The Syndicate

Hedgeowl wrote:Are we having fun yet??!?!

Lizzy dearest, I think you'd be real proud of us today.

I certainly am. The fun is only just starting for some of us though!

Matt F wrote:No one can contain my crazy.

Whoops, on topic!

This we learned to our great dismay shortly after we decided to try.

Hedgeowl wrote:
In summary: NO U

If you like. It is true though, MP is doing exactly what he says I'm doing. Anyone who thinks otherwise is lying to themselves.

Spacedaisy wrote: Not to mention someone else has been saying DH wants A Person gone. Funny that, it kind of matches the votes from A Person's court. I look forward to hearing back from INH regarding that change. I am voting AP as well, either it will force you to actually help your alliance partners (who you have not seemed too faithful to so far as far as I can tell) or it will make you show your true colors to them. One way you lose a get out jail free card. One way you lose a vote. Let's see which it will be, shall we?

I may have saved AP already in a different way (hopefully someone here takes the hint!). Honestly we did change our votes. Then we thought Snow had betrayed us so we changed them back. Here's the full story:

Matt F screws us up day one, puts me in an undefendable position that essentially reveals my partner.

Snow tells us his role and has a kill, we ask him to kill Matt and he says maybe.

We forgive Matt after much begging and despite our own best interests. The following night Matt decides we've betrayed him and messages me to that effect (we had like 3 pages of messages back and forth). The only person we'd spoken to about actively working against Matt was Snow, therefore if Matt was telling the truth Snow had betrayed us. If that was the case we saw no reason to save Snow's partner and changed our votes back.

After the lynch, Matt admits he was full of shit but it was too late for us to take back our votes. Luckily we didn't need to.

That's it. We also asked you (Daisy) not to work with Matt because we wanted him to ourselves so we could contain his crazy. You and MP have turned on me despite your own best interests and essentially conned yourselves out of a useful alliance. I also find it a little hypocritical of you both to be coming after me and DH saying how bad we are for having this big alliance that we're so obviously misleading when you're doing exactly the same. You, MP, Hedge, Jigsaw, Elo, and maybe others. You can't all win together and none of you intend to. Don't act like any of that isn't true.

At this point I don't really care because I'm going to be dead soon no matter what, due to circumstances I can't control. I just hope that the thing I've done causes trouble for people, and that everyone realizes that MP and Daisy are no better than they claim DH and I are. By next week it won't even matter, alliances will be pointless.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I do find it interesting Bullz decided to vote for me, given all I have is one puzzle kill, that apparently is a problem because DH can solve them anyway, and yet he argues that he and DH are worth keeping around, and particularly DH, because their roles aren't threatening.

You tried to kill me. You've succeeded as well because of the fact I won't have much internet over the weekend. What did you expect me to do in response, kiss you?

Spacedaisy wrote:What I find interesting is the fact that you say Bullz that you had an agreement with Lizzy. I know Lizzy believed that agreement to mean that you don't vote for her and you vote to keep her if she does go to court. You may not have voted her, but it was you and your partner's choice to take her to court, decided in your chat. And you did not vote her, but you said in your chat you were going to abstain from voting because you can't vote for her to go to jail. So much for voting her to stay. Not to mention someone else has been saying DH wants A Person gone. Funny that, it kind of matches the votes from A Person's court. I look forward to hearing back from INH regarding that change. I am voting AP as well, either it will force you to actually help your alliance partners (who you have not seemed too faithful to so far as far as I can tell) or it will make you show your true colors to them. One way you lose a get out jail free card. One way you lose a vote. Let's see which it will be, shall we?

Also, I never said you would be protected from MP. I said he would be more loyal to me than anyone else in the game and if you wanted a NK you might be able to pull strings with, he was your best shot at it. I said I would not vote him out. Anything more than that, you read into it. Also, you incorrectly assume I betrayed you for him.

You clearly turned against us Daisy. I call that a betrayal considering we did nothing against you. You and MP act like DH and I are a big bad monster that's going to devour everyone but you two have your own little alliance with Jigsaw, Hedge, and Elo so don't act all innocent. The two of you aren't even partners so you can't win together. What's your plan there exactly?

MovingPictures07 wrote:His role is useless, but you just admitted he was the best at solving puzzles and thus worth keeping around just before, right? So how is he not dangerous? And do I even need to mention your role? Or your mega alliance connections?

Why take into account what happened in another game here?

As to it being unfair, you can't align with EVERYONE. It was very clear to me from the start you and DH were only using this alliance stuff as a front to get your own way and try to manipulate everyone else.

Lest we forget it was your and DH's decision to arbitrarily railroad Lizzy for no discernable reason whatsoever except for what, she revealed the roles? The only reason I even followed suit yesterday was because my mock plan for yesterday's period didn't quite work out.

Go ahead, throw a spanner in the works, do your worst. That's what you were going to do the whole time anyway; I just sped up the process because I knew sooner or later you'd betray those closest to you.

And as to the solution, thanks for the information, but it's unsurprising.

Because Snow seemed to take it personally when Epig betrayed us and I felt bad for him.

DH and I put out feelers to see who'd join us and we ended up with Matt F (who blew up everything), Snow, and Daisy (who apparently betrayed us anyway). Not to mention I wouldn't have voted Lizzy even if I was able to control my own vote. She and I had an agreement to help each other as much as we could and I voted to find her not guilty. I didn't actually plan on betraying anyone. I wanted to take our group to the final 8 and then we could separate amicably. That's the truth.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
If you think that's true, so be it, but I don't go around backstabbing and lying. Not once have I actually lied this game. If you think that makes me a moral paragon, that's your right. In reality, I just think you and DH are dangerous as all fuck and I have no reason to trust anything you or he say (and I observed this myself), and thus you both need to go ASAP.

I was hoping other players would realize that.

Considering AP and Snow Dog didn't seem to realize that at all and were seemingly clearly aligned with both of you, I figured an AP vote was the best way to go to see if you'd actually save him or not (even though you say you're aligned with him), and to get rid of the force voter who obviously has been trying to drive wedges anyway.

I'm not totally convinced that's the right way to go anymore; I think players should maybe vote you instead.

We haven't lied to anyone. Nor are DH and I dangerous considering his role is basically useless anyway. Regarding Snow, I actually told DH when we were discussing potential allies that after Bioshock I'd feel really bad about turning on him and we agreed that we wouldn't. He doesn't have a lot of trust for me but I genuinely won't go against him ever. As to your earlier point about an 8 person alliance being unfair, between the two of us DH probably offered alliances to everyone in the game, either personally or via their partners (and never told anyone we weren't doing that). Anyone who isn't with us is so by their own choice.

MovingPictures07 wrote:It's a shame my puzzle didn't kill you, Bullz. I really hope INH steps up the intensity on those.

Don't worry, the next one will because I won't be here to solve it. I'm on holiday all weekend and probably won't get a chance to come on in time to sort it out. So you'll kill me, but only by chance. Anyway, by then I'll hopefully have thrown a spanner or three in the works. You want honesty? The solution to the puzzle in INH's sig is PHASE 2 FREE-FOR-ALL. So have fun with that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I vote MP for trying to kill me.

What?

MP targeted me last night with his "solve puzzles or die" power so now I'm probably going to die because this puzzle is actually impossible and makes no sense.

That's because you were asking for it. You and DH are going around, being all buddy buddy, making this eight-person alliance which is unfair to those who aren't in it, yet you both are SO two-faced.

You voted to jail AP the first go around yet you told Snow it was because INH didn't show your "changed" PMs. If that was the case, why didn't you publicly go in the thread like nutella did and ask him to show the correct PMs? And how you actually approached Daisy during that vote and told her to save AP, and yet you two still didn't vote that way? Oh, that's right, because you're both backstabbers.

Let me mention that I never once agreed to that eight-person alliance, only that I was volunteered to it. I could see right through your and DH's shit from a mile away and that you never intended on keeping that alliance for anyone's interest but your own. What better way to control the game than to try to get everyone on your side?

I find it hilarious you two come out here and try this charade because of ANYONE playing this game, you two have been the most slippery and slimy players. That's why, in addition to the fact that you can save three people from custody and I don't trust you for two seconds, I decided it would be in most everyone's interest to get rid of you.

I actually did change my PM and so did DH. I have no idea why INH didn't reflect that but we simply didn't think to correct him. We set up a big alliance because we'd been talking to a few people anyway so it just made sense to bring everyone together and FWIW we both would have helped any of our allies, it's only Matt that we decided we needed rid of because he kept messing us up. If you'd been on our side I could have released YOU from custody at some point. Don't act like you're some moral paragon trying to save everyone from the baddies. If you'd been presented with the opportunities we'd have you'd take them as well. You're no more trustworthy than anybody else.

DharmaHelper wrote:The moral of the story being of course that if Hedge and MP turn on yall with their puzzle-kill, I can and will help you solve it. It took me less than 10 minutes to solve their first attempt at killing my partner.

He also solved the puzzles from the beginning of the game really quickly. He's good at this stuff, so it's a shame some people have screwed themselves out of two pretty good allies. DH for his brain and me with my rezzes that I could have used to save people who helped me.

I've just come up with the perfect solution to prison overcrowding.

Hedgeowl wrote:So did you get the prize or did a 2nd person e-mail an answer to puzzle #1 yet?

If so, then you are correct, where is Puzzle #2?

DH must have been the second to solve it because we got the prize. He sent in the answer and I sent it straight after just in case he was first. No idea where Puzzle 2 is.

Hedgeowl wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Am I nuts or has there been a distinct lack of riddles n such.

Is this a riddle?

I don't think we get more puzzles until someone solves puzzle #1, which doesn't seem to have happened. Maybe DH should give it a try since he's such a good puzzle solver?

Puzzle #1 has been solved

Linki - yeah, we're that good.

DharmaHelper wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Anyone want to have on topic discussion in thread where we discuss the pros and cons of various candidates to send to court? No? Not even to let INH and the jailbirds know we are playing the frick out of this awesome game? You sure? Ok.

Votes AP

I agree we should totally have some on topic discussion. I'll start. Should we talk about how I kicked your riddles ASS and am 1 step closer to saving my partner? Should we talk about how you and MP kicked the wrong hornets nest by crossing us? Should we talk about How MP want's me to vote AP and AP wants me to vote Bullz?

These are the hot topics of the day folks. But I think the more pressing issue is that the first person to backstab and scheme against myself and Bullz was also the last person to do so, and he's in jail atm so you can't really ask him for a comment on the matter, but take my word for it, double crossing me is a mistake you do not make without serious consequences.

Not to mention the more pressing issue of how we and our friends didn't kill MP's ass straight away when we found out his role because Daisy said she'd make sure he didn't kill anyone she didn't want him to!

DharmaHelper wrote:Mess with my partner, I'll BUCK YOU UP SON

o/

Solved the first puzzle I guess I don't have to mess stuff up yet but I probably will soon as I'm away all weekend with no internet access so I guess I'm going to die because of that, which is really crap tbh but oh well . Maybe I do need to cause some trouble for everyone then .

Snow Dog wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I vote MP for trying to kill me.

What?

MP targeted me last night with his "solve puzzles or die" power so now I'm probably going to die because this puzzle is actually impossible and makes no sense.

I vote MP for trying to kill me.

Hedgeowl wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:Where are all the votes yo srs.

There are only a few votes missing and now just jigsaw and vomps. Is that what you mean or are talking oddly for some other reason today?

Even though you are not such a threat, the masses have spoken Lizzy, and apparently they do not like being outed in thread!

Votes Lizzy

Well I'd already been basically outed by Matt but yeah I don't know what Lizzy thought she'd accomplish by doing that... or even how/why she had all that info.

I have to *vote Epi* today apparently.

Lizzy wrote:Until we find the replacement, let's have a bit of fun, shall we? Looks like the thread has been a tad dead, don't you think?

Sherlock/Watson - Mongoose/Nutella
Mrs. Hudson/ Mycroft Holmes - Lizzy/Llama
Molly Hooper/Lestrade - DH/Bullz
Moriarty/Kitty Riley - Snowy/AP
Irene Adler/General Shan - Hedgeowl/MP
The Cabby/Dr. Bob Frankland - Matt F/Elo
Sally Donovan/Anderson - Jigsaw/Daisy
Henry Night/ The Golem - Vomps/Rob

Congratulations, if your list is true that's the craziest shit I've ever seen happen in a game...

Although DH's use of YOLO makes me almost want to change my mind....

I don't see any reason to go against the grain here, I'll vote LA.

Poor lynched Matt. Sure would be nice for him if he was in an alliance with someone who could save him wouldn't it? :P

Matt F wrote: Srs folks, go sign up for Bullz game at RM. Game is sure to be awesomesauce!

This is probably the truest and most sensible thing Matt has said all game.

By the way Matt is definitely lying about being able to kill someone who voted for him.

Matt F wrote:DEX ES MOM! And Bullz! :P

Other than us there are maybe 2 people in this thread who might get that reference

Matt F wrote:

Matt F wrote:Hope you feel better, Bullz! When you come back, PM me, we can start an alliance!

Ah, the good ol' days. When we were all young and innocent.

Everything has changed, it seems.

Yeah I forgot how crazy you are Still seeing MOM round every corner even 2 years later.

Matt F wrote:How did you expect me to respond upon learning you have been giving up my role to other players?

How do you expect me to respond to even more false accusations?

Matt F wrote:I told you, if you were to throw down with me Bullz, I would consider that an act of war.

Consider this war.

How did you expect me to respond when you told people to kill me in the thread?

Matt F wrote:Honestly, nobody else has to worry. I will be picking Bullz and DH.

Because you're totally innocent and I turned on you randomly for no reason right? Oh no wait that's the other way around.

Vompatti wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Vompatti wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Why were you against voting Matt F Vomps?

There's something fishy about him begging for votes.

He has claimed to me in PM that he has the ability to kill two of his voters and I'll be one of them. I don't care and think he's bluffing anyway.

You could have told this earlier.

He only told me not long before I posted it. But he's probably lying anyway. He'd have told me when he was spilling the rest of his secrets if it was true.

Vompatti wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Why were you against voting Matt F Vomps?

There's something fishy about him begging for votes.

He has claimed to me in PM that he has the ability to kill two of his voters and I'll be one of them. I don't care and think he's bluffing anyway.

Matt F wrote:You're not mad right now, are you Bullz?

I'm having a blast, FYI, even though I know I'm deaded today.

Vote for me folks! It's not only the right choice, it's the only choice!

I'm not mad But seriously who do you think I've told who you are? Is this the Llama/AP conspiracy again because I've already told you that's a load of crap

Matt F wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Matt F wrote:Sherlock, of course.

In that case I doubt I'll vote for you.

You...are kidding, of course. No, really, I encourage a vote on me today. I've been so terrible at this, as Bullzy said, I really think it's best to vote me out.

But remember kids, Bullzy cannot be trusted!

Linki - That's not nice, Bullzy. I didn't tell anyone exactly who you were. Let them guess.

Again, prove I told anyone who you were. This is getting to be like last night where you were so sure I'd sold out all your secrets to AP and Llama and was planning some big move against you.

Matt F wrote:FYI everyone, though Bullz and I have no doubt screwed up the game for each other, we are also PMing at the moment, and we are cool right now. Just having fun!

Although, that was meany head of you to tell people not to ally themselves with me next LMS game. I might get better by then!

Linki - This is too much fun. I don't wanna die.

You might get better, but you probably won't be any less crazy. You've always been one for conspiracy theories and tinfoil hats.

Snow Dog wrote:What is LMS?

Last Man Standing - the style of mafia game that Matt F just can't help but screw himself over in He's actually a good player in normal games so I'm quite surprised at his performance here.

Matt F wrote:Rather, not everyone, but some players, I know you did. It's okay though.

That being said, I encourage everyone to vote for me today, now that my role is out in the open.

But don't trust Bullzy! He's a backstabber!

Vote Matt F

If you 'know' I did then who do you 'know' I told? Because I didn't tell anyone. I will though if you want me to. I've already revealed you have a kill and didn't kill Llama so that narrows it down to like two.

Linki - he isn't Sherlock.

Matt F wrote:Ah Bullzy, don't act like you haven't already told several players my role already. That is why I was prepared to die anyway today, because you went around lettin' certain players know who I am.



I sure hope anyone else you make an alliance with, you don't go behind their backs and tell other players who they are.

Btw...



This has been a great game, INH. Had I not tried to be tricksy on Day 1 with the crazy PMs, I might've lasted longer.



Oh, and I didn't kill Llama. That was for realz. Weird how Bullz tried to act like I did, though, in his post where he says "Maybe Matt did it!"...

I wonder if Bullz has made an alliance with another NK.



Linki -

We haven't done that. Also as I explained I said maybe you killed Llama to distance us You really are just paranoid. A paranoid killer! Yeah I know you didn't kill Llama but you'll kill someone.

Also for everyone's future reference, in any LMS game ever don't approach Matt for an alliance. First he'll put you into a crappy undefendable position in the thread, then he'll beg forgiveness before deciding you've somehow betrayed him and have other secret allies that you haven't introduced his really useful role into (because that makes sense) and finally when it's obvious you haven't done anything against him he'll fail to understand why you can't trust him anymore, say he'll wait for you to do it, and then try to get you killed. In one of our many PMs yesterday he told me he sucks at this sort of game. Possibly an understatement.

Matt F wrote:I think I somehow triple-crossed myself out of two alliances.

Anywho, since I am absolutely sure I will be voted off tomorrow, I just wanted to point out to Golem or any other NKer out there...

If you don't want people that go to court to stay alive or come back to life, I suggest you target Bullz on Night 2!

Paybacks are a bitch, Bullz. Hopefully, for your sake, you have made an alliance with a NKer or a protector.



(on that note, this is still all in fun, Bullzy! Looking forward to Supernatural, which everyone in this game should go sign up for immediately! It's Bullz' first game ever, and he needs only 4 or 5 more people! It's at RM! Go now! And then, please, afterwards, kill him in this game.)

So much for "you've proved I can trust you so now I just want you to trust me". Less than an hour later you come into the thread and make damn sure I won't trust you or want to carry on an alliance. This is also the second time in two days I've woken up to you smashing the alliance that YOU fought to keep. I don't know what payback you think you're owed but clearly I now need to pay you back by revealing that you yourself have a NK so you should probably die before you can use it. Seriously dude you brought everything on yourself. I never tried to betray you but you came out with your big conspiracy theory making threats that we had to save you. The funniest part to me is that even after all that, we'd probably still have saved you. But not now. I feel so bad for your partner in this, I hope they continue to give you hell for messing the game up for them.

Anyone who wants a useful ally (and isn't completely insane) is welcome to get in touch with me, if people think I should die that's their mistake to make. I'm voting for Matt F today, partly to get rid of a killer and partly because he sucks at LMS (his words not mine).

Hedgeowl wrote:Well that was a useful role to lose. He can save someone from court 3 times. I wonder about AP now.

Maybe Llama was his partner? It would explain why AP apparently survived.

Epignosis wrote:That would be a picture of Sally Donovan.

I think llama's picture is a generic image indicating his death, but I could be wrong.

I noticed Llama's role was revealed on the front page. Mycroft Holmes. Perhaps he released AP? Perhaps AP even killed him in return? I'm thinking not though, I think he was killed either by or to frame Matt.

thellama73 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Still need some PMs.

Don't let people send in late PMs. It sets a bad precedent.

I concur. Deadline was 24 hours, it's been nearly 26. If people want their actions to go through so badly they should send them in on time and not make the rest of us wait.

thellama73 wrote:I worry about our host's safety when he's absent like this.

Maybe he got NKed?

Matt F wrote:Before the lynch tomorrow, or before I get deaded tonight...

I'm going to warn you all to look out for Bullz, DH, and Llama voting together in future polls. Take my word or don't, I know I'm dying soon, so just wanted ya all to know to watch out!

No doubt they will vote for me tomorrow in the lynch, and that's okay, I'm sure everyone will after my craziness, but AFTER tomorrow's lynch, watch out for those three voting together!

I also seriously doubt they will ever suspect one another in the thread! Be careful! Break up their alliance before it's too late!

Gaah! Gaah!

Btw, INH, this is one of the funnest games I've ever been a part of, even though I've been backstabbed by my Bullzy. Just wanted to let you know.

I've not backstabbed you at all. If anything you betrayed me, though it was more of a frontstab than a back one.

Honestly I kinda hope your partner is giving you a good stern talking to right now...

I'm not surprised, and I can't really blame them

thellama73 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: 12. This is only Phase 1.

This has made me wonder about any eventual purpose of those who will be in the bighouse.

Yeah, I noticed that too. If Twin Peaks is any guide, things are not as simple as they appear.

INH is well known for being completely 1000% insane as a host. I wouldn't be surprised if absolutely nothing was anything like it appeared.

Matt F wrote:I tried to watch Supernatural for five min, but I couldn't with the lynch still going on.

I'm disappointed in you yet again!

Matt F wrote:Yet DH and Bullz, Snowy and Llama, (both Snowy and Llama were in negotiations to have an alliance with Bullz and DH, btw, thread, just so you know) are still trying to pin something on me here. They are working together.

I have no allies. I've spoken to both Snow and Llama but they both said no for different reasons. Snow didn't see the point and Llama said something about other commitments.

Matt F wrote:So, since there are no good or bad guys, I think I will try to lynch people in this game who have an obvious alliance in this game.

Yet you were quite happy for alliances to happen when you wanted one with me. Also I've now got reason to believe you lied about at least one, possibly two things while we were negotiating.

Matt F wrote:Note how Llama never responded to my post about him saying he and Bullz were in negotiations. It's because they have prolly formed an alliance, and Bullz right now is lying, saying nobody will talk to him about forming one.

I don't know why Llama would've told you we were in negotiations because the only negotiations we had were me saying we've been a kickass team before and could be again, and him turning me down like a bad date.

LINKI - FYI, I love my Bullzy. I always will.

Spacedaisy wrote:Llama, I completely agree that whatever he was trying to do really did not accomplish revealing any NKs.

To be honest if I had an NK I'd be advertising it and offering my allegiance to all the players I like the most (which would include Matt), so if he really thinks he's found a killer in me he couldn't be more wrong.

Spacedaisy wrote: Bullz, you have not PMed me... I'm hurt. *cries*

I'm sure you can see from the chaos of today that I've got a good reason not to want to PM anybody any more. It's nothing personal, I'd totally have been all over a PM to you if you'd been here from the start!

Matt F wrote: I do admit I am wary of making any alliances in this game after all this

You're wary? You're the one who caused all this trouble!