The Syndicate

Matt F wrote:Daisy, another good catch on Snowdog, re: Civs with NK

I thought there were no bad guys or good guys?

Also, Bullz claims he has no alliance, but I'm pretty sure he and Snowdog are in one. Note Snowdog not answering me about alliance with Bullz.

They have already formed one, and they do not want the thread to know in fear the thread will turn on them and vote them out before they have a chance to steer the thread in the direction they want.

I hope people let AP and myself off the hook today, and vote Bullz, before his alliance grows too powerful, tbh.

I'd have been allied with you if you hadn't screwed the game up for me and you wouldn't have had any kind of problem with that so I don't know why you suddenly have this big thing about alliances, but anyway I'm not in an alliance with anyone, I messaged a ton of people and they all said the same thing. They also all replied after you came into the thread shouting out things that could probably have been resolved in PM. Funny, that.

Matt F wrote:Bullz, I would think you could reveal who your partner was without revealing what your roles are.

So...what's what? Was DH lying? Were you lying?

Linki - Okay, if the word "bad guys" irritates people so much, then yes, I want to take people out with kills that the thread can't vote on.

Oh...no response to my claim that you and Bullz have an alliance and you would say anything at this point to agree with him?

Didn't think so.

Except absolutely nobody in this thread wants their partner to be revealed because it puts them at risk if someone wants to cross them. It's a terrible idea and you know that I wouldn't want it out in the open. I'm beginning to think you lied to me about your role and have deliberately put me into this situation so I would be completely screwed for the duration of this phase. Nobody will ally with me now you've caused all this trouble so I'm practically on my own, revealing my teammate would probably ruin the game for both of us.

Spacedaisy wrote:
Bullz, did you or did you not claim DH as your teammate? AP has explained he believed Matt F was referring to DH offering an alliance to him. DH, did you offer and alliance to him?
2. Bullz has never said anything about DH's statement that Matt F has been twice deceived. Either he is or is not your teammate, correct? Ad you either did or did not claim this, correct? So tell me Bullz, is Matt F. Lying when he I'd you claimed this, or is DH lying when he said he is not your teammate?

I can't really answer either of those, which is why I haven't said anything about it. This is why I'm annoyed at Matt and why I'm in a really awkward position right now. I basically can't defend myself without outing myself and revealing some stuff to the entire thread, which I'm definitely not going to do. I'm pretty sure Matt knows this and that's why he's done what he has tbh. I kinda wish I could change my vote now actually but what's done is done. All I'll say is I thought I would be able to trust Matt so I told him some things but now I wish I hadn't because his response was to come to the thread with his claims about me, AP, and DH.

Linki - Matt, you're a liar. Since you were waiting for me to do it

Matt F wrote:It's disappointing to me that you seem not to trust me at all, but are voting for AP. Why not vote me if I'm "lying" to everyone? Then if AP gets lynched goes to court, and gets locked up (which he will, btw, regardless...in a Last Man Standing game, I can't see anyone but AP's partner saying not to lock him up), you will turn around and say it's my fault.

Well, nope. I won't be held responsible. I am going to encourage the thread to vote for you today, and if AP DOES get lynched and locked up after court, I refuse to be responsible. Whether he turns up good or bad.

The thing is if you'd thought for one minute about the info I gave you and when/why I said it, it should've been obvious I was telling the truth. Instead you jumped into the thread and put me into an awkward position where I can't defend myself against your accusations properly without basically outing myself to everyone. If people vote for me you're going to force me to prove I was telling the truth and waste a lynch.

Linki @ Snow - the reason I haven't voted Matt is because I feel like if I did I'd only be doing it because I'm annoyed at him and I don't want to do that.

Matt F wrote: On top of that, Bullz has continued to PM me, telling me "Dude even though you totally screwed us up, we'll totally still be your alliance", but now it's either AP or me?!

'Continued' I sent you one PM saying that, and I've actually changed my mind since then. You're the only person here who's been outright lying to people, you've even admitted to doing so in order to 'trip people up' which makes no sense.

Linki - You should have just come back to me when AP told you what he did, we could've sorted things out. I'd have thought you would trust me more than that tbh, it's disappointing your first instinct was that I must have lied.

...Apparently it doesn't end as quickly as I thought. Misread 7:19 pm as 17:19 and assumed I had just over 20 minutes to vote Still I stand by my decision.

Oh wow I didn't realise how quickly this poll would end. For me it's a toss up between AP and Matt, but I think an AP lynch would help to figure out what's going on with all these supposed 'lies'. I also don't like voting for people out of spite and tbh that's what it would be if I were to vote Matt at this point so I think it has to be AP for me.

thellama73 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:I dunno. Ap seems to be just a misunderstanding. Something like you and I had in Homestar. He does have a tendency to avoid direct answers which is rather frustrating though.

Kinda makes you want to beat his head on the floor.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know how I feel about beating people's heads on floors though, that seems a bit mean. Unless the floor is soft.

Well obviously the floor is soft.

I didn't know that. It could have been wooden flooring. Or tiles. Neither of those are particularly soft.

Snow Dog wrote:I dunno. Ap seems to be just a misunderstanding. Something like you and I had in Homestar. He does have a tendency to avoid direct answers which is rather frustrating though.

Kinda makes you want to beat his head on the floor.

Yeah, maybe. I don't know how I feel about beating people's heads on floors though, that seems a bit mean. Unless the floor is soft.

thellama73 wrote:

Matt F wrote:Llama, I don't understand why you would want to vote me for trying to catch the bad guys lying./quote]

What do you mean "the bad guys?" There is no mafia this game, so I fail to see how anyone is more of a bad guy than anyone else. I'm prepared to consider "the bad guys" as the people who have lied to me, which so far only includes you.

Yeah that was my thought, there aren't actually any 'baddies' so Mr F is just being weird. I'd be willing to consider a vote for him as well due to how difficult he's made this game for me when I was all ready to help him. Or I'd vote AP. Could go either way yet.

The only way I can interpret what Matt F has been saying is that when I told him my role AP claimed the same, and DH claimed the role that mine is partnered with. Apparently AP also claimed to be Matt's partner to DH. I think it's clear that AP is just lying to whoever will talk to him. Or Matt is lying about everything.

Linki - nobody has messaged me. Nobody probably will now though!

A Person wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Matt F wrote:I think for the time being, I'm going to keep to myself and not create any alliances. Alliance over, Bullz, sorry if you're telling the truth.

FWIW everything I said was true. EVERYTHING

Isn't ally just a misspelling of a lie? ;D

I intend to treat my allies well though. I can look out for the people who help me in many ways but I can't look after my self that well so it's in my best interests to be as honest as I can. I've yet to lie to anybody I offered an alliance to. Can you say the same? Well the answer is clearly no.

Matt F wrote:I think for the time being, I'm going to keep to myself and not create any alliances. Alliance over, Bullz, sorry if you're telling the truth.

FWIW everything I said was true. EVERYTHING

A Person wrote:

Matt F wrote:Very interesting.

A Person and Bullz, any opinions on what's happening here?

Oh no, but I am interested to find out.

I don't know what's actually going on but I think you've claimed a role you don't have or something. I've been in contact with both Matt and DH and haven't actually lied to anyone yet so...

Hedgeowl wrote:

Matt F wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Zany Dex wrote:I've never done well in these kinds of games. I need. replacing sorry INH

Aww Dex, you should stay and try. I'm not good at puzzles either but we've all got a partner that we can offload work onto

What Bullz said.

Wouldn't it be hilarious now if you and Bullz were partners?

Y'know, I don't think Matt and I have had btsc since our very first game, way back 2 years ago now. I'd love it if we were again, and yeah it'd be quite funny after that comment.

Zany Dex wrote:I've never done well in these kinds of games. I need. replacing sorry INH

Aww Dex, you should stay and try. I'm not good at puzzles either but we've all got a partner that we can offload work onto

Actually I'll stop being moody and play tonight. This puzzle stuff looks cool, I never gave it a thought until now but I'm totally gonna figure it out and win

*Obligatory beginning of game post stuff*

I'm not really in the mood for mafia right now so I'll be back tomorrow. Just posting to check in.