The Syndicate

I strongly encourage everyone to reread my exchange with golden from this morning. His case on me is based in crap and I think I caught some mistakes he made.

Epi I found some dirt on Golden. What do you think of his weird "if enri flips bad I guess TH is town" thing? And the possibility that he killed speed to make me look bad and/or make him look better?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:25 pm I think we all know what I mean by "highly"

Too bad it's Monday or I'd be right there with you capn

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:14 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm So mafia is either Golden/DH or nutella/TH, with Epi fitting any slot on those teams.

Am I getting something right

I can easily see golden/epi or yes golden/DH or DH/you. DH/epi is much less likely.

I just reread your breakdown of epi/enri and skimmed Epi's iso, and I still gut lean town on epi from that skim. It's possible especially with golden, but I'm feeling worse about DH atm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:47 pm I am happy with my vote on DH. Epi is closer to tinfoil zone atm.

Zoinks scoob.

Yeah I changed my mind. Happens.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:11 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:10 pm I'm asking if you're on board so I'll know if I switch my vote I'm not just ensuring my own lynch.

I'm saying why would I do that.

Because you don't want to get lynched and because golden is bad and I'm town.

Fuck it. Join me or not but remember this when I flip civ. [VOTE: golden] aubergine

I'm asking if you're on board so I'll know if I switch my vote I'm not just ensuring my own lynch.

Please be serious. I want to vote for golden more than I want to vote for you now but I need you to take a leap of faith and join me.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:57 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:56 pm Idk how to respond to ignorance

If anyone wants to lynch TH if he fips civ I'll go ahead and lynch myself next.

TH is town. You were even in the yun qui thread when I mentioned something that near certainly proves it.

How do you feel about golden? Answer a certain way and I might move my vote off you.

I am happy with my vote on DH. Epi is closer to tinfoil zone atm.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:40 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm So mafia is either Golden/DH or nutella/TH, with Epi fitting any slot on those teams.

Am I getting something right

I can easily see golden/epi or yes golden/DH or DH/you. DH/epi is much less likely.

I just reread your breakdown of epi/enri and skimmed Epi's iso, and I still gut lean town on epi from that skim. It's possible especially with golden, but I'm feeling worse about DH atm

Oh yeah that's true I proved above DH/Epi is impossible.

Ok should be, unless Enrique was playing like crazy.

Hm ok I already forgot what that evidence was but I believe you

Enrique praised both DH and Epi like gods all game.

I mean I could see him doing that with one person but half his teams?

Right yeah I did buy that. There was definitely some buddying going on.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:40 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:49 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:33 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:29 pm hmmm publicly claim to buy the nk protect then kill a guy on the other crew hmmm hmhmhmhmhmhmmhmmmmmmm

The mafia don't even know whether I actually activated the protection last night. I claimed that I did but maybe I didn't.

Girl what the hell stfu

Now they'll shoot the bonnie mac again

Maybe so. Anyway I've learned from this that I should shut my mouth and that DH and/or epi are likely to be bad.

The alternative is that Golden killed speed to make me look bad. And/or to make me suspect him less since he seemed to think my suspicion of him was so tied to speed being his teammate.

Or both, if golden is bad with DH or epi and the confluence was convenient for them.

DH or epi could also be bad with ddl though if I'm wrong about golden. I'm not sure what I think yet but I'm feeling [VOTE: dharmahelper] aubergine at least until I look more into Epi.

"Or maybe anyone could be bad."

Yeah, feels kinda bad man but I've got a big poe pool left.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:37 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm So mafia is either Golden/DH or nutella/TH, with Epi fitting any slot on those teams.

Am I getting something right

I can easily see golden/epi or yes golden/DH or DH/you. DH/epi is much less likely.

I just reread your breakdown of epi/enri and skimmed Epi's iso, and I still gut lean town on epi from that skim. It's possible especially with golden, but I'm feeling worse about DH atm

Oh yeah that's true I proved above DH/Epi is impossible.

Ok should be, unless Enrique was playing like crazy.

Hm ok I already forgot what that evidence was but I believe you

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:37 pm Right now I'm kind of wanting to lynch Epi because he's the only one who fits every team combination.

Oh maybe he fits with DH I'm not sure how I'd calculate that. I am confident it can't be you/ epi though lol.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:31 pm Is nutella/Golden possible at this point either? Are we in some crazy bussing universe?

No but that would be fucking amazing

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:30 pm So mafia is either Golden/DH or nutella/TH, with Epi fitting any slot on those teams.

Am I getting something right

I can easily see golden/epi or yes golden/DH or DH/you. DH/epi is much less likely.

I just reread your breakdown of epi/enri and skimmed Epi's iso, and I still gut lean town on epi from that skim. It's possible especially with golden, but I'm feeling worse about DH atm

You wouldn't want to put just DF on the poll if you thought there was a chance inh could get lynched instead. You wouldn't put just INH on the poll because DF was suspected enough that it would reflect badly on you. So you put then both on. It's not rocket science.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:02 pm Master Strategist DH keeps putting his whole team on the poll instead of literally not doing that

That's what I'm saying yes.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:52 pm You're right Nutella I tanked the mission so that 2 (at minimum) mafia would be on the poll instead of .... not.

Cracked the case. Got 'em.

Well you weren't in danger of being lynched and I think inh sort of was (though DF was more likely). I don't think it's unreasonable to theorize that inh was a safety net.

Such a convincing response that was. You know, I wasn't sure I believed what I was saying but now I think I do.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:37 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:35 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm You didn't choose to out DF on the poll right? We absolutely would have lynched him no matter what lol

I intentionally tanked the mission, putting him on the poll. Gotcha

Ohh right because you wanted to make sure both he and inh were on it. So you actually lessened the probability of his lynch than if you'd won the mission and just put him on it. You wanted in on there as a chance of protecting DF. I remember you saying this and it's pretty damn sketchy tbh.

"You wanted DF on the poll so you could protect him from being lynched so instead of winning the mission and putting INH on the poll you tanked the mission and put you AND Your teammate DF on the poll because you're a dumbass"

Wow u got me

Well of course you wouldn't just put INH on the poll bc everyone suspected DF enough that it would look really bad for you. So you tanked the mission so you had an excuse not to choose. Flawless plan.

Wanted INH* on there

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:32 pm You didn't choose to out DF on the poll right? We absolutely would have lynched him no matter what lol

I intentionally tanked the mission, putting him on the poll. Gotcha

Ohh right because you wanted to make sure both he and inh were on it. So you actually lessened the probability of his lynch than if you'd won the mission and just put him on it. You wanted in on there as a chance of protecting DF. I remember you saying this and it's pretty damn sketchy tbh.

Put*

You didn't choose to out DF on the poll right? We absolutely would have lynched him no matter what lol

Stop being so goddamn sassy it's fucking obnoxious and as I see it not civ behavior, certainly not helpful.

Dude I get it I'm two steps ahead of you here. Respond to my last point.

Ok sure DH but golden has said that if he were bad he would put his teammates on the poll. How do I know you didn't control the crew stuff as a scheme to keep your credit and ride out to the end

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 4:04 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:59 pm As far as I'm concerned Nutella is supatowning. I think she's channeling the ghost of Nova or something

"Lul yeh keep looking over there nutella ignore me I'm def not bad u get em girl lul"

So now you think TH is bad and I'm town ok

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:53 pm To prove how civ they are and how much they're not a cult of a ship Yun Qui has elected to baselessly lynch me because I won't drink the kool aid. mhm makes sense.

You have yet to defend yourself at all you're just spewing this "mhm look how bad nutella is" crap. Other than claiming to be responsible for baddie lynches which you have not backed up at all.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:33 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:29 pm hmmm publicly claim to buy the nk protect then kill a guy on the other crew hmmm hmhmhmhmhmhmmhmmmmmmm

The mafia don't even know whether I actually activated the protection last night. I claimed that I did but maybe I didn't.

Girl what the hell stfu

Now they'll shoot the bonnie mac again

Maybe so. Anyway I've learned from this that I should shut my mouth and that DH and/or epi are likely to be bad.

The alternative is that Golden killed speed to make me look bad. And/or to make me suspect him less since he seemed to think my suspicion of him was so tied to speed being his teammate.

Or both, if golden is bad with DH or epi and the confluence was convenient for them.

DH or epi could also be bad with ddl though if I'm wrong about golden. I'm not sure what I think yet but I'm feeling [VOTE: dharmahelper] aubergine at least until I look more into Epi.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 3:29 pm hmmm publicly claim to buy the nk protect then kill a guy on the other crew hmmm hmhmhmhmhmhmmhmmmmmmm

The mafia don't even know whether I actually activated the protection last night. I claimed that I did but maybe I didn't.

Juliets and I discussed whether we should use it and she and I think also TH agreed that it was a good idea. I don't remember if DH or Epi were around for that exchabge.

It was me that bought it.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 2:56 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:24 pm Golden, if you are not bad then the baddies are out of DH, Epi, and DDL. That's it. Those are your choices. Assume you know that TH and I are town (and juliets). Who's it gonna be

If that was the parameters right now I’d pick DH.

But I don’t think any of us have examined epi enough tbh. It’s a blind spot.

I can agree with that. DDL just posted some analysis, I'll reread that and maybe take a look into Epi's iso on my own if I find the time on break this afternoon.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:09 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:05 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 1:02 pm It could be a civ or it could be a baddie. Keeping such an item away from the civ faction is a great reason for mafia to spend their money. I mean what else will they spend it on?

If I were them I'd just spend it on things that gave me points appropriate to the missions so I didn't have to be on the lynch poll.

Ensuring your night kill works >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keeping a mostly random group of players away from the lynch poll.

Yeah, fair. I happen to know that a civ bought the item but you have a point. We also discussed the role check item a bit and I thought that mafia might buy it in order to deprive us of info.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:47 pm I'm reading DH, INH, TH and juliets as civs so the point is that I'm running out of options.

And besides today made me want to tear apart this Yun Qui happy family because I've decided it's a serious threat to the civilian faction. We lost Speedchuck last night because the civs among you thought it was a good idea to announce out loud that you were the ones who bought an item that protected everyone but the Bonnie Mac. Because some of you are bad, and the rest are locked in that toxic tribe mentality I talked about early.

Ok maybe that was a mistake. I definitely don't trust DH anymore after his behavior last night and especially today so I probably shouldn't have let that happen in front of him. Sorry. Why do you still trust him tho

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:38 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:33 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:24 pm Golden, if you are not bad then the baddies are out of DH, Epi, and DDL. That's it. Those are your choices. Assume you know that TH and I are town (and juliets). Who's it gonna be

"Assume me and my baddie partner are civ pls lynch everyone else pls we're dyin' out here"

Why do you think TH and I are baddie partners? Seriously examine that if you are town, but I increasingly don't think you are because of course the mafia are just soaking up this bullshit and reveling in it.

"I think ur bad cuz you think I'm bad lul"

I mean basically. Because at this stage of the game that is actually kind of how it works. The mafia are desperate to mislynch and I'm an easy scapegoat. If you're town please fucking think about this for five minutes.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:28 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:24 pm Golden, if you are not bad then the baddies are out of DH, Epi, and DDL. That's it. Those are your choices. Assume you know that TH and I are town (and juliets). Who's it gonna be

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Explain

I just did. Big post above. Same page. Consider reading.

I read it. Mostly Enrique interaction stuff that I can't really defend because yeah I flip flopped on him a bit and he said some stuff about me that I had no control over.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:31 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:24 pm Golden, if you are not bad then the baddies are out of DH, Epi, and DDL. That's it. Those are your choices. Assume you know that TH and I are town (and juliets). Who's it gonna be

"Assume me and my baddie partner are civ pls lynch everyone else pls we're dyin' out here"

Why do you think TH and I are baddie partners? Seriously examine that if you are town, but I increasingly don't think you are because of course the mafia are just soaking up this bullshit and reveling in it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:27 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:24 pm Golden, if you are not bad then the baddies are out of DH, Epi, and DDL. That's it. Those are your choices. Assume you know that TH and I are town (and juliets). Who's it gonna be

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Explain

Oh I forgot inh. I think he's town but he's in the pool too.

Golden, if you are not bad then the baddies are out of DH, Epi, and DDL. That's it. Those are your choices. Assume you know that TH and I are town (and juliets). Who's it gonna be

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:12 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 12:11 pm Or potentially Epi but I don't think so.

Mhmhmhmhmhm potentially.

Tbh I can't really remember/quantify why I think epi is town so I should more seriously consider that potential.

What are you doing in these posts though

Or potentially Epi but I don't think so.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 11:04 am If there is a single baddie in the yun qui and the buyer of that item announced when they bought it, all mafia had to do was plan in BTSC to kill someone fron the Bonnie Mac.

Then I guess DH is bad. I have other thoughts on why speed may have been killed though even if the mafia didn't know we had the protection.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 10:59 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:29 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:06 pm And ok nutella how would a team of DDL and I, or just one of us, know you got the crew protection item?

You'd know it was gone from the shop yeah? Or if someone from your crew tried to get it and missed their chance you'd know someone from the yun qui got it

We don't know anything, because we don't announce out loud when we get such an item. That's moronic.

I did announce I might try to get one of the $650 items, but didn't say which one.

Yeah it would be moronic cause all the baddies are on your crew lol.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:40 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:33 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 9:41 pm Anyway I could be wrong about you, though you keep insisting that I'm not considering that possibility, believe me I am and I have considered being wrong about TH as well but I feel like I have enough evidence that he is town and from my perspective of the game so far occam's razor tells me TH is town and you are bad.

Why does Occam’s razor force one of us to be bad? Why does your read of me hinge on TH?

Can you please answer this one too.

Alright that's me done for now.

It doesn't? What? I did not at all imply that the two things are linked.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:39 am Replies in green

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 10:10 pm Skipping through your ISO a bit and pulling things that stand out.

Golden wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:57 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:56 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:49 pm Can someone who is generally regarded as likely to be a civ give me the general thread consensus on who bad here? I stopped paying attention after you savages lynched me while I was watching preseason football.

If you ignore scum!Golden, I'm the towniest of Townies around. There is no general consensus, but I'll let you in on a secret: Golden and DDL are bad, but they aren't on the poll unfortunately.

Dude with no experience of me thinks I’m activelu defending and protecting my baddie teammate.

Yeah no.

There was this whole thing. Maybe I should believe that you weren't actively defending a teammate, but wifom and all that, and this really just reads like a fake/forced statement.

Why does it read fake/forced to you? I get suspected for the fact I talk about my own meta all the time, but I feel like you would be aware of this. Are you not? Or are you saying this feels different to my other meta claims?

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Aug 18, 2018 7:26 pm Put it this way Enrique. If I’m right about TH, I think you’re town. If I’m wrong about TH, I think you could be bad. I can see both worlds.

WTF is up with this? Looks like you thought one of TH and Enrique was bad and not both. Since Enri flipped bad you have still been in hot pursuit of TH. I don't get it. What was the point of this post, why did you think this and why did it not hold?

I think it probably does hold. It's possible I just don't understand TH or his game at all. But I'm not suddenly going to ignore him either.

Ok these replies are pretty empty. Maybe you haven't been going as super hard against TH since then as you had been, but you certainly gave no indication until now that you might decide he's town.

And idk maybe it does feel different to your other meta claims, I'm not one to go read other games unless I have the extra time which I don't rn. I'm not interested in this argument though. If you are actually town here maybe I should remember it for future games but this is the most confident I have ever been that you are bad so I am going to follow my gut. Sure I can't afford to be wrong. I don't think I'm wrong.

Golden wrote: ↑Mon Aug 27, 2018 6:35 am

Golden wrote: ↑Sun Aug 26, 2018 8:07 pm And now that you’ve mentioned your crew had it - was that public information? Or did you buy it and just reveal that now?

No one has answered this yet...

The whole yun qui knows we got it. And since it's gone I figured you guys would know that too, but apparently you guys don't tell each other when you get items. Since we all trust each other (except DH lol) we discussed which items we were thinking of getting amongst ourselves, so I guessed you'd do the same but I guess not

k responding point by point without quotes bc fuck that


re: "the TH is town train" lol buddy I am the TH is town train


re: exchange with DH, I legitimately misunderstood what he was trying to say and rereading it now I still don't get it.


re: speed, the two posts you quote about his thoughts on INH are from different times and responding to different things. the "fake case" was in between the two.


as for the captaincy stuff, I did suggest at one point you could put yourself on the poll a la TH. But I also started to disagree with putting TH on the poll shortly after that exchange. I know that I have sounded hypocritical about the crews but for much of the game I have legitimately been so confident that the yun qui was all civs and that has so far been true.

goes along with the next post you call a "pretzel" -- I realized how that sounded at the time but I honestly believed it. I really think that we just got lucky. I didn't townread people on the yun qui because they were on the yun qui, I just townread them.

My suspicion of you was not linked to speed nearly as much as you paint it to be. I theorized a couple times that you could be teammates but I suspected you both for enough separate reasons that his death doesn't diminish my suspicion of you (though if you thought it would maybe that's why you killed him? ) In fact it technically makes you more likely bad because there are fewer players remaining lol

on DF: The way and time that he came in to vote Sokoth was sketchy as hell, as were most of the other times he came in to post/vote, lol. I was not alone in thinking he most likely bussed sokoth (I think DH said it first and I agreed).

I don't remember if I ever looked into the TH thing, sorry. But my evidence that he is town is quite strong and I will elaborate more if he is in danger of being lynched.

I was not the 5th vote on Sokoth, I was the 3rd. Not sure where you got that. I remember distinctly when I voted Sokoth that TH and Nova were on him and I was the 3rd.

The points about Enrique, sure you can paint that as teammate-looking but were all my genuine thoughts at the time. I went back and forth on him a few times, he's hard to read. Don't understand your "setting up mislynches" point in my reply to Mac.

And of course I engage in shitposting with him. He's been one of my best internet friends for like 10 years.

Main points. You are just objectively wrong about the Sokoth vote. I was the 3rd vote and I'm pretty sure mine is what turned the lynch around to him. Read it again. I wasn't sure about DF when we had several other promising suspects, but it became increasingly clear that he was obv bad. I wasn't sure on Enrique, I flip flopped a lot and was relieved he flipped bad.

You don't have me redhanded because I'm not bad. You can read into interactions as if they are teammate interactions but they are not. I am always uncertain as a townie and you damn well know that. Just because I didn't champion all the baddie lynches doesn't mean I'm their teammate. And yes, you can't afford to be wrong. But if you're mafia you can afford to champion a mislynch.

Posting now bc have to leave for work, not caught up post- golden's iso