The Syndicate

Mr. D wrote: excellent job Roxy <3

thanks for all the btsc everyone. I had a lot of fun

Who are yoooou?

I'm voting Brian Jones. He's dead like me.

Well crap on creme fraiche. Bye everyone! Cool game, Roxy!

Enjoyed you, Mr. D. Hope you won't miss your Friendly, Neighborhood Mongoose too much (but a little never hurt).

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hedge - Your response is duly noted. If you are a civvie, please take my apologies. I still think you aren't though. If there is anything you still need to address, I will let you know.

I think it's weird Hedge concludes Mongoose must be bad because missed vote = no kill. I already said my theory on why there was no kill and that's that I believe it is heavily possible the killer was blocked last night. Even if not so and I am wrong, to conclude Mongoose is baddie based on that seems really fishy to me, especially since as I pointed out there are many blocks and protects going around. This only solidifies my viewpoint that Hedge is likely baddie.

I'm wondering if Epig is baddie instead of DP because he even said how strong of a candidate DP was, and now his weird switch of a vote onto Mongoose today makes me wonder. I guess more analysis can come after the result; I may be putting the cart before the horse.

And Russ, yes, it probably is unlike me. I literally just walked in the door and haven't done anything else. I didn't feel that strongly that you, Mongoose, or Epig were bad, and I seriously intended on just voting Hedge and not having to worry about the vote, especially since I knew I'd be busier. I've been working more on my PhD applications as well and it's taking longer than even anticipated, so I knew I wouldn't have hardly any time to discuss this Day 5 cycle. Additionally, I thought it was already well discussed that Hedge and DP seemed like good options, so when Epig comes in here and is all like, "This strikes me as ludicrous", when even he himself admitted DP's actions should have been examined under scrutiny earlier just seems weird to me. But anyway, I thought, I had to make a decision just in case I didn't get around to voting; I literally had only a few minutes this morning. So I just went with DP.

I honestly don't know about you, Mongoose, and Epig; none of you have really struck me as overtly baddie this game, but I've had plenty of my moments of paranoia and thinking you could be baddie -- but didn't want to say anything until I could back it up to myself with logic. Paranoia with no basis does nobody any good.

For what it's worth, I really don't think you're baddie. Mongoose MIGHT be, but I really don't think so. Epig and DP are possibilities. Hedge I'm almost sure is, though I'm trying to consider all the possibilities, and I'm still even nervous about her.

There's a lot for me to consider in there before the next vote (if I live).

Hedgeowl wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I ain't murderin' nobody 'round these parts.

(Or, for your militant grammarians, "I am not murdering anyone around this vicinity or any other vicinity).
This isn't much of a defense. Have you thrown in the towel? I hate voting you, but the logic of missed vote plus no kill makes me think you are bad this time friend.

votes Mongoose

Yeah I have, I guess. There's several baddies still alive, so it seems like wasted effort this late in the game.

All right, well enjoy lynching a civ.

I ain't murderin' nobody 'round these parts.

(Or, for your militant grammarians, "I am not murdering anyone around this vicinity or any other vicinity).

I am simply nervous about missing the vote.

AND

Thought it would elicit some good conversations and reactions from players that would be quite illuminating.

Hmm. Very interesting turn of events.

Alex - do you wanna tell us your thoughts on the double no kill?

I'm gonna go ahead and vote DP early so I don't miss the vote. If he convinces me otherwise, or a sleeper creeper emerges before then, I'll be happy to change my vote.

Mr. D wrote:Just as I suspected...

Mr. D, do you have any idea of why we've thankfully had two nights of no kills?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I don't think she's baddie because she escaped death. I think she's baddie because of what I said earlier. Her escaping death adds nothing to the case for me; I was already convinced.

Oh okay, thank you for clarifying that.

MovingPictures07 wrote: How is it weird? The baddies knew it would fail, why not go with it? In fact, it makes complete sense. Do you see a stronger case on anyone else right now, or do you disagree with mine? If so, why?

I agree with you on your analysis of DP certainly. I feel he is a stronger candidate. If he popped up bad, I think then we could analyze any possible BTS partners he may have.

I could go on and on about this, but I will try to distill my thoughts on Hedge to a very concise graf. As someone who has played the same amount of time as her (we signed up the same week, tra la la), I just feel she wouldn't err in the ways that her opponents have been insinuating. This ain't her first rodeo, as they say.

If I may bounce the ball back (aww I miss 4-square), what makes you (or any of you) feel that she is a better lynch candidate in comparison to DP?

Hedge: Who do you think is most likely to be bad? I think one (or more) of the baddies is very expertly pulling the wool over my eyes. Do you think I'm getting bamboozled? If so, by who?

DP: You are bad, Y/N?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:Hey! I am alive! No one seems happy about this, but me. Then again literally everyone voted for me, except Mongoose . Seriously, think about it, why would everyone vote for me, unless either I was the last baddie alive and you are all on to me due to literally one statement SVS thinks was suspect or the baddies are scapegoating me or Mongoose and I are baddie teammates (omg that's never happened, but that would be the most fun ever! )

We are being played for sure and if someone dies tonight we will be in really bad shape tomorrow if there are 3 baddies left. They will control the lynch and I will be a prime target again wasting another lynch opportunity.

I am not sure if MP is genuine in his belief of me as baddie or whether DP jumped on that bandwagon too fast, but I suspect one of them is definitely bad. Will be watching them both closely.

sorry I haven't been more active this weekend , but I am now sick too. Blergh. Hope to recover soon.
Does anyone actually believe any of this?

Perhaps - a lot of roles have protect and block abilities - there are just as many civ-friendly reasons for her escaping death (if not more) than mafia-friendly. I think we've all been there: you survive a vote and then everyone thinks you are bad because you survived.

I do find it really weird that everyone voted for her; I'm not in a place where I can complain about voting records, but I find this thoroughly strange.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:Sorry, dudes, I was in the hospital visiting a friend that was admitted and literally did not think about mafia all day until this moment. I woulda likely voted DP.
Why DP instead of Hedge?

That's a good question - I posted that quickly during my drive-by before I had caught up (still haven't caught up but will tomorrow during my shift(s). I've been awfully crappy during this game and that will cease tomorrow).

So basically - I'll get back to you on what I think.

linki - Thanks, Russti! Friend is okay, just had to stay an extra day for a hernia surgery that had complications so we sat with him a spell so his partner could run home and bathe, stuff like that.

Sorry, dudes, I was in the hospital visiting a friend that was admitted and literally did not think about mafia all day until this moment. I woulda likely voted DP.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP Juliets!

I guess she left her lynch switch on the table then. :/

Ditto, very very interesting.

juliets wrote:Mongoose, I'm reading back through your posts and I can't understand this one. It's in response to SVS asking you who you meant when you said you saw some aggressive players playing less aggressively (I'm paraphrasing there just to let you know what post you were responding to). Can you tell me what you are saying here?

Mongoose wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Like who, Mongoose? Can you name names, please? More helpful that way
Loike the wahn bloke 'oo 'as the masters of the universe avatar. but na 'e will be Mum and Dad at meeeee and wanna Tiddley Win' me Claret so daan't let 'im, okay?

It's too Liz Hurley for me ter tell if 'e is a snakey Joe Blake obviously, but it's a bit pingy for me from this yoga ball on which I Eartha Kitt.

Does that make any Eigh'een Pence?

linki - I done loike that Din' Dong.

Hi Juliets - this post was about Epi; I didn't go back and clarify any of this because Alex and I talked about him pretty extensively afterward. I feel pretty good about him after his responses though.

I'm going to go ahead and vote for DP as it's not that early anymore and I might get caught up in a whirlwind of tidying very soon.

Mr. D wrote:Guys sorry I have been so absent lately. Had some stuff to do, but Mr D is back and better than ever! I can tell you all that you are very wrong in at least one if your suspicions, but I am not gonna tell you which one. As for the last night poll, only one option benefited, but which one? and did they have info? I'll let you all be the judge of that!

Whoever used "squirrelly" is now my favorite person ever. I use that at least once a day.

I am so glad to be your fave person ever!

Oooh I'm the cute brown one.

Why so tense?

Epignosis wrote:Were you to vote for a Lizzy voter, who would it be? Those are the folks I'm checking out.

DP seems extra squirrelly this game.

One day, he'll end up being the baddie and none of us will vote for him (or even suspect him) because of all these mislynches. It'll be the opposite of The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

Epignosis wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
Epignosis wrote:The Lizzy votes came in BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM 1-2-3-4 like a band getting ready to play. They came in right when llama voted for MovingPictures.

That's the first thing that sticks out to me.
Indeed, indeed. I don't know exactly how to connect the dots though. Do you have any interpretation(s)?
That's the thing- it's all so circumstantial. One or two in that crew have to be rotten. That's when I look through the posts and am like the bear that went over the mountain.

Very true, and Matt and Lizzy are easy scapegoats.

Epignosis wrote:The Lizzy votes came in BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM 1-2-3-4 like a band getting ready to play. They came in right when llama voted for MovingPictures.

That's the first thing that sticks out to me.

Indeed, indeed. I don't know exactly how to connect the dots though. Do you have any interpretation(s)?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:ZOMG our outlandish theories are distracting/steering the thread! Everyone, buckle up! Watch out for following rocks!

I feel like everyone here is a vet enough not to try a simple frame job. But a double cross - I think he might just be shenanigany enough to go for it. Or maybe --- the patented triple cross. Or on wheels would be Motocross.

Wait I have something here. Check this out.

A lot of players seem to have block and protect powers. Maybe one of the baddies detected somehow she used the block on them and somehow guessed she had an alignment-learning ability? Or for all we know, one of the secret abilities is to find out the other players' secret abilities.

Also, her being an indie (I am inferring that correctly, right?) makes her the most possibly-threatening to the baddies - they may not know what to expect out of her and that gave them great unease.

linki - Yes.
CRISS CROSS!

Yeah, there are a lot of blocks and protects going around. Hmmmm... interesting theory. It would be very different though; I don't think I've seen really any baddies that can "sense" when they've been blocked and who did it and what that person's role was (especially not all of those at once) but it's possible... I guess.

True, but I think it's probably much more simple; I doubt they knew her role or anything like that. Maybe she just seemed like a good target.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm curious about what [people think] my play style is.
Aggressive, logical, straight-forward, analyzing.

Something like that. You seem a bit subdued currently. Thoughts, sir?
I appreciate that, but I like to think I'm a little different each time, especially early on (you must've missed the one on RM where I talked the entire time in video game quotes- a little self-imposed curse to mix it up).

Frankly, I just don't see the point in coming in screaming X COULD BE TRUE...but I could be wrong.

That said, I am here, but I'm just watching Carolina rip Tampa Bay a new one.
That's probably true. Which game was that? I think I caught a glimpse of that. Sounds like fun!

Eh, maybe you're right, but I like to talk things out, helps me organize my often scattered thoughts. I feel like it helps. Maybe it actually doesn't. I'm not a fantastic civvie detective anyway. Lol.

You don't have any thoughts or suspicions currently though? If you do come up with anything, I'd be glad to hear it!

With that, I need to get some rest, so see you all tomorrow at lunch!

Yeah, I'm for sure not trying to paint you as some big, bad, Holocaust-cloak-wearing sonofagun, but just directly and candidly answer Footsleeve's question.

Epignosis wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I'm curious about what [people think] my play style is.
Aggressive, logical, straight-forward, analyzing.

Something like that. You seem a bit subdued currently. Thoughts, sir?
I appreciate that, but I like to think I'm a little different each time, especially early on (you must've missed the one on RM where I talked the entire time in video game quotes- a little self-imposed curse to mix it up).

Frankly, I just don't see the point in coming in screaming X COULD BE TRUE...but I could be wrong.

That said, I am here, but I'm just watching Carolina rip Tampa Bay a new one.

Aww, why is everyone always hating on Tampa Bay.

Anywho, there's just not been that much meaty discussion (also sorry for the inadvertent meaty night thing double entendre above), so I am hoping we can crank that up. The discussion up. I am not trying to crank up the double entendres.

ZOMG our outlandish theories are distracting/steering the thread! Everyone, buckle up! Watch out for following rocks!

I feel like everyone here is a vet enough not to try a simple frame job. But a double cross - I think he might just be shenanigany enough to go for it. Or maybe --- the patented triple cross. Or on wheels would be Motocross.

Wait I have something here. Check this out.

A lot of players seem to have block and protect powers. Maybe one of the baddies detected somehow she used the block on them and somehow guessed she had an alignment-learning ability? Or for all we know, one of the secret abilities is to find out the other players' secret abilities.

Also, her being an indie (I am inferring that correctly, right?) makes her the most possibly-threatening to the baddies - they may not know what to expect out of her and that gave them great unease.

linki - Yes.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Thoughts on juliets and Epig, Mongoose?

Or better yet, if you had to vote literally RIGHT NOW, who would it be for and why?

I have no idea if anyone was following this when I was trying to voice it earlier (yesterday I think) but Epi-Pen pinged me a bit, so I have to choose him [insert adorable ferret smiley here so he won't hate me]. Just a slight pingy-ping-a-ling. I didn't want to make a big deal about it because I know it's super irritating to me when people are like 'Hey you aren't constantly making the thread overflow with your chatter, so you must be bad," so I didn't want to make a big deal out of his playstyle seeming a little different this time around.

I've played in a few games with Juliets now, sure, but it seems I always tend to die early in those games (which has nothing to do with her being in those games, just a sad coincidence), so I am not sure I know how to read her yet.

Hey, does anyone know what time it is?

OH it's wacky mongoose speculation time! C'mon, you missed it a little.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Yeah, I thought Llama and S~V~S was standard operating procedure as well; IMO, healthy (emphasis on healthy) mafia banter can sometimes be heated so long as it's in good sport, it's a part of the game.

Even if a baddie really knew S~V~S's civ game though, why kill her? It seemed she was getting enough talked about her one way or the other. Someone felt threatened, I think.

You think it could be more in the vein of my Theory B then? Not that exact same necessary scenario, per se, but something similar? What are some other reasons that they could feel so threatened already? Just taking out a known strong player early on maybe, but I feel like there must be more to the story.

I will add a Theory C. Someone could be framing Llama Lo. That seems very rookie though! What if it's a double bluff -- Llama knows we wouldn't suspect him as murdering SVS, because it's wholly transparent, so he done murders her anyway.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Well, given S~V~S is dead, that changes this whole matter now, doesn't it? Not sure what I think honestly.

What do you think, Mongoose?

Woo, I sound normal again. I hope you all could kinda understand me.

FootHat, I am not sure what to think. I didn't think the back-and-forth between SVS and Llama was particularly eventful, but maybe that's just in comparison to a couple of the more, um, colorful games we've had around here lately? It seemed to be standard operating procedure and I didn't see anything that SVS said to really put a target on her back.

Total speculation, but I'm guessing either:

a) A baddie really knows SVS's civ game and they decided she was a safe bet for a Night 2 murder; or

b) a baddie role checker revealed SVS to be someone with a really meaty night talent.

Russtifinko wrote:
Surprisingly, thus far I haven't been pinged by BWT, which is weird because he ALWAYS pings me. So I'm not sure what that means.
Epi makes me nervous, but I think that's still an aftereffect of the Bioshock game, which I still haven't entirely gotten over the shock of.

Me too, Currant Ban, me too. i'm not Bobby if it was bioshock or if 'e's just more chill and Watford Gap 'appy this nickle and dime 'round. I'm not super suspicious of 'im yet though. keepin' me lil' ferret Britney Spears peeled (for ovver nah Robin Hood varmints).

MovingPictures07 wrote:It seems people have misunderstood what I was saying. I was by no means saying their arguments were staged. I think that's preposterous.

I am saying that I believe one of them could be baddie; I originally wrote it all off and didn't see any reason to suspect them. I still don't have any particular reason, but I'm wondering if players might have tipped the attention away from either of them in some way based on the way the D2 vote went down.

As to why I am considering that, call it considering every possible scenario... or just paranoia.

I did misunderstand ya, so Arfur J Shanks for clarifyin'. if ya only fin' wahn of those Bo-le Of Glue saucepan lids is Sorry and Sad, which would ya Drum your Bread and Honey on, sock czar?

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am also beginning to wonder if one of Llama or S~V~S is a baddie. Seems others are mocking the whole "there's nothing there" thing, but now I wonder.

Curious if DP has more thoughts to bring to the table as well.

Ya fin' they could be fakin'? fakin' the bleedin' 'rguin' between them I mean?

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:No bass? What is this!? I guess ordinary guitar will have to do.

I woulda gone wif Beggar Boys Face too, if it 'ad been there. but tambourines 're kinda tangy, so let's bang away.

Roxy wrote:
Epignosis wrote:I voted for bird, but when I hit submit, the poll was gone.
This is weird. I pulled the poll at exactly 643 but yet this post you made is timed at 643. Idk what to think.

That's exactly wot I 'appened ter me! the poll looked Calvin Klein, I 'ad ffree mins left!!! plenty of nickle and dime ter vote for epi-pen and explain me vote. but chicken pen I pressed submit it refreshed and it didn't Scapa Fla through.

S~V~S wrote:Good Question. Epi~

I am though

Voting Hedgeowl

linki~ she is saying that she can see Lizzy vote, yet she also is suspicious of it, and indeed wound up voting for it. She set herself up to teeter either way, me or Lizzy, depending how the wind blew. That is how it reads to me at least. Her vote for lizzy makes me suspect lizzy a bit more, tbh.

Arfur J Shanks, that is very 'elpful!

S~V~S wrote:Unless I have no choice, I will likely vote Hedgie~ she seems to be playing both sides of the fence.

Wot is the bleedin' difference between playin' bof sides of the fence and playin' devil's advocate? that is a serious inquiry, by the way.

Cheese and Rice on a Dick Van Dyke

S~V~S wrote:Like who, Mongoose? Can you name names, please? More helpful that way

Loike the wahn bloke 'oo 'as the masters of the universe avatar. but na 'e will be Mum and Dad at meeeee and wanna Tiddley Win' me Claret so daan't let 'im, okay?

It's too Liz Hurley for me ter tell if 'e is a snakey Joe Blake obviously, but it's a bit pingy for me from this yoga ball on which I Eartha Kitt.

Does that make any Eigh'een Pence?

linki - I done loike that Din' Dong.

Wa, lots of lizzy voters. she will never bee 'ive daahhhn 'er nerfarious win in thomas the tank engine game.

I've been readin' through aw me posts, and I aint even Bobby wot I thought they were supposed ter be.

I am a lil' concerned that a few of the bloomin' more aggressive players 're bein' a bit blendy this game. they 're contributin', Bobby, but it's aw pretty innocuous stuff. this bein' such a radical departure from their usual m.o. 'as me a lil' bit ka-wonk-a-wonk.

juliets wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:
Lizzy wrote:Hai! This is my second attempt at posting. Stoopid phone! Anyway, I have to vote now because I am internetless and my phone reception is rubbish, so I'm expecting it to die again. I'll vote for SVS because Llama seems like his old self to me, except more cockney which is quite brilliant. :P
I was going to agree with you because I have seen thos exact same situation with SVS and Llama before, but then I remembered this is Lizzy. Makes me go all swinging back in forth in my feelings now, but hope you come back befor the vote ans explain more.
Ok, Hedgie let me make sure I understand: are you saying you are considering voting for SVS because you've seen she and llama disagree in past games? And why would that lead you to vote SVS over llama? Maybe I've totally misunderstood what you're saying.

It seems loike the typical Brad Pitt and tat from Llamer and SVS ter me. I daan't clock that their Hammer and Tack and forf is particularly alarmin' either way; doesn't seem loike a 'ex per se. glad ya 're 'appy wif the results, Roxy!

linki - Them 're spittin' dickie birds, 'oss.

thellama73 wrote:
Mongoose wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: I can't understand these posts by llama at all, but I do see he seems to be saying I caught his attention... for the post I just addressed above this one? Why would that make me baddie??? If that's what he's trying to say, it's utterly ridiculous IMO and if he votes that way, I'll honestly probably vote for him back because if he is a civvie he would be doing none of us any favors by floating such inane reasons to vote, but I find that less likely because it seems very illogical of llama to vote for someone for that reason.
A llama does not respond 'eaven and 'ell ter threats! I am always deeply suspicious of people 'oo agree wif others wifaht addin' thoughts of their Jack Jones. I fin' that is wot ya 'ave been doin' so far this game, and I am votin' for ya. if ya fin' a revenge vote Hammer and Tack is a smart fin' ter do, be me guest! *votes sock bloke*
Why the Liz Hurley vote? daan't ya fin' sum more shenanigans might occur this afternoon?
Chinese Blind ya Jack Jones business

Oi, you're talkin' ter a lydy, sir.

thellama73 wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote: I can't understand these posts by llama at all, but I do see he seems to be saying I caught his attention... for the post I just addressed above this one? Why would that make me baddie??? If that's what he's trying to say, it's utterly ridiculous IMO and if he votes that way, I'll honestly probably vote for him back because if he is a civvie he would be doing none of us any favors by floating such inane reasons to vote, but I find that less likely because it seems very illogical of llama to vote for someone for that reason.
A llama does not respond 'eaven and 'ell ter threats! I am always deeply suspicious of people 'oo agree wif others wifaht addin' thoughts of their Jack Jones. I fin' that is wot ya 'ave been doin' so far this game, and I am votin' for ya. if ya fin' a revenge vote Hammer and Tack is a smart fin' ter do, be me guest! *votes sock bloke*

Why the Liz Hurley vote? daan't ya fin' sum more shenanigans might occur this afternoon?

'ells bells.

Ugh, yeah, me too. i agree. On The Floor ole russ did take it a bit personal, but maybe 'e felt jumped upon due ter 'is tardy appearance. i Orange Peel loike i'm in a bloke ritchie movie. I can't understand those guys even wif the subtitles on.

I don't have strong feelings on Day 1 votes; I feel like baddies are too clever to tip their hands that early.

Some really good analysis from Hedge, but that's not surprising!

Welcome, Russti!

I'm at someone's house "watching" that Identity Theft film, but I'm going to .

linki - Yay, everyone is still here!

I'm really sad about how early Matt tends to be lunched. And lunched on D1. Let's break through the same ole same ole this game. New horizons shall be explored.

Mr. D wrote:So, my last dance partner was a little shabby. They stepped all over my feet and ignored me half the night

Who to pick next? hmmm

Me me me! Pick me, I'm a fun girl.

thellama73 wrote:Sorry to see Matt go. RIP. Hopefully we will have a better idea of what to do tomorrow. For now, I'm voting box C, because I just had a box of Chinese food and Chinese starts wit a C, as does Cookie, as in Fortune Cookie, and I want good fortune. It makes total sense.

Was it Lo Mein? That's not Mo' Lame. Yum. But if you talk insanified, how will we know if it's you or the MSG?

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