The Syndicate

idk about shooting rn though

[VOTE: notanaxehole] aubergine

ftr i was already considering voting him before this because i townread a lot of other people and don't really remember anything from him and feel like he'd have more thread presence as town

and now i am voting with creature, fun fun

lol if alison pocketed me and i laughed off everyone saying her creature case was wolfy

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:20 pm She ideally won't have had the opportunity to fully refute this due to time zones.

b r u h

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:21 pm he's not serious this is all nonsense etc etc

i think it's serious

naa can you explain why you don't think we should kill alison today? are you insinuating there's a negative effect from killing her, does she bomb/vengeful or something

also naa if we flip you would your role flip confirm that your info claim is legit

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:26 pm i like MR's posts on Mac. i think he could be a wolf

I am fairly confident they're t/t

Actually flipped back to being more confident on mac town than radishes but still both

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:31 pm Listen, I don't even think that Alison is a particularly bad kill today, I won't explain the disclaimers.

Part of me doesn't want Alison to get mad at me for railroading her on timezones. You might ask... Well, why are you railroading her on a timezone differential then when you could have done it earlier? I didn't say I didn't want to railroad her, I said I didn't want her to be upset over it.

Also, I'm not claiming responsibility for anything that follows. @nutella my flip will do nothing for you.

humph

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff
Spoiler: show

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games
I think you are.
I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying
These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning
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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo
Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

How is this ever not wolf to town

alison actually might be wolf

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:00 pm Good soup...

lol

idk whats gonna happen gl

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:02 pm That was glaringly fake

Not to shit talk but that was glaringly fake and I thought you were just trying to scare Axe into shutting up so I didn't interfere

okay so you ARE a wolf with tmi, cool

@ilario yeah, i figured it out o/\o

That pretty heavily sucks

I wish I had said, losing town alison is losing a lot more value than if we shoot NAA first to see if hes for real, NAA is worthless to us

Losing town KP alison is even worse

Oh it's loyal kp interesting

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:02 pm That was glaringly fake

Not to shit talk but that was glaringly fake and I thought you were just trying to scare Axe into shutting up so I didn't interfere
okay so you ARE a wolf with tmi, cool

@ilario yeah, i figured it out o/\o
Are you serious

Yes

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:05 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:03 pm A shot was fired!

@Alison has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Ra’s al Ghul

You are a JOAT! You have three different one shot abilities:

1x tracker: target a player at night and learn who they visit, if anyone.
1x vanilla cop: target a player at night and learn if they are vanilla or not (goon will also scan as vanilla)
1x loyal poison: target a player at night to poison them. The player poisoned will be announced at SOD. If they are town, they will die at EOD. If they are mafia, they will not die at EOD.
Day continues!

Spoiler: show
@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

FUCK

OK DIE NAA

HOW THE HECK WAS THAT GLARINGLY FAKE?
Because I said repeatedly don't shoot, I wanted Alison to make day 2 and I was mechanically locked into a corner until Alison did something.

But..... you gonna explain the red check or nah

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:09 pm People have discussed Axe having a history of faking reds D1

Tbf I had no knowledge of this

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:05 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:03 pm A shot was fired!

@Alison has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Ra’s al Ghul

You are a JOAT! You have three different one shot abilities:

1x tracker: target a player at night and learn who they visit, if anyone.
1x vanilla cop: target a player at night and learn if they are vanilla or not (goon will also scan as vanilla)
1x loyal poison: target a player at night to poison them. The player poisoned will be announced at SOD. If they are town, they will die at EOD. If they are mafia, they will not die at EOD.
Day continues!

Spoiler: show
@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

FUCK

OK DIE NAA

HOW THE HECK WAS THAT GLARINGLY FAKE?
Because I said repeatedly don't shoot, I wanted Alison to make day 2 and I was mechanically locked into a corner until Alison did something.
But..... you gonna explain the red check or nah
I'll do my best ... But I literally cannot.

I think I have to rescind my red check on Alison.

I have a red check, and I'll tell you who it's on shortly.

Lmao

Okay so he's claiming he's required to fake redchecks

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm Okay so he's claiming he's required to fake redchecks
naa rolled naa

Yeah

NAA if this is true and you were able to choose who to redcheck, you absolutely shouldn't have gone for alison, losing her was pretty goddamn bad

Nook is laughing so hard rn

I'm afraid that I'm right and he's actually a town role but if so it's a garbage role and he hasn't been towny and other people have so probably still the optimal chop rn

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:13 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm Okay so he's claiming he's required to fake redchecks
naa rolled naa
Yeah

NAA if this is true and you were able to choose who to redcheck, you absolutely shouldn't have gone for alison, losing her was pretty goddamn bad
You know what, you might be right, part of my thought process was that no one would shoot Alison in that situation.

Sigh

Why not go for like lhf or someone we were gonna shoot anyway though

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:16 pm Why not go for like lhf or someone we were gonna shoot anyway though
Because if they got shot I'd need to pick someone else anyway.

Right but then we'd understand what was happening. If we hit an actual wolf with the first one maybe we'd keep listening to you but it would still be weird to suddenly say you had another. Like just use the first one on someone who isn't such an impactful slot to lose.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:20 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:18 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:17 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:16 pm Why not go for like lhf or someone we were gonna shoot anyway though
Because if they got shot I'd need to pick someone else anyway.
Right but then we'd understand what was happening. If we hit an actual wolf with the first one maybe we'd keep listening to you but it would still be weird to suddenly say you had another. Like just use the first one on someone who isn't such an impactful slot to lose.
Yeah, when Alexa got serious I got pretty nervous, I expected to be alive on D2 and Alison to also be alive, no harm done.

Ugh

This fucking sucks

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:23 pm nutella i don't think a role existing required to fake red checks makes sense? has that occurred non-bastard on the syndicate before?

I have no clue like what game it would be from or whatever but nanook does wild shit and literally all of NAA's posts on the last page are insinuating I am correct about this so

Like he straight up said he'd have to pick another target

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:24 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:23 pm One thing I'll say, in hindsight, Nutella is right - my pick was bad. My mistake was assuming Alexa wouldn't shoot Alison.
It makes no sense you assumed she wouldn't shoot. Alexa was very clear that's what she was going to do if you didn't rescind

After he claimed the red though, and he couldn't go back

I don't strongly object to votes on like any of the people creature brought up

Also don't object to votes on creature lul

How about falcon

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:28 pm Creature is likely V but i'll consider Alison's points.

Tbh we'll never know if she would still scumread him now

I think he has improved some but I still have concerns

alexa idk what game it would be based on but there probably is something that at least roughly makes sense to base it on in nanookbrain

idk he's fully convinced me i'm on the right track, i still think it was awful he went for alison and maybe he could still be mafia anyway

i won't really complain if he dies but i think he's probably town

I also think wilgy is probably town but I won't fight it

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:41 pm ok this is pointless to fight over. just policy NAA, he's probably mafia and if he's town he will lose us the game + it's what alison wanted

i just disagree but i don't really have a strong opinion on who *to* chop today. i don't have a confident hit elsewhere but i don't think it should be him

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:04 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:03 pm I still believe NAA might just flip town and we're going tonight with 5 town dead and only one wolf dead. Would much rather we try to lynch wolf today to make up for the losses.
if he's town he has the most anti-town role in history. i don't believe Nook would give town a role that involves faking red checks in a non-bastard game.

It's really not that anti town it's just bad he picked alison

If he'd picked someone we were going to shoot anyway it'd be fine

And either way we'd realize sooner or later he kept doing it and we just know now not to listen to him

I think you're overthinking it and he's town

Yeah it turns out creature is the one I'm agreeing with the most now

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:23 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:20 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:19 pm It's not the first time NAA fakes a red check and never rescinds only to backfire on us and the worse part is that he does it as town.

My vote is strictly policy. He needs to be chopped on day 1 in every game until he learns.

[VOTE: NotAnAxehole] aubergine
lmao, if this is the case why are people arguing that he has a role that requires him to do it?
I dont know why Nutella said he's never done it, that is strange from her and a blatant lie.

NotAnAxehole does this, he fakes reds and dont rescind and throws games, he is a walking negative utility and tjose advocating to leave him in the game any further either love the game being trolled or are scum trying to use him to seed as much chaos as possible.

Im parking

it's not a lie i wasn't in the atla game and haven't seen it before, and he has given me every reason to believe i'm right about it being his role/required

and no. this is bad. i do not policy lynch. i just don't. if i think someone is town i keep them alive for numbers and prefer to vote off scum, always. we need to kill a wolf today. so kindly buzz off with this suboptimal bs

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:25 pm Also Alexa is sus for having the chance yo clear herself by shooting me when she has been throwing shade at me before my hard claim is sus as hell.

I think Alexa is a wolf and NAA is just a thrower, sadly.

i am so very tempted to say something i shouldn't say

these are extremely bad takes

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:30 pm Ive seen NAA play as a wolf, he never takes risks like this as a wolf… he actually kind of dims down. So im certain he is town scum siding again.

Dude if you think he's town get your damn vote off him or who's scumsiding then

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:34 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:33 pm All scum are lurking is my guess and have not had takes on this nonsense
I suppose some of them came in to make useless commentary, probably falling more to the TMIish side.

yeah like c4

I genuinely think c4 is deep wolfing but I don't expect anyone to care for several days

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 5:48 pm This vc is lmfao (derogatory)

[VOTE: c4] aubergine

since i dont have strong feelings about todays chop i will just vote who i think is a wolf : )))))))))))))))))))))

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:02 pm Ok, guess day is in 1 hour. Still would much rather Ender over NAA. Ender's been on and off Town or scum and NAAs' reaction to Alexa's shot doesn't seem like scum NAA.

generally agree with this

[VOTE: ender] aubergine

not really my preference bc i think ender has had towny moments but here for now if it's gonna be between those

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 6:04 pm nut, I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record saying this, but that's because it keeps happening.

You need to find a way to read me that isn't "c4 is town because his posts are towny, until he says something I disagree with, at which point he's a TMIing wolf". It would be understandable if that had literally ever worked on v!me, but it hasn't. Dumb tinfoils like this would be more understandable if they were on someone who's actually a good wolf, but I don't know what could possibly make you think I am. My best wolf game ever is the one where I spent entire cycles shitposting and 20-posted in F3.

If it is in fact the redcheck thing you're hanging onto, I don't even need to say how dumb calling that TMIey is.

This is probably the most I'll talk about this one thing today for everyone's sanity.

it's not even all things i've disagreed with you on

youve given reads that i agree with but that you gave in a way that looked to me like tmi

i dont feel like pursuing this in a detailed manner atm though

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