The Syndicate

So for the record, my ridiculous theories were just me being me! I'll try not to have such crazy ones next time.

well, they will probably be just as crazy. We're all mad here.

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I am looking for a game with minimal effort involved.
Well, my dear lady, you should play thellama73's Minimalism Mafia. Coming soon to a theater near you.

Wow, just what I was looking for!

I am looking for a game with minimal effort involved.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Thanks to Daisy for a fun game. I done died a long time ago, but I watched from beyond the grave since then. We needed some levity around here and this was just the ticket.
I did not even notice your avatar until halfway though the game. Very subtle role hint there?

It wasn't actually! I was going for a more Mongoose Wearing DJ Headphones look, but that was the best I could find.

Thanks to Daisy for a fun game. I done died a long time ago, but I watched from beyond the grave since then. We needed some levity around here and this was just the ticket.

I had a feeling Llama was good, so I saved him from a lynch once using my Crackotage powers, which set off a lot of speculation as to whether he was bad or not. It was just me going on a gut feeling.

Aug 20? Dang. Does anyone know if she's okay?

Spacedaisy wrote:
Leamiteo wrote:Aww, Daisy! I just saw the heading on the poll.
it was fun having you play, Friend! I know it was difficult for you with school, work and internet availability, and I appreciate you taking part.

Ditto, I enjoyed playing with you, and hopefully we'll cross paths again soon!

Oh hey I'm still dead.

Aww guys.

Snow Dog wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Ok if Mp is the Cheerleader, where does that leave us with Gleam?
IF I was to buy into that argument (and I don't really), then Gleam could be the Blue Laser Commander as it can only be lynched after all its cronies are dead.
Not true. he cannot be Night Killed until his cronies are dead.

Ugh, I keep overlooking that nuance. Well to play Devil's Adv, if MP was Cheerleader, then Gleam could have won a one night only protection from participating/winning that day's show. It seems like an appropriate prize, and could explain why he was granted immunity but isn't an unlynchable role. There could be other reasons too. That said, I don't really think any of them are Cheerleader -- that seems rather too easy.

Snow Dog wrote:Ok if Mp is the Cheerleader, where does that leave us with Gleam?

IF I was to buy into that argument (and I don't really), then Gleam could be the Blue Laser Commander as it can only be lynched after all its cronies are dead.

DFaraday wrote:

EBWOP: SVS, I think the reason DP and I got off easier on that point is because we're both notorious for flying under the radar, whereas you're rather outspoken more often than not, so your absence was very noticaeble.

I think there's a lot of truth in that statement.

I can tell you some stuff from my perspective, but it will be totally subjective.

Vompers done died. I can't read him very well, so I did not vote for him. I think I will know better next time what he is like as a baddie.

Llama done died because he is bad at staying alive in Mafia games after he won so many in quick succession.

Hedge was voted out erroneously because of what looked like a suspicious last minute vote to save Eloh, who was declared a baddie.

There was talk over whether was Devin was good or bad (he is also dead) but we were splitsies on that.

There may have been some talk over MP's innocence or guilt, I'm not really sure.

DP has been a bit AWOL. He checks in from time to time but isn't able to say much of substance because he can't get caught up on all this.

CBK has been more active and has been posting thoughtful commentary.

Daisy brought out all the stops and somehow convinced Little Tiger and Indi to come join this party of verbosity, and they very graciously agreed. Daisy is possibly magic for her ability to do that and I am pretty sure she could have been on OJ's Defense Team.

Matt F has continued to do his thing.

DFaraday has been extremely MIA

Borok said some things we found suspicious, but then (imo) he had a good reasoning for it.

Gleam and Dom are players.

Juliets and I analyzed some things.

Lea brought some croissants.

Shucks yall, I'm about dried up.

We are all concerned that Trogdor is someone that hasn't been around a lot - because there's been missing PMs and he's not killed in ages. Some have batted around the idea that he's been killed, but I think most of us don't think that theory holds much water. Of course, Troggie could be framing you and/or DP, by pretending to be dead, but a lot of us aren't sold on that either. I'm really not trying to make you feel like you are on trial the second you get back in here; I'd totally want some leniency if I had internet issues. But we've all been awful curious about The Trogdor Situation.

We just want to hear what you think of all that before we go jumping to conclusions. I hoped that helped and that is what you wanted to know?

I hope you decide to stay. I know this game has seemed more like a marathon than a sprint, but we've had a lot of fun in it over the last few week, and I think you will enjoy yourself if you stay.

linki - Thanks for the response. I agree that it is quite easy to facebook on one's phone but not mafia on one's phone. I think your rationale about sending in easy peasy PMs about the hut number makes a LOT of sense, so I appreciate your candor.

BigDamnHero wrote:Does anybody know, has Snow Dog ever explained why he's publicly announcing which hut he's hiding in....or at least which hut he CLAIMS to be hiding in?

I thought it might be baddie-baiting? But that's the thing, just as you have alluded to, any of us can claim we are in one hut and really be in another, so I think everyone is going to take those sorts of declarations with a grain of salt.

I'm glad I didn't end up voting her, but yeah - I am looking forward to reading some replies from her and DP. I mean that in a sincere and non-snarky way.

If you fail to send in a PM choosing a hut, then Daisy auto puts you into the hut that Trogdor has selected.

indiglo wrote:w00t! Excellent result!

RIP Vomps

So what is this business about huts?

You pick one every night (1, 2, 3, 4, or 5) and PM it to Daisy. Trogdor picks a hut, and one person from the hunt is instantly incinerated (it is randomized).

Here's a thought -- if Trogdor was truly dead, would our host have us send in hut choices? I can see why yes/no, because if not, we would know he was dead and that's the point if he wasn't killed in the day poll. Anyone else wanna weigh in on this?

I'm definitely in the Trogdor Lives camp.

Snow Dog wrote:Vompatti has been here all game so it's rather odd that they had no night kills don't you think?

It is, and I'm dying to know what Vomp's secret ability was. We just need to off So&So and then we can hunt down Cheerleader! The game feels much more attainable now.

Wow, way to go guys! I am really impressed.

Seriously, how were you able to read Vompers as bad rather than as him just being usual Vomp? I have such trouble with that.

Let's cut MP some slack and move on to other possibilities.

juliets wrote:I have two people i have been thinking about for today, S~V~S and Vomps. S~V~S is a possible Trogdor and Vomps as a possible baddie. I thought BDH's post about Vomps was good and made me think about things I hadn't though about before. Since it looks like S~V~S will be back in the game today I may give her some time to see when Trog kills show up again - or if they do. Mostly i want to give her a chance to respond now that there's a good chance she will be back in the game. Also, I've been giving DP some rope and though I agreed with MP that I don't think he's bad that status is tenuous. I won't vote him today but my eye is on him.

I can understand all that. I would have likely voted SVS today, but for MP's post stating she should be back soon.

I'm voting for DP. He must have Icarus Phobia, because he is flying way too low. I gave him the BOTD after last lynch to see if he would become more active and didn't, so I am comfortable throwing my vote there today.

juliets wrote:
Matahari wrote:Oh one last thought before I go, although I'm hesitant to express this. I can't go back to pull the quotes, because I don't have time at the moment. But it goes like this:

Mp said that svs was around. Someone else said she wasn't. My question is who is right? Has she been around or not? I feel like one of these two people maybe said something they shouldn't have. I think this needs to be explained, but I'll have to look back to find the second player, can't remember and don't have time. Ok that's all for now.
Mata that may have been me. I said I haven't seen her on this site and I haven't seen her on RM either. I think I also asked bea and Kate if they were reading this let us know have they heard from her. This just isn't like her, civv or bad or indy.

It looks like it has been over a week since she's posted in this thread, which is very unlike her. It must not be very fun not having internet access, for sure.

S~V~S wrote:I am having some horrible internet issues; I gather Hedge was not bad, I don't want to scroll back on phone~ sorry for the serious misread

I will hopefully get these issues resolved very soon, bbl, I hope~

Matahari et al: This post, which was made on the 13th, over a week ago, was the last post we have from S~V~S

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Mongoose, BDH is really starting to bug me again. And now he's trying to get troops rallied up about borokkuei just because he said he was happy someone died... and after borokkuei explained it, it seemed totally sensible to me. Of course, borokkuei could be bad, and then my evaluation of this goes out the window, but it's what I'm thinking currently. I then asked BDH and apparently I'm still his number 1 suspect after 6 mafia days, which means either he is the most tunnel-visioned civvie I've ever seen and not willing to consider other scenarios, or he is a baddie trying to wind me up. I can't tell. And I feel I can't properly issue an opinion on the matter at all because he's been attacking me all game.

Let the record reflect that I am watching that situation as well.

MovingPictures07 wrote: And Mongoose, if you're a baddie, then damn you. :P

Don't worry, I'm not! It's exceedingly obvious when I'm a slippery serpent.

My post earlier got eaten. It was mostly in response to Snowy's positing that SVS may be getting framed for being Trogdor due to her absence. Basically, I stated that I had not thought of a potential framing situation, but I wasn't sure how likely that would be.
Why would Trog take the chance that he would get offed in the interim while trying to frame someone? S/he would have lost out on several prospective kills (kills that may have been the exact people to vote for him in the Day Poll).

I'm leaning toward SVS, but I would like to give her chance to come in and give us the scoop. I don't think anything will come out of voting Gleam 2 days in a row, but we should know more information after today's vote result.

agleaminranks wrote:You know what I love? Gardettos. Gardettos are freaking delicious.

Those are shoes, right?

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:MP and Dom both seem to be hugely overreacting to people discussing them IMO. I could be up for an SVS vote if it's possible she's T-dor (I'm basically making a thing now of not saying the SK's name properly No idea why, it's just fun).

Snow Dog wrote:I could go for an S~V~S vote as you might recall I mentioned her a while ago. Still waiting for her answer to my question after hedge's lynch. She is number 1 on my list I think. Althoug Trog could be cleverly not killing while certain players are absent. That would be really devious.
If Trog is an absent player how can that player come back and start killing anyway? It'd be like saying hey it's me.
Unless like I said he is being really devious.
That's a good point and has actually affected me before, I missed a few nights as a baddie once and then when I came back continued to not use my power so people would think I was dead. It actually worked as well. There are other ways Mr. Burnination could come back and try to avoid outing himself but certainly anyone who showed back up now around the time he started killing again would come under suspicion.
By set up, do you mean a wily player here is actually Trogdor and is taking advantage of her radio silence in order to frame her? If that's what you meant, I hadn't thought of that. I'm going to give her as long as I can before voting her, because I'm heavily leaning that way too.

My only issue with voting SVS is that she could be being set up. Gotta vote for someone though and if she don't reply soon she's geting my vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I obviously need to walk away, so that is what I am doing.

I just don't understand why I even bother sometimes; no one even pays attention.

My bad, I meant Coach Z died Night 1, not Day 1.

Just turn the tables on the baddies, MP. If you feel like they are running the show, let them run on a cliff a la Thelma & Louise.

And just to recapitulate: I think Coach Z likely died on Day 1 because no one was ever jailed, ever.

Dom wrote:I think SVS is a good Trogdor candidate. I agree with Strongsad on vomps as well.

MovingPictures07 wrote:With 21 players left and assuming the 3 players that have died are civvie... this means we're looking at Trogdor, 4 Blue Laser, and 3 Teen Girl Squad members still alive, and thus leaving behind 13 civvies.

That's sort of disheartening. Especially since I believe it to be true. It is imperative we catch a baddie today.

Timmer, I am curious as to how much further you've gotten in your catch up, and what you are currently thinking. I also want to hear from everyone who suspects me heavily to see if they still do so, and why.

Additionally I want to see if LT and indi have made any progress; what are their thoughts? I suspected bea just a bit before she left (or really, just had NO idea about her, but she made me wonder a few times) and I felt pretty good about Matt F.

Gotta go, be around later.
Wow. You start posting again and you're right back to be suspicious. Seriously? "I'll assume all NK'd players are civvies". You're portraying a worst case scenario as THE scenario. It could be better too. Creating panic? Is that your aim, MP?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I was leaning toward a Borok vote for Day 6, but I think he suffers more from a self confidence crisis and not baddie guilt, so I'll look elsewhere.
I think I agree, actually. I know Borokkuei... and I'm not sure I'm convinced he's a great place to look anymore. I'm not sure though.

I'm beginning to wonder if there is a baddie lying amongst Dom, timmer, BDH, CBK, etc., but I'm not sure how to snuff one out, and I feel incredibly biased on the matter.
WOW
SO BASICALLY SOMEONE WHO SUSPECTS YOU IS BAD
Literally, that's your reasoning!
WHY ARE PEOPLE LISTENING TO YOU!??!!??!

Mongoose wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose, what do you think of BWT and juliets, as well as Dom, timmer, and Snow Dog, out of curiosity?
Dude I can read BWT about as well as you can. I pretty much always tend to read him as civ.

Juliets - civ leaning

Dom - I'm a little scared to say because then he will come after meeee

timmer - Probably civ

Snow - President of CivCorp

Of course out of all o those, at least one is probably bad just in the numbers game. The civ surplus is dwindling so much that we shall be even stevens before too long.
You don't have to fear me going after you because I believe you to be civvie. I think. For now....

If you suspect me, speak up, Mongoose. I am no cobra.

Thanks! I'm just unsure about you is all. We've not really played many games together.

In RE: Trogpants. I don't think he is dead. I'm guessing it is someone inactive, but I wouldn't put it past this slippery bunch to do the latter.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose, what do you think of BWT and juliets, as well as Dom, timmer, and Snow Dog, out of curiosity?

Dude I can read BWT about as well as you can. I pretty much always tend to read him as civ.

Juliets - civ leaning

Dom - I'm a little scared to say because then he will come after meeee

timmer - Probably civ

Snow - President of CivCorp

Of course out of all o those, at least one is probably bad just in the numbers game. The civ surplus is dwindling so much that we shall be even stevens before too long.

Self confidence crisis in RE: the game, obv.

I was leaning toward a Borok vote for Day 6, but I think he suffers more from a self confidence crisis and not baddie guilt, so I'll look elsewhere.

borokkuei wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
borokkuei wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Now you know! So I find it interesting that you and others are really trying to convince anyone else that llama could have actually been baddie... to me, it either is thread manipulation or its just flat out ignorance... which I can understand, but I and others had a huge discussion on this previously, and it has come up multiple times since then, so IDK. I do realize it has been a lot to read, so I get that.

I am trying to take that into consideration, but you can understand how it could be interpreted that your intentions could possibly be nefarious.

And there is a way to edit posts, but not in this forum, for obvious reasons (someone could edit something they previously said, which would be problematic).

Borokkuei, what do you think of Dom?
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything -- that would be ridiculous considering that I really don't have an opinion on anyone yet other than what other people have been saying. Right now I've gathered that gleam could possibly be the cheerleader, and I do find his survival of the lynch to be odd, but it's also possible that he could be a civ that was protected by another civ, right?

Based on what I've read of Dom's posts, he seems like a pretty cool guy.
That is possible, but very unlikely. Crackotage is the only role that can lynch stop, and I imagine that player would save those for himself (which could be gleam), considering that player only would know with certainty that he is civvie and not anyone else. The only other possibilities are Homestar (unlikely), Homsar, or The Cheerleader.

You don't have any particular game-related thoughts on Dom?
Not really. All of the players seem neutral to me, which I guess means everyone is playing very well.

I feel that way a lot. Sometimes someone will scream baddie at me (or vice versa), but it's all in the nuance (for my analysis anyway).

MovingPictures07 wrote:
borokkuei wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Now you know! So I find it interesting that you and others are really trying to convince anyone else that llama could have actually been baddie... to me, it either is thread manipulation or its just flat out ignorance... which I can understand, but I and others had a huge discussion on this previously, and it has come up multiple times since then, so IDK. I do realize it has been a lot to read, so I get that.

I am trying to take that into consideration, but you can understand how it could be interpreted that your intentions could possibly be nefarious.

And there is a way to edit posts, but not in this forum, for obvious reasons (someone could edit something they previously said, which would be problematic).

Borokkuei, what do you think of Dom?
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything -- that would be ridiculous considering that I really don't have an opinion on anyone yet other than what other people have been saying. Right now I've gathered that gleam could possibly be the cheerleader, and I do find his survival of the lynch to be odd, but it's also possible that he could be a civ that was protected by another civ, right?

Based on what I've read of Dom's posts, he seems like a pretty cool guy.
That is possible, but very unlikely. Crackotage is the only role that can lynch stop, and I imagine that player would save those for himself (which could be gleam), considering that player only would know with certainty that he is civvie and not anyone else. The only other possibilities are Homestar (unlikely), Homsar, or The Cheerleader.

You don't have any particular game-related thoughts on Dom?

Yeah, you'd have to be really dang sure if you were Crackotage. Probably would save for oneself.

borokkuei wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Now you know! So I find it interesting that you and others are really trying to convince anyone else that llama could have actually been baddie... to me, it either is thread manipulation or its just flat out ignorance... which I can understand, but I and others had a huge discussion on this previously, and it has come up multiple times since then, so IDK. I do realize it has been a lot to read, so I get that.

I am trying to take that into consideration, but you can understand how it could be interpreted that your intentions could possibly be nefarious.

And there is a way to edit posts, but not in this forum, for obvious reasons (someone could edit something they previously said, which would be problematic).

Borokkuei, what do you think of Dom?
I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything -- that would be ridiculous considering that I really don't have an opinion on anyone yet other than what other people have been saying. Right now I've gathered that gleam could possibly be the cheerleader, and I do find his survival of the lynch to be odd, but it's also possible that he could be a civ that was protected by another civ, right?

Based on what I've read of Dom's posts, he seems like a pretty cool guy.

Okay, but what do your teammates think about Dom?

Borok - If you need to edit something, just make an additional post and put "EBWOP" at the beginning (it stands for Edited By Way of Post). It lets us know that you want to edit or add something to your post (or even clarify) but the hosts can't allow editing of game posts for obvious reasons.

What site was Recruitment Mafia on? (In case I want to have a skimmy skim). Thanks!

Sometimes slip ups too.

I think voting record is more dispositive.

Also, I think you might be bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:indi, I understand completely. Don't worry about it at all. As Mongoose said, hopefully and presumably the game will settle down right about here, and I think it will. I can't believe we've topped the number of posts in Grimm already and we're approaching Avant-Garde 2.
What's the record, MOTU?
Correct. If this game even gets close to that, I'd be incredibly impressed, considering MOTU is by far the longest game I've ever seen hosted (ending at a whopping Night 22).

Is it the longest in terms of sheer number of posts also?

MovingPictures07 wrote:indi, I understand completely. Don't worry about it at all. As Mongoose said, hopefully and presumably the game will settle down right about here, and I think it will. I can't believe we've topped the number of posts in Grimm already and we're approaching Avant-Garde 2.

What's the record, MOTU?

I think due to the frenzy and chaos that is only DAY ONE of Sherlock, you guys will be able to get your seal legs a bit better. I think our marathon of posting has died down a bit.

An addendum: I'm going to look through Llama's posts to see a) what he was talking about to make Blue Lasers want him dead and b) who might be framing him for the same.

Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Interestingly no Dragon kill yet again.
He hasn't killed since Borok died. I'm thinking Troggy-face is someone who hasn't been around very much or at all since night 2/day 3. Does that description actually fit any players though?

Troggy could be laying low and being active in the forum. He could do this long enough to make us think he is dead and then start killing again. But I think there could be more at play here than meets the eye.

Doh Llama.

Daisy, were their missing PMs / how many missing PMs?

thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I want to hear more from Gleam. I want to be convinced he is not the Cheerleader.

But meantime I will try and reread him. How sure are we that Llama is civ. Can he not be the role pegged for Gleam. I'm getting paranoid again.
I certainly could be, but I promise you I'm not. MP knows this and Matt F knew it before abandoning me.

It's okay, I still got your back.

You guys: I'm not sure it's super wise to tell everyone what hut you are inside. Are you hoping there's safety in numbers?

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:
Mongoose wrote: CBK: Are you a killer of bunnies that's a captain OR a bunny who is a captain and a killer?
I am the nickname Sawyer gave Ben for supposedly killing a bunny. Basically, I just love Ben. But I have no idea which people in this game are LOST fans.

Ohhhh yes. I haven't seen Lost in so long. Thanks for the response!

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