The Syndicate

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:10 pm esooa's nature of townreading mac came to me a lot more fake and agenda'd than nutella's

i stared at both of their mac progressions for awhile overnight

the way the esooa wagon built up yesterday and the way naa pushed it make me want to look at both of them today

i'm fine with claiming if ppl want me to

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:09 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 9:07 pm i also said i was fine with mac going over, and iirc was one of the first to call him wolfy d1

You were also one of the first to change that to a townread. Also, saying you're fine with them going down in the lightest manner possible but not doing anything to achieve that end doesn't grant town points.

okay

thats fine

what's not fine is you not acknowledging the several other reasons i should have townpoints that multiple players have pointed out to you and you have entirely ignored

i clearly didnt have tmi on jay as dizzy pointed out, i've been posting out of my wolfrange all game, have had tinfoils jump around when as a wolf i would be more consistently pushing the same views

like it's crossed my mind that marmot or spf could have been going for a hard hellbus on mac there but meh, lets trust them for now i think

also you guys know marmot chose the tiebreak right? so lets just like, sheep him

i also said i was fine with mac going over, and iirc was one of the first to call him wolfy d1

i mean yes i object but my vote record officially sucks now so i should accept there's gonna be pressure on me today, at this point my worldview is probably just out of whack and i should let other people take the lead

but leetic feel free to take a look at some of my meta, it should be clear to you that i simply didnt have tmi or i wouldnt push the cws to mafia twice that hard. i'd probably bus at least one of them

lolme @ anne being the cw to mafia twice now

not really sure where i want to go today

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:57 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine

Never mind, he would probably kill Nanook because that's the one guy that scares Mac most as scum imo

valid I hope

if we lose two town numbers imma be upset but glgl

let it rand
- some famous philosopher, probably

man idfk

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:32 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:31 am i might miss part of the last half hour, can hopefully pop in at least once or twice more but ultimately im fine with any of anne/mac/naa going over ig

Hedging

Like A shut the goddamn fuck up and B I clearly prefer anne

i might miss part of the last half hour, can hopefully pop in at least once or twice more but ultimately im fine with any of anne/mac/naa going over ig

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:23 am I have only one post this eod and I'm just gonna reiterate this worldview

voting me is garbo and cringe

if I'm wrong on one of my 3 wolves the most likely wolf is prob marmot

don't care to say more, voting biggest wagon in my Poe at eod regardless

yeah fair enough i still just want to chop anne today

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:23 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:21 am

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:19 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?

because he's obvious town

Obvious how? I haven't seen anything in their ISO that is particularly clearing

pretty sure i wouldn't be able to explain in a way that makes sense to your rigid frames of reference

hes just real, making keen observations, not playing how he would as wolf

also maybe goes without saying if i confbias that world but, im feeling better about spf atm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:22 am what if iaafr/mac are wolves and mac made that sudden case on iaafr on d1 to distance from him?

lol

possible

i can see a team of anne/iaafr/esooa or anne/iaafr/mac


anyway lets just flip anne today

leetic wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:19 am

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:18 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

Why are you clearing Dyslexicon?

because he's obvious town

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:17 am voting NAA

Thought about JJJ stuff more and I think he'd play more power wolfy

Like people keep washing away the idea that wolf JJJ wouldn't vote their partner but he just seems really team leadery and that'd probably apply as a wolf with his partners

And besides that his thread positioning wasn't great and I don't think with how his posting was that he would really be able to just bus and get town read, I don't think that's the place to bus for JJJ really

And he basically did just vote Anne and peace lol

Also don't really think Alexa has a good Anne read ftr

Post formatted with many spaces bc that's how I wanted to

lmao i hadnt seen this post but its making me tunnel that world even more holy shit

remember when i said iaafr/anne w/w

pepperidge farm remembers

and iaafr/esooa makes sense too

uh oh spec chat brain is engaging

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:15 am The simulation indicates that JJJ is mafia with 3 of these 5 people:

Anne
iaafr
Nutella
Esooa
Dyslexicon

That is the PoE that the JJJ simulator has spit out.

interesting approach lol

fmpov it would be iaafr/anne/esooa which... actually makes a lot of sense in some ways hm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:13 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:12 am

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:10 am Nutella fypov if ur town spf and bunny are ur ccs so one of them has to be mafia to you and rn I’m leaning bunny over spf I don’t think jjj would put 6 town in his towncore considering how much he believes in forming a towncore and yeeting those outside I’m certain he would have tried to spew one of his partners town.

What do you mean, why are spf and bunny ccs to nutella?

Jjj outed a towncore of me lc alexa nutella bunny spf. The first three are town. The next three he barely gave any decent reasons for and I’m sure he tried to sneak Atleast one partner into that list

yeah sure it's probably reasonable to think theres more likely a wolf in spf/iaafr


also could you stop calling him bunny bc ive played with other ppl called bunny and my brain cant process it

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:10 am Nutella fypov if ur town spf and bunny are ur ccs so one of them has to be mafia to you and rn I’m leaning bunny over spf I don’t think jjj would put 6 town in his towncore considering how much he believes in forming a towncore and yeeting those outside I’m certain he would have tried to spew one of his partners town.

.....what?

lmfao this game

lol im rereading the jay posts wilgy quoted and smhing maybe iaafr really is just wolf

dont think we should cfd there today though

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:02 am

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

same, thats why i askjed nutella about him yesterday...somethjing between them two feels off, i dont think its pure like not v/v imo

i mean if i end up in f3 with him i probably vote him bc i have ptsd from him pocketing me last time but i dont think thatll happen (either bc hes town or for that reason exactly if he is actually wolf)

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:01 am ok

how confident are people iaafr is town

ive been tinfoiling him hardcore

lol fuckin hell

as soon as i feel confident in rolling with my towncore for now you stir up these thoughts that yes i have had at a couple points

he does demonstrably know how to pocket me

but nah

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:00 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:35 pm @falcon45ca This shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:12 pm I love the aesthetic similarity between rabbitposts and nutellaposts, as a general concept rather than a reference to this specific game. Swap their avatars and it's convincing.

iaafr is something resembling a green skittle. I don't have strong feelings but he seems okay. nutella is the absence of a skittle. I'm sure she'll do things when she feels like it so play on

And this shit

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:36 am nutella and iaafr tend to look good in their dealings with each other in a way that reminds me of my own dynamic with Sloonei. They speak the same language and in that interaction a purer expression of them seems to emerge. That might not be super clear; it’s dependent upon an abstract connection to a specific player. I’m not sure that is a universal experience for everyone.

Anyway I like their cooperative vibe

Neither of these have anything to do with alignment but Jay felt the need to raise this twice. He also put this in a very positive light. I read this very strictly as a W stapling a teammate to a V for shared credit to both. I don't think a wolf actively preaches cred for two V like this, this is a 50/50.

Agreed

nah thats a meaningless read, jay has prior reference for the unique dynamic iaafr and i have and would make that comment knowing we're both v

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:04 pm When you disagree with the main vote target, you fight it, you don't just quietly acquiesce to it. You not really caring about how anne will go down makes you look really wolfy.

hey for once i agree with leetic on something

final post until the last hour as a follow up thought:

i got bad vibes from marmot d1, then after a lot of people just accepted him as supertown i started to default him to town but i'm going back to thinking that's not really warranted and a lot of his play is performative/fakeable imo. dizzy who i townread and who is known for accurate vibe reads had bad vibes on him today too. and on top of all that, not that i want to weigh mech much, but i do just have a bad feeling about how he's presented the thing about his role having town and mafia conditions included in his role card. i'm curious if anyone else has a role with that kind of stipulation and it feels kinda weird that he wouldn't just receive whichever one he randed instead of an explanation of both -- it really strikes me as something that could actually be there as a safeclaim for mafia and that it just makes more sense if he's mafia and has that information to bolster his claim or like "mafia wouldn't claim it like this" wifom... idk maybe it's far enough in that direction that it's more likely just real, i could be totally off base but it just felt a bit slimey to me. occam's razor he's still town but i'd say he's on the fringes of my poe

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:44 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 10:41 pm uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

Why does it feel lame? I think I know why you're saying that, I just wanna hear your explanation.

Also why are you torn on esooa?

they just feel like the lhf/"easy answer" but sometimes scum teams just really are the "easy answer", i just have the "there's a deepwolf" tingley spidey sense from the threadstate or whatever. on the other hand i'm feeling better about some townreads and hoping we can just straight poe it

esooa i just really dont know how to read and have seen stuff that seems townie and rabbit townreads her but theres also stuff thats pinged me and like her long wall post of reads felt like a lot of words saying ultimately barely anything

ending with a full list
town:
falcon
illeetic
iaafr
lime coke
cassandra
dyslexicon

conflicted:
mac
esooa
marmot
spf

lean wolf:
drwilgy
naa
anne

i feel a little weird tossing wilgy this low again for some reason but i still think the shot wasnt good and hes also tagging onto bad pushes of me without really evaluating on his own

uhh

i dont really have that kind of coherent view of the game atm

like if i have to pick three names i'm tempted to just say anne/naa/wilgy but that feels kinda lame, i think there is likely a spicier wolf in spf or marmot

thinking about it i'm honestly quite comfortable taking cass and lime as town based on some tells and other people's confidence. i'm quite torn on esooa

the calm before the storm...

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:23 pm w/w wagons are more common than ppl think

whats wrong with my response to your claim? i mean i think its weird that you seem to effectively be a tracker but worded in a roundabout way lol, but all i did was confirm my target and that the action failed (well and expressed paranoia that you blocked me)

i feel like youre just making up a reason to vote me lol

leetic's not a hero for being pedantic about details that deliberately miss the nuance of the point entirely and refusing to understand why anyone's perspective goes beind level 1 lol its pretty fucking annoying to play with

i might yeah, i'm p much equally fine with anne/naa chops

i think anne is straight up wolfy on play, i do see some argument for her being town on wagonomics but again her d1 wagon was pretty pure imo and w/w wagons are more common than ppl think so it means little to me when shes the least towny person in the game

i think naa has had some glimmers of townie perspective but i have close to no experience with him and something seems slimy/off about how hes engaged with people, maybe i expect him to be more abrasive as town and maybe thats not fair but he's hard poe and his views of the game are fairly incoherent to me

how does naa have zero voters and anne down to 1 this is maybe getting off track

im gonna [VOTE: anne] aubergine but want it known that i do not think spf should be getting a pass here, i think her response to me above is slightly >rand town in her snappish/indignant tone but i think everything shes posted this game has been in her wolfrange and i really think shes compatible with jay

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 6:00 pm Bruh, can we literally talk about how all of Mac's reads are based on him just reading how others read him?

It's literally just OMGUS from him. That's what he does as mafia.

thats pretty common from town mac too ime?


also lime i think youve been pretty townie but i have some reservations on your reads and i obviously dont agree with you on spf rn. i thought you were trying to cut down on hard shields anyway in case youre wrong

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:41 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:40 pm if roles arent tied to alignments, then why was the mafia presumably informed when mac and falcon became lovers? if the roles are written to be alignment-neutral then it doesnt really make sense to me that a condition of their role would be: "the mafia will find out when you do X", but maybe i shouldnt think about it

flail harder nerd

all i hear is howling

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:42 pm either the setup is broken or theyre bullshitting about the mafia finding out that theyre lovers

i changed my mind again [VOTE: spf] aubergine

like i feel like youre poking holes in the wrong things, i see no reason to believe they'd just make that part up lol (also what marmot said but im also squinting a bit at how he said his role gave the mafia clause if he randed town)


spf remind me what your stance on anne is rn bc i probably want to end on one of you or maybe naa

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:32 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:31 pm dunno why iaafr is voting me now lol we have like most of the same reads except for my spf paranoia really but he cant say anything so

im probably gonna end on anne, i keep getting caught up in thinking mac's claim really sounds like it comes from town pov but i really dont have reason to townread him on play

ive seen a couple of people say that they think mac is towny for his claim, but i dont really understand why. we know that claims arent tied to alignment and i dont think there's anything about his claim that he would be particularly ~unlikely~ to do as mafia. do you mind expanding on that a lil bit?

im more interested in seeing mac genuinely scumhunt, which i do not feel like he has

i think theres some nuances to the way hes talked about it perspective-wise that just feel genuine to me, like for instance about the mafia supposedly finding out and stuff, idk if i can explain tbh but i could just be easily fooled by that kind of thing and hes done nothing else towny so meh. and when he was initially claiming how he waited for falcon to show up but went ahead and used it anyway, i found that pretty sus. whats particularly weird to me is that falcon isnt questioning him at all, maybe because he appears solvey in the neighbor chat but he could be pocketed


tsp mech is a blight on society

dunno why iaafr is voting me now lol we have like most of the same reads except for my spf paranoia really but he cant say anything so

im probably gonna end on anne, i keep getting caught up in thinking mac's claim really sounds like it comes from town pov but i really dont have reason to townread him on play

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:08 pm I see the mafia are voting me

Who are they?

pick one idc

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:13 pm [VOTE: staypositivefriend] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:19 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:11 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 5:08 pm I see the mafia are voting me

Who are they?

pick one idc

So you think that all of the mafia (I'm assuming there's no more than 3 left at this point) are currently lined up as your wagon, and they are specifically ilario/leetic, NAA, and spf, and we chop those 3 and that's game?

No Marmot I don't think that

I do think spf is probably only voting me because she's stuck for candidates though. I have nfi why the other two are.

[VOTE: mac] aubergine

why are you still farting everywhere instead of playing

confirming i attempted to target naa but it failed

@staypositivefriend youre at 211, ftr on mobile you can see it by going to the racket and clicking thread postcount

or anne is lying and blocked me sparkleshrug

tbf i think it's possible anne could get a result of me like attempting targeting someone even though it didn't go through, idk how tsp does things/dont really get how annes role works

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:33 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:08 pm @nutella can you talk me through why u thoufht iaafr had wolf equity to u eod yesterday

it was specifically an association with anne based on how he approached her slot d1, i don't feel it anymore

but what about his approach to her was scummy?

p sure i pulled quotes at the time? just looked teammatey how he defended her/votes were on her cws etc

why does this matter to you now?

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 2:08 pm @nutella can you talk me through why u thoufht iaafr had wolf equity to u eod yesterday

it was specifically an association with anne based on how he approached her slot d1, i don't feel it anymore

anne wrote: ↑Sun Nov 28, 2021 11:51 am but uh... at least we know nutella visited someone guys!!

my action failed though


anyway iaafrs last post was good and I'll probably end voting in his poe rather than on spf bc he seems confident

and im just not gonna engage with leetic at all anymore, they just have no clue how to read me and refuse to reevaluate even when p much everyone else has explained multiple valid reasons to townread me