The Syndicate

Long Con wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Funny how you said Bea was definitely civ and then she turned out to be the role responsible for silencing me when you pushed your "case" against me.

How would you know that Bea silenced you? Her role has not been revealed on the first page.

Because when I was silenced I was told the name of the role that silenced me.

Boogs wrote:Furthermore Bullzeye, like in any game i can say i think _____ or know ______ and its merely speculating until i would actually infodump and say "I know A is bad because I checked them so let's kill them" or "B is civ because the host messaged me" and i havent done any dumping but say i think and i know which have no reasonings behind them or such so what i say can be hogwash because its a game about lying and deception and people claim they feel things all the time. Like for example how i said i trusted Bea and she turned up bad. Are you trying to speculate i dumped something, cus then she turned out bad. You are solely ONLY going crazy when i try to have you or LC voted for so give up the charade you guys arent bad teammates. Both your behaviors is the only info dump you speak of.

I have no connection to LC, but I'd rather lynch you first than anyone else. If you're actually bad, Dana will be next. I do think she made good points about LoRab though. My point regarding Bea is that you seemed to vouch for her like you were claiming she was definitely 100% civ and then she was revealed to have been bad. While I was silenced you were definitely acting like you had info on me though I know you didn't, and some of your claims about other people read as though you're hinting that you know who they are. Ultimately I think your tactic this game has been to pretend you have an info role in hopes of being able to be trusted and help your teammates fly by.

Boogs wrote:Bullzeye me saying someone isnt Civ isnt info dumping and doesnt even have to be true. Im not doing anything wrong by speculating what i think people are, so get your panties out of a wad and stop bitching and moaning at me. I have not info dropped anything or how i would think or know anything. And it's no different than anyone else accusing anyone of being bad or good in a game. You're causing a hissy fit because i am trying to get you or LC lynched when you guys aren't Civ. I am not doing anything wrong saying i think someone is Indy or Baddie and speculating.

You keep referring to people as definitely this or that and have definitely explicitly acted as if you have info before now. Funny how you said Bea was definitely civ and then she turned out to be the role responsible for silencing me when you pushed your "case" against me. You aren't accusing or making cases you're just saying x is definitely bad or we shouldn't lynch y because they're civ. You're acting like you know for sure when we all know you don't.

Boogs wrote:Dana i do think it needs to be LC today. He's def not Civ but he is either Indy or Baddie. Again i feel he and Bullz are bad and/or teammates. My feelings on Bea were wrong, but i know JC is Civ so we do not want her to be lynched.

Seriously stop acting like you have info. If you did have it, you'd be an epic cheater who shouldn't be allowed to play again from the amount you've infodumped. Not only is it outright cheating but it shows a total lack of respect for every other player as well as the hosts. Since you don't, you're just adding to your laundry list of lies and proving we shouldn't listen to you because you're blatantly not civ.

Dana wrote:Awesome. I'll definitely look into LC and Bullz today, then.

Again, Boogs has lied about everything this game. He's faked info and faked curses and been generally misleading and untrustworthy. Even if you 'know' he's civ, why the hell do you want to follow him so badly? If he actually is a civ, he's terrible at being one and should be ignored completely.

Seriously, Boogs is bad. He has lied to us for days and been allowed to get away with the most ridiculous of things. Let's just get rid of him now like we should have done ages ago.

Dana wrote:Aaaaaah I'm so confused. Statistically, one of you are (is?) probably bad but I have no idea which. Thank you for your response LoRab, and you don't have to change your playong style if it's something you do every game. I'm pretty sure I've never played with you before so it just seemed odd to me. Also your smiley is one of the best on this site! I guess now that I think about it, you wouldn't really want to vote with your teammate every time, would you? That would make things too easy for us. I would consider looking at Bullz if only because of the Boogs information. Did we ever come to a conclusion if that was real or not? Why is this game so hard?!

How many times do I have to prove Boogs is a liar? I'm tired of doing it tbh so if you seriously want to trust the guy who hasn't spoken a true word all game and is proven to have lied and tried to misdirect the thread time and again then go for it.

Boogs wrote:Hiya everyone. I strongly believe That JC and Bea are civ, and I suspected LC then didn't vote him when he stopped going after me. After getting advice from a very reliable source (aka BF lol), it seems i have missed the facts of what has been going on. I first thought that there could be two teams of Civs which when talking to him even he says doesn't sound right and he isn't playing, and when I re read what I thought I knew, I finally pinned down Bullz is either bad but I think he is Indy. Secondly, when going back to LC buddying up to Bullz and me, he was trying to buy favor to get us to vote the way he wanted and save us but now it seems since he knows neither of us are being on the chopping block that he wants Canuck gone as an easy way out. His allegiance to anyone has been changed with the turn of a head all game and if he isn't Baddie playing solo, then he's def an Indy that doesn't give a rats arse who dies and that is why he flips like a pancake so much.

HOWEVER since Bullzeye is still voting against me it confirms to me he is on LC's team. If he does flip Baddie when lynched I think our next move is Bullzeye Who also hasn't been giving much Civvie loving to us all. So it's LC then Bullz to me to win the game for CIVS.

I don't even know where to start with all the things wrong with this post.

I'm still not a baddie. You have no right to act as if people voting for you makes them suspicious when all you've done all game is lie to people and attempt to mislead them. I'm not sure where to go after we lynch you, maybe you're even right and LC is on the opposite baddie team to you, but I think our first order of business is to put you back on the chopping block once and for all.

Canucklehead wrote:

Boogs wrote:I think voting LC is the best choice today to make sure we do this right.

I'm sooooooo tempted to agree with this, since LC is now turning against me.....


But to be honest, Boogs, this looks to me like you're just seizing an opportunity to get me and maybe LoRab to follow you.

Where's your case?? Why should we vote LC? Do you have info on him like you did on Bullz?

Do you really think Boogs ever had info on anyone?

90% of his posts are lies and misdirection. If he's not bad I'll be amazed. *Votes Boogs*

Good nobody died. I've just moved back into uni and I'm just making a quick post to say check in and say you probably won't see much of me until late tomorrow.

Busy day yesterday packing for uni and I'm still not finished! Going to be another fun day for me. Hedge flipping civ makes me want to reconsider everything tbh, I think the baddies have played too good of a game here.

I'm not seeing how there are civ teams. All the civs are on the same side as far as I'm aware. Am I the only person in the dark here? I've seen no reason not to believe that the win conditions in this game are any different to what they usually are.

Boogs wrote:Lorab- I can't say. Sorry.
Bullz- you made my point. I lynch you now that i realized a few days back you could be opposing Civ and i die next. We lynch me and see I am opposing Civ and they lynch you next. Im asking you to stop making cases against me if you want to survive and try to help figure out the correct baddies.

I'm just going to drop the fake curse because it's clear you won't give a straight answer to it and your explanations change with the weather. I still don't see what you mean by opposing civ. Civs don't oppose each other. We're all working together to take out the baddies. When you say opposing civ it sounds like you're saying some civs are your enemies. Who are the enemies of civs? Baddies and indies.

And another thing, while I certainly wouldn't object to winning I've already accepted that I probably won't, so don't bank on me 'wanting to win'. I think you signed both of our death certificates with your fake info. If you are a civ, everyone will just assume you were right and wrongfully lynch me next, effectively handing the game to the baddies (because seriously how many civs can be left? 4 or 5?) and if you're bad and you get lynched your team will kill me at their earliest convenience. If I get lynched I'll flip civ and you'll probably eat a lynch for having pushed so hard against me.

Boogs wrote:Bullz not a good plan maybe, but it was my plan nonetheless. The kitty has been coming clean and u want to win, and i dont want your game ruined if i get lynched and you get lynched next.

You realise that "Let's not lynch each other so nobody lynches either of us" sounds like a baddie move to me? If you are a civ then I'm sorry if you get lynched, but I don't have any reason to believe you are. Seriously, you've convinced me you're bad. I can't justify anything you've done from a civ perspective. Now you're basically begging me not to vote for you and saying I'll be next like it's a subtle threat that I'll die if you do.

Boogs wrote:Grabbing attention to try to get lynch votes to help.

But you weren't helping SVS by doing that. Not to mention it was unlikely anyone would vote for you when you seemed cursed. So not a good plan at all.

Boogs wrote:In the back of my mind I want to believe i am wrong about you and that we could be two different Civs, but its hard to do that when i have to look at other people playing and try to determine who looks most suspicious and they pile on me in support of you. I think its in both of our best interests not voting each other out at this point because if I go, they lynch you next or vice versa and I know we play to win Bullzeye.
Linki No, look at the people voted out. They have been different Civ types. And in large games, there are more than 1 Civ teams sometimes. I dont think we are not the same team.

I'm not seeing 'different civ types' anywhere. They're all listed as civ, bad, recruited baddie, indy, and neutral. There is no 'civ team A' or whatever. Civ is civ. I don't know what you're talking about but in all fairness I don't think you do either. You are wrong about me. I am a civ. However, that's a compliment I don't believe I can extend to you. Your behaviour this game has been insane. You still haven't really explained the fake curse since we all know you weren't trying to save SVS. You were protecting her in the way that a firefighter who arrives 72 hours after the building burns down is doing his job.

I don't play to win, I play to have fun. If I played to win I'd have given up years ago based on the fact I practically never win.

Boogs wrote:Bullzeye the reason i thought you were bad is still mine to know, but I tried to give you a chance thinking maybe we are on different Civ teams. Things are interpreted differently to each player, thus my kitty head was trying to determine if you were bad or not. It sucks this game we are at each others throats when we could possibly be opposing Civ teams. It's my best bet to vote you and hope you are bad to give myself my best chance since i was taking everything as you not being good, but i knew if i was wrong and you showed up opposing Civ team that i would look like the bad guy and get lynched next. That is why i backtracked and didnt want to lynch you right away and changed to try to see if there were other suspects and if i was wrong.

Different civ teams? What on Earth are you talking about? There is only one civ team as far as I am aware.

Boogs wrote:Lorab i already explained it. I didn't admit i faked the curse, then admitted i DID.

You outright refused to acknowledge it for a long time, then said you'd faked it and gave an excuse that less than a minute of research could prove wasn't true.

Boogs wrote:Hallelujah for no death!! We have a chance to get the baddies in votes!

I agree! *Votes Boogs*

Boogs wrote: I'm not picking on silent players as Bullzeye claimed. I can't help that someone keeps doing that to people who have gained suspicion.

I hadn't really gained suspicion until I got silenced and you pushed your fake infodump. Hedge had some suspicion but I wouldn't have thought she was any more in danger of getting lynched than anyone else. Maybe it is coincidence and I could have even accepted that if it was only me it happened to but the fact you've twice gone after silenced people makes me think there's something to that.

LoRab wrote:So, Boogs was caught in a lie and refuses to talk about it. And now seems to know that there are recruits and how they are happening (and when, even).

Hmmmm.

PSA: Exhausted. The Jewish New Year begins tomorrow evening. The Day of Atonement is 10 days later. These are the 2 biggest holidays on the Jewish calendar. If my posting times are quirky, please be patient.

It is strange to me that when the fake curse was first brought up he refused to talk about it, then finally explained, but now that's been proven a lie all he'll say about it is "OMG just lynch me already and prove yourself wrong I'm not a liar".

Also I just want to elaborate on how (aside from the obvious) I know Boogs' info is fake. If he had info he knew was 100% accurate he'd stick to his guns and not go back on himself - which he did. If he had info he knew wasn't guaranteed to be true he wouldn't come out all guns blazing right off the bat like he did.

Dana wrote:You made it seem like there is one every night. Though wouldn't that make too many mafia? I'm still not completely sure on how the mafia to civ ratio works yet.

If there was one recruit every night, and all of them definitely went through, and every recruit's alignment would be revealed on death, there'd be two civs left in the game.

Boogs wrote:

Long Con wrote:I'm trying to give you a chance to explain, Boogs. I don't understand the Smiley fake-out and the svs thing.

Linki... Ok don't say any more then... I don't know why suddenly I'm bad in your books, is it because I voted for you? I had my reasons, and it's not like you do a lot to allay suspicion. You want to ride the line to avoid nightkills, then you can't just call your voters baddies. You did this to yourself, maybe you went too far over the line this time.

Don't think that coming after me now is going to improve our lynch record.

LC you said you believed and would vote Hedge and so did Bullzeye and then you both started making crazy cases before the end of the lynch making it look like a connection or save for Hedge from desperate teammates seeing others agreed they could vote Hedge as well and had to act quick.

The civs are screwed this game. The baddies can probably afford to sacrifice one of their own, I imagine it's why there's very little defending of absolutely anyone going around. I might still vote Hedge. Probably not until after I vote for you though. You could convince me not to vote you and go for her instead but you've actually done a pretty good job of making me think you're the one who should be lynched. Plus Hedge was silenced. It's not fair to lynch people when they can't defend, but I suppose that sort of thing doesn't bother you when its been your tactic twice now.

Boogs if you're actually a civ then you're the worst one in the game. All you've done is make claims which are blatantly false and then double back on them or even stand by them when they're proven wrong. You won't even defend yourself. You've never defended yourself. All you do is say to vote for you and quite frankly I don't see why anyone shouldn't. What exactly would we lose by lynching you? In my eyes you've proven yourself bad but I'm only one player.

Linki - Boogs all you're doing now is quoting me vs Epi at the end of The Hobbit. Except in that case neither of us were actually bad.

Boogs wrote:Im done going in circles about the subject. You interpreted it as a lie and how you wanted, so good for you. I know what i am, and if you want to vote me again then go for it. You've done wonderfully at lynching civs that one more tomorrow by voting me will be just swell. If people want to vote me and let another Civ die and another night to get a recruit, good for them. Im playing to win and kill baddies but i dont know about the rest of you. No one seems to want to listen or follow my leads and teammates swoop in to defend as we lose another civ every time. I'm convinced you're bad Bullzeye and LC is your teammate how you both tried to flip the house after saying one thing then changing how you wanted to vote and try to influence everyone and if Hedge isnt bad then i admit i am wrong but i doubt that.

Dana if you havent played with me before, i do like doing crazy stuff. My style is to gain some attention to avoid night kills because i always get lynched and try to last as long as i can out of the votes. But, a cat only has 9 lives. Regardless of what they say, i faked the smiles to grab attention and that is all they need to know.

Nobody wants to listen to you because you've been proven to be lying so many times. I don't know wtf you're talking about as far as LC is concerned. I'm a civ and you've claimed info saying I'm not, which is impossible. So I know that isn't true. You even went back on it, which you wouldn't if you actually had info, and then went back again. If we vote for you the only civ dying will be me the following night when your team go for revenge.

You say you faked the smilies to get attention off SVS but you blatantly didn't because she was already dead. I don't know how you can stand by that comment and act like I'm just trying to manipulate people. It's true. Anyone can see for themselves.

Boogs wrote:Lol okay whatever you say Bullzeye. Im civ and its really funny you are this adaman and think you know so much about me that isnt true.

So that's your only defense to being caught in a lie? When someone claims to have info saying I'm bad and I know that's not true then I'm pretty sure I do know something about them.

Also can I preemptively call bullshit for when Boogs inevitably says 'oh I must have meant I was trying to save MM then'? He'd know exactly who he was trying to save because if he had an info role he'd know who he did and didn't check. I doubt he'd have checked MM anyway since he was barely talked about. Not to mention he must have known he wouldn't take attention away too much, there's no way he'd have been lynched while cursed at that stage of the game. He wasn't trying to save SVS, MM, or anyone else.

Boogs wrote:I'm not a bad kitty, Hedge. You are a bad owl!

Honestly I think you're just a few animals short of being able to open an evil pet shop. Probably not on the same team though.

Hedgeowl wrote: I am not fully caught up, but this was something I was going to respond to until I saw I was silenced. I didn't mean to be cryptic with your list Juliets. I chose dead red, because those were the players that were dead. Simple as that, but I should have explained I see. As for Bullz suspicion of me, I must need to go back through his posts. I have seen him mentioned the way I addressed the M lynch, but there clearly must be more I missed. I try to keep up with the thread, but honestly don't have enough time, if I don't spend all evening reading up and posting. I play on an iPad which makes longer posts much harder.

omg I didn't realize the outlander tv show I could watch online, sooo I am multitasking tonight...

It was mostly just your MM vote and your response to me calling out the bandwagon. You seemed like you were trying to throw suspicion back on me by saying that actually he'd been discussed loads and I was lying when really even the quickest of checks would prove that MM had very little discussion from anyone. The majority of his voters never explained why they voted for him and he only got one vote ever before the day he died. Also the day that 'M' people were talked of as bad still didn't really involve him much. I just thought your reaction was quite suspicious. Then I don't think you ever responded and that made me wonder.

Hedgeowl wrote: So my initial reaction was, omg I am being set-up, just like Bullz! Baaaad kitteh! He does a 180 on JUliets as well. Was there a pile on Juliets? I honestly don't think there was, but maybe I am forgetting? I honestly don't know if Boogs is bad, but Bloop was agreeing with me somewhat, she's killed and I am silenced, and then the topic of the day is whether I should be lynched led by Boogs. So yeah, not great feelings from Boogs.

I need to do a more thorough read of how it all switched to voting Boogs. I am not sure how I feel about his survival either, but generally not good ATM. I have some reevaluating to do for sure in light of this crazy day. I don't know where I stand on Juliets and LC.

I do think there's a chance that you're both opposing baddies at the moment but Boogs does seem like he was trying to set you up to die while you were silenced and that gives me pause about you in addition to making me more suspicious of him. Good point about Niju there as well, I hadn't considered that.

As it stands I think Boogs is very likely to be bad, you're my number two suspicion pretty much by default. Dana is blendy and shifty too though so I have an eye on her as well. I very much doubt you and Boogs would be on the same team though so if there's only one baddie team you can't both be bad but if there isn't (and I personally think there are two) then both of you remain my suspects. Unless you can give a good defense to my suspicion of you I suppose.

Long Con wrote:

Boogs wrote:Bea- The truth? No i wasnt smiley cursed. I was buying SVS time because she wasnt bad and wanted to get attention.

Really? Still catching up (it's slow because of TV... Gotham series premiere, Sleepy Hollow season premiere, and now just an episode of Friends I haven't seen... show catchup. Shouldn't be a prob since no one is on here this late) and I am perplexed about this. I would feel better if you could also provide some evidence that you tried at all to stop SVS' lynch. I don't really understand how faking a curse was a realistic plan to stop her lynch.

Is it reasonable to assume that your non-lynch makes you more Civvie?

As I've already pointed out, the SVS thing is a flat out lie. She was long dead by the time he faked the curse, so unless he thought he could resurrect her by doing that then he was not trying to save her at all.

bea wrote:but - also - unless I"m missing something - why did you continue with the smileys into the night? if you wern't cursed and you were just trying to draw attention to the fact that lynching svs was bad, why keep it up? why not just come out and say what you were thinking?

See my last post. SVS died on day five and Boogs did the smiley thing on day six. If he wanted to draw attention away in order to protect her he started a little too late.

Boogs wrote:Bullz thats as far as i can say on the smiley and such. Cant say more.

Actually I just double checked your posts. SVS was already dead when you did the smiley thing. So how exactly were you trying to deflect attention from her?

You were also pretty convinced Made was bad. Any info role worth their salt would've checked him early on and known the truth about him.

Dana - he did that for two posts out of several in the course of a day and said it was because his keyboard was broken. He wasn't cursed.

Boogs wrote:Bullz maybe a Civ who thinks certain players are bad is doing it? Why does silencing have to be a mafia power? Ive had silencer civ roles in games i hosted.

Bea- The truth? No i wasnt smiley cursed. I was buying SVS time because she wasnt bad and wanted to get attention.

Silencers can be civs but I have reason to believe this one isn't. That's all I can say on the matter.

A fat lot of good your plan did for SVS. What about if you'd just gotten lynched and then had to explain yourself? Do you expect any of us would have just believed you? Also, she was neutral. I don't see why you'd stick your neck on the line for a neutral, or why you'd continue to post smileys into the night. Not to mention this is very easy for you to say now, days and days after the fact.

Boogs wrote:Bullz not claiming anything, just saying thread evidence on me changing opinions might mean something if you examine my posts.

I have read your posts. I did it right before the first time I pointed out that you've never seemed to have info on anyone else. Surely you'd have checked Made, talking point of days 1-4. Yet you never spoke in his defence. Nor Llama's, yet he was also a major discussion piece for much of the game.

You've yet to explain why it is that you keep going after players who have conveniently been silenced and can't defend against you.

You've not explained how it is that you appeared to have been cursed to only post in smilies yet no other player has ever had a posting curse of any sort.

You pushed for my lynch while I was silenced and strongly hinted at having info, said you knew I wasn't civ (untrue), then went back on it and said you could be wrong before claiming info yet again.

I see no reason why anyone would trust you and will either vote for you or Hedge tomorrow.

Linki - Bea, consider that nobody else in the entire game has ever been cursed and none of the roles revealed so far could be responsible for Boogs' curse. It doesn't make sense for him alone to have received a curse when nobody else did.

Boogs wrote:Jc yep. And Bullz ive explained. Look at why i suspected people during tje night, then changed my mind during the day. You can do it, you can do it.... omg boogs DOES know things maybe! :O

So now you're just outright claiming a power despite rules against info and already having been complained about? Do you understand basic mafia conventions? I still don't believe you. I actually already read through your posts and couldn't find any strong evidence of you having defended confirmed civs or gone against a single player who we know to have been bad.

You still haven't explained the fake curse. Or why you keep going after silenced players. Or why you were so blendy early on.

Boogs wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Boogs wrote:The three that voted me i urge you to swap to someone else. Its not a good idea to vote a kitty, especially one that is good. Lousy knights you are.
Linki i said today either Hedge or Bullz but i think Hedge is safer. But i can do a vote on Bullz.

I see very little chance for you to have been good. My mind will be blown if you are. So much of your behaviour has been inexplicable and frankly self-defeating if you're not a baddie. So many things you've done have either been clearly lies or very dubious at best.

Guess your mind will explode sir.[/quote

Or not. No lynch means nothing. Now maybe you'd care to explain why you've lied so much and done so much backpedalling since you've clearly got the time. Perhaps you can even elaborate on the sudden surge of support for you.

Boogs wrote:The three that voted me i urge you to swap to someone else. Its not a good idea to vote a kitty, especially one that is good. Lousy knights you are.
Linki i said today either Hedge or Bullz but i think Hedge is safer. But i can do a vote on Bullz.

I see very little chance for you to have been good. My mind will be blown if you are. So much of your behaviour has been inexplicable and frankly self-defeating if you're not a baddie. So many things you've done have either been clearly lies or very dubious at best.

Boogs wrote:Wow at the thread. I'm not Dana's teammate or am i bad. If you vote me today, its a wasted lynch. Its crucial we get it right. Also, LC flipping back and forth worries me as well as Bullzeye agreeing Hedge could get his vote and.now today gung ho after me again. And Bullzeye i did have info and i keep.saying that MAYBE i misunderstood but keep denying and calling me a liar. I keep trying to give u the benefit of the doubt and even again not vote you and you keep coming for me. I backpeddled because i think i could interpret thinga differently and re read the thread based on it.

You were pretty insistent at first. It could easily look as if you just realised nobody was biting. Besides, you've still never addressed the obviously faked curse or the fact that you never seemed to have info on anyone else notable in the thread.

I am actually just going to put my vote on Boogs because based on everything I've seen from him I see no reason he could possibly be a civ. The fake curse, the fake info, the going after silenced players. None of it adds up to anything but bad IMO.

Canucklehead wrote:Nothing specific. Similar to you, he's been pretty much a non-entity for me this game. Haven't re-read him at all.....

BUT!
(and this is a big, big but)

...If Dana is good (and the only reason I think she might be is that no one appears opposed to lynching her), then maybe her vouch for boogs is genuine....and maybe boogs' info on Bullz is genuine.

That's a LOT of "ifs"....but that's my thought process.

Like I said earlier, I think this is a crucial lynch, so I'm just trying to make sure we consider our options carefully and get a baddie.

I can promise you Boogs has no info on me. If he did he wouldn't have backpedalled on it. I also already outlined reasons why he's probably not an info role based on his other behaviours.

bea wrote:so i guess what it comes down to is - Are we *that* sure that hedgy is bad to vote her even though she is silenced?

Or do we vote dana and - tbh she's not exactly been around to defend either.

Or do we vote someone else? and if so - who?

For me if it's not Hedge or Dana then Boogs. The thing with Dana not being around is that she's hardly ever been around and that's part of the case against her. Nothing is stopping her from defending today. With Hedge, she's suspicious and it's possible her team knew she was in danger today and silenced her hoping it'd be obvious with so few of us and so we'd leave her alone, or that the baddies silenced her to make it easy to push a bandwagon through. I'm not sure which I think is most likely.

bea wrote: linkie - bullz -honestly - no. You know I play best by interacting with people and when I did interact with her at the beginning of the game, I didn't see anyting that set me off. Since then, I've found her to be super blendy as well. She has in several lynches before and after her silence said "I don't know maybe everyone I think is good is bad?" but not came back with anything. TBH - since at the beginning she said *I* was someone she was firm was civ, I kinda expected to be one of the people she looked at during her many "people I think are civ and may not be" posts.

linki - cannuck - to me whatever may or maynot happen bts is all WIOM to me. I've totes been in baddie bts with noobs and told them what was up and still let them do dumb stuff in the thread. It could have been a genuine mistake. It could have been a baddie being coached to take advantage of a noob mistake. IDK.

You've made some good points. Maybe Dana's silencing was even an attempt to give her an excuse for her quiet, blendy behaviour? She was definitely more involved as a civ in Misfits than she is here. I'm not sure how to feel about her. Honestly I'm not sure how to feel about anyone. I think you're all bad and I think you're all civs.

Linki - I hate voting silenced people too but for my part it's not like my case on Hedge came out just today. I called her out a while before my vote in the last lynch and I voted a full 24 hours early that day. She never responded to my comments despite having half a day phase and a whole night to do so.

bea wrote:If I had to vote right now, I'd vote for boogs or dana.

If pushed dana. While I've not had the best feels about boogs, the very fact that even he thinks her vouch is odd makes me leary of her.

I find this interesting. Her vouch is crazy and I find her to have been super blendy, but is there anything else making you think she's bad?

bea wrote:2ish hours to go.

It's sooo quiet.

I'm thinking if I've not heard anything to convince me otherwise, boogs or dana will get my vote. Dana's coming out of no where to defend boogs is odd. And well, I've never really competely let go of my boggs suspicion.

I really hope I hear more thoughts though.

I'm around but I don't really know what more to say. I've been convinced Boogs is bad for a while. Dana vouching for him is definitely suspicious. I also still think Hedge is bad and she did have plenty of time to respond to my reasons why before she got silenced but never did so I may even vote there still. All in all I'm just not sure enough yet and this lynch could be crucial. Hopefully others can come in with their thoughts.

Boogs wrote:Dana trusting me when we have barely interacted is pingy. Also, Bullzeye i suggest we dont try to lynch me tpday so that we cant be manipulated. Hedge wasnt in suspicion before Day 9, Jc was. So Hedge "being silenced" could be a Civ doing it to her.

Hedge was totally in suspicion. I called her out for her defensiveness and said it was suspicious regardless of Mongoose's aligment. As I've already said, I have reason to believe the silencer isn't civ and have no reason to think there's more than one silencer. If there were two trading off nights then it stands to reason Hedge should have been silenced by the same one as I was since we've both been silenced on odd days.

bea wrote:Has there been any other night.crossfire? Would the sk have been a possible reason df died? Have we ruled out a potential ninja? I'm in waitingroom hell.

Epig's role killed on odd nights so it is possible that he was responsible for DF.

Canucklehead wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:You're not the only one, Bullz. Of the things you mentioned, I'm most concerned by Dana's vouch. It's just so out of the blue, and Dana's absence in the last few game days (even before she was silenced) and then her sudden appearance to defend Boogs is just odd. I'm more and more beginning to see this as a recruitment game, and I think maybe the baddies have been persuing a "recruit the quiet and blendy"-type strategy while we tear all the talkative people apart in the thread. I think Dana might be the most recent recruit, and I think that might explain her out-of-nowhere defense of Boogs.

I see where you're coming from but with only one confirmed dead recruit 9 days in I feel like we'd have seen more. Unless maybe recruitments can only happen in certain circumstances?

Yeah, but Bullz, other than the recruit, we've only killed one team-affiliated baddie in those 9 days, too. It's not like our track record is stunning, and we've been killing loads of non-recruit baddies during that time. :P

Fair enough but what I meant was there aren't really a lot of us left that there'd be one big team of recruits and the game still ongoing IMO.

Canucklehead wrote:But I understand what you're saying. There isn't a lot of evidence to support my theory based on lynches. TBH, I think the most convincing evidence that there is one baddie recruitment team (as opposed to two regular baddie teams) is that there have been no baddies killed in NK crossfire. That's weird to me, but maybe they've just been unlucky? Or only targeting civs? Or are as bad at reading alignment as the rest of us?

I thought two baddies died on consecutive nights? DF as a baddie and then Enrique as a recruit? Perhaps I'm misremembering there.

Canucklehead wrote:You're not the only one, Bullz. Of the things you mentioned, I'm most concerned by Dana's vouch. It's just so out of the blue, and Dana's absence in the last few game days (even before she was silenced) and then her sudden appearance to defend Boogs is just odd. I'm more and more beginning to see this as a recruitment game, and I think maybe the baddies have been persuing a "recruit the quiet and blendy"-type strategy while we tear all the talkative people apart in the thread. I think Dana might be the most recent recruit, and I think that might explain her out-of-nowhere defense of Boogs.

I see where you're coming from but with only one confirmed dead recruit 9 days in I feel like we'd have seen more. Unless maybe recruitments can only happen in certain circumstances?

Canucklehead wrote:I also think LoRab's point about the silencer possibly being civ is omsething we need to consider. Maybe people aren't being silenced becasue they're on to the baddies, maybe they're being silenced because a civ thinks they ARE a baddie?? Or maybe there is a bad silencer and a civ silencer, working on opposing nights? I dunno if that helps us narrow our thoughts any, but it is an interesting thing to keep in mind.

All I'll say is there's (what I think is) a pretty good reason for my belief that the silencer is bad. Not to mention the Boogs-related circumstances surrounding my own silencing.

Long Con wrote:Boogs, have you pressed the lynch of a silenced person two days in a row? I voted Hedgeowl when you asked to get some reactions, since we can change votes. This is suddenly more interesting to
me.

Not in a row, but yeah he has done it twice now. I've hesitated to go after Boogs to much for fear of just sounding like I'm mad at him for the fake info hints but let's objectively look at a list of his charges shall we?

- Blendier than the average chameleon for the first few days. Tried to vote for someone who wasn't on the poll during day 1 suggesting he wasn't even paying much attention.

- Faked a posting curse. Nobody else's posts have been affected by any kind of curse either before or since Boogs spent a day and night posting only in smilies. He himself has refused to comment on the matter. Keterman and Mongoose were brought up as people who'd seemed cursed but Kman had said he had a faulty keyboard and spent the majority of that same day posting normally while Mongoose's defense of Llama was clearly btsc motivated and not because she was forced to do so. Therefore, as nobody else in the entirety of this game has been so obviously cursed it is safe to assume Boogs chose to post smilies himself for an unknown reason in order to appear cursed.

- When I was silenced, Boogs made a bunch of posts blatantly hinting that he had info against me. When I confronted him about it he first claimed he 'knew I wasn't civ' but then began to backpedal like a lost cyclist.

- Dana, who has been blendy herself, seems to be vouching for him out of nowhere.

- He's now coming after Hedge on a day where she's apparently silenced. He also earlier in the day stated that JC was the one who appeared to have been silenced.

Am I really the only one who thinks all this adds up to suspicious?

bea wrote:Bullz - I think you might be right. Do you still feel hedgey could be bad even though silenced? I instninctively dislike voting for someone who can't defend.

I'm currently having that debate with myself in my head tbh. On the one hand, there could be two baddie teams or her team could even have targeted her in hope of keeping her out of discussion and giving her a bit of WIFOM to fall back on. On the other, the baddies could have done it hoping we'd bandwagon another civ and she'd not even defend herself. This is what I think they were hoping with me, and the primary reason for my distrust of Boogs. I think I need to re-re-read Hedge and decide just how strong my suspicion is of her before I make a decision about her. We need to start lynching baddies. There's getting less and less room for error.

I have just noticed though, everyone but Hedge has posted today. So if anyone is silenced it'd be her.

I still think she can be bad. I've mentioned already I've felt she came off as needlessly defensive after I said the MM bandwagon came out of nowhere. Obviously we now know it wasn't a Mongoose save but even so I find her off in this game.

Dana wrote:

bea wrote:@ dana - so that was the MM lynch then?

Yes, it was that day. 6 I think it was?

I'm really not sure how I feel about Hedge, since that seems to be who people are going after so far today. I don't think she is bad which means that she likely is since everyone I've thought was bad so far this game hasn't been. Also, I have a very good reason to trust Boogs, so if he's voting for Hedge, then I might also.

A good reason to trust him? Let's go over Boogs' contribution to this game. For the first two thirds of play, he was basically a non-entity. Did nothing of value and I couldn't tell you one thing about him this game up until he faked a posting curse one day, and then the next shows up hinting at info against someone who had been conveniently silenced and completely unable to defend themselves. Since I've called him out on that he's backpedalled and acted like his 'info' may be unreliable (as opposed to made up). I still think Boogs is bad news but I know everyone thinks I'm only saying that because he tried to screw me over, so I don't bother pushing it. When you look at the facts though, I don't see how he could be trustworthy.

Juliets, the vote ends in 25 hours. You've got plenty of time

I also think Hedge is probably bad. Her response to me saying the MM bandwagon came out of nowhere was a hugely defensive over-reaction. She claimed there had been loads of discussion on MM when there really hadn't and, as I've already shown, most of his voters had literally never discussed him even in their votes.