The Syndicate

DharmaHelper wrote:I'm glad you're amused Matt

At least someone is!

Well played, the nine people who actually voted for me.

Linki: Completely agree with DH.

insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Could've put on a unicorn outfit and had sex with my couch this morning INH. Didn't tho.

@Bullz I won't but thanks
How do I know you didn't?

Because I have it on good authority that he only does that on weekdays.

DH if you really do have that rezz don't bother using it on me

I hope you win!

thellama73 wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:The way I see it everyone had access to IOU so IOU is fair play. Everyone had access to friends and such, so friends and such are fair play. American Gods accounts are underhanded and not fair play IMO because not everyone has access to them.
The sign ups have been open for some time now. Anyone who wanted could have signed up and gotten an account.

I'm not playing it, or any other game until next June, because I don't have the time. Does that mean I deserve to be disadvantaged in this game? Why should those who are playing it be allowed to have 2 votes in this game's poll?

thellama73 wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, no way would I activate accounts that are second accounts of other players just so they could vote in this poll. Lol.
I know you wouldn't but that's basically what I.O.U. is, it's a second account to whoever wants to use it which is why I don't think its vote should count because it's probably someone who then also voted on their own account as well which I don't think is fair and wouldn't no matter who it had voted for.
The wording of INH's post is clear. If he honors his own rules, IOU's vote will count.

Maybe so but I still think it's ridiculous and unfair to allow votes from sockpuppet accounts. Anyone can get on it so it basically means somebody gets to vote twice. Nobody else gets to do that.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Also, no way would I activate accounts that are second accounts of other players just so they could vote in this poll. Lol.

I know you wouldn't but that's basically what I.O.U. is, it's a second account to whoever wants to use it which is why I don't think its vote should count because it's probably someone who then also voted on their own account as well which I don't think is fair and wouldn't no matter who it had voted for.

A Person wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
A Person wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Is I.O.U. dead?
IOU is a nonparticipating individual, which makes him eligible for this poll.
insertnamehere wrote:
TWIST #4

None of the still living players can vote on the next poll. Only Deadies, Non-Participants, and any other account that is not playing.
Except I.O.U. isn't an individual, it's an account that anybody can log into and use because it was created for use in this game. It shouldn't be allowed to count because anyone could use it to cheat and put an extra vote down.
It says "any other account" not person.

By that logic I could make a whole bunch of accounts and use them all to save myself. I'm not going to though, because that would be cheating.

Vompatti wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
A Person wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Is I.O.U. dead?
IOU is a nonparticipating individual, which makes him eligible for this poll.
insertnamehere wrote:
TWIST #4

None of the still living players can vote on the next poll. Only Deadies, Non-Participants, and any other account that is not playing.
Except I.O.U. isn't an individual, it's an account that anybody can log into and use because it was created for use in this game. It shouldn't be allowed to count because anyone could use it to cheat and put an extra vote down.
It's not cheating if it's allowed k

And it shouldn't be allowed because it's not a real account k

Not that it matters, MP's big alliance is going to get me bandwagoned from beyond the grave. As soon as INH decided that would be today's 'twist' it wasn't going to be anybody but me or DH because we made too many enemies and then beat them all.

A Person wrote:
Vompatti wrote:Is I.O.U. dead?
IOU is a nonparticipating individual, which makes him eligible for this poll.
insertnamehere wrote:
TWIST #4

None of the still living players can vote on the next poll. Only Deadies, Non-Participants, and any other account that is not playing.

Except I.O.U. isn't an individual, it's an account that anybody can log into and use because it was created for use in this game. It shouldn't be allowed to count because anyone could use it to cheat and put an extra vote down.

I.O.U. isn't even one person's account, it's a sockpuppet so its vote shouldn't count hopefully.

Elohcin wrote:Since we can talk on topic today, I'd like to start the discussion among the deadies. Who here feels they have been burned by DharmaHelper? I am thinking it may be his time to go.

We all know I was the brains of our duo. Anyone who feels burned by the actions of me and dh should lynch me if they feel that strongly about it. On the other hand I'd rather see Mongoose or AP lynched but its out of my hands either way...

So that's me gone then...

£5 says I know who Team MP will pile votes onto

Is there actually a point to having night phases when nobody has night powers any more?

Except it's not a tie because as Lizzy so astutely pointed out, Snow has an extra vote

Snow Dog wrote:Och aye, hoots mon. I am voting for Goose, Mon!

What he said, just not in as ridiculous a way.

insertnamehere wrote: I searched on DuckDuckGo "sherlock transcripts" and found this: http://arianedevere.livejournal.com/30648.html It's pretty accurate with no spelling errors, but because the Sherlock fanbase is sadly composed mostly of people fangirling over the actors, the transcriber usually puts in bullshit like this. Most of the time I manage to edit it out, but sometimes something slips past.

Good excuse

DharmaHelper wrote:OK so we are all in agreement to vote Bullz next right?

No we're all voting you in the ugly person contest!

Snow Dog wrote:Can I vote Lizzy?

Are you:

A) The host?

B) Dead?

or

C) Not playing?

If the answer to one or more of these is yes, then by all means do so!

DharmaHelper wrote:Early NP?

I concur. To come up with such amazing suggestions you must have an absolutely incredible partner in this game.

Linki - You just said we're done twice

That may be the quickest someone has ever been booted out of a game!

Sorry Epig but that poll isn't even a question for me. Snow has had my back all the way.

Lizzy wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I knew it'd be me Liz. So no surprises there. Thanks a bunch.
I've been after you for a while, but I couldn't do anything about it because of team super alliance. You should take that as a compliment kay.

Team super alliance now outnumbers the rest of the game thanks to Vomp's generous departure

Vompatti wrote:He owed me k

You can't owe something to a dead person

He should have voted for you, our alliance would've been guaranteed the win.

If AP votes for me our alliance is over. If he doesn't there's still a chance that our two partnerships will be the last four and we already have a plan for how to end the game if we do get to that stage.

insertnamehere wrote: Half of you, intentional or not, voted for the wrong team. Including Bullzeye, who was one of only two people specifically told by me what their team was!

You told me the wrong option, didn't bother to correct yourself when I first asked and by the time you did correct it I'd already voted so that's hardly my fault

Anyway I've only got one choice this poll so it's gonna have to be Vomps, sorry!

Frankly, challenges I don't have time for make me see red.

Snow Dog wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Things have escalated quickly.
That lifts my spirits

At least there hasn't been an uprising!

I'm going to cheat now and see what happens:

^ ^ v v < > < > B A

Did it work?

Matt F wrote:Wth? Is this cake talk some kind of secret code?

I'm intrigued by Llama talking about cheating. Cheating rules!

Some btsc partner you must be if you don't even know about Elo's mafia-famous cake industry.

Matt F wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:Btw, if we are allowed to trade powers, I'd be happy to trade my NKs so I don't get NKd myself. Of course, whoever I traded with just might NK me, but that's a chance I'm willing to take.

Any takers? PM me if interested.
I'll trade you my remaining rezzes! All none of them
I'm not sure if you are talking about your role in this game, or if you are making fun about Supernatural.

Either way,

Supernatural didn't actually cross my mind, but now that you mention it yes. I was totally doing both.

Linki - I suspect I won't be getting any cakes either DH. We'll just have to make our own!

Matt F wrote:Btw, if we are allowed to trade powers, I'd be happy to trade my NKs so I don't get NKd myself. Of course, whoever I traded with just might NK me, but that's a chance I'm willing to take.

Any takers? PM me if interested.

I'll trade you my remaining rezzes! All none of them

Matt F wrote:
Interesting, I believe DH told me the same thing about switching powers. Back before I originally died, or went to jail or whatever, I offered to switch my power for DH's, which was useless, and he said we weren't allowed.

I wonder if INH gave DH a different power after he pretty much made DH's useless, and that's why DH didn't want to trade.

Not that this will change your mind but DH's power is what it always was. Either INH or someone else told us that only won powers could be traded, which is why he has gone around saying that. We told Snow the same thing and then he told us we were wrong.

Matt F wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:I refuse to direct your NK because its not my NK :P
But way early in the game, you and Bullz were all stoked to be able to use my NK. Now you're not?

Ah screw it, I'll just take you and Bullz out then. Or attempt to anyway, I'll most likely kill myself. If you have any suggestions other then Bullz or DH, feel free to PM me.

Really off to watch Supernatural now. Just got to season five, it's getting crazy good! If only the host of the Supernatural game had kept his promise and given me a prize in the game, I would probably enjoy the show a lot more.

I did give you a prize! You got one for recruiting people, you just didn't live long enough for it to matter. That's your fault.

Snow Dog wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Matt F wrote:When you wear the winners banner, Bullz, will you feel proud of your actions here today?
It's a game dude. I've done nothing wrong. Besides, I've won two games here already and do you see those banners in my sig somewhere?
You find banners in sigs a little gauche?

I have no problem with them, I just don't always like to use them. Only when I feel like I made a strong contribution to the win, like in VGM, or if they're awesome like the Muppets one was.

Hedgeowl wrote: Of course I was part of an alliance with MP. He was my teammate! And Bullz you are a super smart veteran player in this game and have been a double-agent for civ/baddies before. What did you think when as MP's teammate, I didnt join the alliance of 8? Clearly there were mutliple chatzys going on for you as well, so to pretend is was this huge double-cross is dishonest, but then thats what this game is about. You are not the victim here, but keeping trying to sell that cause its working really well for you obviously.

You know what I mean, the big alliance where MP was basically calling the shots. You weren't invited to our alliance when MP was because we didn't know you were his partner. You'd have been welcome if MP had joined. People have been turning on me left and right. That kinda makes me a victim.

Matt F wrote:When you wear the winners banner, Bullz, will you feel proud of your actions here today?

It's a game dude. I've done nothing wrong. Besides, I've won two games here already and do you see those banners in my sig somewhere?

Matt F wrote:But Snowdog, the only reason I didn't want to target you was because I thought you had a NK.

Really gotta rethink my options tonight.

Elo, PM me when you get online. Figure out who you want to target personally, and we'll go from there.

Linki - Ugh, yeah, it's one thing to tell all, but quite another to show private conversations. Icky. Tsk tsk, Bullz.

It's hardly a conversation. It's one PM. Anyone else would do the same thing. If I know someone has tried to go against me I'm going to act on that and if I have proof I'm going to show it. If anyone with a kill has a problem with that they know what they can do. If INH has a problem he can modkill me for it.

Hedgeowl wrote: I guess I agree that at this point Bullz/Dh have played the slimiest game and therefore should win for being willing to go all out and post PMs and Btsc chatter in thread. That for me actually feels like it crossed a line. Of course there are double-crossings in this game, thats the point. But how its come about and the way Bullz/DH play the "poor us" card is just an act and they know it.

DH and I got a PM showing that Elo had been double-crossing us. AGAIN. After we trusted her the first time. So I posted it in the thread as the reason for my vote, so that there could be no doubt as to who had screwed who. The stuff we were sent about your alliance with MP and everyone we posted to show that MP was no better than his claims about us, and to prove that we weren't the only ones making alliances.

Bullzeye wrote:Voting Elo. Not sure who my other vote will be yet.

The red part there is a link. To a picture of Elo asking Lizzy to vote DH and saying she can get a bandwagon against him. This despite having done her best to convince us she was on our side.

Matt you still haven't responded to the fact that if anyone has screwed anyone, it's Elo, and therefore neither you nor her have any right to feel wronged. Nothing to say? Also I still want to know what this other thing I screwed you over with this week was. Even if you have to PM it to me.

Matt F wrote:DH, I look forward to you masterfully manipulating the rest of the players rest of game. It really is magical.

Daisy, I get the feeling you showed during some of your last posts. Outrage! But I am feeling calmer, in the knowledge that Elo and I aren't the only suckers. There will be more.

Snowdog, I am quite aware that Vomps may have been playing me the whole time, you and him both, but just in case Vomps was serious...

Just wanted to let you know he approached me about using a NK on you. He claimed you had a NK, I dunno if that's true, but if you do have one, I suggest using it soon before you get taken out. If Vomps and Mongoose are DH Drones, I see you going down fairly soon, assuming Vomps was being legit with me in PM.

I notice you don't address the fact that Elo betrayed me and DH and that's why she's getting votes. We didn't screw anyone, she tried to screw us. Vomps and Mongoose have no connection to DH or me.

Linki - I really don't know what else.

Matt F wrote:Ugh.

Tis a shame, Bullz. You have a way of making me feel dirty after helping you out. Second time this week I've helped you with something, and then I get screwed over afterwards. Daisy and MP, you were so right, but at this point, I am hoping Bullz and DH win, they so deserve it.

What else have I apparently screwed you on? Elo screwed us anyway. Look at the picture I linked, she went behind our backs to try and get DH lynched. I'm obviously not going to just sit and accept that. I'm sorry you're losing your partner but frankly she deserves it. We did nothing against her and even gave her the benefit of the doubt when we probably shouldn't have and she repaid us instantly by trying to kill my partner. I'll understand if you feel you have to kill me in retaliation but she caused this herself.

Actually I'll stick with DH and vote Hedge as my second.

Voting Elo. Not sure who my other vote will be yet.

Surprised im alive! Voting daisy.

Oh and I almost forgot: *Voting MP*. Obviously.

Spacedaisy wrote: Also, you misunderstood my meaning when i said i didn't betray yo for him.I listened And watched what was happening and realized very quickly that I did not feel comfortable trusting you guys, well before MP entered the game. My partner and I discussed it and he felt the same as I did. Going along with you was simply easier at the time than outright going against you. MP coming into the game only allowed us to form a group of people I felt I could trust. This is not saying anything against your characters, you two are playing a fantastic game. You have walked a great balance of keeping your promises while still hurting the people you say you won't, without actually getting your hands dirty. I give you props for it and I would expect nothing less from such strategic players as yourselves. To be honest, Bullz your power is too great to keep around to end game, it would make it very hard for anyone to win against someone who can simply get out of jail three times. You would feel the same if the tables were turned. As far as Snow's kill, I would not presume to tell him how or when to use it. It's his to use as he sees fit. If he uses it on me, so be it. I don't think you are better or worse than me or MP, but I think you are too dangerous to have around in end game, and I don't think you have been as honest with your collaborators as you have claimed. I fact I am certain of that. And it's fine. The difference here is I know that when the time comes, MP will kill me if that is what it takes to win the game. And vice versa. I am not deluding myself. But I do know that when I am working with him, I have no fear that he is working behind my back to get someone else to take me out. So I am comfortable working with him, and Elo, and Hedge and of course my own partner. In the end we don't all win, and that is cool. Let the chips fall where they may. And in all honesty if you guys win it, you will deserve it, because this is not an easy game. I have no question if MP has not been 100% honest with me, and I know I have been 100% with Elohcin. Do I know she has been 100% honest with me? I don't know it like I do with MP, but I believe she has and I trust her. So to clarify my meaning, I did not betray you for him, I betrayed you because I never felt like I could fully trust you to begin with. There were too many warning signs to the contrary. Again, that is just the nature of the game and the sign i was seeing told me you were playing a really strategic game, but i knew it was not going to my benefit in the long run. And your "super alliance" or "mega alliance" came about after the group I trust had already formed. So I did not betray you for him. I pulled for him because I already knew I could trust him and I wasn't going to see an ally get sent to prison right out of the gate. If you must know, I was pulling for Matt F. Doing everything I could find to do to help save him, in the end it wasn't enough. So my betrayal of you was completely my own and for reasons unconnected to MP, and I have no regret about it. I honestly, don't really care if I win or not, I am just enjoying the game. I will try my best to win but I won't lose sleep over it if I lose. So if my choices thus far lead to my down fall, oh well. I've made the choices I felt best for me and mine as they came along. No regrets.

First, we're definitely not going to win. MP and Matt between them have seen to that. Also regarding Matt we only turned against him because he'd screwed us over at every turn and we had no reason to want to continue associating with him. He offered us control over his kill before he died and we didn't send in a name but perhaps we should've got him to kill BWT so MP could never replace in.

Matt F wrote:Also, just so everyone knows, I am going to be sitting in a corner, not causing any trouble. I won't even be using my power.

Bullz, dude, I am surprised you rezzed me. If I recall, you have told the thread about 6 bajillion times about how I was begging you for this and that, and then you rez me in the hopes I will vote MP today.

I actually considered doing it, but then I realized how many chuckles I would get if I were to completely screw you and DH over yet again!

Don't you think you've screwed us over enough for one game? You owe me and DH.

That actually kinda makes sense.

My big alliance is basically defunct at this point. Any killers with the intention of winning this should take out MP, thereby satisfying my desire for revenge and unraveling the other big alliance of the game. It's a good idea. He'll kill you if you don't, one way or another.

MovingPictures07 wrote: I have corresponded with Snow Dog since joining in and have been brutally honest with him, but he wanted to consider all the alternatives. I could respect that. But it looked like he and AP were so firmly in your and Bullz's little cheer camp that I didn't feel I could fully trust them to join that discussion. Everyone is doing this. Everyone is talking to other players, 1 on 1, groups of 4, groups of 8, what have you, and everyone should have the option to do that.

First of all - "honest"

Second if you've been trying to bring in Snow it's only because you want his kill either under your control or out of the way. Hopefully he can see that for himself though.

MP wrote:It's not why I'm saying you and Bullz need to leave. But this little escapade shows both of your true colors quite well.

What exactly does this show about us? It shows that Epi isn't as trustworthy as you thought but it shows nothing about us. All we're doing is proving that you're no different from us.

MP wrote:And of course everyone knows that we can't all win together. That would be naive and downright stupid. But I've been completely honest in all of my interactions and I've kept those close to me whom I have judged to do the same. If I have to lose this portion of the game (god only knows what INH has in store for Phase 2, but nonetheless, all I can do is make decisions based on what I currently know), I'd rather lose it to someone who has been honest and not two-faced.

Phase 2 is every man for himself. This has already been covered.

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