The Syndicate

I see Sabretooth was Scarlet Witch, who died the night before my first death. Why was my kill written as being done by Sabretooth when she was already dead? That turned out to really suck for me later on.

Also, what was up with the danger room ID's? Did they have any significance?

I really enjoyed this game, it was awesome! I had a lot of fun making up ice-related puns for all my night targets. No idea where that idea came from but I decided to run with it.

Wait so I was a horseman? Crazy that I got lynched for being something I had no idea I actually was and supporting someone I actually should have been supported. Wow, what a game.

Havok wrote:well, if that's true, you voted for a civvie too. Oh, yeah, and you also chose to vote with the person we all think is APocalypse.

Her vote has nothing to do with my vote. I don't have a reason to vote for anybody else either.

If I die, it won't say I was recruited or anything. That is of course because I wasn't. I will enjoy seeing your explanation of how I totally definitely absolutely 100000000000000000% was and you didn't just lynch a civ because NO U though.

Oh my do I not care.

Actually I will move my vote. This game and its players aren't to blame for my life sucking. I expect I'll die tomorrow if not today anyway.

Lynching me will be no more helpful than it was last time. I'll still be a dead civ. I could potentially save myself by moving my own vote and tying it up but I'm not going to. I first came back disadvantaged by the fact I'd been dead half the game, which made it hard to get back into it. Then I get wrongly lynched because someone points out that a baddie killer seems to have died the night I did and I obviously have no explanation. After being rezzed, which I didn't expect, I decided to think for myself and not just follow the herd and for that I get accused of obviously being some kind of evil indy recruit with no understanding of how mafia is played. I'm tired and annoyed and I can't be bothered any more so I give up. Let the baddies win. Or the indies. I don't care, my own 'team' have been useless all game as far as I can see.

Havok: I self voted because of this ^ basically. Today isn't a good day and I'm mad at other things but I generally just can't be bothered so I give up.

Avalanche wrote:
Bullzeye wrote: I haven't been recruited by anyone and I don't know how I was rezzed but if getting me out is so important to your win I'll vote myself because I'm not in the mood.
Yeah, not in the mood for the truth.

The game is nearly over. If I'd been recruited by Apocalypse, who happened to be White Queen, would I really blatantly show our hand and ruin everything? Do you all think I'm that stupid? Thanks!

Havok wrote:Bullzeye is rezzed....there is no civvie explanation for it. And it just so happens to have occurred on the same night that Apocalypse makes his only 2 kills of the game.

Bullzeye has decided to follow White Queen today who we all think is Apocalypse and vote for me again today even after Professor X has vouched for me. Bullzeye claims it might just be Professor X's opinion. have you looked at Professor X's role, my dude?

I'm voting Bullzeye, too.

Linki: No indy reason for your rezz? You don't see Apocalypse's role with the big secret? I never said you did think you'd be back. If you were a civve and rezzed/recruited by Apocalypse how would you know beforehand?

'We all'. I never said I believed it. If Professor X wanted me to know something he could've picked me up last night and told me himself. He knows my role and my name. Until then I'm gonna take his posts with a pinch of salt because it could just be what him and his group think. I haven't been recruited by anyone and I don't know how I was rezzed but if getting me out is so important to your win I'll vote myself because I'm not in the mood.

Havok wrote:I'm not seeing any civvie reason for Bullzeye's rezz.

I'm not seeing any baddie/indy/whatsoever reason for my rezz tbh. You're gonna believe whatever suits you best, but I was clearly getting annoyed by how I got lynched both leading up to and immediately after it happened. I wouldn't have minded so much if I knew I'd be back.

Havok wrote:Why do you say that your vote doesn't matter?

Because I thought I was last to vote, but now notice Spiral still hasn't. In that situation, I couldn't affect the outcome of the lynch since Shadowcat had 2 more votes than anyone else.

Havok wrote:Yeah, your vote does worry me a great deal, Bullzeye. Did you not see Professor X's post? You've yet to acknowledge it.

I saw it. Could have just been opinion, I have no way of knowing that. My vote literally does not matter, it could have been for myself and it'd make as much impact. You all know my role so you know I have no special voting power. I was last to vote and too tired to be here so I just stuck to what I've been feeling for a while. We don't even know the Apocalypse stuff is fact. It's convincing, but it's theoretical and I don't see where Shadowcat is connected to it tbh. So I didn't want to vote for her.

I'm not sure what's so shocking about me coming in super tired (Alton Towers all day) after a day that I was too busy to participate in and keeping my vote where I put it last time.

Havok wrote:Interesting that Bullzeye ignores Professor X and votes WITH White Queen.

You sure you have no idea how you were rezzed there, Bullzeye???

You seem very offended by my vote. It's not like it's going to count for anything. Yeah I have no idea why I was rezzed, I wasn't expecting to be. If I was planning on coming back I wouldn't have made a sarcastic comment congratulating the baddies.

Linki: Haha wow.

I seem to be the last to vote, and I'm not sure if I want to vote Shadowcat so my vote doesn't really seem to matter. I guess I'll stick with Havok for the day.

Havok wrote:Bullzeye, how were you rezzed the 2nd time?

No idea.

Sorry, I've had no time for mafia recently. I still don't feel great about Havok but it seems most people don't actually agree with me so I'm unsure what I'm doing today at the moment.

Havok wrote:Why, thank you, Professor X.

Either Shaw is bad or we have been wrong about Shadowcat....or both.

We almost definitely aren't wrong about Shadowcat. I'm 99% sure Exodus was bad and that would mean she can't be.

Avalanche wrote:Quiet tonight. Too quiet. I suspect dark doings a'transpiring.

Too quiet? But I thought discussion was a bad thing??

Havok wrote:VOting for Longshot. Even if I didn't have to vote that way to save myself, I would still be voting Longshot. Rasputin summed it up nicely pointing out the Polaris lynch.

Bullz and Spiral, I wish you guys would reconsider your vote today. Bullzeye, again I ask you this: You said that the reason that you think I'm bad is because of my theory that Exodus was not brotherhood, right? What would I stand to gain by posting that theory if I was a member of the brotherhood? There was no bad intention behind it. I just became convinced of something and was wrong. Simple as that. We can't connect anyone to Exodus, so convincing people he was civvie wouldn't be helpful.

I don't know. Like I said, maybe I was biased by knowing you were almost definitely wrong while I read it but even when I was first dead and had no idea I'd be back, when I'd read the thread and see you pushing that theory I just felt like you had to be bad. I felt like you were trying to cover up for the infodump and cover for your team or something. I dunno, it just felt wrong to me.

Havok wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:
Havok wrote:You are right. It clearly wasn't something that the baddie team in this game would put forward, but at the time I thought it was. I gave them too much credit for being deep thinkers. At the time, I just didn't understand why a baddie team with 7 members would throw a seemer role under the bus. It made more sense to me to not let the seemer get lynched. I was wrong.

And you made a good point there about your lynch. It would make sense for baddies to jump on the case I put forth. It made sense and was an easy thing to agree with, but laying out the case and jumping on a bandwagon are two different things.
I don't think they threw him under the bus though, they just allowed him to be thrown. If a second Gambit was lynched in future without having done what Domino did, we'd know Exodus must have been fake because a seemer surely wouldn't pick an already revealed role. I think they hoped Gambit would be dead or less blatant, and hoped that Shadowcat would take the fall and when she was lynched people would assume I'd been the baddie and perhaps even rezz their seemer. That set up makes a lot more sense than for some reason claiming to have info about someone whose role they don't even know and wasn't much of a threat and then throwing their own seemer (Domino) under the bus to possibly die with another of their teammates, thereby going from 7 members to 5 in a short space of time when they had a good lead. Also I'm pretty sure you weren't the first to put forward a case against me. Spiral kinda hinted at it in the night and others might have mentioned it as well.
yes, that makes more sense to me now. At the time, what I posted made more sense to me. Proposing an unlikely theory doesn't make someone bad. In my experience, baddies are a lot less likely to propose something that everyone thinks is so far out there. Haven't you ever thought something made sense even when even when others didn't agree?

Of course, but I just can't shake the feeling that you're bad. I don't know if I'll be around later so I'm gonna *Vote Havok* now just to make sure.

Havok wrote:You are right. It clearly wasn't something that the baddie team in this game would put forward, but at the time I thought it was. I gave them too much credit for being deep thinkers. At the time, I just didn't understand why a baddie team with 7 members would throw a seemer role under the bus. It made more sense to me to not let the seemer get lynched. I was wrong.

And you made a good point there about your lynch. It would make sense for baddies to jump on the case I put forth. It made sense and was an easy thing to agree with, but laying out the case and jumping on a bandwagon are two different things.

I don't think they threw him under the bus though, they just allowed him to be thrown. If a second Gambit was lynched in future without having done what Domino did, we'd know Exodus must have been fake because a seemer surely wouldn't pick an already revealed role. I think they hoped Gambit would be dead or less blatant, and hoped that Shadowcat would take the fall and when she was lynched people would assume I'd been the baddie and perhaps even rezz their seemer. That set up makes a lot more sense than for some reason claiming to have info about someone whose role they don't even know and wasn't much of a threat and then throwing their own seemer (Domino) under the bus to possibly die with another of their teammates, thereby going from 7 members to 5 in a short space of time when they had a good lead. Also I'm pretty sure you weren't the first to put forward a case against me. Spiral kinda hinted at it in the night and others might have mentioned it as well.

Havok wrote:
Spiral wrote:I would support a Longshot and a Havok vote. I just reviewed some earlier parts of the game and remembered that Mojo was after Havok, and I think I trust Mojo's judgment.

Longshot has been very antagonistic towards me based on....???? No clue.

I do not think you should think I am bad. I literally started the vote against polaris that ended up being me vs. polaris. Polaris was bad.
Yes, and if you will also remember that I am the one that put the 4th vote onto Polaris which tied it up. If I was team mates with Polaris why would I do that on a day where no one was sure about either one of you two? I mean, it would make at least a little bit of sense if Polaris was getting a lot of heat and people felt sure about him. No one felt sure about either one of you two. It would have been crazy for me to throw Polaris under the bus if I was his team mate.

And to Bullzeye: I really hope that you are not letting the fact that I put the case on you in your lynch (Which you completely agreed was logical btw) cloud your judgement on me. You say that my case for Exodus being the real Gambit is why you voted for me before you were lynched the other day, yet this is the first time you bring it up. I've admitted that I was most likely wrong about that. That's all it was. It was not any grand conspiracy. I am not a brotherhood member. Pursuing a lynch of me would only end up in lynching a civvie.

IMO, Longshot is the best option for today. Followed by Sebastian Shaw. Everyone else, I feel pretty good about being an X-Man or in one case Apocalypse.

Initially I didn't bring up the Exodus thing because I asked Epi how far I should take it and while he said I could say some things he also said maybe I wouldn't want people knowing for sure I was Dazzler. So I kept quiet. Yes the case against me was logical and I said that but it really helped the baddies because they could jump on the bandwagon without fear of retribution. They obviously knew it wasn't true and I think they would have tried to push it forward. I just got the feeling you 'protested too loudly' about the validity Shadowcat's info and I don't think the theory you came up with made any sense or be something an actual baddie team would try when they had previously kept out of the spotlight quite well.

White Queen wrote:
Mikhail Rasputin wrote:Geez! Bad night. RIP Elo, and RIPIYWG Deadpool and Banshee.

To Apocalypse: Are you killing civs on purpose now? Because iirc, someone posted something a bit back that makes it nearly impossible Banshee was bad. If you are, you should know we have a problem.

WB Bullz! Glad our mistake was fixed so quickly.

Bullzeye wrote:Woop! Thanks for the rezz! Hopefully my being back can make a difference. I have a theory actually about something: I think Magneto might be dead. We've lynched a few baddies but never seen his power come into play and I'd think especially this late in the game it should have done at least once. Either he's targeting people that have no impact at all on the lynch or he's not targeting anyone at all.
I actually mentioned this a few days ago, and it was dismissed as crazy. Even I thought it was overly optimistic at the time. But you're right, Magneto is supposed to be horrendously powerful, and we haven't seen him affect even one lynch. So I am also cautiously optimistic he's dead.
What made it almost impossible that Banshee was bad? Not something based on the roles, I hope. Do you also think Deadpool was civ? And I think Magneto was in play in the lynch that was switched to me. The careful manipulation of the numbers by all the last minute vote switching led me to that conclusion. Do you think otherwise?

Wasn't that switch because of Hawkeye voting for you? I think someone mentioned that he even claimed some responsibility, though I don't know if his vote was powerful enough to be the only thing in play at the time.

Honestly I'm not really sold on Havok being good. This post gives the best summary of what I find wrong:

Havok wrote: Firstly, I have gone after Shadowcat. I've said on multiple occasions that I thought her initial info dump was fake.

Next, the reason I think Exodus was Gambit and Domino was Mystique is very simple. It goes back to the Exodus lynch. I brought this up right away, and I still 100% believe it to be solid. At the time of Shadowcat's "info drop" and Exodus's subsequent lynch, the Brotherhood was still very strong with no more than 1 member dead. In your assumption (that Exodus was the real Mystique) you must also be assuming that the entire brotherhood decided it was the best course of action to just give up and throw Exodus under the bus. No one tried to help and save Exodus. No one. It was a fairly one sided lynch. I'll ask again, why wouldn't the brotherhood with their large number not save Exodus? If they knew that Exodus was going to show up civvie, why not save their team mate? Or at the very least defend the hell out of him? Why throw someone under the bus if they are going to flip civvie? Literally nothing is gained in this scenario. That lynch ended up 10 votes for Exodus and Sunfire got 3. Exodus actually voted for Shadowcat in that lynch. So, if Exodus really were Mystique, all that team had to do was have Exodus vote for Sunfire to make it 10-4 and then have the other team mates also vote for Sunfire. At least a couple of the Exodus voters had to be Brotherhood, so it wouldn't have been difficult to change the outcome of that lynch. So Sunfire would have been lynched and flipped civvie of course as we would later find out. Where is the risk in that scenario? People would have thought it was an obvious save of Exodus, you say? Even so, what is the risk? If people see that it was a save, they lynch Exodus the next day and guess what? Exodus flips civvie then too. There is absolutely ZERO risk in saving Exodus. So, why wasn't Exodus saved? Because he wasn't Mystique. He was Gambit.

So, then as soon as the lynch post comes up....and I do mean as soon as....Domino rushes in to role claim Gambit and call out Exodus as not really being Gambit. Exactly 8 minutes went by from the time the lynch poll went up to the time that Exodus made her role claim.

So, my theory goes like this. The Brotherhood figures out a way to try to completely take over the game discussion and future lynches. Shadowcat comes into the thread to drop her info and "expose" Exodus. You mention that about why would Shadowcat take that kind of risk when she is pretty damn sure that Exodus would flip civvie? Enter Domino aka Mystique to follow up Shadowcat's info drop with a role claim. That erases any risk Shadowcat would have had if she has someone to back her up like that. "See everyone? My info was correct. Exodus really was bad! The real Gambit is still alive!"

I'm not sure exactly why you have been calling this theory so crazy. If I compare mine to yours, mine looks way more probable than yours. Yours is basically rooted in the belief that the info drops have been completely legit and well intentioned. I don't see it....at all. Your theory assumes that the brotherhood made a terrible, god awful usage of the Mystique role. Mine assumes that the baddies used the Mystique role to it's max potential. I think mine is more likely.

Perhaps I'm biased by having known the truth but from the moment I died I knew Exodus had to be bad. I feel like Havok went to great lengths and put a lot of effort into arguing that this wasn't the case. His theory here (which I know he's since retracted) seems to suggest the entire brotherhood would show their hand immediately to protect their outed teammate, basically giving themselves up to the thread. I think what's more likely is that they just expected people to lynch Shadowcat the next day seeing as Exodus would seem to be a civ. They didn't count on Domino doing what she did because IMO it's just as bad as the original infodump, she pretty much outed herself. It makes absolutely no sense to me for a baddie who hadn't really come under any fire to throw themselves under the bus like that and I don't see why they would. In my opinion he made a lot of stretches in his logic in order to make excuses for Exodus and come up with a situation in which he wasn't the baddie. This is why I voted for him before I died.

Spiral wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Woop! Thanks for the rezz! Hopefully my being back can make a difference. I have a theory actually about something: I think Magneto might be dead. We've lynched a few baddies but never seen his power come into play and I'd think especially this late in the game it should have done at least once. Either he's targeting people that have no impact at all on the lynch or he's not targeting anyone at all.
Do you have an idea for who Magneto was, then?

Not really, it's just something that popped into my head while I was doing the radio earlier. On the other hand, you'd think me of all people would know it's a bad idea to be assuming brotherhood members are dead if it's not confirmed. I have no idea what happened to Sabretooth still, I've thought about it but I keep coming back to the fact he disappeared after killing me and nothing makes sense. Even I'd have probably voted for me based on that case.

Woop! Thanks for the rezz! Hopefully my being back can make a difference. I have a theory actually about something: I think Magneto might be dead. We've lynched a few baddies but never seen his power come into play and I'd think especially this late in the game it should have done at least once. Either he's targeting people that have no impact at all on the lynch or he's not targeting anyone at all.

Hahahahaha. Well played baddies! You guys deserve the win at this point.

I guess I'm dead. Wish I could see the looks on your faces when I'm not Sabretooth.

Havok wrote:Bullzeye: Why in the world are you so sure that Rasputin is a civvie? Because he's backing you? What has he done in this game to show that he's likely civvie? You say you think Shadowcat is likely civvie...and I agree with that, but I think there are more than just her in the likely civvie camp....such as the Polaris voters. You don't think that lynch showed at least that the Polaris voters were likely civvie?

Just vibe really. I don't think he's bad. Is that a problem for you?

I'm sorry, I'm just not buying this defense. It doesn't add up. And then you say that if you are lynched we should be looking at those that are pushing this case on you. Really? The case makes a lot of sense. Sabretooth stopped killing after night 3. You were the only player killed between night 3 and night 5 other than the lynched people. Is it really illogical to see the merit in you being Sabretooth?

The case does make a lot of sense but it's also completely indefensible from and not accurate because I'm not bad. It benefits the baddies to push for my lynch.

I'm probably going to hold on to my vote for now and try to remember to pop back later and use it in the name of self preservation. If I survive tonight I'll be looking at those who've pushed this case the most as I think it's a very easy setup for the baddies. If I die I'd urge civs to do the same.

Longshot wrote:Bullz, I saw the exact same situation in another game and the person when rezzed did not resume their killing because they knew they would be found out. I understand you are not going to sit around defending yourself but if you have time can you tell me if you are not Sabertooth do you have another thought on why the kills stopped when they did?

I have no idea. I thought maybe Sabretooth could have won one of the night polls that changed/augmented someone's power, thereby losing their kill, and Epi allowed Pyro to kill instead. Or perhaps Pyro had his ability altered to be a kill. That would mean it had to be either Mojo or Rasputin though, and both situations are doubtful. Rasputin is one of the few alive I think are civs tbh (along with Shadowcat... quite sure she was telling the truth about Exodus). His idea about it possibly being Cable or Bastion holds some merit I think. I really don't know. I wish I could come out with some ultimate proof of why I'm not Sabretooth but short of outing myself there isn't one.

Mikhail Rasputin wrote: When I first read this, I thought "Damn, that is a really smart theory. Good shit." If true it means Bullz was bad, as was Domino, SC and Exodus were good, and Bullz's kill got redirected to himself. It would make it tough to explain why Domino role claimed Gambit after Exodus' death, though. If that's what happened, she basically got herself killed for no reason.

However, Bullz's defense gives me pause. If he was Sabretooth, why is Pyro still carrying out the kills for the Brotherhood?

Linki: Longshot, you're right that it would be smart not to kill anyone. However, the baddies are still killing people, just Sabretooth isn't doing it.

I dunno, I could see Epi either thinking Sabretooth should have the kill back if rezzed so as to be fair to the civs, or not so as to be fair to the baddies. I feel like Bullz's defense should be valid, but I can't say for sure.

The Domino thing is a good point. If she was bad there was absolutely no reason for her to do what she did. If she and I were on a baddie team when that was proposed I'd have said it was a stupid idea. People who've been bad with me before may have seen me do similar things. Honestly I think I know why the Brotherhood killed me. I think they were worried I'd do what Shadowcat did, as I recall she was pretty quiet up until I died. I became active and they killed me hoping they could count on her staying quiet and not outing Exodus, or killing her before she got the chance. Hawkeye probably saw me as someone who could die off without drawing any attention to him. My playstyle up until I died is exactly what I'd look for in a victim as an indy with a kill.

If I was Sabretooth I'd expect you guys to pick up on the fact that his killings stopped after I died. I'd flat out deny having been Dazzler upon getting rezzed or just not mention it at all. Also I'd have started killing again. As far as I know both the baddies and Hawkeye genuinely decided they wanted me dead at the same time and I had no way to prevent it, so I died at both their hands. Maybe some kind soul redirected a kill in my direction. I don't know. There's not exactly a lot I can say in my own defense here and I don't really have much time to be around tonight, I have other plans that don't involve sitting here fruitlessly defending myself, so if people want me dead then just do it. I'm a very easy setup to get the baddies closer to their win I guess.

I have no idea what happened to Sabretooth but that isn't me. Yeah I was Dazzler. I died and Sabretooth stopped killing, which looks bad. But I came back and Sabretooth still isn't killing. Think of that one?

I have a busy day today (Finalists' Friday - basically a big party to celebrate the fact we've finished uni. Me and some friends are also going to the cinema shortly). I won't be around for the lynch and will try to vote within the next hour or so but if not I'll pop back between 5 and 7 to vote.

Havok wrote: Your vote looked shady to me for two reasons. First, it was very flip floppy on the subject of Polaris. It sounded like you were trying to cover your tracks in preparation for either lynch outcome. If Polaris is lynched, you could say that you didn't trust her. When you add that to the timing of the vote (you tied it up), and it just seems funky to me.

I'm not gonna say I didn't trust her. I didn't, to be fair, but nor did I distrust her. I didn't have a strong opinion about her at all, and if I hadn't voted Spiral at the time I don't know if I'd have voted Polaris instead. So yeah I was flip floppy. I tied it up deliberately (and even said I was doing so) because Spiral's actions seemed suspicious and Polaris hadn't drawn my attention at all. It was a mistake, but at this stage of the game I wouldn't be so blatant about saving a teammate.

And you honestly think that any of the Polaris voters could be team mates??? I don't see that as possible at this stage of the game. I mean, at most, the Brotherhood has 3 players left (assuming Sabertooth is gone and it seems likely since Pyro has taken over the NKs), and like you said it was a strange lynch with very limited discussion. It doesn't make sense to me Polaris's team mates would be chucking him under the bus like that with a lack of any damning evidence.

Do you think they all didn't vote for her? It was only Polaris and Spiral that got any votes yesterday, though four people missed the vote. If no baddies missed the vote and all tried to save Polaris, that'd mean every Spiral voter was bad. Perhaps one or two missed the vote/couldn't vote due to being silenced. Longshot and Shaw could both be bad I suppose, I will be looking at them in a sec anyway. I also want to read through Polaris herself and see if anything interesting comes up in that.

Havok wrote:
White Queen wrote:Well, this is them:

Sebastian Shaw (6), Polaris (7), Bullzeye (8), Longshot (10)
Polaris obviously was a baddie. Of the three left, I think Shaw is bad for sure. Longshot I waffle on, and I am least suspicious of Bullz. This vote was somewhat damning, but one vote is not the only thing, the totality of his game makes me think he is less likely to be bad.
I agree mostly with what you say about Bullz...except that it wasn't just this vote. His vote in the Marrow lynch is suspicious to me as well. At one point Marrow had 2 votes:

Deadpool
3
Phoenix (4), Longshot (7), Shadowcat (9)
27%

Marrow
2
Hawkeye (2), Banshee (5)
18%

Phoenix
4
Sebastian Shaw (3), The Vision (6), Bullzeye (8), Deadpool (10)
36%

So, after Banshee put the 2nd vote on Marrow, Marrow had 2 votes to Deadpool and Phoenix's 1. Then Vision put a 2nd vote on Phoenix and Longshot a 2nd on Deadpool. Then, Bullzeye landed a 3rd vote on Phoenix....putting her ahead of Marrow.

First off, nobody really voted Marrow in her lynch. Was everyone trying to save her? That was my first day back in the game and I'd decided that since I'd been dead for over half the game, perhaps it'd be better to try to find fresh suspicions rather than hold onto the two I had based on the run up to night 3 and immediately after I died. That didn't work out too well for me since I didn't have the time or energy to read through the entire thread properly so I stuck with my vague Phoenix suspicion. I'll happily admit that since she got killed by the baddies I was almost definitely wrong to suspect her and my vote might have been better placed somewhere else.

Add that to Bullzeye's very shady looking vote yesterday, and we might be looking at a rezzed brotherhood.

I'm also interested in revisiting my suspicion of Rasputin today.

Can you explain why my vote is shady? I mean let's not kid ourselves, it's not like there was anything resembling a big case against Polaris. At least two of the votes on her didn't make sense and there was basically no discussion at all. It was essentially a fluke and I wouldn't be surprised if there were baddies among her voters as well trying to distance themselves. With no idea at all of Polaris' allegiance, I saw Spiral make a vote for her based on things I found intriguing and decided to investigate, only to see that they hadn't actually happened. I pointed this out, he admitted to the mistake, but the vote stayed. That looked to me like a lazy attempt to justify a throwaway vote, and made me think Spiral could be bad. So I voted Spiral. If his vote hadn't been for a baddie I bet others would've called him out for it as well.

I'll be looking in several directions today, not just Spiral voters. I probably will look at at least one or two, but Polaris can't have that many teammates left so I doubt they all voted in the same place.

Avalanche wrote:Yeah, Avalanche is pretty sure Bullz is bad too. He voted against Polaris, and then reacted strongly against my "no discussion is good" point.

I didn't see a case against her. No discussion is never a good thing.

For most people, I wouldn't think anything about that, but Bullz is a persuasive and eloquent player.

He is the type to be frustrated when he can't use his tricksy language to sway people to his side - the side of evil.

No I'm not. Nor am I frustrated here.

Spiral wrote:
Bullzeye wrote:Glad to see I was wrong about Polaris Voting Weapon X because it sounds coolest.
Why exactly do you suspect me?

Same question goes to Mikhail and Longshot and Shaw. I expect three actual answers and one that is either silly or nonexistent. I am sick of players throwing my name out there because they think I am an easy target.

I voted you for exactly the reasons I said when I voted. I didn't really find Polaris worth voting for. I thought your vote for her wasn't really based on anything. You accused her of using the Hawkeye lynch to gain civ cred then when this was proven wrong (because bad though she was, she didn't) tried to say you were confusing her with someone else when nobody at all really did that. Even though you admitted your reason for voting may not have been totally accurate you didn't change your vote. That seemed like a lazy baddie move, so you got a vote.

Glad to see I was wrong about Polaris

Voting Weapon X because it sounds coolest.

Avalanche wrote:
Havok wrote: This lynch was just all around lame. Probably the lamest of the game so far with the absolute absence of discussion.
I like an absence of discussion. Less chance of manipulative talk by the bad ones.

Really? No discussion means rushed lynches and less chance of actually catching baddies out. It's not a good thing.

Well looking at the poll today seems to be between Spiral and Polaris. I don't necessarily trust Polaris but nor do I think she's bad, and the votes on her don't seem to have much behind them. Spiral's earlier thing about saying she was trying to claim civ cred then retracting it as 'oh I meant someone else' felt like he knew he'd been called out over a flawed reason for a vote. Notice he stuck with that vote after it was pointed out as well. I don't think anyone tried to claim civ cred over Hawkeye's lynch, nor could they since he's an indy and the baddies wanted him just as dead as we did. I also don't think I understand his big issue with Deadpool. I'm gonna *Vote Spiral* and tie things up.

Glad I haven't missed the deadline even if I'm not sure where I'll vote. Meant to be here all night but then a friend came over to talk about some trouble she's having. Couldn't exactly turn her away. I'm gonna quickly try to figure out who I think is most worthy of a vote...

Mikhail Rasputin wrote: And I think Omega Red is a threat. He has NKs, anyway, and given how few times he's killed, he'd basically be unlynchable by now. Judging by his picture he seems bad-ish. Idk if he can win with us, but I doubt it.

(WORTH NOTING: Omega Red should survive lynches by getting negative votes, so I would think if Shaw were him, for example, the lynch post would not have read as Shaw escaping, but as an attempt on the person with the next-most votes.) This is pure conjecture; what do others think of it?

He isn't someone who we 'must defeat' in the role list, so I would assume we can win with him (that said, so can the baddies). I view him as netural and have no immediate issue with him. As for your second point, I agree. If Shaw were Omega, the next highest vote-getter would die in his place assuming they had more votes than his real amount. Makes sense to me.

Spiral wrote:
Polaris wrote:
Spiral wrote:I am placing a vote on Polaris for now. I do not want to miss the poll. It seems like no one wants to talk today.
Why?
Because I don't think you are civvie. I think you have used the Sentinels lynch as a false form of civvie cred.

Where did this happen? I found your comment interesting so I went through her posts to check but I don't really see it anywhere...

Mikhail Rasputin wrote:We did not! Great discussion to have, imo.

Any ideas on where to start it then? There don't seem to be many role-related reasons to survive a lynch. Did Shaw win any of the night polls? I don't recall.

Polaris wrote:Sorry we had to do it while you were away/silenced Hawkeye, but it had to be done.

Also, this. It's not nice to get lynched when you can't even defend yourself, but sometimes everyone else just doesn't have a choice. He was an obvious threat and we were given an ideal opportunity. Just the way it goes.

Nice work people! Becoming a slave doesn't sound like an awful lot of fun. Since you guys were kind enough to vote me back in, I'll happily volunteer myself to take that potential hit.

Polaris wrote:Good point, I did miss that one.

I'm still looking at everyone else, just in case.

And scratch my numbers, I forgot about the revived players. We've actually got 15 players we would need to get on board, with a possible minimum of 13.

In all honesty I think it'd be a good idea to get a few votes onto someone else just in case. If Magneto hasn't fiddled with Hawkeye's votes today he's missing a trick.

Polaris, when I checked the poll thread I noticed something that meant Hawkeye probably isn't Cyclops. Off the top of my head I don't remember what it was but I did post about it at the time so if you check my history it'll be there.

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