The Syndicate

Made, part of why I was so suspicious of you is because I got at least two separate pieces of info on different nights making you out to be bad. I thought that couldn't possibly be coincidence. One of those actually came on night one and was the only thing that pointed to someone being bad but I didn't want to publish it because I thought it would be mean to do that to you in your first game. Turns out the one I did publish was probably true since you weren't Virtue and Canuck wasn't Curtis. Also looks like the K-Man one I published was totally true as well, yet people were going around saying they were all false :P

Can I just say actually Virtue really deserved this win. The civvies shot ourselves in both feet with the first two lynches (partly my fault going against Sorsha!) and didn't really start to get it together until it was way too late. We got schooled and rightly so. Well played baddies

Enrique wrote:I saw this coming a mile away. Of all the players in the end, DH was so obviously bad

I know right? I would totally have voted for him on the last day if I'd survived. He was just dripping evil. But then I kinda knew Virtue were all over the place anyway. By the way, why did you zealots all want me dead so badly? Obviously the DH 'forcing' was fake but still... Kinda a lot of effort to go to for a glorified gossip role.

I really love my role from this game though. I'd always wanted to have a 'post stuff daily through the host' type role and was genuinely annoyed in Video Game Mafia where I got bandwagoned on day one and never had a chance to use my original role, so that was an extra bit of cool for me. I think the idea of roles tailored to individual players was pretty clever!

Mister Rearranger wrote: He passed the time in the Centre's cafeteria, swiveling around atop a small chair. Spinning, spinning, spinning...then...he stopped. What was that?

Also, that's pretty much what I'd do. If a swivel chair is present and I'm bored, possibly waiting for something, I have no choice but to spin.

Crap. I bet the baddies are loving this. For future reference Made, don't regularly imply you're a baddie if you aren't actually one and don't want to be lynched . The idea of him being civ never even entered my mind tbh. I was convinced he was Virtue but now I'm starting to doubt a few things. Not that it matters, game will probably be over soon.

DharmaHelper wrote: You'll have to take my word for it.

Or.... we could not and I could let that shady claim feed into my ever-growing doubts about you.

I know I came up with a theory to explain how you could also be forced on the same day as me but now I doubt it. If you were Virtue and knew I'd been forced to make a stand against someone who was quite trusted within the thread, with the intent that I get lynched because of it, it'd be easy for you to try to start that bandwagon and then claim you'd been forced if it didn't take off (or even if it did and I'd taken the curse seriously).

DharmaHelper wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone confirm the Harbor voters? I know I was one but other than that I'm not sure. I can look it up later when I'm not multitasking though if no one else gets around to it.

DH voted Harbour. He initially voted something else but a glance through his post history shows he changed to harbour at the last minute.

I changed back.

Really? You never mentioned it so that's completely unverifiable unless someone has a screenshot of the results or something.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Can someone confirm the Harbor voters? I know I was one but other than that I'm not sure. I can look it up later when I'm not multitasking though if no one else gets around to it.

DH voted Harbour. He initially voted something else but a glance through his post history shows he changed to harbour at the last minute.

It's mostly based on his reaction to my curse and the fact he's the only (non-forced) person who voted for me. I feel like Virtue had tried to set me up for a lynch with the Dana thing and it just didn't work out. So by that logic Made has to be Virtue. He also didn't originally vote for me because of any suspicion he held but then claimed I'd 'lessened' his suspicion. Which just doesn't make sense.

Really, MP? I'm practically convinced he's part of Virtue.

Haha, so nobody died after all. I'm going to vote Made. I've already explained and discussed why, don't see much point in going over it all again.

thellama73 wrote:Why is everyone so quick to believe that Made is the host of every game?

Turns out if you come into a thread and start acting like the host, people will just assume you are. Use this information wisely.

Made wrote:

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Made wrote:My entire strategy for the Monty python game was dependant on this game ending first.

please note I don't know my role there yet, so this probably isn't considered btsc

I don't think anyone does yet, do they? :P

pretty sure we could of asked svs for our roles, also dp just returned

ignore my second comment, SHE IS NOT HOST/MOD

We could have asked her anyway. She might not have been able to help at all, but we still could have asked. I could go ask a random stranger on the street for my role but they wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about. I could still do it.

Made wrote:My entire strategy for the Monty python game was dependant on this game ending first.

please note I don't know my role there yet, so this probably isn't considered btsc

I don't think anyone does yet, do they? :P

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: I suppose you would know :P

Imminent death does that to people

Tony, try me. Please, please try me. Don't kill me you'll regret it, I promise you.

Tony knows you're gonna get lynched next. If he does kill you it could be him instead.

But when village kills me and I show up civvie, Tony will be obvious and killed by virtue night 6.( I don't care if you don't believe im civvie, but you can publicly denounce me if you'd like, hell, do it, keeps the civvies alive.)[/quote

If Tony is so obvious Virtue won't kill him, they'll let him get lynched so they don't have to.

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote: I suppose you would know :P

Imminent death does that to people

Tony, try me. Please, please try me. Don't kill me you'll regret it, I promise you.

Tony knows you're gonna get lynched next. If he does kill you it could be him instead.

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I have reason to believe I've been NKed tonight, so hopefully the civs can pull through anyway.

You won't be doe.

I'm not just guessing. There's a reason I can't share that leads me to believe I'm dead.

I'm not just guessing either.

Tony if you don't kill me tonight you will be dead by night 6.

I suppose you would know :P

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I have reason to believe I've been NKed tonight, so hopefully the civs can pull through anyway.

You won't be doe.

I'm not just guessing. There's a reason I can't share that leads me to believe I'm dead.

I have reason to believe I've been NKed tonight, so hopefully the civs can pull through anyway. I'd really like to know after the game what it is I did to make the baddies treat me like such a big deal tbh. You guys should almost definitely lynch Made tomorrow, I don't see any way he can possibly be a civ after everything that has happened so far. After that I don't know. There probably aren't more than two or three civs left so it might not even matter.

I assume MR would have told us if a baddie team had been eliminated. That usually happens. So I'm assuming SVS was civ already.

What gives you that idea?

MR has confirmed that I can tell you all I won a one-time survival (from either a lynch or NK) from my day 1 challenge vs Epi wherein we had to begin our posts with consecutive letters of the alphabet.

DharmaHelper wrote:To me, a team doesn't up and blow their load like that unless they're sure they have a win in sight. And the only way I can see Team Virtue picking Bullz to target and work so hard to lynch him would be if they thought Bullz was Tony, and killing him would give them control over who dies at night?

I dunno. Switching the lynch away from Made seems like it could be a baddie save.

But why would they think that and why wouldn't they just NK me?

I definitely think Made is bad. I see no other explanation. Notice he never answered me asking why he now claims to be suspicious of me despite initially saying he only voted me because you did.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay, well, I look forward to reading what DH has to bring to the table as well, but I'm currently thinking

1. Made
2. Blooper
3. Keterman

I guess? For most likely baddies remaining. I just hope I'm not being hoodwinked here. And that list is subject to change. But I need to trust my brain and not my paranoia, and my brain says occam's razor comes into play for at least two of Bullz, DH, and Dana, if not all three. I suppose I just never expected two force roles.

Bullz, how strongly do you feel about your particular reason for DH's penciled in civ role? I just want to make sure this doesn't cloud judgment.

I would say I'm about 80-85% convinced. Yesterday's shenanigans threw me a bit but I made a post last night about how I think it can be okay for their to be two forcing type roles. Virtue are all about forcing people to do things they don't want to do and controlling people's lives.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:I don't think Dana is bad MP. Why do you?

Well, my suspicion of her goes back to the fact that she played the noob card for most of the game, and that my interpretation of her actions is that she seems ingenuine, but her responses have often seemed genuine... so I'd like to think she's civvie, but process of elimination really at this point?

I'm really torn on DH; I was convinced he was bad yesterday, but I don't know. It's just hard to ignore my civ read on him most of the game.

Pretty much process of elimination...

I guess Keterman could be bad though.

I really don't know at this point, lol, but Dana and Blooper were my two best guesses.

I've actually spent most of this game thinking Dana seemed sincere and civ-like. I thought others shared that view, which is why I would have been cursed to go after her. To be honest, for the final civ I'm torn between you and DH. Both of you have good and bad points. Like I said yesterday, I do have some reason to believe DH might be a particular civ but I could be very wrong. Bear in mind it's possible for a fourth civ to exist as well.

Linki - not lying, almost definitely marked for death I had been hoping to win this as well. I will try to share as many of my thoughts as I can until then.

I don't think Dana is bad MP. Why do you?

Made wrote:How many civvie/virtue do you think alive?

Also gtg, study hall ends, be back around 3est. Doesn't mean crap, but your arguements are at least more legit than squid, mp, and ketterman's

I think there are at least three civs, plus Tony. Leaving three spots left. Something tells me Nathan might still be alive (the whole immortal thing...) so if he does have his real power here, and the roles page is vague about it, then there could only be two Virtue left. Otherwise they're all still here and it's 3 v 3 v 1.

Made wrote:

DharmaHelper wrote:My thought is that it is end game scenario, and maybe the baddies over at Virtue decided to fire with both barrels, curses, secret powers, etc, to try and get anyone BUT them lynched.

Using this logic, if Tony doesn't kill virtue, Virtue might win.

They still have to kill him. Until Virtue outnumber everyone else and there's no chance anyone else could stop them, we have a chance to beat both baddie teams.

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:What I'd really like to know is why Virtue suddenly got all keen on killing me. I didn't think I'd done anything to offend them but maybe they just thought I'd be an easy scapegoat or something?

Why virtue and not Tony?

Because it's Virtue Girl (Rachel) who can influence a player's actions. That is presumably what they did to me. The curse was clearly designed to get suspicion on me and get a civ lynched. This is also shown in their forcing DH to vote me. Then you followed, presumably hoping others would. When that fell through the lynch was switched to me and my one time protect saved me.

Made wrote:Also my theory:

A civvie believed me and changed the lynch to you on my word.

Which civvie might that be? Nobody in the thread seems to believe you. The only person who didn't vote for you says he didn't get to choose who to vote for.

Another possibility is mafia might of switched it think they can use me to delfect suspicion.

Both of these theories lower my suspicion of you, the latter far more than the former. Not sure which is more likely tho.

I don't see a baddie team even in a position like this throwing away a switch on a non-teammate. It wouldn't happen.
Why exactly do you have suspicion of me anyway? You originally said you only voted me because DH did, and DH is saying he was forced and not actually suspicious of me.

What I'd really like to know is why Virtue suddenly got all keen on killing me. I didn't think I'd done anything to offend them but maybe they just thought I'd be an easy scapegoat or something?

Made wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
Interesting.

Considering Made doesn't seem to be even trying any more, I agree with the last statement.

Wrong. I'm just trying my hardest to remain calm, as being outspoken and hostile is grounds for suspicion. Fanned if I do, damned if I don't I suppose.

Also in the interest of winning this game: This is the first night I know I won't die. Mafia will try to kill me during the day using my suspicion from last night. You guys(mafia) might watch out tho, you'd be surprised how fast popular opinion can change, people will only believe so many curses.

I would be incredibly surprised if the baddies try to kill you. Tony needs you alive so he can skate by another lynch. The amount of heat on you right now is nuclear, a baddie would be stupid to kill you. Are you seriously trying to imply my curse was faked? Go back and read those posts then compare them to every other one I've ever made.

What is your theory?

I wish I still had my protection. I expect I'll die tonight now!

My survival wasn't role-related. I can say that much at least.

Made, do you know why the lynch was switched?

In a way I suppose it's better someone blew a lynch switch on me. That would have been terrible for us if they'd used it on another civ who wasn't as lucky as me.

Yep. I will ask MR before I share the reason, but I will say that part of why I didn't take my curse so seriously is that I'd hoped to goad Virtue into killing me for not playing it straight, thereby wasting their kill and giving the civvies a chance to keep on. This switch has scuppered my plan but it's also confirmed to me that Made is bad news.

So I'm guessing someone switched the lynch to me? Haha, nice try baddies.

Made wrote:A force vote and a curse the same, i'll be damned....

If it makes you feel any better I think you're personally responsible for both.

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:
Right now I think Dana is bad. If I had to rank the living players in order of my suspicion against them it'd be:

1. Dana
2. Dana
3. Dana
4. Dana
5. Dana
6. Dana
7. Dana
8. Dana
9. Dana
10. Dana
11. Everyone else
190. Me

In case you forgot.

So I'm probably walking a fine line here but do you really think those ten (interesting round number) posts were serious? Also look at the emphasis on right now. I wonder what that could mean.

You don't suspect dana then? I mean, even MP suspected dana.

I don't know if I'm allowed to answer that question honestly right now.

Made wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:
Right now I think Dana is bad. If I had to rank the living players in order of my suspicion against them it'd be:

1. Dana
2. Dana
3. Dana
4. Dana
5. Dana
6. Dana
7. Dana
8. Dana
9. Dana
10. Dana
11. Everyone else
190. Me

In case you forgot.

So I'm probably walking a fine line here but do you really think those ten (interesting round number) posts were serious? Also look at the emphasis on right now. I wonder what that could mean.

DharmaHelper wrote:Did you guys know that due to a very rare genetic mutation, there are aprox. 1.4 million grey sheep in the world that are unable to be sheered?

I didn't know this for a fact, but living so close to Wales I've often wondered if there were any mutant sheep prowling the hills.

Made wrote:He never said he was forced.

No, he was quite careful about not explicitly saying it.

DharmaHelper wrote:I dunno what's going on but this is literally the worst possible day for me to have voted so early.

Yet you say you were forced so it shouldn't matter when you voted right?

Made wrote:

Made wrote:Fuck it, i can't die..... posting lyric interpretations...


Dana, I really hope you know how cocky i can get. I thought Civvies won, so i turned into a smart talking jackass.

Also before i post the lyrics, The reason I told you to trust SVS right before day time was because I thought she could be trusted to piece the remainder of the game together with DH, and that i was dead.

If you flip bad I'm going to think you've been trying to set DH up. You keep mentioning him like you're trying to build this big obvious connection between the pair of you.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I feel comfortable with my Made vote.

Likewise.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Why Made? Just want to know your thought process.

Wow linki

A number of things. His general behaviour throughout, I felt like initially the gangster speak might be to hide or fly by as a 'zany' poster. Most people know how I tend to feel about the attitude of 'a baddie would never act that way, it'd draw too much attention'. His latching onto DH's vote today, and also several posts of his seem like he's outright claiming to be bad.

MovingPictures07 wrote: Games almost NEVER have two force voters, let alone one.

Having spent all of about three minutes thinking about it I can almost see how it might happen. Rachel has the even night ability of 'forcing others to behave how she wants'. She also has a secret and so does Liam. In the show Rachel's power is basically that she can convince people of/to do literally anything and she uses this to build up basically a cult of 'good' people who don't engage in behaviours she finds objectionable. I could see her or Liam having the secret ability to force a vote.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

I will say I'm very shocked by DH. It makes me question something I thought I'd figured out for sure that meant he was definitely a civ.

Linki - really. It's really happening.

I'm shocked too. I mean, I know DH has an amazing baddie game, but I was leaning civvie on him. I just can't see how his move makes him a civvie though. I really can't. It's definitely a power play.

Are we voting for DH or Made? (or Blooper or Keterman)?

I would rather vote Made, personally. As far as DH goes I did discover something (without going into too much detail) that would make him a civ. I don't see any other way around that, so I'd rather give myself time to weigh that up against this.

Made wrote:Dh, before you're suspicious of me further, please read at least some of the stuff i've typed while you were afk.

Omg this is happening..... if i may have a chance to defend myself before votes are directed towards me?

Yeah, thanks for that one

MovingPictures07 wrote:Does anyone think it's possible that the baddie team with three members has still all three members alive? If so, it's possible DH and Made are two of those members and making a power play.

I will say I'm very shocked by DH. It makes me question something I thought I'd figured out for sure that meant he was definitely a civ.

Linki - really. It's really happening.