The Syndicate

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:00 pm i guess most of that wall looks like busywork to me, alison. and i dont understand where pao's policy elims came from

again, i dont think i even know this person, why am i a policy?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 pm ok im caught up. have slight v feels on nut and alison

feel pretty sure belzy is V

wish MR were funnier this game

wanna know what the deal is with paopan's policy stuff since I dont even know them

wanna know what the read on LP is for

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:05 pm I agree with Alison that pao is more likely town but it's more because of the sheer weirdness of their posts yknow

sheer weirdness is not townie if you've met Grogu from Spiderverse which you have

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:09 pm fwiw, i outed those takes as i was catching up so like...I didnt see that they were consensus reads until i read more?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 3:41 pm Someone have a red on me? I feel left out.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 6:10 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:36 pm A shot rings out!

@Marmot has died! They flip MAFIA! They reveal as:

Overachieving Student Who Replies to Quiz Questions on Discord by Uploading an External Word Document

You’re a two shot tracker. Also kind of a nerd, I guess. Anyways, twice during the game you can target a player at night at see who they visit, if anyone.

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@ 112
@ alexa
@ Alison
@ Belzy
@ BoKnows
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Scotty
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:26 pm A shot rings out!

@scotty has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Vanilla Town

Man, can you imagine how much it must suck to play a high power role madness game and not get a cool role? Haha, yeah. Anyways, you're vanilla town, good luck.

Day continues!

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@ 112
@ alexa
@ Alison
@ Belzy
@ BoKnows
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:43 pm

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:43 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:41 pmyou're welcome

You shot Marmot or?

ye

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:36 pm @nutella @alexa you ok if dizzy/MR die?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

I think you are.

I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying

These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm

112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo

Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:54 am Flipping creature to determine if nutella has good reads or not this game

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:59 am Also this is a secret read we can use later but I do think dya could have loyal hellbus vigged marmot for cred because he was always going down early anyway, they have been wolfy or null at best otherwise and tried to tell me creature got towny when he didn't

LOYAL GODFATHER DAYVIG

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:05 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:03 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:02 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:59 am Also this is a secret read we can use later but I do think dya could have loyal hellbus vigged marmot for cred because he was always going down early anyway, they have been wolfy or null at best otherwise and tried to tell me creature got towny when he didn't

LOYAL GODFATHER DAYVIG

Yeah exactly

That was 2020 though and more realistically dya who literally cannot play this game long enough to go deep can’t be claiming those shots, right?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:40 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:06 am Re: Mac

(I'm probably not going to articulate this as well as I intend to.)

I cracked open some games in the last year I've played with him to double check my feelings (Witcher, Spiderverse, GoC). Mac is known for being abrasive, in yo face, etc as both alignments (where others poke he punches), but I've found there's a slightly different taste to it depending on his alignment. As town he will do his little shtick of quoting a post and being like 'this smells like poop' and then call them scum 20 times for the rest of the round. But he also evolves his reads. Like he gets a light ping by someone, and starts bopping their noses, but then if they get townier he stops and something else pings him and he finds a new punching bag. Along the way he still backreads and analyses and builds cases to confirm or challenge his own reads.

Conversely, scum!Mac mimics that. He remembers to be abrasive and punchy, but he gets caught in a fake worldview for longer and finds it harder to evolve his reads convincingly. He'll take a post that fake-pings him and stick to that read for a long time. He also often forgets to do any actual work to back up his takes. His posts tend to be much shorter and more to the point. If his thread position is secure as the game goes on this can change, and he can start manipulating events to his will, but early on and if people aren't convinced of him he just tries to double down and become more of a bulldozer. (This is exactly what he's doing to me now that I've sussed him.) (FYI he's also not adverse to throwing shade at a partner and even pushing others to vote them, so a one-off suss of Marmot earlier is not clearing in the slightest.)


I am in no way 100% convinced he's scum here (I never am with Mac) but his game so far fits my view of his scum game far more than his town game.

I agree with this account. There's no backbone to Mac's worldview when he's scum. He also never really lands anything. I'm going to reread Mac to see how I feel and also how he treated Marmot. I think his vote was on Marmot when he got shot, but don't remember how he got there.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:33 am Does anyone town read me? lol. It's like someone says a read on me, and then everyone has that read. It pretty much happens every game. If the game has enough of the right people in it, the read will be scum. It's very predictable. Not to be all boss bitch, but I haven't lost a game I was mafia in for years. And now everyone thinks they know how to read me and how I work. Oh yes, must be obvious scum. I mean, it's fine. But if I'm right about my strongest town reads and they scum read me back, maybe remember that for next game this time? Thanks for coming to my self pity ted talk.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:36 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 7:33 am Does anyone town read me? lol. It's like someone says a read on me, and then everyone has that read. It pretty much happens every game. If the game has enough of the right people in it, the read will be scum. It's very predictable. Not to be all boss bitch, but I haven't lost a game I was mafia in for years. And now everyone thinks they know how to read me and how I work. Oh yes, must be obvious scum. I mean, it's fine. But if I'm right about my strongest town reads and they scum read me back, maybe remember that for next game this time? Thanks for coming to my self pity ted talk.

Was wondering when this point would come up. Hmm

his whole series of posting to me these past 2 pages felt very philo mafia 2 to me

and like, i have a ton of respect for dizzy's scum game and i know he'd be capable of that as mafia but the emotions in practice, i hadn't seen to the same degree in his scum games i'd read

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 11:01 am Going over ISOs only to get more unclear about people. I love that for me.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:38 pm someone tell me why they think MR is village. he's so flat this game

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:06 am Re: Mac

(I'm probably not going to articulate this as well as I intend to.)

I cracked open some games in the last year I've played with him to double check my feelings (Witcher, Spiderverse, GoC). Mac is known for being abrasive, in yo face, etc as both alignments (where others poke he punches), but I've found there's a slightly different taste to it depending on his alignment. As town he will do his little shtick of quoting a post and being like 'this smells like poop' and then call them scum 20 times for the rest of the round. But he also evolves his reads. Like he gets a light ping by someone, and starts bopping their noses, but then if they get townier he stops and something else pings him and he finds a new punching bag. Along the way he still backreads and analyses and builds cases to confirm or challenge his own reads.

Conversely, scum!Mac mimics that. He remembers to be abrasive and punchy, but he gets caught in a fake worldview for longer and finds it harder to evolve his reads convincingly. He'll take a post that fake-pings him and stick to that read for a long time. He also often forgets to do any actual work to back up his takes. His posts tend to be much shorter and more to the point. If his thread position is secure as the game goes on this can change, and he can start manipulating events to his will, but early on and if people aren't convinced of him he just tries to double down and become more of a bulldozer. (This is exactly what he's doing to me now that I've sussed him.) (FYI he's also not adverse to throwing shade at a partner and even pushing others to vote them, so a one-off suss of Marmot earlier is not clearing in the slightest.)


I am in no way 100% convinced he's scum here (I never am with Mac) but his game so far fits my view of his scum game far more than his town game.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:07 am Having made the terrible mistake of writing many words about a D1 read, I now look forward to being wrong and forever doubting my ability to read Mac in future games.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:09 pm I probably won't be able to check in again on the thread. I have a red check on Alison, I suggest we kill her tomorrow.

I'm not going to go into my reasoning on any of this, I can't play today... So I won't be saying anything more on the matter.

See y'all tomorrow (maybe).

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:15 pm i sort of would rather kill NAA than alison because if alison is a villager then she's a terrible shot and i had a townread on her

but also if he's claiming that PR he's a terrible shot too