The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:Another thing: Hedgeowl.

We killed her because I had her pegged as a role checker.

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:I think Made actually voted his suspect as well and based on the fact that I think you are possibly bad and created a case on him it makes me think he's not on your team either.

Good gracious, Hedgeowl, you should have been here on campus this morning. #88 Dale Earnhardt, Jr.'s stock car was here with the National Guard hosting an event. You might've had a real good time, seeing how you like to go in circles.

I think Made is good because I think Epi is bad. I think Epi is bad because I think Made is good.

Epignosis wrote:How do you go from this:

Hedgeowl wrote:Made could be bad or the SK or you could be one of those. I actually don't have strong feelings on his civness atm.

To this:

Hedgeowl wrote:Also, people I currently trust in this game are Made and Keterman. Not anyone else, based on this lynch.

In less than twenty minutes?

Elohcin wrote:For the record....if I get lynched. I think both llama and epi are bad. Epi is usually more of a go getter than he's been this game. A nd if he were civvie, then the baddies would have killed him by now. Am I right or am I right?

You know, people keep saying this.

Nobody considers that I am back at work, putting together a brand new school newspaper, teaching world literature, attending endless meetings in which people ask questions that only pertain to them, giving guitar lessons again, that fantasy football has started and that I am managing four teams (and helping someone else with hers), that I am taking a superfluous but legally mandated college course online consisting of fruitless busywork, recording a third album, refereeing children the moment I walk in the door, cooking supper every night, fixing the reception, watching Gordon Ramsay yell at stupid muppets twice a week, and making unnecessary trips to the store because someone needs more butter or eggs.

The thinking here is that I should be Night killed for being awesome or be lynched because I don't meet people's expectations (read: do their work for them). If that's the mindset used to lynch me, I will never win as a civilian.

thellama73 wrote:Never mind, now he did.

thellama73 wrote:Never mind, now he did.

Epignosis wrote:

Roxy wrote:I have done some reading today.

I still feel the same about Elo.

Feel the same about Hedge and sabie.

Feel ok about Made and Epi

Bullz is twitching my nose a bit and is right even with llama.

MR is in and out it makes me feel very unsure about him.

Made and Epi who are you voting for?

Why do you feel okay about Made? Jesus, I certainly don't.

To answer your question, I don't know. Made is a new guy who plays a loud avant-garde thing (think if Vompatti posted all the time), and, while he got heavy scrutiny in other games, he's received nearly none this time. I think he's being "out there" because that's what is expected of him at this point- certainly not because it lynches foes.

However, I voted Hedgeowl last time, and now she's voted for me (see below).

Hedgeowl wrote:THe way he came down on Elo's idea at first and hasnt been playing his hardcore civvie self I feel.

I don't know what you mean by "came down on Elo's idea at first." As for the second item, did you come up with that all by yourself?

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote: keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

It was Elo's argument actually and one I didn't give much thought too, except like her I was shocked you were killed and thought you very likely bad. You being rezzed however gives new life to her theory however, since it suddenly would make a lot more sense for a baddie team to kill and then rezz one of their own. I still would think I was mistaken about you except your insistence that I am still bad despite evidence to the contrary that you are ignoring.

I actually wouldn't vote for you probably, but you leading a lynch on me convinces me I was right all along.

yes, I was referring to Eloh. Sorry, I should have specified.

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote: keterman/Llama will you srsly look into Elo and give me your thoughts on my case.
I do not think Hedge is bad this game though I was fooled in LOST Mafia by her. I just don't get any nose twitches from her. I will srsly go back and reread her to see if I feel the same.

My pleasure. I put a lot of stock in your opinion, and I have read her a couple of times already. So far, not much has really jumped out at me, but the sheer madness of her argument that the baddies would kill one of their own makes me think twice. I will definitely give her another look today.

thellama73 wrote:

Made wrote:Alright, Llama, keterman. Where do we go from here.

Let's lynch Hedgebaddie. Just look at her name, she is obviously bad.

A Person wrote:

thellama73 wrote:I feel like night has been going on a really long time.

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

thellama73 wrote:
I don't know who Hedge's teammates are, but I suspect her more strongly than anyone else right now.

Why do you suspect her so strongly, other than the fact that you always suspect her?

The way she jumped onto the suspicion of me bandwagon read really false to me. She knows me quite well IRL, and I do not believe she thinks I am bad, because I think I have been quite obviously civ to someone who knows me. I think she is faking, since I am a convenient target this game.

Don't you know her quite well in real life though? Doesn't that criticism work both ways?

No, because I always think she's bad, and she doesn't always think I'm bad. Also I am easier to read than she is.

thellama73 wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Elo, so why pick the guy he said was civ earlier? I would have voted for Elo, so why pick the guy he guy he guy he said was civ earlier? I would have to agree. Llama could have voted for me or me or Elo, so why pick the guy he guy he guy he said was civ earlier? I would have voted for me or me or me or Elo, so why pick the guy he guy he guy he said was civ earlier? I would have to agree. Llama could have to agree. Llama could have voted for me or Elo, so why pick the guy he guy he said was civ earli

Elohcin only had 2 votes, since Made misvoted. To save myself I had to eiether vote for you or Boogs, and I repeatedly said that I found Boogs suspicious. It is true that I momentarily had pause after Keterman was lynched, but I ultimately thought Boogs' behavior was suspicious enough to overcome that. I am confident that whether I had voted for you or Boogs, we would have lynched a civ, and if I had allowed myself to be lynched, we would have lost a civ, so I had to go for the lesser of three evils.

I would really like to lynch Hedgeowl, and I hope I have the opportunity today instead of being forced to vote for someone I think is civilian.

Vompatti wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Vompatti wrote:Haben Bullz sagen, er ist zuversichtlich, Lama ist nicht schlecht und hofft, dass er nicht gelyncht werden, oder dass er zuversichtlich, Llama nicht gelyncht werden und hofft, dass er nicht schlecht ist?

Ich bin jedenfalls froh, dass er nicht gelyncht werden.

I was saying I'm confident he's not bad and hoped he wouldn't be lynched. Do you have to stay German? I was told my curse was over after day ended.

Wäre es gegen die Regeln sein Deutsch zu bleiben, auch wenn ich nicht zu haben?

Vompatti wrote:Since Sabie just proved that she's good I'm voting Rearranger.

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: Also, do you know how you survived this lynch?

How do you know I survived the lynch? Maybe Elohcin survived the lynch.

In any case, it's because I am supatown.

Natürlich

Also, well done Vomps on gelyncht.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote: Also, do you know how you survived this lynch?

How do you know I survived the lynch? Maybe Elohcin survived the lynch.

In any case, it's because I am supatown.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Hedge, I don't believe you think nI am bad. You know me too well. I think you are just trying to get rid of me, and you have just moved to the top of my suspect list.

Why would I be trying to get rid of you? There are much easier targets if I were bad since you think I am bad every game we play. I would NK you if I wanted to get rid of you.

No you wouldn't. Why would you NK a person who sucks lynch votes away from you and your teammates?

thellama73 wrote:Hedge, I don't believe you think nI am bad. You know me too well. I think you are just trying to get rid of me, and you have just moved to the top of my suspect list.

Mongoose wrote:Anticipating some questions here:

You WILL be able to change your votes on non-lynch polls. You can also make multiple selections if you so desire.
You WILL NOT be able to change your votes on lynch polls.

Ties will be decided randomly.

Enjoy the game!

Roxy wrote:I feel so dirty and used ---

Vompatti wrote:

Roxy wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Roxy wrote:Vomps - do you have to make a certain number of posts in German?

Nein, aber eine beliebige Anzahl von Stellen ich ich muss in Deutsch zu machen. Ich fühle mich wie machen mehr Beiträge in deutscher als ich in der Regel in Englisch, weil Deutsch ist eine schöne Sprache.

Ich sehe und ich danke Ihnen. Wenn Entsendung in Deutsch macht Lust auf mehr, als ich bin für Sie immer Entsendung in Deutsch schreiben zu können! Sie könnten also Sabie stimmen? Ist das richtig?

Basierend auf Intuition bin ich mehr um Mr. Rearranger, aber es ist zwischen diesen beiden für mich.

Roxy wrote:Doing a Zelda - giving thoughts as I read.

RIP Keterman
RIP Bea IYWGANAI

Elo, llama, Epi - You are painting targets - spin how you wish to make yourselves look better but it is what it is. Ganging up on little Hedgy to hammer home your points only proved to make it all so silly tbh. You all kept saying the Mafia know who the civs are but hey remember there is a SK too. Do they know who the SK is?
The arguement of whether to trust a defender was a funny read. llama saying you can't trust the defenders of civs bc he does it all the time as a baddie - Epi saying why would you look at defenders of a non bts role for someone to get civ cred but one who had bts is worth looking at. round in circles you all went . Much to my amusement.

llama - the difference betwixt killing a known civ vs a not known civ is that maybe they aren't civ.

Epi - you said its a one mafia game so you can't paint targets - can't happen as you put it. I say hello SK role.

Elo - your vote and now saying you are thinking that if someone defended Keterman then they are more trusty only proves to twitch my nose more. Its Day 2. How do you trust anyone in a game with a mafia and SK so quickly? Why did you vote llama in the poll? You don't think he is bad yet you voted for him. I don't expect for you to respond as you ignored my point last night and only addressed it when Hedge brought it up to you - that and you said you are done defending yourself, that is not very civ imo.

llama - Sabie really? On day 2 bc she did not respond to your ridiculous question? Bc she is voting without posting? Well if I was new here and didn't know you and Epi I might feel a bit overwhelmed. Maybe this is her first game? Maybe she is shy like AP or Vomps at first.

Bullz - why MR? I think you saying you wouldn't vote for Sabie but would vote for MR.

Vomps - do you have to make a certain number of posts in German?

Vompatti wrote:^ Ich wiederhole mich, wenn unter Stress!

Würdest du mir glauben, wenn ich Ihnen sagte mein Lieblings Orson Welles Film ist nicht Citizen Kane?

Auch wer oder was ist Geist Ferret und sie weiß nicht, welche Materialien und Farben, die wir abgeholt?

Lassen Sie es bekannt sein, dass ich nicht einmal einen Zug Auto! Waggons sind teuer in Finnland.

Epignosis wrote:"Painting targets" implies that Mafia cannot read or reason for themselves. Furthermore, the major flaw in the "painting targets" criticism is twofold:

First, Mafia don't want to take out a pissy civilian role who lost his or her BTSC partner to a Day 1 lynch. Unless the Mafia bungles it, that role is SAFE.

Second, Mafia would prefer to take out their direct competition, like an independent.

Generally, Mafia like taking out me as early as possible. I don't blame them.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:plus, in this game isnt there an SK that recruit the puppets?

So you're saying we should paint targets on the puppets and get them NKed so they can't be recruited? Bold move, Hedge. Bold move.

Epignosis wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

thellama73 wrote:But Hedge, you act as if a lack of known civs would prevent any nightkills from happening. That's not the case. Someone is going to be nightkilled. What does it matter whether it's boogs or someone who is not a known civ?

linki: I see all differences.

Somehow I missed all the linki while responding to Elo. You are talking about a useful baddie tactic of defending civs as a baddie, knowing they are civs. Elo is talking about now after the fact, that we can possibly discern another civ role since we know Keterman had a btsc partner. Both of of these opinions are valid and unrelated.

I absolutely do not believe that a lack of known civs would prevent night kills. that would be silly and I am only silly some of the time. What I am disputing is that it is not very civ-friendly to go around painting targets on specific civs backs saying well they are definitely civ, yup, that's a civ right there, wow look at that civvie civ civ. Granted, you have been particularly candid about your motivation to do so in regards to Boogs.

It's a one Mafia game. There is no painting targets on any backs. Can't happen.

thellama73 wrote:But Hedge, you act as if a lack of known civs would prevent any nightkills from happening. That's not the case. Someone is going to be nightkilled. What does it matter whether it's boogs or someone who is not a known civ?

linki: I see all differences.

Elohcin wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Elohcin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Interesting...big felt rolls had btsc with felt samples. I will go back and read to see if anyone was trying to defend Keterman.

Hmm, no defense that I saw. So, as some of you have been talking about low-posters already, I would guess Felt Samples is among them. If I were Felt Samples, I would try to speak up on behalf of my BTSC partner as much as I could without info-dumping.

Why would you go on and on about this if you are civvie? Let the poor Felt Samples live alone in peace. Why paint a "HUGE neon sign" as Roxy said on a possible civ once their btsc partner is already dead.

OK, I am feeling pretty good about my llama vote still, and am adding Vomps, and Elo to my list of possible suspicious peeps.

First of all, I don't think I went on and on. Second, as a civvie with no btsc, I like to find other civies that I can trust. The only way to do this is by using what has been said in the thread. If I found someone who seemed to defend keterman, then I that player is probably one I can trust. People say, "I'm civ! I'm civ!" all the time. Does this mean they are painting a "HUGE neon sign" on themselves and saying, "kill me mafia?" No, they are trying to communicate with their fellow civs that they can be trusted. The Mafia already know who is civ. They are going to kill who they are going to kill no matter what. I think your suspicion of me for this is quite silly. I was honestly busy with schooling three children and getting as much of our lessons completed before having to leave the house at 10:20 for the older two to go to their tumbling class. I was also working on the 6 loads of laundry we dirtied up from our two-day camping trip. I honestly randomized without looking at who had already voted for who and got Keterman. But, I am done defending myself.....as I said, I think your suspicion is silly.

Bullzeye wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I miss Vompernoodles

He is in a better place now.

Also, since no one has been killed, how do even know there is a baddie? Perhaps we should just wait and see what happens.

This is an interesting theory and would be quite the innovative twist, but there are baddies listed among the roles. That is the only hole I can find in your suggestion.

thellama73 wrote:

Boogs wrote:

DFaraday wrote:I hope supatown stays a thing, I like it.

Also, I'm feeling like Llama is probably a proactive civ, so I need to look over the rest to see where I stand on the board. Most players haven't made much impression so far.

A proactive Civ? All I have seen is him act unusual and try to "stir the pot" to get certain people to cause conflict. Doesn't seem Civ like behavior in the least to me. Voting for a non participant always is a bad idea if you are Civ, and considering the game started a few hours on a holiday weekend before I can check in that he says he wanted to "get us to react" etc. doesn't feel any good to me. I'm most likely giving him my vote tomorrow. I don't what proactive Civ you see in him by most of the talk here about apples and off topic being helpful. Which makes me worried about you as well to say that about Llama.

"Lynching non-participants is always a bad idea if you are civ" is not remotely true. There have been lots of baddie non-participants and lynching them is good.

Furthermore, my objective in stirring the pot was to get people talking on topic. We had no real discussion, and nothing to go on, so throwing out a few accusations to see how people reacted is a good way to get the ball rolling. When people are accused, they react, and sometimes a lot can be gleaned from their reactions. I would say it's working.

I am always this cocky, btw.

Vompatti wrote:I dunno, Keterman's vote seems about as argumented as Boogs', and Hedge's was pretty much random. It's possible that they're all civs. But if it's between Keterman and Llama, I'd rather vote Keterman.

Epignosis wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I am doing school with the kiddos, finishing up laundry from our camping trip, and the kids have gymnastics at 11am. I don't have time to catch up and I won't be here to vote later so I have to do it now. I am randomizing :/. *votes keterman*

Elohcin wrote:oh wow....I had no idea I was the 5th to vote him.....weird that is who came out randomly for me when so many others already voted him. May I add, I know some of you watch the thread and probably have seen me signed in for a while, but truth is, I signed in to try and catch up but have not sat down to look at the thread til now....so even though I have been signed in, I haven't had a chance to read anything.

If I didn't know better, this would sound suspicious and fidgety.

Elohcin wrote:

Elohcin wrote:Interesting...big felt rolls had btsc with felt samples. I will go back and read to see if anyone was trying to defend Keterman.

Hmm, no defense that I saw. So, as some of you have been talking about low-posters already, I would guess Felt Samples is among them. If I were Felt Samples, I would try to speak up on behalf of my BTSC partner as much as I could without info-dumping.

thellama73 wrote:I voted for all the colors mentioned in this song.

thellama73 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:*makes note to self that Llama self-voted on Day 0*

I have to vote tongiht because we will be too busy tomorrow morning to check -in. I am voting llama for self-voting and being our current top poster.

votes lalalallama

I didn't self-vote! Alpacas are not llamas!

Mister Rearranger wrote:*makes note to self that Llama self-voted on Day 0*

thellama73 wrote:

Roxy wrote:I won't vote for a low poster or a non voter as it is a holiday weekend often spent with friends and family.
The poll doesn't have an end time so Mongoose is likelywaiting until the holiday is over.

Llama your plan to vote someone bc they did not check assumes you know when the poll will end.so do you have some kind of inside info privvy only to you?

Do you know more than me? I doubt it tbh

I'm just stirring the pot.