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by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Quin wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:37 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Quin wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:32 pm holy shit dom and iaafr are masons
is that was he was saying

what??

are there two sets of masons

I'm so goddamn lost lmao
honestly i haven't got a clue it was just the first thing to pop into my head and i don't have a very good brain to mouth filter
gotcha, real
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Dickbutt

Dom wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:36 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 pm
Dom wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:32 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:27 pm Can iaafr be scum here?
*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.
what is this? :confused:
You haven't spent the better part of the game trying to make any sense of this. I have.
of what? quin vs iaafr? can you help me out a lil
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:33 pm i only know my own alignment in this game
Lol but you said you were scum. Lynch all liars :meany:
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:36 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Quin wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:32 pm holy shit dom and iaafr are masons
is that was he was saying

what??

are there two sets of masons

I'm so goddamn lost lmao
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:35 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Dickbutt

Dom wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:32 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:27 pm Can iaafr be scum here?
*deep breath*
This is a can of worms that I do not know if you all are ready to handle.

If you're wondering why I seem jaded-- maybe this would be it.
what is this? :confused:
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:28 pm yes im scum vote me out
:shrug:
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:33 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:25 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:24 pm Nutella never claimed mason, that's silly.
Someone (thought it was Nutella) loudly doubted the “Eva is a mason” theory.
I loudly doubted it, but not for that reason lol.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:19 pm like read spinys iso theres no way nutellas the mason over eva
Lmao I suspected spiny. I contributed to boo's mislynch. I have no idea where jack got that from
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:31 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Dom wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:19 pm nutella-- let's focus on something more productive.

is pawn bad or nah
I think he could be in a crazy powerwolf scenario, but at the moment I think he's more likely town? idk really
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:30 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:18 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:17 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:08 pm isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role
Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.
then nutellas scum

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine
he's talking out his ass or he misinterpreted something. I never did any such thing.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

I did no such thing.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:17 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:08 pm isnt eva fucking spewed from spinys flip how is this even up for discussion jesus christ

istn this the main thread

havent people read spiny for spew and seen that spiny toptowned eva for no goddamn reason so shes the peek from her flipped role
Nutella implied she was the mason in a non cheaty way.
no??
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:13 pm For the record, this convinced me I was possibly backwards on Radishes and Eva.
Spoiler: show
Master Radishes wrote: Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:43 pm This was my case from Limbo:
Spoiler: show
The case against Evenstar

Her tone felt wrong:
--The vast majority of her posts from D2 were very small contributions, very much lacking in scumhunting, and mainly a stream-of-consciousness tone full of ‘…’s and ‘?’s and ‘what if’s. (And adverbs.) For example, her biggest post of D2 was a stream-of-consciousness ‘what if’ rant about the mechanics of the strange new game state and its restrictions. That itself is fine, if it goes anywhere, but her tone was mongering uncertainty, rather than being focused on actually figuring it out. She throws out thoughts about 8 scum in the thread, or no scum, etc – unlikely scenarios that don’t add to mechanics-solving.

--Along the same vein, at other points of the round she speculated on a triple scumwagon on D1 (Epi/112/Drago), entertained notions about what the phrase ‘up a level’ means, suggested forming in-game hydras…things that don’t contribute to discussion. They’re distractions.

--For someone who is known for an in-your-face style and who self-describes her style as pressuring until scum are revealed, she did remarkably little of that. Who did she pressure lately? Pawn? That lasted less than a page and she backed down quickly. In D1 she was a bulldog, but by D2 she was a puppy.


As for her actual content:
--She started D2 going after Pawn although quickly backed off that. She said Pawn ‘gave me bad info at dayend’ about Mac ‘crusading’ the Epi wagon. Pawn basically reaffirmed he believed what he said and Eva…just backed off. And she TRed Pawn the rest of the round. Then, in D3, Jack and I began discussing Pawn very lightly as a read (Jack refused to really discuss anything) and Eva comes in and rips him apart. Pawn responds and Eva…backs off. Like, very easily. Just a ‘okay, that puts my mind at ease, thanks’ sort of reaction (that’s not an actual quote – I didn’t note it down). The fangs retracted very quickly.

--Most of her posts that actually focused on pressuring potential scum in D2 were focused on Jack. And yet Jack only once appeared in her ‘bottom 3’ lists that day, and there was no real push to lynch him at any point. She also never really outright cased him, just said he ‘deserves pressure’ and picks up on a few minor inconsistencies.

--Her reads remained fairly static in D2, with only a couple exceptions. Aside from briefly SRing Pawn, and switching her read on 112 halfway through (which in turn reversed her read of Epi), the most she changed her reads was at the end when she started proposing low posters like Dom and Colin as lynch targets, after ignoring them as she had done up to that point. She kept Nova in her bottom 3, SRed me consistently (but without any real explanation beyond OMGUS), shaded Jack (but rarely openly stateed an SR of him), and avoided serious comment on most others. It really looked like she was playing to slip by unnoticed.

--As we approached the end of D2, Sprit became a last minute choice amongst several of us. Eva began to softly defend Sprit. She even said she hopes to ‘nail’ me if Sprit flipped green. I’m not sure I’ve ever seen someone say that sort of thing and flip green themselves. Also, Sprit was in the same ‘content range’ category as Nova, Dom, and Colin, who she continued to SR.

--She spent a fair chunk of time in the middle of D2 complaining about the lack of voting ability. She said it hinders her style of game (this is fair) and tells me at one point she intends to change that. She then…doesn’t. Like, even into D3, I don’t remember anything notable she did except her Pawn push.

--D3 she’s very blendy, IMO. I actually don’t remember much of what she did. Probably should’ve written some of it down.


Not to mention:
--Her vote in D1 tied Drago with 112 at 8-8 with 3 mins left. We were that close to not lynching a wolf due to her vote. (And, of course, others.)

--The Nook and Pawn (that’s still my assumption) kill choices fit her. They’re players she’s familiar with and will worry could read her correctly.

--Her entrance to this round was…interesting. She votes Sprityo immediately but gives some blah blah about me being the ‘correct lynch’ but she’s assuming she’s wrong. It's illogical. It also feels way too much like she knew *I’m* the one she needs to convince, since I’ve SRed both her and Sprit fairly heavily. She didn't start pressuring me this round until I made it clear I was leaning towards her.

--Her reasoning for me being potential scum has been full of misrememberings (I’ll avoid saying ‘lies’ since she may genuinely misremember.)
Added to that from our Limbo phase, she:
--constantly created narratives about what my intentions were ('you did x to justify y, and then you hastily backtracked...')
--insisted I was lying about trivial matters like whether Jack was SRing me (reminded me of 'BULLSHIT YOU'RE THE VOYEUR' and I even posted that at one point)
--seriously gave me the 'yes, and that's very convenient...' retaliation upon me not being around for certain events because of my timezone
--spent most of the time speculating on every possible combo of scum under the sun, literally hundreds of words that went nowhere and acheived nothing but make her look like she was thinking hard
--followed me immediately when I exaggerated my read on sprit (I wanted to see her reaction when I pretended to back off her and consider sprit; she took the bait and went for 'hmm, yes, and did you also notice that...' type posts)
--didn't stick to her sprit read and try to convince me, but instead switched to me right at :00 once sprit voted me


I'm sure there's more, but yeah.

And these posts all made Eva look bad.


*gestures to entire page 5 of her iso*

Image
Ok
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:25 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:12 pm another person i isoed was spiny which is why i know for a fact eva is mechanically clear and apparent it still isnt consensus that this is the case????? what are people even doing
I don't think because they were townreading each other means they were 100% the masons. I put forth the possibility that Texas was the mason and was janitored
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:23 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:11 pm what dont you follow

i read tsp w

i isoed multiple players n1

one of the people i isoed was quin

i saw that he had a pretty fiery push on TSP that was likely unaligned

so i tentativey cleared quin d2 assuming TSP was scum

i have just now seen the TSP flip

now i dont think quin looks good for it and his push on TSP mightve been on the town lowhanging fruit of d1
uhhhh ok [mention]Quin[/mention] explain why you think he knew tony flipped town?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:04 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:03 pm
Quin wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm okay but like i wanted to lynch iaafr first so it's technically not a NO U right? #gotem

in which iaafr had TMI that TSP was dead and town and planned on Day 2 to use that to drive a lynch against me

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine
lol I'm so lost
either quins scum or he's not scum

i'm defintiely not scum but on the other hand i am scum

hope this helps
........
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:09 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:59 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 pm
iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:50 pm uh tsp flipping villa kinda makes me wanna kill quin

alright that's enough effort for one day

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

done
...huh?
i sussed em both d1 and n1 i reread some isos and saw an interaction with quin pushing tsp in a not w/w way

i was reading tsp w at the time so i cleared quin off that but in the first layer where quin showed up he quoted me calling the not w/w thing and just said interesting and nothing else

maybe right now hes thinking that was me telegraphing a ml

or hes scum and trying to represent that thats what he thinks

idk lol
I don't really follow what you're saying here but when quin first joined us he said he thought you had TMI about stuff in the other threads and now he's specifying that it was the Tony kill/flip he thought you had TMI about. What do you have to say about that?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:08 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Quin wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 pm and yes i am implying something in that post
If you mean what I think you mean we should just lynch eva lol but probably also iaafr if you're right
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Quin wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm okay but like i wanted to lynch iaafr first so it's technically not a NO U right? #gotem

in which iaafr had TMI that TSP was dead and town and planned on Day 2 to use that to drive a lynch against me

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine
lol I'm so lost
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:00 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:53 pm
Most call her Eva though right?
I searched both
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:58 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

iaafr wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:50 pm uh tsp flipping villa kinda makes me wanna kill quin

alright that's enough effort for one day

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

done
...huh?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:57 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Okay, I read your posts and I still don't know what your reasoning is for voting Eva other than "we should lynch within the F3"

Pls explain
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:54 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 1]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:27 am
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:27 pm
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:22 pm
112 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:22 pm kk mac wanna roll together like in wc1?
Yes.
aight. we doing it.
Why are you not scum reading Evenstar who is basically the same Evenstar from wc1?
God, I wouldn’t expect any Eva to come close to WC1 Eva even if she tried. She fucking went off on conspiracy theories and switched personalities mid game.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Mon Oct 28, 2019 10:29 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:28 pm Since Mac apparently refuses to read my earlier posts, here's the case all laid out in one place for easy reference:
1: Defends Jack for no apparent reason really early, feels the need to go digging for a game to back him up. Answers his own leading question in the process. Jack/Mac W/W?
2: No energy/fire, tone badly off. Letting two scumreads get under his skin when he's usually more resilient than that.
3: Severe lack of game content, directly stating his intent to not produce more until people start townreading him. This is not town behavior.
4: Didn't vote me until I directly fucking challenged him to. Tried to get Nanook to vote me first. No balls.
5: Just in general gives the impression he's scared to be lynched. Mac in WC1 deliberately looked scummy D1, and he was still townier than this.
Rut roh, Raggy.

Good lord I know I'm confbiasing all over the place but this is a gold mine.

Eva/Jack/Drago just openwolfed with each other all of Day 1. It's really incredible.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:53 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:49 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 am
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 am I don't vote on command.
The joke is you can’t vote me anyway cause it’s D0.
Mindmeld with Jack here, though I'm surprised he didn't find it scummy that the obvious joke was treated as an attack.
I didn’t feel like it was.

Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:49 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:33 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 am
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 2:02 am I don't vote on command.
The joke is you can’t vote me anyway cause it’s D0.
Mindmeld with Jack here, though I'm surprised he didn't find it scummy that the obvious joke was treated as an attack.
No it wasn't.


...holy shit what happened here
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Hypnagogic Phase]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:02 am
Evenstar wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:57 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:53 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:41 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:10 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:58 pm

Eeeeeeeeeva!

Welcome to our site!
Hey hi hello!

...who are you?
:sigh:
No seriously I feel like we've met somewhere
I was the voice of “Evenstar is scum” during your WC match and stupidly made a bet with you about who your teammates would kill and who they would send to lylo.
Oh, you're my disciple! Right, yeah, ok.~ Sorry!
Lol yeah.

^ Teammate interaction

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:57 am
Dragomir wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:39 am
Evenstar wrote: Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:00 am
Dragomir wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:55 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:50 pm
Dragomir wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:46 pm

Would it be crass for me to volunteer?
Dunno why you're asking me instead of her. I don't wanna sleep with you.
Aw, what a shame.
Oh shit, I just realized that you're a girl. We can hit the bed anytime then :slick:
Does that line generally work for you?
Everything works for me baby girl. Everything.
Drago’s like 14, right?

^Teammate interaction




I searched your iso for the keyword evenstar and I'm having a helluva time. :beer:
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:49 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

[mention]iaafr[/mention] vote eva, or elephant, or jack, or tl. I still lean to preferring eva for reasons stated here:
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:11 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:04 pm
juliets wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:03 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:00 pm Can everybody just do Colin a big ol' favor and like ... one-line summarize your current vote for me. I'll love you 5ever.
Colin, I'm not sure I understand - you don't have any votes.
Sorry, I mean to say: can everyone explain why they're voting the way they are?
I'm voting for Eva because she was one of the "final three" in a level so it makes sense to lynch within those three, and based on radish's and sprityo's descriptions her actions in that level sounded scum-motivated, and radish had lots of other good points on her from previous phases, and the NKs have thus far been mostly players that she would be afraid of reading her correctly, and her interactions with drago don't preclude them being w/w in my opinion, and her thread content in general hs been opportunistic at best and agenda-y/controlling at worst, and I think she may have taken advantage of the janitored kill, and.... ok I'll stop there.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:47 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:47 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:38 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:32 pm Don't try to throw Epi's play back in his face. That's not a good look.
Hopeless. Honestly.
I don't think you can convince me Epi is scum at this stage lol. Try somewhere else.
I’m voting Eva.
Okay.

Why?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:47 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:45 pm
You don’t like when I’m missing. You don’t like when I tell jokes. You don’t like when I can easily townread you. You don’t like when I try to bait votes.

What exactly do you want me to do here?
Uh. Find scum??
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:45 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:38 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:32 pm Don't try to throw Epi's play back in his face. That's not a good look.
Hopeless. Honestly.
I don't think you can convince me Epi is scum at this stage lol. Try somewhere else.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:44 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Dom wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:37 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:23 pm Dom fwiw I've been more or less convinced that Pawn was likely NKed so probably town -- caveat there is that by then the scum know NKs weren't actually dying in that level so maybe they deliberately targeted one of their own to throw us off.
why do you think he was night killed?
He has explained that he and Colin were the two to get kicked out of some level, and it made no sense for Colin to be the NK since he was a low poster and so the assumption was Colin was the lynch and Pawn was the NK.

However now that I've thought of that caveat I'm pondering Eva/Pawn powerwolf tinfoil again.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:36 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:12 pm LC and Epi both jumped btw.
what?
Image
I don't get it. What are you talking about when you say LC and Epi both jumped?
When I voted you, both of them jumped on me.
And because you baited their votes you expect me to worship you now rather than just assume that they are right?
No, I expect you to take note of it and keep it in mind later when we don’t have obvious suspects.

I don’t care if you scumread me. I’m never lynched, much less today.

I care if you think I’m so bad as a wolf that I’d put a naked vote on a townread as a save attempt.
I don't care if you were trying to trap Epi or whatever. I don't think that's the sole reason he voted for you. I think you're just a wolf here and your bizarre gambits don't make you look any better.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:32 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Don't try to throw Epi's play back in his face. That's not a good look.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:31 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Views: 226502

Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:26 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:25 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:12 pm LC and Epi both jumped btw.
what?
Image
I don't get it. What are you talking about when you say LC and Epi both jumped?
When I voted you, both of them jumped on me.
And because you baited their votes you expect me to worship you now rather than just assume that they are right?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:25 pm
Forum: Inception: Adrift in Limbo
Topic: Inception [END]
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:22 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:12 pm LC and Epi both jumped btw.
what?
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I don't get it. What are you talking about when you say LC and Epi both jumped?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:23 pm
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Dom fwiw I've been more or less convinced that Pawn was likely NKed so probably town -- caveat there is that by then the scum know NKs weren't actually dying in that level so maybe they deliberately targeted one of their own to throw us off.
by nutella
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:12 pm LC and Epi both jumped btw.
what?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:04 pm
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Evenstar wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:45 pm @Evenstar, walk me through why your vote didn't end up on Dragomir after you had a "double-barreled FoS" on him.
It did. Then I had a crisi of faith because I thought I was just voting him for being a creep. :shrug2:
lol ok
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 pm
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Or TL I guess. Whatever
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 pm
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Epignosis wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:00 pm Dom, nutella:

Give Evenstar another Day. Find someone else. There isn't just two mafia members. And I don't think it's her right now. Revisit Day 6 if you must.

I think Evenstar is a dumb lynch.
Jack or Elephant?
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:02 pm
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:58 pm Nutella has no respect for my play at all and freaking Dom is telling me I need more content. :disappoint:
Lol what.

Respect for your play?

When your "play" has been mostly buddying me and not really doing anything productive, and overall less content than I usually see from town jack.

What is there to respect or disrespect?

I want to see you play at all lol.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:27 pm
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Seriously though. If you guys would rather lynch jack than eva I'm game
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:22 pm
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Hey no that was good Epi, you baited Jack onto the wagon and he is now confirmed scum lol
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:22 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Epignosis wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:21 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:08 pm Again, can't we do this the old fashioned way?

Who is Dragomir's teammate?

Going about it any other way is an invitation to dickery.
nutella ISN'T Dragomir's teammate. Because she was one of the main, and earlier, proponents of his lynch.
I'm sorry you construed my vote as such.

I only voted nutella because she's a goober. :goofp:
valid
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Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:21 pm
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Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:20 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:18 pm Epi and Jack were townreading me but have jumped on my wagon with little to no explanation. Trying to save Eva??
Epi-Eva w-w? Difficult to swallow. Much theatrics.
yeah. Jack hopping on after Epi did is ultra sus though.
by nutella
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Dom wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:19 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:18 pm Epi and Jack were townreading me but have jumped on my wagon with little to no explanation. Trying to save Eva??
I don't know about Jack, but nah, not Epi.
I am more concerned about Jack.

Still don't know why Epi voted for me though.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:18 pm
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Epi and Jack were townreading me but have jumped on my wagon with little to no explanation. Trying to save Eva??
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:14 pm
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Besides, interaction analyses in isolation can be misleading. People interact in unpredictable ways sometimes, and while analyzing a dead wolf's interactions is a great tool it's not foolproof and works best when supplemented with other context and other reasons to view someone as scum.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:12 pm
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Look, on the one hand I agree that analyzing the one dead wolf's interactions is important, but on the other hand I do think there are other data points we can use by now. We have had numerous other flips by now, mislynches, NKs, lots of interaction between players. Yes, it's worth defending the point that a suspect is teammate-compatible with Dragomir, but it's completely reasonable to derive those suspicions from the numerous other data points we have at our disposal.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:06 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Epignosis wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:02 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:39 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:22 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:06 pm Nobody on the final three got lynched. There was no lynch. Nobody died. Nothing game-related happened. It was inconsequential. Why are people acting like there has to be a mafia member among those three? What logical reason (not "It had to be this way or it sucked") do you have to think it was important and that mafia was represented there?
People kept saying that the mafia could gain some advantage by "lynching" a townie there. I'm sure it had some bearing on the game that relied on one of the three being mafia. Wouldn't make sense for it to have happened at all if not. Except just to fuck with our heads.
Is there any evidence behind this besides "people kept saying?"

Again- let me stress this point- nobody got lynched down there. Nobody. So even if what people kept saying is true, nobody got an advantage.

Or- alternatively if you want to assume a civilian who got the most votes gave the mafia an advantage for the sake of argument- three civilians made it down there, which means the mafia had zero chance at getting the advantage.

Can't we just do this shit the old fashioned way?

Who is Dragomir's teammate and why?
I'm pretty tired of your pedantry regarding the use of terms like "lynch" here. You know full well how people are using that term in the context of this game and the layers. I genuinely don't understand why you would assume all three of them were civilians. If you want to invoke Occam's razor again, one of the three is scum. Please explain why you think the "F3" scenario would have happened and what would have been at stake if all three of them were town.

Do you think it was just randomized from who was left in the previous level, and that it only occurred in order to bring everyone back here the next round? Do you think that if it had gone differently we would still be split up? I honestly have no idea and confuse myself more the longer I think about this. Help me out here.
No. That's not Occam's Razor. That's the opposite of Occam's Razor. That's making up shit.

I am not assuming all three of them are civilians. I am challenging the assumption that there is mafia among them. That's a dangerous and frankly dumb assumption.

If you do not have evidence to demonstrate the claim that one of the three is bad, then you're making shit up.

Personally, I think the entire split phases were bullshit, and I refuse to put any stock into them beyond what people said about one another. Mechanically, it means nothing to me. As far as I'm concerned, I have a job to do: Find mafia and lynch they asses.
I only know what they have told us in the thread, and from what I've learned it sounds likely to me that one of them is mafia. It's possible I'm misinterpreting something.

I don't think you should ignore the mechanics of the game. Maybe it's all random, but it's part of how the game has gone down and you can't deny that it has affected player interactions and most likely role use. It's information, however opaque, that is at our disposal and I do not think you should pretend this is a normal mafia game.
by nutella
Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:04 pm
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Re: Inception [Subconscious Phase 5]

Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:00 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:59 pm
Long Con wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:54 pm
nutella wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:17 pm I would be fairly happy with an Elephant vote as well, because he instigated and perpetuated the vanity focus and I have some reason to believe he has been controlling in some other ways, potentially including pocketing juliets and taking advantage of her not only in order to make himself look good but in order to benefit the scum team in the long term.


I think TL may well be scum and would be the relatively "safe" poe shot based on GH's article; however I have townread his posts at face value, and his flip will not do much for us in solving other slots. We do need a scum flip and he may be a good bet, but I have reservations there and I think it it's probably a better choice at this point to lynch within the "F3" group and solve from there.
I agree with these thoughts.

What do we know about the F3? What happened down there? What did the host say? Was that Limbo? Epi is confident that the lynches weren't lynches, is that a legit idea? If they weren't lynches, what were they?

I know that went beyond a response to your post.
The lynches in other levels have been "kicks" up to higher levels. If the F3/"Limbo" was the catalyst for everyone coming back together here, perhaps that didn't happen the same way, but I think the popular speculation is that it still mattered whether town or scum was lynched. Either for some kind of "advantage" or something relating to the layers reuniting. Idk.


@Evenstar @Master Radishes @sprityo was there some kind of special wording in the host post at the beginning of the F3 phase? Or was it just a standard "players currently in this location are:" announcement?
MAYBE... the winners of the lower-level lynches got more ROLE POINTS to use! That would explain.... role points. :nicenod:
..... :ponder:

Would never have thought of that lol. I assumed there was some other mechanic for getting role points, since if this were true it would greatly disadvantage the people who stayed behind in our level. But idk. I thought maybe they were just on a "cooldown"/recharge time after some number of phases or something.

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