are the two below:

Long Con wrote:No change, my theory comes from the idea that he's got blind devotion to the idea he's a Civvie, and yet God insists very strongly that he is bad. Recruit makes sense.

Followed by this gem:

Long Con wrote:Protip: Dennis doesn't know any more than the rest of us.

So which is it? Does Dennis not know anymore than the rest of us, but God somehow "knows" llama was bad??

Long Con wrote:Sorry, Llama, looks like you were a Civvie after all. LORB, why didst thou direct us to kill this innocent Llama?

Interesting Boogs/Bullz back and forth. Bullzeye is reading like Vince Vaughn to me here. It's pretty good.

Hedgeowl wrote:However, I am going to vote LC this go round. I think he could have done more if he were so convinced SVS was god than just let her be lynched and claim he knew afterwards...
I think you could have done more than pretend you didn't see the possibility, at least I said something. And by the way, I brought it up well before the lynch. Everyone pretended not to notice, and now I'm the bad guy because of it?

The best part is when he blames God for leading him wrong. Nice, like that tactic has never been used before.

I don't think I ever responded to the above comment. Apparently, I pretended not to notice LC's comment, and everyone else pretended not to notice as well. I specifically posted saying I was missing it and clearly if most of the thread was, the "one" person to get it could have done more to save her.

I think you having been leading this thread too long Long Con and that your time is up. Except probably it's Mongoose, but miracles could happen. Oh wait...we lynched GOD, never mind.

Votes Long Con

Canucklehead wrote:I am voting Mongoose for now, because I think either scenario 1 or 3 are what is happening. If it's 1, then we not only get a baddie but we have a good idea of where to look for her teamies. If it's 3, best case scenario we get rid of a lynch-save and can try again another day. Worst-case scenario, however, it's a lynch switch power.....which means we need to be REALLY WARY of any stray votes (b/c most lynch switches must switch to someone who has votes already.....). This would likely result in losing a civ, which would be VERY bad at this point, I think.....
I'm not going to advocate for a unanimous Mongoose vote, because the lynch-switch/save theory is obviously just speculation on my part and my thoughts on Mongoose's baddiness are obviously just my thoughts, but I am going to be watching closely to see what goes down during this vote....and whilst Mongoose is leading the votes and until this day is over, I am going to feel unreasonably afraid for whomever Mongoose decides to vote for.

On preview, I suppose that scenario 2 could also theoretically be correct AND parts of 3 could be correct (i.e. she's a civ with a lynch save in her pocket).....this seems unlikely to me, but I'll admit that I'm biased b/c I've been holding onto this suspicion for a long time now.

Yes, all....we've already arrived at the part of the game where Canuck's head gets super duper paranoid and starts thinking crazy things. Apologies in advance. You have been warned.

linki: bea, you read my mind. :P

Of your 3 scenarios, do you know which one is most likely? 2. But this reads like a nice attempt to cover yourself if she flips civ, kinda like the Made vote. I hadn't had specific baddies vibes from you, because you have suspected Mongoose for a long time, but honestly this post to me just sounds like an excuse.

juliets wrote:I'm about to leave in the next 30 minutes or so and probably won't be back before the lynch. I'm disappointed hedge did not outline her case against me so i could respond before the lynch. I am sticking with my gut and voting Mongoose again, the two primary reasons are I still think something was hinky about calling canuck a red herring and then not being able to recall right away what that was all about. In addition, I truly believe the MM votes were a save of Mongoose.

*votes Mongoose*

Ah sorry, I might put this on hold then.

juliets wrote:Hedgie I saw you were here earlier and even that you posted in another thread. Why didn't you answer my questions from this morning? I need an opportunity to respond to whatever you think makes me baddie.

Sadly didnt have as much time to read through your and LCs posts as I thought. I will try to post something about it now.

Also, I don't think I saw anyone address my thought about the possible large recruitment team. Especially since it seems plenty of people are happy to vote Mongoose again. This late in the game there should be a lot of baddies still I assume and it feels so weird that everyone is agreeing so much. Also voting for Mongoose now because she made a weird case defending Llama (who we now know is civ!) makes no sense to me. I think the reason for Mongoose have changed somewhat, but am surprised people are ignoring it so easily. I am more inclined to think that the Mongoose and MM lynch was civ v. civ and there was no save attempt actually.

I think Juliets and LC are in this group, but not sure who else.

I have stuff to catch-up on, but have people discussed the fact that this may be more of a recruitment baddie team? With Enrique being a recruit and one of the only baddies we have seen, I am wondering more recently with the way the last lynch went down if what we are actually seeing is recruitment?

Just something I have been wondering about, but I doubt I will vote Mongoose today. LC and Juliets are looking like potential baddie McBaddersons to me currently. I need to spend more time reviewing though, because I know the moment after I post this Juliets will ask for specific things to address.

I have seen SVS convinced Llama was bad before when he was civ, so 'God told us to' seems like a convenient excuse. I will bow down before her almighty ness if I am wrong though.

I am specifically not a fan of info-dumping either, so I hesitate with Boogs' warning of Bullz. However, Bullz' post about the "sudden" suspicion of MM after we had already had a day where Made, MM, and Mongoose were discussed as M for baddie candidates seems off to me. MM had also received lots of scrutiny for the early 'French' comment. I know for one felt that Mongoose was not my top suspect.

Bullzeye wrote:
fingersplints wrote:RIP MM. I felt like some of the votes there were a bit suspicious, and seemed like it was out of nowhere to save Mongoose. Lorab was talking about him for a while, so I think hers could be genuinely misguided.
I was actually surprised so many people jumped onto that vote. I'd had a gut feeling about MM for most of the game but it seemed like nobody other than LoRab really agreed with me until today. There was definitely something fishy going on there.

Here he seems to say, well I voted for MM, but I actually suspected him, unlike all these other bandwagoners. It just doesn't ring entirely true to me.

I do think more suspicion of Bulls is warranted. However, I am going to vote LC this go round. I think he could have done more if he were so convinced SVS was god than just let her be lynched and claim he knew afterwards,

Votes LC

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Ah sorry to have been absent this lynch. This llama bandwagon only makes sense to me in a world full of baddies. I doubt I will vote for him honestly, although doesn't look like there's any hope of saving him.

Voting MM as well, but making dinner now.

Long Con wrote:Now Mongoose voted Canuck... Such weird!

Except the opposite because Canuck's not on the poll.

I haven't been getting the civviest feelings from Mongoose's posts, but my real problem is llama. I have been pretty sure he is civ, but reevaluating if I am super off. People said Mongooses defense of him was strange and possibly forced, but I haven't seen a forced defense before. I do remember in Supernatural being forced to do the opposite and make a case on Tranq. Juliets were you the trickster role in that game? Have others seen roles with forced defense before?

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Who said "Wait shit I didn't realize this was ending so early."

Enrique

Roxy wrote:Who said "You didn't bother to find out, did you?"

Man

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Who said "Not necessarily. Or maybe not, I don't know."

MM

Roxy wrote:Who said "Anyway, from the Gospel according to Busch"

Epi

Roxy wrote:Who said "My comment was in jest."

MP

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Who said "But really, I have no idea where to start."

bwt

Roxy wrote:Who said "I'm not interested."

Arthur

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Who said "I felt pretty sure about MR and that didn't turn out well at all."

Dana

Roxy wrote:Who said "All right put that away, sonny!"

Roxy

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Who said "What a strange person!"

GAlahad

GOD wrote:Assholes~ no heaven for you

Sometimes even GOD needs a hug...and a drink!

Dana wrote:
thellama73 wrote:Neutral is not civvie! I'm counting that as a win!
Dennis said God was good.

Canuckie-baby poop or get off the potty. It's voting time.

Mongoose wrote:In defense of thellama73, a hairy, hirsute beast.

By the cuddly creature Mongoose, a story in 2 chapters.

Chapter 1:

Llama has been extremely vocal. This is not rare for him (see: Bioshock, Homestar, Thomas the Tank, Super Mario etc.). When he is bad, he is much more clean in how he posts (see: Rolling Stones, American Gods, Harry Potter).

As a baddie, he will often vette what he says to other players before posting his comments

Does this currently sound like a player who is vetting his posts?

It in no way does. He's basically Mayor of Recklesstown, which draws enough attention to keep him from being NK'd, but hopefully (hopefully!) not be lynched.

No self-respecting baddie would pay this fast and loose.

Chapter 2:

Hunch-hunch-hunch-a-roo. If my feelings on this were a classic book, it would be The HUNCHback of Notre Dame.

Cherries & Fairies,

Mongoose
C.E.O., Animal Sanctuary Squad

This has so many layers of awesome, like an onion or tootsie pop... I love it.

I am srsly sick today sadly, so not sticking around much, but I still feel Llama is civ this game. Also, I am terrible at reading thru lines and have no idea what SVS is talking about.

Votes SVS

I have a question for SVS. Who is your top suspect?

I believe Llama's are SVS and LC, and now apparently LC's are Llama and SVS.

I am a little surprised at the turn around LC has done from SVS to Llama, after not suspecting him.

I have already started to forget some of my thread impressions from 8 pages of reading last night, but I believe juliets list was something that jived with me. I was surprised to see Reywas flip civ as well. People of interest to me would also be MM, Mongoose, Dana, and possibly SVS.

fingersplints wrote:(the account for Rolling Stones was Mr. D. llama and hedgeowl might remember that account being in the baddie chat some.)

I do! You even shared pics, because you knew we wouldn't recognize you irl.

fingersplints wrote:The title of the poll says you must answer me these questions three. So do we need to answer all of them? I will anyways
my name is mandi. My favorite color is purple. (particularly a nice light shade. like lilacs) Rox already knows both these things. So I will vote for the quest. Today my quest is to make it to Buffalo. I need to be fingerprinted, get a iris scan, and find the Anchor Bar (Home of the buffalo chicken wing)

:swoon: one of my besties in college is from Buffalo and would always have Anchor Bar sauce in her dorm. I ate jars of that stuff on pizza and still have it in my fridge when I can. <3

So much reading is making my brains hurt...

Sooo I have a ton of pages to catch up on. May not finish tonight, so slow down the chitter chatter ya'll.

Back in a flash....(like an hour)

thellama73 wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Seriously, have I been condescending? I worry about stuff like that, I worry about hurting peoples feelings, etc. If i have done so, if I have made you feel ignorant, I am so sorry. You say "once again" like there is a pattern of this kind of thing, and if that is so, I apologize.
Sometimes people call me condescending too. It's so cute of them.

Wow, I did not really expect that result either and probably would have voted Made. I need to do some serious catch-up to see where my thoughts lie for the next day.

I have had little free time today, but from my quick catch-up i am agreeing with llama lots and lots.

Since we now see that the Beast and the Rabbit were SKs who killed on even and odd nights, I think they balance each other out. There could still be just one mafia team, since the Rabbit killed odd nights and DF was killed NIght 1 and flipped bad. With 25 players and 2 as SKs, I assume a mafia team would have at least 3-4 members. If only 1 mafia, maybe even 5 people. So if we have two mafia teams of 4 players each that would leave 15 potential civ roles. Does that sound balanced enough for those who would know better than me?

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