The Syndicate

Also I knew SVS' role for about half the game. On night 1 I got sanity check info regarding MP, then on night 2 I asked for a secret about SVS and was told she targeted MP the previous night. Wasn't hard to put 2 and 2 together after that.

Awesome game

I absolutely loved my role, I wish I had Tony with me in every game! Each night I got to ask Llama for a secret about a specific role, specific player, or general mechanic. The 'theory' I was coming up with about Lloyd wasn't really a theory, I found out the bartender's secret on I think night 4 and was going to bring it up in the thread as a guess at what the drinks do.

This party is so good I didn't even realise it was a party!

Snow, you're not going to die anyway. I just have no idea whether to trust you or Mongoose any more. One of you is clearly someone I need alive and the other has either outright claimed to be or allowed me to believe it for most of the game.

Actually I suppose I haven't technically claimed to be anyone but given who I'm defending and why it's pretty obvious who I am isn't it?

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok bullz it is because while i dont know for sure who you are. i know who are not for my win.

Interestingly the other two you mention are claiming to be the same person, I'm claiming to be someone else. I'm actually gonna put my vote on Snow because I'm no longer sure if he's the person I used to think he was, and while I doubt he'll be lynched I'd rather not go into the final night a fool.

I don't really think my power will matter tonight so I don't necessarily have to vote but I might do anyway.

Less than an hour to vote. Do any developments want to happen or am I going to have to vote for someone I'm still not sure I want to vote for?

Snow Dog wrote:Is this our last day?

I believe so, and the coming night is our last night. So whoever gets lynched today will be the last to die...

Hedgeowl wrote:Has anyone else received a drink? I am curious to this, because I have yet to experience any drink symptoms. I have also now received a 2nd drink.

I've never had one, I'm beginning to think the barman doesn't love me! Actually I think I know what they're doing to people and if I'm right it would make sense that the same people are getting more than one rather than the barman working his way through all the players, which is why I was asking about it earlier.

thellama73 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I'm gonna go with crazy lady because apparently that's what's in there. Having not seen or read The Shining it could actually be a room full of cakes and ice cream for all I know
You found the easter egg!

I... did? Awesome!

I'm gonna go with crazy lady because apparently that's what's in there. Having not seen or read The Shining it could actually be a room full of cakes and ice cream for all I know

So I have no real idea of how to use my vote, but my dilemma is that if I don't vote I'll have no idea on day 6 either whereas voting might help. I'll follow the instincts of SVS, the only player I still trust, and vote Vomp.

Today is difficult now, there's only one person I trust any more and even then I could be wrong.

Vompatti wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Vompatti wrote:I'm currently under the impression that someone has been posting false hints about their role and that someone is either Bullz or Mongoose.
It's not me. It's either Snow or Mongoose. I thought Snow was one of two roles, now Mongoose has made me wonder... I have no idea which I'd trust tbh.
I was under the impression that you and snowy trusted each other? If that's not the case that changes everything.

I trusted Snow until Mongoose hinted at being who I thought he had claimed to be. Now I'm interested to hear from both of them about it.

Vompatti wrote:I'm currently under the impression that someone has been posting false hints about their role and that someone is either Bullz or Mongoose.

It's not me. It's either Snow or Mongoose. I thought Snow was one of two roles, now Mongoose has made me wonder... I have no idea which I'd trust tbh.

Snow Dog wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I am going to be heartbroken if we kill off another good character. I don't want to lose Mrs. Torrance. I think I would lose a piece of myself.
This is an interesting statement. I have two people in mind to be a certain character. Was I wrong I wonder?

I'm wondering if I've been wrong about a person as well...

Vompatti wrote:
Mongoose wrote:I am going to be heartbroken if we kill off another good character. I don't want to lose Mrs. Torrance. I think I would lose a piece of myself.
If this is true, I may have been wrong about two (2) people I've somewhat trusted so far.

I would think Danny can prove you're not wrong about him

Hedgeowl wrote:
Vompatti wrote:
Kate wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Are you suggesting it's Hedgeowl and Mongoose then? I'm not getting baddie vibes from either. I wish we didn't have to lynch anyone.
I'm not suggesting its anyone, I'm just saying its not me.
It has to be someone though.
You are correct, we all have to be some role, but I am not a twin. I can't speak for Mongoose. I think at this point its hard to define baddie. There are no more NKs, therefore I think it more accurate to say that we each have our individual baddies. Meaning those who prevent our win condition.

While my win condition does not require anyone's death, I had forgotten about the lack of Night power if we dont vote. For this reason I am going to have to vote today, but I've been doing some rereading to help figure out who.

Have others received drinks by now? Is this a nightly thing?

I've yet to receive a drink but I imagine quite a few people have had them at this point. My question would be has anybody been given more than one? I have a sort of theory about what they do but I can't elaborate on it yet. I'm also one who wants to vote and not lose their night power but if nothing decent comes up I may reconsider.

Kate wrote:From looking at the roles, the only other roles that could be killers are the hotel and Lloyd because they have *secrets*. I doubt that llama would make a building a killer, that just seems weird, plus if it were there's no way it'd be unlynchable. It'd be practically indestructible. As for Lloyd, I suppose its a little more likely than the hotel, but I still think its very unlikely given the fact that there have been no kills since King died and no reference to attempted kills in the posts.

I could see Lloyd having literally one kill, like maybe there's a chance he'll serve somebody poison. But like you say none of the roles really seem set up to be killers at this point. It's possible we're just really lucky.

Mongoose wrote:These are the characters that have been offed:

* Jack Torrance
* Stanley Kubrick
* Stephen King
* Dick Halloran
* Delbert Grady

I was looking at the Players List on Page 1, and noticed that no one has been NK'd since N1.

There are several scenarios for this, and more than one of these is probably occurring.

1) Until Nev died (during the Day 3 vote), he was very effective at protecting various players.
2) Wendy, who is still alive, is doing a rather awesome job of role blocking a murderer.
3) All the "murderers" have died off already
4) There were PMs missing from various players on N3 and N4. Those PMs could have come from a player who has a murdery ability.

In summation: do we think any of the remaining characters have the ability to kill off characters at night? Or: are defensive players just playing very smartly.

I genuinely feel King was the only killer. If he wasn't we'd have seen kills from someone else, it'd be rather self-defeating for someone with an NK and a win condition that required people dead to hide and act like nobody is killing. Another thing is Wendy wouldn't be allowed to block the same person every night so even if she's that good it wouldn't matter. Of course if in a couple of hours it's mentioned that someone got NKed then disregard everything I've just said.

Set the rug on fire. That'll do it.

Vompatti wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Kate wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Well, I'm glad about that result! Although I am now questioning how good our resident sanity checker is, as I don't see how anybody could think that that guy seems sane. I'm gonna follow Kate's logic and go to the kid's room, they do tend to be safer than adults in this sort of film and honestly I'm still a bit of a kid myself, so it might be a good idea.
We can make a fort out of the blankets. It will be safe under there.
I think we have to now that you've said that. Does anyone else want to join us in our awesome blanket fort?

Side note, me and my flatmates next year have decided we're going to actually make a Community-inspired blanket fort in our flat at some point. Because we're all mature and sensible grown ups about to be graduating into the real world and become the sort of people you'd totally want in education, business, or psychology.

Linki Vomp - nobody said anything about sleeping with children, just that we're stealing their room. They can leave if they don't like that.
Stealing the children's room is not a very nice thing to do.

Neither is being a creepy ghost, but two thirds of the children in this game do that anyway...

Kate wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Well, I'm glad about that result! Although I am now questioning how good our resident sanity checker is, as I don't see how anybody could think that that guy seems sane. I'm gonna follow Kate's logic and go to the kid's room, they do tend to be safer than adults in this sort of film and honestly I'm still a bit of a kid myself, so it might be a good idea.
We can make a fort out of the blankets. It will be safe under there.

I think we have to now that you've said that. Does anyone else want to join us in our awesome blanket fort?

Side note, me and my flatmates next year have decided we're going to actually make a Community-inspired blanket fort in our flat at some point. Because we're all mature and sensible grown ups about to be graduating into the real world and become the sort of people you'd totally want in education, business, or psychology.

Linki Vomp - nobody said anything about sleeping with children, just that we're stealing their room. They can leave if they don't like that.

Well, I'm glad about that result! Although I am now questioning how good our resident sanity checker is, as I don't see how anybody could think that that guy seems sane. I'm gonna follow Kate's logic and go to the kid's room, they do tend to be safer than adults in this sort of film and honestly I'm still a bit of a kid myself, so it might be a good idea.

I've begun to wonder if my initial trust of MP was misplaced, and I know I don't want Snow to die today, so I'm going to vote MP and hope he's not who I originally thought he might have been.

Snow Dog wrote:I want to know what Bullzeye thinks. If he is who I think he is, he doesn't want me dead and I not him. So I suspect we may vote together to save me if it needs to come to that. Which I hope it doesn't.

I definitely don't want you dead. I was trusting MP up until now and I'd still be hesitant to vote for him because of something I found out a while ago, but things change. I'm really busy today and hadn't anticipated posting until tonight but if I have to save you today Snow I'll do my best in the hopes that you are who I think you are. If this is one big misunderstanding and you're someone completely different then I take my hat off to you (or would do if I was wearing a hat).

Also I voted for bourbon.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Well, llama said we could choose not to vote~ we will then be role blocked at night. My power is not "all that" that I am unwilling to give it up. I may choose to not vote tomorrow. My conditions involve others being ALIVE, not dead. So I would have no problems with no more death.

If other people choose to vote, that is cool, so long as they don't vote for me~
Ok...I have the same conditions. I'm glad you understand what I was doing now. My NM is not something I care much about either. So I may vote...I May not. I won't vote for you if you prefer not.
How do I know neither of you are lying?

Does anyone else have a win condition similar to this?

Mine also requires someone other than myself to be alive at the end, and I don't need or want anyone dead unless they want me dead I guess.

S~V~S wrote:Well, i got one, and i don't THINK I'm any more insane than normal. All the host told me is, "Someone sent you a drink, you were thirsty, you drank it". No consequences or effects.

If it made me insane, i am unaware of it.

"Crazy people don't know they're crazy, they think they're getting saner"

I don't personally think the bartender makes people crazy, I think it's the hotel doing that. I have no idea what the drinks do to people though if they don't make you crazy...

That... was not what I expected...

Hedgeowl wrote:
Well it's true, we do have to lynch somebody, but this just seems so strange to me. Unfortunately, if what Nev says is true, then we won't learn anything much by his lynch. Kate, Bullz? What are your thoughts before the vote?

linki- jealous of bwt now!

I think Nev wants to die. Maybe he has to be dead to win, if that's the case I'll happily oblige him. If he was the hotel I can't think of any reason why he'd want his role to be obvious as I think it's probably not a friendly role. I'm actually going to vote for him, because he clearly wants it and I'm curious as to why.

S~V~S wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
Bullzeye wrote: Linki SVS: Seems you and I are in the same boat. I have no interest in lynching anyone who doesn't want me out of the way to win.
I've changed my mind, we should lynch bullzeye and SVS. I have secret information that almost guarantees that their win condition involves eliminating several of us.
LOL, thats ridiculous. You have no such info becasue it isn't true, at least not about me. And Bullz isn't acting all that bloodthirsty as far as I can see. Like I said, my win conditions don't involve anyone being dead. Quite the opposite, actually. So either, A, you got false info, or B, you are making it up, and I am going to guess B.

Also, I would like to discuss drinks. I was served a drink last night, but was not told what, if anything, it did. Just that i was thirsty and drank it. Has that happened to anyone else?

I've not had a drink but I've had a sanity check sent to me the night before which I'd have acted on if I was told the person was insane. Did the drink have like a special name or anything? Also was it a choice to drink or did you have to?

Kate wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I'm usually oblivious to hints as well. Given I know only the general gist of things about The Shining I'd be hopeless if someone made a hint based on what a character does or anything like that, but if anyone trusts me they should believe me when I say Snow is ok. For now at least.
Lol. Well I trust you that he's ok for your win condition. However I'm not so sure about mine or anyone else's.

Bear in mind I could be completely wrong here and I'll look and feel like a total fool if Snow gets lynched at some point and is anyone other than the person I think he is. He may not even have any idea what I'm talking about. But if I'm right then unless your win condition wants specific people to die then neither he nor I are any threat to you. I'm certainly not in any case.

Linki SVS: Seems you and I are in the same boat. I have no interest in lynching anyone who doesn't want me out of the way to win.

Hedgeowl wrote:
Nevinera wrote:After I'm lynched you will still all be confused. My suicide has a rational motive, and an extremely civ one.
I won't come back to haunt you. Unless the rules allow that? That would be cool :-p
This isn't the llama gambit right? Cause I don't think that would work in this game. Since we all have what I assume are different win conditions, I really don't know how to interpret your suicide as having an 'extremely civ' motive. I am 95% not inclined to vote for you. I know the tendency is to lynch people for their behavior if it smacks of the weird, unpredictable, and unexplained, because they're probably a baddie, but Nev's actions strike me as decidedly odd.

As for haunting, I have started to wonder if based on our theme there might be more than meets the eye for the dead characters. That would be one of the only ways I could consider Nev's actions rational at all.

I have no idea what this is, but I agree the 'Llama gambit' (which I won't criticise this time, given our host!) wouldn't apply in a game like this. I'm curious as to what you're thinking about the dead characters though. Could it be that they have to die while the live characters have to survive? That seems just about crazy enough to happen.

I'm usually oblivious to hints as well. Given I know only the general gist of things about The Shining I'd be hopeless if someone made a hint based on what a character does or anything like that, but if anyone trusts me they should believe me when I say Snow is ok. For now at least.

Nevinera wrote:I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're talking about me? I have made no role hints of any kind, though I suppose my general strategy might give away some aspects of my won condition :-)

We're talking about Snow. Something he said has made me trust him, and I'm just throwing that out there because I don't want him to get lynched in case I'm right about who I think he is (and I'm quite sure I am).

S~V~S wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
S~V~S wrote:MP, now i am seeing your point, I am not a Grady Twin, or any kind of Grady. I do agree they are baddies, or most likely to be potentially baddies.

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As I said above. there are no baddies this game. We all seem to have our own win conditions.
I disagree; it would not be a Mafia game were there not potential enemies, people that could kill us. Stephen King could kill us, but I doubt he was the only one. Having seen this movie several jillion times, and worn out the book twice, i would guess that Jack could have gone bad, and I would also guess that the gradys could go bad. Possibly the bartender. But what would be the point of lynching anyone if there are no baddies?

I waffle on the hotel. But I am pretty sure about the Gradys.

Your theory earlier was interesting; you say you think that the checker makes people insane. Apparently you made a role hint yesterday that got some play, but I did not catch it, I seldom do, plus I try to NOT look for them, since they are not my favorite thing in the world. I will have to go look for it, i guess. Becasue I am very much thinking I see something else, and it is not good, to my eye.

Nevin says he has to get lynched, and he was saying that yesterday as well. *sigh*

It wasn't exactly a role hint. He said something that I think revealed his role to me if he's telling the truth. But if he is telling the truth then we want him alive.

Nevinera wrote:Just to be clear, nothing made crazy except my desire for victory :-)

And you apparently win by being lynched and removed from the game?

Snow Dog wrote:Unless the hotel is doing it. That makes sense doesn't it? Haunted Hotel.

That was my assumption, that the hotel is making people mad and perhaps its win condition is tied to how many people it can make mad or something.

Can you explain what makes you think that Snow?

Just a thought - maybe we don't need to kill the hotel. Maybe there's a way we can render it unable to win the game and make it essentially useless.

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I am sorry you feel that way. And in a normal mafia game with a normal mafia team to combat I doubt I would behave so extremely. But the nature of this game, I though at least, allowed for it.

Or maybe I'm just playing with you still and I'm unlynchable.
No worries, I'm not upset or harbor any ill will or anything like that. Just let it be known that any player who self-votes from Day 3 onward or refuses to play the game WILL likely be getting my vote.

I get that. Yes, the role setup and win conditions here are different. But I'm just going based off of what makes the most sense for the "civvies" in this game to win because I believe myself to fall under that category.

Given Stephen King is gone and Jack is gone (and he presented some complications) and the game hasn't ended, it seems logical to me that the Gradies, Bartender, and maybe even the unlynchable role need to go. I think that seems sensible, don't you?

I think you're right about who needs to go, but how do you suppose we kill an unlynchable role when (presumably) the only NK power in the game is gone? Serious question btw.

Regarding the poll, I'd like to think if I was lost in a maze I'd do something smart like keep left, and maybe I'd even start out doing that, but honestly I'd probably end up just wandering aimlessly, or cheating and forcing my way through the hedges but that isn't an option so I guess I have to vote for the random wandering.

S~V~S wrote:12 players, 12 roles counting Tony and Danny as one, not two.

Maybe Danny is sort of an info role and 'Tony' is just a game mechanic/storytelling thing? If we don't have an actual Tony role then I'm not sure what else might be the case.

Mongoose wrote:Yeah, I'm pretty sure Danny Torrance is his own role. They are listed separately.

Looking at the list Danny is a role but Tony doesn't seem to be

S~V~S wrote: Becasue you are a person who can fool me really smoothly, I need to know where you are in most games, and try to find out early. This reaction makes me feel pretty OK.

Good catch on Dex, (Burn, Stephen King, burn~) any other suspicions? I have more in the way of good feelings than bad, tbh.

Linki~ yeah, you are pretty forthright, but you soften the edges nicely. Feel free to blush

Linki @ MP~ not sure about Kate, but I have seen nothing from her to comment on She and I can tend to get too paranoid about each other, we discussed that after a recent game, and I am trying not to overanalyze her any more than I do anyone else (except Bullz, lol)

Honestly Dex was basically a lucky guess for me. What I said in my back and forth with him was the truth of it: Snow said there were ten minutes to vote, I panicked and voted for someone that I thought there was a half-decent reason to vote for without having thought it through as much as I'd have preferred to do, and it turned out to be one of the best options. I think we're in a similar place right now, I've got good feelings about a couple of players but nobody has seemed particularly evil or insane to me.

Linki Mongoose: Are Tony and the kid two roles? I'd assumed it was just the one, sort of an info-getting deal. The twins role says it's two players whereas the kid's (I can't even remember his name!) doesn't if I recall correctly.

S~V~S wrote:Bullz is a very forthright guy, and his remark about the definition of blendiness did not sound like him, tbh. So since I was not wanting to vote Snow since I thought he wanted to get votes, and I did not want to vote Vomp for being Vomp, I voted Bullz to remind him I was looking, and hoping he was nice, normal sane Bullz With my "gotta rush, posting from phone" vote, I did not expect him to get any more votes.

I only skimmed in the few minutes since I got home, will reread and post more in a few after catching up.

Linki~ um, yeah. You seemed to be trying to drum up suspicion, Snow.

Really? I'm actually surprised, an opinion I've always held doesn't sound like me

That makes sense though I suppose and I assure you I'm still good old nice normal Bullzeye, sane at least in the context of this game.

FWIW I trust Snow for now after his role hint and will not be voting him despite odd behaviour unless anything comes up to disprove what I think I know.

Mongoose wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:I was just thinking I hope Snow wasn't going to get lynched, but I wasn't expecting such a good result to the lynch. So now who are we hunting for?
Grady twins, Delbert, Lloyd, Stuart?

I've never read or seen The Shining so I'm not actually familiar with the characters or plot, are we now basically looking for the 'baddie' characters? The whole secret win conditions thing makes it hard to tell who we actually need to get rid of.

I was just thinking I hope Snow wasn't going to get lynched, but I wasn't expecting such a good result to the lynch. So now who are we hunting for?

Well, you're wrong. If votes had timestamps you'd see I cast my vote probably seconds before Llama posted. I was rushing because I hate missing votes - hence why it's rare to see me do so. I kinda buy Snow's recent role hint as well so I don't think lynching him is a good idea FWIW.

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